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Old 05-29-2006, 04:30 AM   #1
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Remember why we fight

...in Iraq and Afganistan.

The Iraq war was never primarily about WMD's.
The Iraq war was never primarily about oil.

The Iraq war is an extension of what will be a multiple decade long war against Islamic extremists/terrorists. An effort to change the face of the middle east and bring mid east countries into the 21st century with democratic governments.
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...in Iraq and Afganistan.

The Iraq war was never primarily about WMD's.
The Iraq war was never primarily about oil.

The Iraq war is an extension of what will be a multiple decade long war against Islamic extremists/terrorists. An effort to change the face of the middle east and bring mid east countries into the 21st century with democratic governments.
Iraq *was* the most secular nation in the middle east...
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Iraq *was* the most secular nation in the middle east...
It is also strategically located...its leader was an avowed enemy of the US...its defiance of the UN and the cease fire agreements ...made itself easy to beat the drums of war against. These things combined caused it to be selected as an extention on the "global war" on "terrorism".
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...in Iraq and Afganistan.

The Iraq war was never primarily about WMD's.
The Iraq war was never primarily about oil.

The Iraq war is an extension of what will be a multiple decade long war against Islamic extremists/terrorists. An effort to change the face of the middle east and bring mid east countries into the 21st century with democratic governments.
You watch to much g'damn TV, sir.
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...in Iraq and Afganistan.

The Iraq war was never primarily about WMD's.

wrong.
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The Iraq war was never primarily about oil.
Wrong! )
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I remember hoping that you had quit the business.
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Old 05-29-2006, 09:24 AM   #18
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I remember hoping that you had quit the business.
Really? I don't remember a single post made by you.
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Everytime I see you post I ask myself the same thing, but I never ask you.

So now I'm going to!

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So how does destroying their infastructure, torturing and executing civilians expand democracy?
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Iraq *was* the most secular nation in the middle east...
Not even close buddy. Ever hear of Israel? Ever hear of Dubai?

Kuwait for that matter...
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Really? I don't remember a single post made by you.
That could be because I don't spend my time being an attention seeking idiot that does nothing but try to encourage hatred like you.
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Not even close buddy. Ever hear of Israel? Ever hear of Dubai?

Kuwait for that matter...



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The absence of strong secular political parties in Egypt, Jordan, and Kuwait .....

http://www.usip.org/pubs/specialreports/sr144.html


really clueless ... how about posting some links to back your claims ( I know, you never do that , you possess the truth ... )
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I gotta agree with you, of one wanted to control the middle east, with every allies they already have there, the US would have to invade Iraq to be strategically placed.
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really clueless ... how about posting some links to back your claims ( I know, you never do that , you possess the truth ... )
Are you saying Kuwait isnt currently more secular than most of the middle east including Iraq?
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Are you saying Kuwait isnt currently more secular than most of the middle east including Iraq?
learn to read ...

I myself didn't read in your post the words MORE or LESS ... You stated that Kuwait was secular. Point. End.

So back it up.
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That could be because I don't spend my time being an attention seeking idiot that does nothing but try to encourage hatred like you.
It seems that you seek attention by posting on this board and by posting in this thread in particular. Hmm...what hatred do I try to encourage? Hatred against what/whom?
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I srsly get tired of you being so fuckin retarded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuwait#Mass_media

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madinat_al-Hareer

Here is an artists rendition of the project Kuwait currently has underway.



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Madinat al-Hareer, meaning City of Silk, is a proposed 250 square kilometer planned urban area in Subiya, Kuwait, an area just opposite Kuwait City which, upon construction, would include the Mubarak al-Kabir Tower, the world's tallest structure, a natural desert reservation of 200 hectares, a duty free area which will be beside a new airport, in addition to a large business center, conference areas, environmental areas, athletic areas, and areas that concentrate on media, health, education, and industry. The city of Silk will also include numerous tourist attractions, hotels, spas, and public gardens. As of this time, it is unclear as to the scope of this project, if it has received any approvals, or if it has the required funding. However, it is estimated that the project will take twenty five years to complete and will cost an estimated 25 billion Kuwaiti Dinars (86.1 billion USD)
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Ya that country is right out of the stone age, so backwards and no secular. You fuckin moron.
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learn to read ...

I myself didn't read in your post the words MORE or LESS ... You stated that Kuwait was secular. Point. End.

So back it up.
See above mental midget.
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...in Iraq and Afganistan.

The Iraq war was never primarily about WMD's.
The Iraq war was never primarily about oil.

The Iraq war is an extension of what will be a multiple decade long war against Islamic extremists/terrorists. An effort to change the face of the middle east and bring mid east countries into the 21st century with democratic governments.

ho ho ho, no presents for you this year, child.
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I thought there was already an attempt at democracy a few years back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mossadegh
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB126/index.htm
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See above mental midget.
Are you in real estate ...

Again, post an article ( not pictures of buildings ) saying that Kuwait is secular ...

You know how many oil rich countries build these lavish extravaganza of money ? Doesn't make Saudi Arabia " secular " ....

Remember, you made that claim, not me...

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Remember Iran is supposedly democratic. Islam is a book of laws. Give Muslims the vote and eventually you have a theocratic state.
Is it possible to impose democracy on a society that is not ready for it? Take a country composed of 3 distinct factions, that was artificially created in the 1st place. Take away all the bureaucratic governing structure and expect the citizens to form a functioning government while in the midst of, for all practical purposes, a civil war is IMHO ludicrous.
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Are you in real estate ...

Again, post an article ( not pictures of buildings ) saying that Kuwait is secular ...

You know how many oil rich countries build these lavish extravaganza of money ? Doesn't make Saudi Arabia " secular " ....

Remember, you made that claim, not me...

Reminder: You REALLY are an idiot
You are amazingly stupid. Read my whole post. Another thing is only 57% of the population are arabs.

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As of the end of 2005, Kuwait had a total population of 2.992 million people which included 1.999 million non-nationals[1]. Kuwaiti citizens are a minority of those who reside in Kuwait. The government only rarely grants citizenship to non-citizens (who are generally referred to as expatriates). About 57% of the Kuwaiti population is Arab; Arab expatriates include a large group of stateless Arabs, locally known as Bidoon (an Arabic word meaning "without" and different from Bedouin), along with Egyptians, Lebanese and other Arabs. Other large groups of expatriates include Pakistanis, Indians, Bangladeshis and Filipinos. In 2003, more than 400,000 Indian nationals lived in Kuwait[2], making them the largest expatriate community in the oil-rich state[3]. Kuwait formerly had a large Palestinian population, though most of them were forced out of the country after PLO leader Yassir Arafat's support of Iraq during the Iraqi occupation of Kuwait.

The official language is Arabic, although English is generally understood. Hindi, Urdu, Bengali, Tamil and other Indian languages are largely spoken by expatriates from the Indian subcontinent. About 85% of Kuwait's population are Muslims, it is estimated that around 81% of them are Sunni, and around 19% or slightly more are Shia Muslims. Of the Kuwaiti citizen population, however, about 70% are Sunni, and about 30% are Shia Muslims. Kuwait also has a significant Christian and Hindu population.
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You are amazingly stupid. Read my whole post. Another thing is only 57% of the population are arabs.
So, where does it say that it is " secular " ... Is it that difficult for you to back up your claim ?

So, you think Iranians are Arabs, I suppose ...

Get an education, twitpick
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So, where does it say that it is " secular " ... Is it that difficult for you to back up your claim ?

So, you think Iranians are Arabs, I suppose ...

Get an education, twitpick
Please give us your definition of secular.
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Please give us your definition of secular.

About time you admit your ignorance ...

I will give you THE definition of secular :

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=secular

and an interpretation of actual situation:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...od/3518375.stm

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OK... that took care of that ...
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I could prove to you in one paragraph why Iraq and Afghanistan was about oil and gas but it isnt worth it as no matter what I said you would still think that you were right.
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Not even close buddy. Ever hear of Israel? Ever hear of Dubai?

Kuwait for that matter...
Do you know what secular means? Under Hussein Iraq was essentially without religion. Buy a dictionary lamer.
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this may shock you but maybe they dont want our kind of democracy. Then people wonder why they dont like us, this arrogance. lol
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Do you know what secular means? Under Hussein Iraq was essentially without religion. Buy a dictionary lamer.
Secular as used in the mainstream media, and common language does not always pinpoint religion. Let me ask you this is America, and Canada "secular" or not "secular"?
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Secular as used in the mainstream media, and common language does not always pinpoint religion. Let me ask you this is America, and Canada "secular" or not "secular"?

- " Deal " or " No deal "
- " Good guy " - " Bad Guy "
- " With us " or " Terrorists "
- " White " - " Black "

You live in a simplistic world ... and still haven't backed up your " secular Kuwait ".... Stay on Kuwait, forget Canada or USA ... Kuwait ...
Crawl back under your rock.
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- " Deal " or " No deal "
- " Good guy " - " Bad Guy "
- " With us " or " Terrorists "
- " White " - " Black "

You live in a simplistic world ... and still haven't backed up your " secular Kuwait ".... Stay on Kuwait, forget Canada or USA ... Kuwait ...
Crawl back under your rock.
Being its Tuesday and I have real work to do today, Ill stay under my "work" rock today and just leave you with this. You sir are an American hating idiot.
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The war in Iraq is for Bush's family making more money. Final.
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Being its Tuesday and I have real work to do today, Ill stay under my "work" rock today and just leave you with this. You sir are an American hating idiot.

OK... I don't agree with your " secular Kuwait " claim , so I hate America....
.." secular Kuwait ", statement that you still have not backed up ... as usual with all your brilliant analysis ....

As I said above, you live in a simple world that an idiot like you need to live ....
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