What do you do when a client fails to pay? - GoFuckYourself.com

stickyfingerz · 05-19-2006, 11:35 PM

So what do you do say if someone fails to pay a 3,000.00 bill, then you see a chargeback for 600.00 come through your account? Small claims court? Any lawyers here on Gfy?

Pleasurepays · 05-19-2006, 11:38 PM

was it a tangible product that he purchased? service? software?

stickyfingerz · 05-19-2006, 11:39 PM

Webdesign, and consultation. Restructuring of an entire business. 30 days worth of work. 3000.00 was the remaining charge after a deposit.

gooddomains · 05-19-2006, 11:40 PM

pick up he phone and call a lawyer

stickyfingerz · 05-19-2006, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by gooddomains

pick up he phone and call a lawyer

Ive done that, but I wont talk to them till Monday, and wasnt that upset about it, till I saw this chargeback tonight.

stickyfingerz · 05-19-2006, 11:42 PM

Right now I am sending out 4 registered letters with attached invoices. 1 to each of the investors in the company, and one to their attorney. Has anyone else been in this situation before? And if so what did you do?

Paul Markham · 05-19-2006, 11:43 PM

Have they used the work you did?

stickyfingerz · 05-19-2006, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Have they used the work you did?

Yes currently there and being used. Im not naming names yet though. No one here on the boards.

Sure someone will figure it out.

Shocking · 05-19-2006, 11:45 PM

in Panama we make some friends pay him a visit and not with flowers

pr0 · 05-19-2006, 11:45 PM

If its over $500...i think you can bypass small claims court & go straight to reg.

Don't take it personally...remember, i'm a conspiracy nut & quite possibly mad

stickyfingerz · 05-19-2006, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Shocking

in Panama we make some friends pay him a visit and not with flowers

As much as I love that method, imma keep it legal.

stickyfingerz · 05-19-2006, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by pr0

If its over $500...i think you can bypass small claims court & go straight to reg.

Don't take it personally...remember, i'm a conspiracy nut & quite possibly mad

Lol nice chop there.

Well maybe my attorney will have more for me on Monday.
I may be wrong on this, but I think if I file here they have to show up, or have someone appointed to show up or they default.

Shocking · 05-19-2006, 11:49 PM

you can send your friends with the lawyer? one way or the other lol

pr0 · 05-19-2006, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

Lol nice chop there.

Well maybe my attorney will have more for me on Monday.
I may be wrong on this, but I think if I file here they have to show up, or have someone appointed to show up or they default.

only after they've been served the proper papers...but yup i think so

could always use a collection agency as well so long as all your documents are proper

stickyfingerz · 05-19-2006, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Shocking

you can send your friends with the lawyer? one way or the other lol

Well the person responsible is supposed to attend the San Diego, Las Vegas, and Florida shows. Ill be in Vegas and Florida.

madawgz · 05-19-2006, 11:51 PM

get in contact with a lawyer asap

stickyfingerz · 05-19-2006, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by pr0

only after they've been served the proper papers...but yup i think so

could always use a collection agency as well so long as all your documents are proper

Ya they would be served with papers. Im willing to pay all the fees and whatnot on this. I was going to let it go till they did the chargeback. That money they paid me, then charged back, was for traffic I purchased and have reciepts for, so its not even money that went into my pocket.

stickyfingerz · 05-19-2006, 11:54 PM

Btw.. Thats Pat.

Shocking · 05-19-2006, 11:57 PM

ihahaha180;ll be in florida too. give a percentage and i will go with my boys there lol

darksoul · 05-19-2006, 11:59 PM

well, have you talked with him ?
whats his excuse ?

SmutGiant · 05-19-2006, 11:59 PM

How long has it been since the requested due date?

Pleasurepays · 05-20-2006, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

Right now I am sending out 4 registered letters with attached invoices. 1 to each of the investors in the company, and one to their attorney. Has anyone else been in this situation before? And if so what did you do?

it really depends on the facts, the paper trail and what can be proven and whether or not your claims can be effectively disputed. if he has an argument, then you might lose more money than you are trying to recover.

trying to fight the chargeback is usually pointless as well. his bank has to reverse it or he has to call his bank and ask them to reverse it. either way, its him and the bank (of which he is a client) against you.

without knowing the facts... it would seem to me that you feel you delivered what you promised and they are prepared to argue that you didn't. don't get emotional and caught up in trying to win or better them. be rational... its about money... nothing else. if its going to cost you financial and emotional hardship to keep going and possibly recover nothing, then you need to ask yourself if its worth it.

stickyfingerz · 05-20-2006, 12:04 AM

They basically just halted communication. Ive now sent two invoices by email. I was prepared to give lots of time till the chargeback.

stickyfingerz · 05-20-2006, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

it really depends on the facts, the paper trail and what can be proven and whether or not your claims can be effectively disputed. if he has an argument, then you might lose more money than you are trying to recover.

trying to fight the chargeback is usually pointless as well. his bank has to reverse it or he has to call his bank and ask them to reverse it. either way, its him and the bank (of which he is a client) against you.

without knowing the facts... it would seem to me that you feel you delivered what you promised and they are prepared to argue that you didn't. don't get emotional and caught up in trying to win or better them. be rational... its about money... nothing else. if its going to cost you financial and emotional hardship to keep going and possibly recover nothing, then you need to ask yourself if its worth it.

Thats pretty much what I was thinking till this chargeback. Marked it off as a lesson learned. Now its gone a bit beyond that.

I can freeze that account to stop the chargeback. Im already prepared to do that. Its my extra account I use only for business stuff.

Pleasurepays · 05-20-2006, 01:01 AM

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They basically just halted communication. Ive now sent two invoices by email. I was prepared to give lots of time till the chargeback.

... what is their incentive to respond to someone who is not in a position to make realistic threats? of course they don't reply. there is no reason to.

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

Thats pretty much what I was thinking till this chargeback. Marked it off as a lesson learned. Now its gone a bit beyond that.

I can freeze that account to stop the chargeback. Im already prepared to do that. Its my extra account I use only for business stuff.

if he called his bank and charged it back... its over. what do you mean "freeze that account"? its his bank that issues the chargeback... its their credit card. its their client. its 100% out of your control.

if the transaction was for traffic, then i don't think you are going to get it reversed. he can just say he did not get what he thought he was getting and thats the end of it. i seriously doubt he called his bank and said someone used his card without his authorization... he gave a reason why he did not want to pay. that puts the ball back in your court and basically, you stand little chance of changing it. you have to find out the reason for the chargeback. if he lied saying his card was stolen/used without his authorization... then i would say you have a chance. if he said he did not get what he thought he was buying (i forgot the terms and codes - its been a while) - then you can't argue something that abstract with a bank that has no real reason to take your side against their own client.

from what i have seen so far, i would say that the best advice for you is to just walk away and consider it a lesson learned.

CuriousToyBoy · 05-20-2006, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

Well the person responsible is supposed to attend the San Diego, Las Vegas, and Florida shows. Ill be in Vegas and Florida.

I'll be in San Diego Ryan, give me the heads up and I'll readjust some attitudes.

Happy to do that for any friend, anytime.

L-Pink · 05-20-2006, 01:08 AM

How much time passed on the charge-back?

2HousePlague · 05-20-2006, 01:09 AM

All your business threads are belong to GHEY.

2hp

stickyfingerz · 05-20-2006, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

... what is their incentive to respond to someone who is not in a position to make realistic threats? of course they don't reply. there is no reason to.

if he called his bank and charged it back... its over. what do you mean "freeze that account"? its his bank that issues the chargeback... its their credit card. its their client. its 100% out of your control.

if the transaction was for traffic, then i don't think you are going to get it reversed. he can just say he did not get what he thought he was getting and thats the end of it. i seriously doubt he called his bank and said someone used his card without his authorization... he gave a reason why he did not want to pay. that puts the ball back in your court and basically, you stand little chance of changing it. you have to find out the reason for the chargeback. if he lied saying his card was stolen/used without his authorization... then i would say you have a chance. if he said he did not get what he thought he was buying (i forgot the terms and codes - its been a while) - then you can't argue something that abstract with a bank that has no real reason to take your side against their own client.

from what i have seen so far, i would say that the best advice for you is to just walk away and consider it a lesson learned.

On the chargeback he paid me via Amex to my paypal. The account that is associated with that is the one I can freeze so they cant pull money back off me. I only had about 18.00 in the paypal when they did the chargeback. I dont keep it in there just for that reason.

Paypal tends to do this stuff at will with or without a chargeback.

stickyfingerz · 05-20-2006, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by CuriousToyBoy

I'll be in San Diego Ryan, give me the heads up and I'll readjust some attitudes.

Happy to do that for any friend, anytime.

Ill discuss it with you further.

stickyfingerz · 05-20-2006, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

How much time passed on the charge-back?

It only just appeared tonight. Like sometime after 6pm central time.

stickyfingerz · 05-20-2006, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

... what is their incentive to respond to someone who is not in a position to make realistic threats? of course they don't reply. there is no reason to.

if he called his bank and charged it back... its over. what do you mean "freeze that account"? its his bank that issues the chargeback... its their credit card. its their client. its 100% out of your control.

if the transaction was for traffic, then i don't think you are going to get it reversed. he can just say he did not get what he thought he was getting and thats the end of it. i seriously doubt he called his bank and said someone used his card without his authorization... he gave a reason why he did not want to pay. that puts the ball back in your court and basically, you stand little chance of changing it. you have to find out the reason for the chargeback. if he lied saying his card was stolen/used without his authorization... then i would say you have a chance. if he said he did not get what he thought he was buying (i forgot the terms and codes - its been a while) - then you can't argue something that abstract with a bank that has no real reason to take your side against their own client.

from what i have seen so far, i would say that the best advice for you is to just walk away and consider it a lesson learned.

On the authorization part, that is actually what it says not authorized. That it wasnt authorized. Fortunetly I have a printed out PO# and an invoice for the work order amount. I also have the reciept from where I bought the traffic for them. They wanted traffic so they dumped money in my account to purchase it from whatever sources I needed to. In all I spent about 1300.00 on traffic.

Well 3:15am here so im off for a nap. Thanks to all those that gave advice, and Ill check back on this in the AM.

L-Pink · 05-20-2006, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

It only just appeared tonight. Like sometime after 6pm central time.

From the service or receipt of goods, from the date of billing .... to the date they charged back.

10 days, 30, 45, etc .......

Choppa · 05-20-2006, 01:21 AM

yeah its never good, i have one computer company that owes me $7000 AUD
for laptops, and the owner of the business had a mental breakdown and was hospitalised several days after the sale....two years later on and lord only knows how much interst as well ( I have written it off on my tax). Maybe we can ring up Tony Soprano and get the job done on both counts

stickyfingerz · 05-20-2006, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

From the service or receipt of goods, from the date of billing .... to the date they charged back.

10 days, 30, 45, etc .......

oh april 28th. Was orig charge. so 20 days or so.

stickyfingerz · 05-20-2006, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Choppa

yeah its never good, i have one computer company that owes me $7000 AUD
for laptops, and the owner of the business had a mental breakdown and was hospitalised several days after the sale....two years later on and lord only knows how much interst as well ( I have written it off on my tax). Maybe we can ring up Tony Soprano and get the job done on both counts

L-Pink · 05-20-2006, 01:34 AM

I'll give you an answer tomorrow, went thru something very similar .....

Goodnight ...... Lee

RayBonga · 05-20-2006, 03:39 AM

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What do you do when a client fails to pay?

I call my pimp.

That's what I pay him for, right?

u-Bob · 05-20-2006, 03:44 AM

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germ · 05-20-2006, 10:34 AM

find out where his mother lives.

inform him of your knowledge of said information.

GreyWolf · 09-13-2007, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

So what do you do say if someone fails to pay a 3,000.00 bill, then you see a chargeback for 600.00 come through your account? Small claims court? Any lawyers here on Gfy?

Na... forget the legal crap. Just get him to buy you a camera

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gooddomains · 09-14-2007, 01:24 AM

kick his ass

Violetta · 09-14-2007, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by GreyWolf

Na... forget the legal crap. Just get him to buy you a camera

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hjnet · 09-14-2007, 03:56 AM

1. Registered Letters
2. Collection Agency (and add ~20-30% for your expenses, time, etc. as "collection fee" or whatever)
3. Lawyer, but that doesn't pay off most of the time for that amount, especially if 1&2 didn't work.

And be prepared to wait for your money for a long time, i.e. 1-2 years

swampthing · 09-14-2007, 06:02 AM

ask the gfy for advice on what to do when a client fails to pay.

swampthing · 09-14-2007, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0

If its over $500...i think you can bypass small claims court & go straight to reg.

Don't take it personally...remember, i'm a conspiracy nut & quite possibly mad

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directfiesta · 09-14-2007, 07:06 AM

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If its over $500...i think you can bypass small claims court & go straight to reg.

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stickyfingerz Doin fine Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 24,984	Right now I am sending out 4 registered letters with attached invoices. 1 to each of the investors in the company, and one to their attorney. Has anyone else been in this situation before? And if so what did you do?

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