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sperbonzo · 05-02-2006, 05:49 PM

What do you think of these as immigration laws?

1. If you migrate to this county, you must speak the native language

2. You have to be a professional or an investor. No unskilled workers allowed.

3. There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools, no special ballots for elections, all government business will be conducted in our language.

4. Foreigners will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.

5 Foreigners will NEVER be able to hold political office.

6. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs.

7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount equal t o 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.

8. If foreigners do come and want to buy land that will be okay, BUT options will be restricted. You are not allowed waterfront property. That is reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.

9. Foreigners may not protest; no demonstrations, no waving a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies, if you do you will be sent home.

10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be hunted down and sent straight to jail.

Harsh, you say? The above laws happen to be the immigration laws of MEXICO!

kirupai · 05-02-2006, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

What do you think of these as immigration laws?

1. If you migrate to this county, you must speak the native language

2. You have to be a professional or an investor. No unskilled workers allowed.

3. There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools, no special ballots for elections, all government business will be conducted in our language.

4. Foreigners will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.

5 Foreigners will NEVER be able to hold political office.

6. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs.

7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount equal t o 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.

8. If foreigners do come and want to buy land that will be okay, BUT options will be restricted. You are not allowed waterfront property. That is reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.

9. Foreigners may not protest; no demonstrations, no waving a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies, if you do you will be sent home.

10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be hunted down and sent straight to jail.

Harsh, you say? The above laws happen to be the immigration laws of MEXICO!

You are fucking stupid, I lived in Mexico for 18 years and none of those are true.

baddog · 05-02-2006, 05:53 PM

Yeah, how dare us want them to legally immigrate.

sperbonzo · 05-02-2006, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kirupai

You are fucking stupid, I lived in Mexico for 18 years and none of those are true.

Really??

http://www.mexperience.com/liveandwork/immigration.htm

http://www.todossantos.cc/meximmig.html

Do some reading..... and by the way, call me MISTER fucking stupid next time please.

tony286 · 05-02-2006, 05:57 PM

they arent the bad guys its the american businesses that hire them here and post notices hiring in mexico to get them to come here. if no one hired them they wouldnt come in.

Libertine · 05-02-2006, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Harsh, you say? The above laws happen to be the immigration laws of MEXICO!

Why blame immigrants, who obviously HAVE LEFT Mexico, for those laws? That's like blaming a christian who leaves Iran for the anti-christian laws in Iran.

sperbonzo · 05-02-2006, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by punkworld

Why blame immigrants, who obviously HAVE LEFT Mexico, for those laws? That's like blaming a christian who leaves Iran for the anti-christian laws in Iran.

I'm pointing out the hypocrocy of the Mexican government, which is objecting to the US enforcing our border entry laws.

kirupai · 05-02-2006, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Really??

http://www.mexperience.com/liveandwork/immigration.htm

http://www.todossantos.cc/meximmig.html

Do some reading..... and by the way, call me MISTER fucking stupid next time please.

The only thing i see there is stuff in regards to:

7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount equal t o 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.

You know what the minimum wage is in Mexico right?

Dont get me wrong I dont support Illigial Immigration, but to say that we must do something a certian way just because another counter does it that way is stupid.

Do you want to do stuff like other countries then lets start censoring the internet, telling you how many kids you are allowed to have.

And also are you complaining about illigal immigration or just immigration as a whole?

Alex · 05-02-2006, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Mexican government, which is objecting to the US enforcing our border entry laws.

Have i missed something on the news.

Do you have a link to this?

sperbonzo · 05-02-2006, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Have i missed something on the news.

Do you have a link to this?

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...04-18-18-08-31

http://www.city-journal.org/html/15_4_mexico.html

http://hayworth.house.gov/cgi-data/news/files/304.shtml

http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/mexico/release.html

sperbonzo · 05-02-2006, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kirupai

And also are you complaining about illigal immigration or just immigration as a whole?

I have no problem with immigration, I just have a problem with the US being portrayed as evil for enforcing the same type of entry laws as any other country. ESPECIALLY being criticized by the Mexican gov when their own laws are much much tougher and their treatment of illegal alliens in their country is SO much worse.

I personally like the idea in THIS article

http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.o...ration_Law.pdf

sperbonzo · 05-02-2006, 06:21 PM

I repeat, why is the Mexican gov telling us that we are wrong for enforcing laws that aren't NEARLY as harsh as theirs?

Do they have an agenda?

psili · 05-02-2006, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kirupai

Do you want to do stuff like other countries then lets start...telling you how many kids you are allowed to have.

I actually like that one.

And when I type that, I'm meaning across the board; all cultures, races, creeds, religions and whatnot.

Dunno who controls it, mandates it, whatever, but I like that idea for some reason.

Drake · 05-02-2006, 06:26 PM

I've read this before but it's like comparing apples to oranges. There is nothing to gain from illegally emigrating to Mexico, a poor nation. Mexico will have different laws regarding immigration for many reasons. 1) the nation is already a basket case and doesn't need any extra dead weight coming in 2) the government is corrupt and wants to maintain authoratative control 3) Mexico is a poor nation and has much more to gain from investments 4) because the nation is poor nobody is running to become a citizen their unless they have money to retire and live an easy life or are criminals hiding, the latter which they don't want 5) those laws are most likely not even enforced if you're brining any kind of money into their country. Nobody is going to stop you if you're traveling into Mexico aside from corrupt cops, but you will get stopped trying to re-enter the US.

The Mexican government is corrupt and needy, so those laws make perfect sense considering the circumstances.

tony286 · 05-02-2006, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I repeat, why is the Mexican gov telling us that we are wrong for enforcing laws that aren't NEARLY as harsh as theirs?

Do they have an agenda?

why do american businesses keep hiring illegals,if they didnt hire them they wouldnt come here. is that hard to grasp

Spunky · 05-02-2006, 06:27 PM

I was wondering why many of them flood the States illegally.I wish our country would be just as strict

sperbonzo · 05-02-2006, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

why do american businesses keep hiring illegals,if they didnt hire them they wouldnt come here. is that hard to grasp

I agree with you tony. I think that US companies that hire illegals should be prosocuted under the laws that are already on the books but not enforced.

Drake · 05-02-2006, 06:32 PM

Are there many Americans who want to sneak across to Mexico so that they can earn 10 pesos every day and live in squalor, instead of earning at the very least minimum wage here in America?

tony286 · 05-02-2006, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I agree with you tony. I think that US companies that hire illegals should be prosocuted under the laws that are already on the books but not enforced.

i was telling my dad let them haul out one ceo in handcuffs for hiring illegals and the problem will be solved in two weeks lol

sperbonzo · 05-02-2006, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike33

I've read this before but it's like comparing apples to oranges. There is nothing to gain from illegally emigrating to Mexico, a poor nation. Mexico will have different laws regarding immigration for many reasons. 1) the nation is already a basket case and doesn't need any extra dead weight coming in 2) the government is corrupt and wants to maintain authoratative control 3) Mexico is a poor nation and has much more to gain from investments 4) because the nation is poor nobody is running to become a citizen their unless they have money to retire and live an easy life or are criminals hiding, the latter which they don't want 5) those laws are most likely not even enforced if you're brining any kind of money into their country. Nobody is going to stop you if you're traveling into Mexico aside from corrupt cops, but you will get stopped trying to re-enter the US.

The Mexican government is corrupt and needy, so those laws make perfect sense considering the circumstances.

...and yet the Mexican government is calling the US inhumane.... with THEIR record....???

TULTITLAN, Mexico (AP) -- Considered felons by the government, these migrants fear detention, rape and robbery. Police and soldiers hunt them down at railroads, bus stations and fleabag hotels. Sometimes they are deported; more often officers simply take their money.

While migrants in the United States have held huge demonstrations in recent weeks, the hundreds of thousands of undocumented Central Americans in Mexico suffer mostly in silence.

And though Mexico demands humane treatment for its citizens who migrate to the U.S., regardless of their legal status, Mexico provides few protections for migrants on its own soil. The issue simply isn't on the country's political agenda, perhaps because migrants make up only 0.5 percent of the population, or about 500,000 people - compared with 12 percent in the United States.

The level of brutality Central American migrants face in Mexico was apparent Monday, when police conducting a raid for undocumented migrants near a rail yard outside Mexico City shot to death a local man, apparently because his dark skin and work clothes made officers think he was a migrant.

Virginia Sanchez, who lives near the railroad tracks that carry Central Americans north to the U.S. border, said such shootings in Tultitlan are common.

"At night, you hear the gunshots, and it's the judiciales (state police) chasing the migrants," she said. "It's not fair to kill these people. It's not fair in the United States and it's not fair here."

Undocumented Central American migrants complain much more about how they are treated by Mexican officials than about authorities on the U.S. side of the border, where migrants may resent being caught but often praise the professionalism of the agents scouring the desert for their trail.

"If you're carrying any money, they take it from you - federal, state, local police, all of them," said Carlos Lopez, a 28-year-old farmhand from Guatemala crouching in a field near the tracks in Tultitlan, waiting to climb onto a northbound freight train.

Lopez said he had been shaken down repeatedly in 15 days of traveling through Mexico.

"The soldiers were there as soon as we crossed the river," he said. "They said, 'You can't cross ... unless you leave something for us.'"

Jose Ramos, 18, of El Salvador, said the extortion occurs at every stop in Mexico, until migrants are left penniless and begging for food.

"If you're on a bus, they pull you off and search your pockets and if you have any money, they keep it and say, 'Get out of here,'" Ramos said.

Maria Elena Gonzalez, who lives near the tracks, said female migrants often complain about abusive police.

"They force them to strip, supposedly to search them, but the purpose is to sexually abuse them," she said.

Others said they had seen migrants beaten to death by police, their bodies left near the railway tracks to make it look as if they had fallen from a train.

The Mexican government acknowledges that many federal, state and local officials are on the take from the people-smugglers who move hundreds of thousands of Central Americans north, and that migrants are particularly vulnerable to abuse by corrupt police.

The National Human Rights Commission, a government-funded agency, documented the abuses south of the U.S. border in a December report.

"One of the saddest national failings on immigration issues is the contradiction in demanding that the North respect migrants' rights, which we are not capable of guaranteeing in the South," commission president Jose Luis Soberanes said.

In the United States, mostly Mexican immigrants have staged rallies pressuring Congress to grant amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants rather than making them felons and deputizing police to deport them. The Mexican government has spoken out in support of the immigrants' cause.

While Interior Secretary Carlos Abascal said Monday that "Mexico is a country with a clear, defined and generous policy toward migrants," the nation of 105 million has legalized only 15,000 immigrants in the past five years, and many undocumented migrants who are detained are deported.

Although Mexico objects to U.S. authorities detaining Mexican immigrants, police and soldiers usually cause the most trouble for migrants in Mexico, even though they aren't technically authorized to enforce immigration laws.

And while Mexicans denounce the criminalization of their citizens living without papers in the United States, Mexican law classifies undocumented immigration as a felony punishable by up to two years in prison, although deportation is more common.

The number of undocumented migrants detained in Mexico almost doubled from 138,061 in 2002 to 240,269 last year. Forty-two percent were Guatemalan, 33 percent Honduran and most of the rest Salvadoran.

Like the United States, Mexico is becoming reliant on immigrant labor. Last year, then-director of Mexico's immigration agency, Magdalena Carral, said an increasing number of Central Americans were staying in Mexico, rather than just passing through on their way to the U.S.

She said sectors of the Mexican economy facing labor shortages often use undocumented workers because the legal process for work visas is inefficient.

? 2006 The Associated Press.

Drake · 05-02-2006, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

...and yet the Mexican government is calling the US inhumane.... with THEIR record....???

I understand the hypocrisy and it does boggle my mind as to why Mexicans allow it to persist and why Mexican-Americans don't condemn the Mexican government for its treatment of its own people and migrant workers. When people make this into an issue of race, they need to acknowledge that the Mexican government and many of its citizens are just as racist as everybody else.

sperbonzo · 05-02-2006, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike33

I understand the hypocrisy and it does boggle my mind as to why Mexicans allow it to persist and why Mexican-Americans don't condemn the Mexican government for its treatment of its own people and migrant workers. When people make this into an issue of race, they need to acknowledge that the Mexican government and many of its citizens are just as racist as everybody else.

EXACTLY!!!

05-02-2006, 05:49 PM	#1
sperbonzo I'd rather be on my boat. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 9,748	VERY harsh Immigration laws! A Must Read. What do you think of these as immigration laws? 1. If you migrate to this county, you must speak the native language 2. You have to be a professional or an investor. No unskilled workers allowed. 3. There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools, no special ballots for elections, all government business will be conducted in our language. 4. Foreigners will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here. 5 Foreigners will NEVER be able to hold political office. 6. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs. 7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount equal t o 40,000 times the daily minimum wage. 8. If foreigners do come and want to buy land that will be okay, BUT options will be restricted. You are not allowed waterfront property. That is reserved for citizens naturally born into this country. 9. Foreigners may not protest; no demonstrations, no waving a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies, if you do you will be sent home. 10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be hunted down and sent straight to jail. Harsh, you say? The above laws happen to be the immigration laws of MEXICO! __________________ Michael Sperber / Acella Financial LLC/ Online Payment Processing [email protected] / http://Acellafinancial.com/ ICQ 177961090 / Tel +1 909 NET BILL / Skype msperber

05-02-2006, 06:21 PM	#12
sperbonzo I'd rather be on my boat. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 9,748	I repeat, why is the Mexican gov telling us that we are wrong for enforcing laws that aren't NEARLY as harsh as theirs? Do they have an agenda? __________________ Michael Sperber / Acella Financial LLC/ Online Payment Processing [email protected] / http://Acellafinancial.com/ ICQ 177961090 / Tel +1 909 NET BILL / Skype msperber Last edited by sperbonzo; 05-02-2006 at 06:23 PM..

05-02-2006, 06:27 PM	#16
Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,944	I was wondering why many of them flood the States illegally.I wish our country would be just as strict __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE* Last edited by Spunky; 05-02-2006 at 06:28 PM..

05-02-2006, 05:53 PM	#3
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	Yeah, how dare us want them to legally immigrate.

05-02-2006, 05:57 PM	#5
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	they arent the bad guys its the american businesses that hire them here and post notices hiring in mexico to get them to come here. if no one hired them they wouldnt come in.

05-02-2006, 06:26 PM	#14
Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	I've read this before but it's like comparing apples to oranges. There is nothing to gain from illegally emigrating to Mexico, a poor nation. Mexico will have different laws regarding immigration for many reasons. 1) the nation is already a basket case and doesn't need any extra dead weight coming in 2) the government is corrupt and wants to maintain authoratative control 3) Mexico is a poor nation and has much more to gain from investments 4) because the nation is poor nobody is running to become a citizen their unless they have money to retire and live an easy life or are criminals hiding, the latter which they don't want 5) those laws are most likely not even enforced if you're brining any kind of money into their country. Nobody is going to stop you if you're traveling into Mexico aside from corrupt cops, but you will get stopped trying to re-enter the US. The Mexican government is corrupt and needy, so those laws make perfect sense considering the circumstances.

05-02-2006, 06:32 PM	#18
Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	Are there many Americans who want to sneak across to Mexico so that they can earn 10 pesos every day and live in squalor, instead of earning at the very least minimum wage here in America?