Legendary Lars % or PPS whats best ?

[Xenophage]

I get this question all the time hopefully this will help clear the air a bit. I am reposting it from another thread but hopefully it is informative.

first off % is better than PPS on our system. I have one webmaster who sends about 2000 traffic a day to 2 accounts. on PPS and one % and has been doing this for over a year. He makes around $100 a day on each account. The difference is if he turned off both accounts today the % account would pay out for more than a year to come slowly declining over time.

As for how many free signups convert to customers, that really varies on were the traffic comes from and how it is sent to us. I have seen only one trend, if your free signups to traffic sent is over 5% then you should do well with us and te closer you are to 10% conversion from traffic to free signup the more money you will make.

And on to the real hat trick
In live cams there are customers and then there are REAL customers (WHALES) kinda like a casino. 1 (whale) can equal 100 customers. it usuallly takes a good ammount of traffic to find that one whale, a whale can spend as much as $20,000 in a month. as you can see at 20% this is $4000 your cut. Obviously that is the extreme but havina guy who spends 5000 is not unusual.

Now sometimes someone sends us some traffic and it does not convert in the first couple days, and they pull the plug. Thinking this program sucks or whatever. Mostly they just did not stick around long enough to find the GOLD ! This is different than sending traffic to paysites. These customers come back every day and talk to girls. Eventually they try it out. the free signup you send today can turn into a sale 2 months or a year later. But if you have stopped sending traffic, you likely forget all about that when ya get your check a year later.

On the other hand sometimes we get a customer who sends a little traffic lands a WHALE their first week and think oh my god this porgram is the greatest converting thing on the planet ! It typoically takes a good 6 months or so of steady traffic to reach a peak performance but can take up to a year.

This is a long term partnership, Many companies have been with us for years and we are inside almost every major paysite company there is. There is a reason for that !

Please give us a shot at converting your traffic, but give us a fair shot at it and remember it takes a bit more time with live cams but the payoffs can be wicked for waiting around

[pornstar2pac]

sounds great Lars. I think now that broadband is getting more mainstream, www.camgirlslive.com will do even better than it already is.




Are you going to be adding some new services or products in the next 6 months?



discuss

[dropped9]

Dude I think the % is better... I still get checks from you and I havent had links up for over a year or two.... Thats slammin!!!!!!

[strobi]

now that's selling your product. God damn you convinced me!

[RP Fade]

We're using camgirlslive and I prefer %

[Xenophage]

Originally posted by pornstar2pac
sounds great Lars. I think now that broadband is getting more mainstream, www.camgirlslive.com will do even better than it already is.




Are you going to be adding some new services or products in the next 6 months?



discuss

Yes we have a lot of new stuff on the plate
I should have several things complete by the end of next month or before

[tony286]

It was nice meeting you. My wife just signed up for your program today to add it to our members area

[Xenophage]

Originally posted by tony404
It was nice meeting you. My wife just signed up for your program today to add it to our members area

Kick ass thanks tony..

it was great to meet you as well !

[Sean]

Originally posted by pornstar2pac
sounds great Lars. I think now that broadband is getting more mainstream, www.camgirlslive.com will do even better than it already is.




Are you going to be adding some new services or products in the next 6 months?



discuss

this is something new that i like.
random cam with no branding

you can put anything around it or plug into a page where ever you might want it. there are a lot of good ideas to use it with

[Sean]

oh ya, something else that is new that i like
is along the same lines. its a random pic that
will rotate and is clickable to your main page.

http://www.cams.com/marketing/hahahahahahapic.jsp

[Paparazzi]

Got a few free signups, but not a sale. Waiting for the big whale

[Xenophage]

Originally posted by Paparazzi
Got a few free signups, but not a sale. Waiting for the big whale

I love WHALES

[Stuntpig]

% seems to be the way to go.
The only time I ever use a flat rate before a % with any program is when its new company and Im not sure how long they will be around.
How long you gonna be around Lars?

[Xenophage]

I will be around long enough to put my foot up your ass stuntpig

I hav been here longer than you and I will still be here when you fade to black !

[zzgundamnzz]

I signed up last year with Pay Per Signup not realizing the earning potential.

Who do I contact to get my account changed to %

Thanks,

[KMR Stitch]

Hey, Lars I lost my pass lol

85001447

[Xenophage]

Originally posted by Stuntpig
% seems to be the way to go.
The only time I ever use a flat rate before a % with any program is when its new company and Im not sure how long they will be around.
How long you gonna be around Lars?

been here 10 years and will be here for another 10
as long as I am breathing

[pornstar2pac]

Originally posted by LegendaryLars
I will be around long enough to put my foot up your ass stuntpig

I hav been here longer than you and I will still be here when you fade to black !

I've seen Metallica 5 times in concert.

[Xenophage]

Originally posted by pornstar2pac
I've seen Metallica 5 times in concert.

wrong lars

hahahaha


your still sexy anyway

[Xenophage]

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[Sean]

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Originally posted by LegendaryLars
I get this question all the time hopefully this will help clear the air a bit. I am reposting it from another thread but hopefully it is informative.

first off % is better than PPS on our system. I have one webmaster who sends about 2000 traffic a day to 2 accounts. on PPS and one % and has been doing this for over a year. He makes around $100 a day on each account. The difference is if he turned off both accounts today the % account would pay out for more than a year to come slowly declining over time.

As for how many free signups convert to customers, that really varies on were the traffic comes from and how it is sent to us. I have seen only one trend, if your free signups to traffic sent is over 5% then you should do well with us and te closer you are to 10% conversion from traffic to free signup the more money you will make.

And on to the real hat trick
In live cams there are customers and then there are REAL customers (WHALES) kinda like a casino. 1 (whale) can equal 100 customers. it usuallly takes a good ammount of traffic to find that one whale, a whale can spend as much as $20,000 in a month. as you can see at 20% this is $4000 your cut. Obviously that is the extreme but havina guy who spends 5000 is not unusual.

Now sometimes someone sends us some traffic and it does not convert in the first couple days, and they pull the plug. Thinking this program sucks or whatever. Mostly they just did not stick around long enough to find the GOLD ! This is different than sending traffic to paysites. These customers come back every day and talk to girls. Eventually they try it out. the free signup you send today can turn into a sale 2 months or a year later. But if you have stopped sending traffic, you likely forget all about that when ya get your check a year later.

On the other hand sometimes we get a customer who sends a little traffic lands a WHALE their first week and think oh my god this porgram is the greatest converting thing on the planet ! It typoically takes a good 6 months or so of steady traffic to reach a peak performance but can take up to a year.

This is a long term partnership, Many companies have been with us for years and we are inside almost every major paysite company there is. There is a reason for that !

Please give us a shot at converting your traffic, but give us a fair shot at it and remember it takes a bit more time with live cams but the payoffs can be wicked for waiting around

Yes, i have on customer on divacash.com, his spend 15k$ for one girl only....fuck really crazy people.

[SleazyDream]

lars is my God

[Xenophage]

We get 40 new model applications per day. So we always have new fresh girsl to convert your customers.


when marketing live cams a simple text link on your page like free live camgirls, left up in the smae place for a long time can give some of the best conversions

[Xenophage]

Originally posted by SleazyDream
lars is my God

no I am your lover

stuntpig is your god

how many times I gotta tell ya that

[OzMan]

Originally posted by LegendaryLars

Legendary Irish Pimp (sean) - ICQ 147498861 or sean(at)streamray.com

When did Sean become Legendary?

[TheJimmy]

After re-reading your post the other day, I went and switched my links back to %...


I'm now officially TROLLING FOR WHALES


thanks for the refocus....

[Jive]

Originally posted by Headless
Dude I think the % is better... I still get checks from you and I havent had links up for over a year or two.... Thats slammin!!!!!!

Headcheese your so full of spamming shit all the time!

you don't have any fuckin traffic all you do is sit on your cheap porch attached to your shack all the time..

and porndollar are frauds anyways..
(2 wrongs don't earn you the right headcheese)

move along your just plain old cheesy..

[jayeff]

3 or 4 years ago far more "regular" customers were willing to try out the novelty that web cams were then. This made everyone less dependent on the whales and %age was the right route for all.

But nowadays you almost have to land some whales to make any serious money and as Lars himself wrote, there are very few of them. Thus the webmaster sending a modest number of signups is likely to wait a very long time for %age to beat PPS.

Another factor is traffic source. Traffic from within a member area (pay or AVS), or if you have a site that is dedicated to web cams and optimized for the SE's, should do well on %age. If you are sending signups from a free source, such as a TGP, my experience is that PPS works better.

As someone who was a top earner on one of the cam networks in the early days, I'm disappointed with the way that most live cam sponsors have reacted to the increasing level of competition. Back when only a couple of sponsors were in the business, it was surely easier to choose girls who really did know how to tease the surfers. The price for making dozens or hundreds of feeds the standard, is that far too often now you see girls who look totally bored, as if the only thing on their mind is how long before their shift finishes. Unfortunately, many don't liven up a whole lot, even when the $$$ clock is ticking.

And where the feeds and the girls were once considered enough to do the selling, today some of the interfaces are loaded down with alternative links, email boxes, etc. The appearance of warps and consoles on some sites isn't a step forward either.

Finally, there is a remarkable lack of originality. Almost everyone seems to stress the "amateur" angle, which surely isn't the only one with appeal. But presumably to reinforce this theme and despite the huge improvements in live feed quality, the "who's online" pages and bio pictures are dreadful and so similar to each other, it is near impossible to remember which site you are on.

There is still a lot of money in live video. In fact more than so-called reality sites, DVD movies and the rest, IMO live, interactive porn is the way of the future. But to make the most of it, cam sponsors need to develop their product, not just find ways to squeeze more out of the original concept.

[Go4LiveCash]

PPS with cam networks just attracts spammers / frauders.
just look in yahoo chats which are full of bots for known PPS camsites. they never make the money back they pay to webmasters since those yahoo chatter guys are like TGP freeloaders, just more annoying often times.
We since ever pay on a %. even for model signups. and there are whales amongst cam girls as well ;-)
As said above member area upsales and even those from for free type of websites do very decent. if the guy falls in love with a certain type of girl and has the means he spends and spends and thousands of dollars spent per girl are not unusual.
what I am still missing in this entire cam industry though is cam site operators working more together and x-promoting. this is so common on regular sites through exits but not on cam sites. why is that ?

JP

[Xenophage]

Originally Posted by jayeff

3 or 4 years ago far more "regular" customers were willing to try out the novelty that web cams were then. This made everyone less dependent on the whales and %age was the right route for all.

But nowadays you almost have to land some whales to make any serious money and as Lars himself wrote, there are very few of them. Thus the webmaster sending a modest number of signups is likely to wait a very long time for %age to beat PPS.

Another factor is traffic source. Traffic from within a member area (pay or AVS), or if you have a site that is dedicated to web cams and optimized for the SE's, should do well on %age. If you are sending signups from a free source, such as a TGP, my experience is that PPS works better.

As someone who was a top earner on one of the cam networks in the early days, I'm disappointed with the way that most live cam sponsors have reacted to the increasing level of competition. Back when only a couple of sponsors were in the business, it was surely easier to choose girls who really did know how to tease the surfers. The price for making dozens or hundreds of feeds the standard, is that far too often now you see girls who look totally bored, as if the only thing on their mind is how long before their shift finishes. Unfortunately, many don't liven up a whole lot, even when the $$$ clock is ticking.

And where the feeds and the girls were once considered enough to do the selling, today some of the interfaces are loaded down with alternative links, email boxes, etc. The appearance of warps and consoles on some sites isn't a step forward either.

Finally, there is a remarkable lack of originality. Almost everyone seems to stress the "amateur" angle, which surely isn't the only one with appeal. But presumably to reinforce this theme and despite the huge improvements in live feed quality, the "who's online" pages and bio pictures are dreadful and so similar to each other, it is near impossible to remember which site you are on.

There is still a lot of money in live video. In fact more than so-called reality sites, DVD movies and the rest, IMO live, interactive porn is the way of the future. But to make the most of it, cam sponsors need to develop their product, not just find ways to squeeze more out of the original concept.

Thanks for the nice read !

[Xenophage]

Originally Posted by Go4LiveCash

PPS with cam networks just attracts spammers / frauders.
just look in yahoo chats which are full of bots for known PPS camsites. they never make the money back they pay to webmasters since those yahoo chatter guys are like TGP freeloaders, just more annoying often times.
We since ever pay on a %. even for model signups. and there are whales amongst cam girls as well ;-)
As said above member area upsales and even those from for free type of websites do very decent. if the guy falls in love with a certain type of girl and has the means he spends and spends and thousands of dollars spent per girl are not unusual.
what I am still missing in this entire cam industry though is cam site operators working more together and x-promoting. this is so common on regular sites through exits but not on cam sites. why is that ?

JP

because of different pricing and also competition for models not just surfers.
Size matters in cams !

[Sean]

this is still the age old question will us

[Xenophage]

Yes but its a good read for those interested in promoting cams..

[Dwreck]

awesome tips Lars!

[Xenophage]

Originally Posted by Dwreck

awesome tips Lars!

Thanks We try !

[Vendot]

So voyeur traffic must do really well on the main program.... and you can convert your affiliate traffic through the webmaster referral program.

What about model traffic? Is there any way I can send you models for signing up for camming and convert that into cash? Or you have too many models?

[Denis_SC]

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

We get 40 new model applications per day.

I can confirm that ...

[Sean]

Originally Posted by vendot

So voyeur traffic must do really well on the main program.... and you can convert your affiliate traffic through the webmaster referral program.

What about model traffic? Is there any way I can send you models for signing up for camming and convert that into cash? Or you have too many models?

its something that we are working on now

[OzMan]

Originally Posted by vendot

So voyeur traffic must do really well on the main program.... and you can convert your affiliate traffic through the webmaster referral program.

What about model traffic? Is there any way I can send you models for signing up for camming and convert that into cash? Or you have too many models?

Last I heard Lars gets about 50 new models a week knocking on his door so they don't offer a model referral.

The hot ones he accepts and the trannies he sends to Sean's house

edit:

its something that we are working on now

I told ya

[betsy]

I use % on my sites because the Irish Pimp told me so, and his pimp hand is STRONG!

[Vendot]

Originally Posted by Irish Pimp

its something that we are working on now

That would come in quite handy as i have a shit load of high quality models traffic and id like to cash in.

[Xenophage]

Originally Posted by betsyAFF!

I use % on my sites because the Irish Pimp told me so, and his pimp hand is STRONG!

Yes it is !

[Xenophage]

A bump for my good friend You know who dog diggity !

[betsy]

Originally Posted by vendot

That would come in quite handy as i have a shit load of high quality models traffic and id like to cash in.

Cashing in is our specialty ;) I'll start writing your phat check now.......

[tranza]

Nice bump...

[FilthyRob]

I always prefer %

[Horny Guy]

my account $25 Pay Per Signup 1178 52 0 $0.00 $0.00 is that norm ?
I stoped sending traffic as my other cam sponsers doing better

[Walrus]

This was a very good read.

[Dalai lama]

I'm currently using %