100........ :glugglug

There is a better chance of a dynasty in Cleveland with Lebron than Lebron being traded to someone else.

You're the one that needs to use common sense.

Ok pal, who never backs up anything he says with any fact. Name one player in NBA history that was great as LeBron not to win a title? You can't do it. LeBron is an elite player and if he stays healthy will go down as the greatest to ever play in the NBA.

LOL.. Yes, I need common sense, says the one telling me Cleveland is going to have a dynasty.. Wake up

LOL... More fanboy speculation. But if it helps you sleep at night

exactly, you don't know the game and you can't back anything you say up.

Translation: I verbally fellate Lebron.

Nobody's saying Nash is better than those two.
Nash is better at making his teammates better.


Well, first of all. You can get all the personal you want, it doesn't matter to me and it doesn't matter to the discussion....

Now if you think that missing Anderson Varejao and Larry Hughes equals to missing Amare Studemarie (MVP candidate last year), Joe Johnson, Quentin Richardson and Kurt Thomas... well, you're entitled to your opinion. Studemire alone is more worthy than Hughes & Varejao. By the way, Varejao missed 34 games and averages just 15 mins a game.

Now you can say that the suns have a lot of all offensive players. Yeah man, guys like Raja Bell, James Jones or Eddie House are all pretty well know offensive powerhouses in the league, they should have play a lot of all star games, right? Those three are career subs, never did nothing remarkable till this year. But you can keep believing they are all stars of course.

And for Marion beeing and enforcer? The guy is amazing but at 6'7" and 228 lb I don't know how he's going to patrol the paint and defend all the big mans in the league. I suppose that he can take on Shaq if they reach the finals.

Again, just my :2 cents:
Nothing personal, just opinions :)

I know the game and what I'm talking about...in a thread we had on here the other week, I'm the only one of the board who replied in it to pick the 8 (8th being Phoenix :winkwink:) winners of the first round of playoffs.

Why do you think its impossible for a dynsaty to happen in Cleveland? You really think the Cavs would trade him? They are going to do whatever is needed to keep him there and happy.

Again, why is it so crazy to think Cleveland could have a dynasty within 5 years?

You obviously know nothing with lines like "Lebron will be the greatest ever" and "Cleveland will have a dynasty.. Come again when you have an argument..

Good point quicksand


I don't think Cleveland is going to have a dynasty. Lebron alone will not win a single title...

for you to think either Miami or Phoenix is going to possibly make the finals...is getting way to carried away.

Scottie Pippen last night said before the game that LeBron was going to be greater than Jordan. I think I'd take Scottie's opinion over yours.

How many games have you played with Jordan? How many titles have you won with him? You're an idiot who doesn't pay enough attention to the whole game to be wasting our time with your bullshit.

you haven't yet based anything you've said on anything...you just shoot your mouth off. Pipe down.

That was just an example... I suppose I must have put it clearer next time ;)

Adam, this guy would have been saying the same shit about Jordan when entered the league...and had all the hype around him. Five years from now he'll be dreaming of licking LeBron's balls...and going on about how he's the best ever. Takes the retards to catch.

c'mon puppy, c'mon boy!

I never compared Verejo and Hughs to Amare and Thomas .. not once. Just said the cavs lost important players to their team just like the Suns did. Each team runs and operates its own way. One player may not be as good skill wise but may be more important to his team. Verego is a perfect example. He doesn't get all the points and minutes but the Cavs must have him to fill in for Z and add that high energy he brings to the game.

And Marion IS the enforcer. He lead the Suns this whole season with most rebounds, most blocks, most steals and most minutes played. Jesus, he averaged a double double this season ... 21.8 points and 11.8 boards. Shit, he even played more games than Nash. He is an ALL STAR.

QuickSand - you just don't know what you are saying. Marion can play in the paint all day and night. Stop now before you dig a deeper whole for yourself.

As far as Marion goes, I'd almost pick him over Nash as the MVP this year (If the MVP was coming from that team)...it's a close one. He's the 3rd most efficient player in the league behind Garnett and James.

I agree. He hasn't shown one fact or stat to backup any of his claims. Everything he says is just an opinion of a unknowledgeable person. Maybe he's just doing it for sig views.

Again .. Deman ... why do you think its impossible for Cleveland to have a dynasty in a few years. You really don't think Danny Ferry will bring in whatever new players he has to in order to support Lebron. Do you even know who Danny Ferry is?

Me too :thumbsup :thumbsup

At least you know your hoops and show stats to prove it. Thats a shit more than what the other guys are doing.

WEG Cory knows his hoops too.

He knows nothing, he hasn't showed anything but

Yeah, I must be stupid.
Missing Varejao is FAR more important than missing Studemire... you know, the system and the likes...
As for the enforcer thing. Yeah, he averages a double double, blocks shots, rebound. He has been doing that his whole career. But bro, to think that Marion can defend Shaq, the Wallaces, Z, or Duncan.... well, do you really believe that??
That Phoenix can win with Marion & Boris Diaw as their bigs figting every night against biggest and strongest players is just a testament of how great that team, players & coaches, are.
They brought Kurt Thomas to do so, to try to defend the premium bigs, to set screens and picks and to let Marion & Studemire operate freely. They don't call Kurt Thomas "Crazy Eyes" for nothing, you know?
But don't worry, I'll keep diging the hole... ;)

Quicksand do you agree that if you take LeBron away from Cleveland and Nash from Phoenix this year, that Phoenix is a better team?

That's a good question for Demon too? Interested in both your answers :pimp

Quicksand you're arguing with moronic fanboys that have no basis for their arguments. And Banner, I'm so glad Pippen's word is canon all of a sudden.. Oh wait.. IF Lebron ever gets on MJ's level let me know, until then continue verbally fellating him.

I'm not saying your stupid and Im not saying Varejao is more important. I'm not comparing them. All I'm saying is Hughes is important to the Cavs just like Kurt Thomas is important to the Suns. Again, this is not a individual comparison. Its just showing Player A is important to Team A just like Player B is important to Team B.

Also Marion is a forward not center and still leads his team in those catagories. His job is not to defend Duncan and the like. But he will shut down any player he is lined up with and still block shots of the centers playing.

That's an interesting question, really.
Now, we should decide what players we include in both rosters. Did we count all the players, including Amare or just the ones that really have played all year?
I would let you decide that. Tell me the players in each roster and I will give you my answer.

Age wise, he's way beyond where Jordan was at his age...do you seriously think that's going to change as LeBron gets older?

This next season coming LeBron is finally going to be the age Jordan was when he entered the NBA.

And if you don't think it means a lot for that to come from Pippen there's something wrong. One of the 50 best players, teammate/friend of Jordan's etc.

Still shooting your mouth off, but not saying anything.

The question is, who's a better team right now, the cavs or the Amare-less Suns.. That's a no brainer even now.

NO MAN...Like I said this year. Everything the same as it was, Hughes out, Amare out. Just no LeBron/no Nash.

Oh really? Beyond Jordan? Oh you forgot to mention Jordan had to go to college, and that in his day and age you can't just jump into the NBA. And I find it humorous that you're trying to quantify Lebron's abilities and potential. Until you back up your nonsense, you can keep on with your fanboy arguments..

are you paying attention to anything that's being said? I think you're arguing with yourself now.

Then we're agreeing on all of this :)
Yeah, Hughes is a pretty important player for the Cavs and Ferry did a great job getting Flip Murray at the deadline to fill in Hughes' shoes.
And you're right. Marion is a forward so is Diaw. Hence the importance of Kurt Thomas, their only true big man. This suns team plus Kurt Thomas & Studemire is a totally different team, much more powerful and dangerous.
And that's all I'm saying, they loose a lot of power but they're still winning! Hats of to them!

As for the Cavs. I have nothing bad to say about them or Lebron (well, besides that flagrant traveling in game 3 :P). In fact, I like the Cavs since the Lenny Wilkens-Mark Price-Ron Harper era. They are a nice team, they have a lot of good weapons and a bright future. They will make noise in the following years, that's for sure!

Answer my question BAnnerless, or are you going to continue to look like an illogical Lebron fanboy?

In his day he could have gone to the NBA at 18...but Jordan wasn't ready for the NBA.

How about this one...it wasn't until Jordan was 26 that he put up an all round season as good as what LeBron did this year.

oh yeah...and LeBron's 21

They said the same thing about chicago...chicago SUCKED

You and I are on the same page now :) I grew up in Cleveland. Man, I loved those days at Richfield watching Hot Rob Williams, Dougerty, Price, Kerr and the rest. Shit, if it wasn't for MJ alwasy beating us in the playoffs we might have gone farther.

Who do you like tonight?
https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/606652-suns-vs-lakers-pick-game-7-a.html

There has never been a player to come in the league as great as James...and to have done what he has at his age. Do you think that's going to change as he gets older?

Every other game he's setting records as the youngest to do this or that.

and when he's compared it's only to the likes of Jordan and Roberston (who I have problems with, since when Oscar played it was a totally different game...no 6'3" can get 10+ rebounds a game in today's game for a season...let a lone avg. a triple double for a season.)

Actually he's never compared to Jordan. As I've stated earlier people figured out that James was the next Magic Johnson, because he was the playmaker first, scorer second.

Again you don't know what you're talking about...when it comes to things he's accomplished he's always compared to Jordan.

Ok, let's see: no Hughes (even if he played a third of the regular season and IS playing now in the playoffs) and no Amare. No Nash and No Lebron:

Cavs
Starters:
Eric Snow
Flip Murray
Donyell Marshall
Drew Gooden
Z Ilgauskas

Subs:
Jones
Newble
Varejao

Starting five is not bad. Ilgauskas is an all star and the other players are not that bad. Bench sucks. I don't think they can reach the playoffs

Suns
Starters:
Leandro Barbosa
Raja Bell
James Jones
Shawn Marion
Boris Diaw

Subs:
House
Tim Thomas
Kurt Thomas

Besides Marion no other player in that team has ever been a starter till this year. They have no height at all, their biggest player beeing 6'7" and their center a small forward.
Their bench is a little better with both Thomases.
Suns have the coaching edge in my opinion.

It's hard to tell what's the better team.
Now, let me ask you a question: wich starters from these suns besides Marion would start for these Cavs?

Wrong again, keep embarassing yourself.

Oh man, that team was great. People seems to forget how good they were. Dougherty was an awesome center, great passer. And Price was unbelievable. He never missed a free throw and was one of the better 3 point shooter I have ever seen. It was a shame that team didn't got farther. They knew how to play the right way.
Yeah, Jordan always had your number. I know how it feels... I'm a Knicks fan! :P

Demon - I respect people opinions but you are not giving yours anymore. You are trying to state facts and you have no stats or numbers to back it up.

Can you answer just one question for me ... why haven't you posted any stats or numbers to back up your statements?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

No I'm right. Any big accomplishment is either only compared to Jordan or a select other few. That's a fact idiot. You can't tell me I'm wrong, the only one making a fool of themselves is you. You don't know what you're talking about...and have yet to back one thing you've said up with any fact.

hey Demon, here are a few stats records of LeBron's that should impress you...but obviously won't because of your ignorance.

- Youngest player in NBA history to be named NBA Rookie of the Year
- Youngest player in NBA history to receive Player of the Week honors
- Youngest player in NBA history to receive Player of the Month honors
- Youngest player in NBA history to win an All-Star Game MVP
- 2-time NBA All-Star
- Led the league in three-point plays with 79 in the 2005-06
- Youngest player in NBA history to record a triple-double in his career (also the 2nd, 3rd, & 4th)
- Youngest player in NBA history to score 50 points in one game
- Youngest player in NBA history to score 2000 points in a season
- Youngest player in NBA history to avg. 30+ points in a season
- Youngest player in NBA history to reach:
1,000 points
2,000 points
3,000 points
4,000 points
5,000 points
6,000 points
- One of only three players in NBA history to average at least 20 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assists in his rookie season (and was the youngest to do it) 2003-04
- One of only five players in NBA history to average at least 27 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assists in a season (and was the youngest to do it) 2004-05
- One of only five players in NBA history to average at least 30 points, 7 rebounds and 6 assists in a season (and was the youngest to do it) 2005-06
- One of only three players in NBA history to record a triple-double in his playoff debut
- The first player to score more than 40 points in his first playoff road game

and for some reason you don't think he's going to keep doing that...again shows how much (or should I say...how little) you know about the league and the type of player he is.

Banner ... that should just about finally shut him up. I'd love to see him post just one stat. He hasn't proven anything but that he needs attention.

I'm out .. gotta get to the bar for the game.

Oh yeah Demon .... look at the poll. Seems that most people think Lebron is the man

I'm out too...GAME TIME! Have a good one :pimp

Cleveland fans are hilarious. Yet you still fail to see that Lebron stopped being compared to MJ this year, and started being compared to Magic Johnson. This is reality, not reality according to Lebron James fans.

And King Adam, I know this is going too far because I believe you lack any knowledge outside of the adult world, but appeal to the majority is a logical fallacy.

You are just real dumb .. thats all that can be said