teadrinker

am not sure if they shave or not but am just giving you some stats here anyway usually i convert 1:10 with around 300 visitors aday but 2 days ago my stats said i send 600+ and ratio of 1:20

i found this odd because i know my traffic well and there is noway i would send it double the traffic and at the same time ratio 1:20

it seems like they shave traffic by half so therefor ratio is 1:10 with 300 rather then double the traffic and ratio 1:20

it just the fact.

FATPad

Ratios fluctuate all the time.

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XXXPaysiteDesign

Are you familiar with the term "oversaturation" ??

You might want to consider what could have really happened before your start screaming wolf.

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teadrinker

did i mention that the ratio came back at 1:10 with 300+ traffic after that day?

teadrinker

also getting 300+ more hits is over saturated? lol jeez your smart haha

you should read buddy.

FATPad

So for one day, your ratio FLUCTUATED and you automatically assume your sales were shaved for that day?

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RaGe

I think he's talking about all webmasters as a whole, not just you. TONS of people have been using them, and as such, most surfers have seen at least 1 ad for them.. once that happens, the ratios go down. It's not rocket science.

Btw, it's spelled "you're".. maybe you need to do a bit more reading

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DrewKole

He's talkin about the program as a whole... People are seeing the sites all over the net now, due to guys like you who are pushin it hard.

Thus, everyone's ratios should fall some, because its not as "fresh" as it used to be.

WTG there Teadrinker, you're a regular Bill Nye aintcha?

DrewKole

K, sir... you suck, besides always winning the prizes from FM, ya beat me to the punch...

ezwink

Well, the bottom line is that unless you go with someone using a third party biller (ccbill, ibill, jettis), you have NO WAY of knowing or proving shaving is going on short of getting a lawyer. (Even then it would be a long shot.)

The 3rd party billers can be a pain and not as slick sometimes, but if you need to have that doubt removed-- thats the way.

The answer to any statistic you bring up is what everyone else said-- they fluctuate....you had an off day....happens to all of us...etc etc. I don't always like it, but I tend to stick with the sponsors using outside billing just for this reason.

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RaGe

I didn't win anything last night Can you believe it? Zilch. Nadda. Oh well, I'll have to take the grand prize again next week..

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Note to self, read more often.

Note to teadrinker, blow me.

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teadrinker

no fatdad thats not what i think at all, what on my mind was that they dint turn on there shaving machine on that perticular day hence my topic name

just thought i shared this

05-13-2002

thats the day, if anyone eles get odd stats like they normally would not post it.

Vagisil

dont they all shave?

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teadrinker

yes they do but i might be the only one that caught them in the act

chodadog

You're a fuckwit. The Hawg Brothers are some of the most honest guys in the business if you ask me.

Go Fuck Yourself.

Babaganoosh

I gotta agree. They seem honest as hell. My ratio sucked ass yesterday, but it does that once in a while.

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teadrinker

damn you people take it easy, i never said they shave, i simply think its odd maybe it just a data base error, its a dicussion board, dont flame on every post, sheesh

RaGe

Then maybe you should come up with some real proof first instead of publicly accusing a company of shaving on a message board whining because your ratio dropped a bit. You did say they shave, you said so yourself, "I caught them in the act"..

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chodadog

So how about saying. Wow, my ratio was shit for a day. Maybe my traffic was crap. Maybe i had a sudden influx of shitty traffic. Maybe far too many people are promoting free ezine bucks, and thus over saturating the sites. But noooo, you jump straight to the conclusion that they shave. And don't talk shit, the fact that you asked the question, means you think they do, you're just waiting for some other idiot who was upset with his shitty assed ratio to "confirm" it.

teadrinker

rage i was just kidding on that, since when did i whine or when did i accuse them of shaving? man just shut up.

dont reply to this post. end thread.

AdultWire

Ok.. my freeezine ratios also hit the toilet.. I can't seem to do anything to bring them up.

I emailed, but no response thus far (2 days).

This is not a fluctuation. It's been several days. I'm not going to point fingers at shaving, since there are any number of reasons why ratio's could go down.. oversaturation, server errors, whatever...

HOWEVER.. I'd be interested in seeing how widespread this is. If any kind soul has ideas about strategies for making these ratio's go up, I'd be happy to hear them.

Clearly, the people who signed on UNDER me are not having ANY problems making conversions... At least, not according to the stats *I* see.

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chodadog

Which would imply that there something amiss on your end.

chodadog

Have you had any fluctuations in traffic? Maybe you got a big ol' bunch of shit traffic

TDF

wow..its funny how someone thinks a company is shaving because their ratio isnt the same as it was last week blah blah blah...get back to work and quit bitchin about a few dollars.If half the people from GFY would work on traffic instead of whining about it on a messageboard they could make their "shaved" traffic back and them some..so a big GFY to ratio whiners...

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it should be called "freeEzineSuckMYDicksCum.com"

4Pics

You really should post things that are true, and just because a sponsor uses a 3rd party biller does not make it so they can't shave. ** UNLESS ** you can send directly to the 3rd party join page but most won't let you do that.

Long live XPICS!!

AdultWire

That would be one distinct possibility, which is why I also said:

You'll see, chodadog, that I'm fully aware it may be something on my end. No need to repeat what I already said, but if you do, I'd appreciate you do it in context so as to not make me look like an asshole.

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chodadog

I was actually reinforcing what you had said, and the intent was to make that point very clear to teadrinker. Sorry that it came off sounding like that. Was not intended.

AdultWire

Meh.. sorry dude.. I'm tired.. been up about 15 hours.. I'm probably overreacting. Consider it squashed.

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AdultWire

Haha.. make that 25 hours.. GOODNIGHT FOLKS!!!

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chodadog

Get some sleep you crazy foo'

Theo

with 300 hits/day on a free sponsor you think you can make such assumptions because of a bad day?.......

Sex4it

They are great! :P

No doubt about it!

Do they shave? Don't think so

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zed

Who knows if they are shaving, frankly i dont care anymore. As far as iam concerned the program itself is pathetic & if you join up & go through the Ezine there is no content at all just one big fucking mass add. As soon as i checked through the site i pulled all my advertisments of my site.

I feel what they are offering is fuck all & a great way to lose bookmarked traffic. Your surfer will feel almost betrayed when they go through all the shit to sign up for this crap. Do the test & sign up yourself & check out what could possibly be the biggest load of bullshit i have ever seen in seven years of porn browsing.

Regards

Zed

Brad Mitchell

It's okay to pose the question about conversions but rather impolite to phrase it as "..turning on the shaving maching" - at least that's my take.

Ratios can absolutely fluctuate all the time and you truly do need a large sampling of traffic over an extended period of time to judge them. People are saying that it's probably getting saturated - I think they're naysayers, although that eventually might happen. Look at sites like Kara's that have been up for years and years and still convert in high numbers for webmasters.

But, back to your conversions... YES, it is possible to double - or more - your traffic and get much lower conversions without it necessarily meaning anything. Sometimes, frankly, shit happens. There's no explanation, that's just how the numbers fall.

The only real way to evaluate a program is to evaluate the traffic sent to it over the course of a month. Another important factor would certainly be the sources of your traffic. If your traffic doubled, where did all the additional surfers come from?

Anyways, I always first give sponsors the benefit of the doubt. In this instance, I'm sure we'd all agree that Boss Hawg has always appeared to be on the up and up.

Good luck with those conversions!

Brad

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Terenzo

dude, you wouldn't notice them shaving, they would only credit you eg 8 out of 10 signups - or do you think they would just shave at certain days?

rather their database couldn't be connected to the script, i noticed that the hawgs' programs (hc, ao, feb) often have mysql errors - your hits cannot be tracked then.

2-3 days ago i also noticed a to large number of uniques tracked while the signups still stayed the same - the ratio suffered from this.

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playa

why is shaving the answer to everything?

i bet the problem is that they don't pay for duplicate email submission and after awhile all the porn surfers have already signed up

BossHawg

The bottom line is ratios FLUCTUATE. We are not shaving and have no reason to. The more signups you get, the more traffic you send, hence the more money we make.

Simply by sending smaller amounts of traffic you will no doubt see a bigger fluctuation every once in a while. I hear it a lot in the morning. My ratio sucks, whats going on? etc.. Since FREE programs pay on confirmed signups it may just take some people longer to confirm, or if an extra guy or two dont confirm your ratio will look much worse on one day if you send minimal traffic...Just by the nature of numbers...

To touch on the over saturation topic, it is simply an EXCUSE. Ratios are still very positive overall. Remember to take what you read on these boards with a grain of salt. I saw a thread on another board and 5 people said we didnt convert for them and simply said we suck. Those 5 people sent a combined 20 signups and none sent enough traffic to actually gauge anything yet they are still quick to say we suck. Amazing.

On a side note we have roughly 20 new sites coming out in 2 weeks or so that are currently being beta tested

AdultWire...got your email and will respond in a few. I looked over your javascript stuff and didnt see any problems with why our system wouldn't be tracking but I will drop you an email in a few.

teadrinker..ICQ me at 945580 your account and I will check into it. I can see if you just had an abnormally low confirm to unconfirm ratio as that can always be the cause of lower ratios.

zed...This is a business my friend..its all based on margins and we do what we need to payout the $1 per email. What we have in our members area is OUR problem as we DONT take deductions and if they dont like they can cancel. So if they cancel we lose the subscriber right away without getting chances to email them. We are adding some new video content soon though (thanks lars @ steadybucks.com) to the members areas.

Royaltee_Gee

FreeEzineBucks is a sponsor you push for a good 3 months or so and enjoy the ride, make some bank and move on..

It's not a long term sponsor...

Well especially since the members section all it is, is links to paysites.

Royaltee_Gee

But there's no point going on the boards and wining about shaving.. who cares if they did.. half the adult market does!

It's something you accept and never use as an excuse...

teadrinker

ok guys let me make something clear here, sorry if i might have send out a message that they shave, they are a great program sure, i have been in this biz for a long time, dont tell me about how traffic works i know!

maybe it was a data base thing but the reason i posted here is because i found ezine not counting the hits well, i know my traffic and i know i send really alot more...

i dont want a dvd and dont want bosshawg program to look bad, please close this thread?

btw i do own paysites and any sites you can imagine and i know what am talking about

Sly_RJ

Next you'll accuse them of CP. That's usually how it works around here.

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nocostporn

Why is everybody arguing? EVERYBODY knows EVERYBODY shaves,it's only good business...the only crime this guy has made is that his dumbass didn't know this sooner... Do a test,Make a fake ezine webmaster account,dont use any of your info so you wont be cheating them out of any money...Put your link on a page,signup 20 times using proxies..I'm sure you will be surprised...I did it with ALL of those 4free programs and they all failed... Btw,go do it with per signups even bigger surprise will be there...If you want it to be more obvious,get 10 of your buddies to do the samething.... We all know sponserhip programs shave,so stop defending it...Want proof? go do the test

Milton

ahha

JConway

interesting

nocostporn

btw,I'm not complaining because I KNOW this is something that has to be done...If I had a gigantic program I would be shaving 5% total signups as well...It's not a BAD thing,of course nobody will admit to it...but it's common sense...Havent most of you said chargebacks and not converting trials into monthlys has gotten horrible? How do you think a sponsorship program can pay you $35 on FREE trials when they probably only convert 75% of those...SHAAAAAVE..... Shaving = good business ... Bosshawgs,help me out here LOL

LoveAsianChicks

unreal, simply unreal.
1:20 signup ratio yesterday.
1:139 today.

Something is going on. I mean, the traffic quality suddenly gets 6X worse overnight?

AdultWire

BossHawg.. thanks for responding to my email.. we all get backed up in work now & then. Like I said in my response to you, it seemed after some further investigation that *I* am solely responsible for my drop in ratio's... partly quality of traffic, and partly minor changes I made to my links that had a WAY bigger impact then I thought they would.

Thanks for being supportive of your webmasters!

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P.S... just an idea.. I'd love to see a user contributed FPA area -- fresh FPA's convert like nothing else.

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