Originally Posted by seven

I dunno why but I have a feeling that he does understand english atleast better than you lol. If one doesn't care about just a certain group and speaks up against them over and again then by definition of racism makes him a racist. Therefore, I'm guessing you you'd like to be called a RACIST over anti-immigrant?

Originally Posted by Dagwolf

The people on the Mayflower didn't have to go through INS. They didn't pass a citizenship test. They just moved in and took some land.

Originally Posted by KRL

Exactly. And in the process they also began the slaughter of the native American people that WERE here before us.

That's what pisses me off hearing people bitch about immigrants in today's world. All these people bitching seem to have forgotten how they came to be here.

I really could care less about the guys standing at home depot waiting for jobs to cut grass when we have real issues like the middle east to deal with.

This whole immigration thing was designed to distract and take the heat off the Iraq war dissatisfaction and everyone knows it.

:disgust

Originally Posted by DBS.US

The people on the Mayflower didn't come over and say give me free services, give me free money, I can't pay my rent so give me a free law services to get to stay free in my rented home. I don't have to follow the laws of the land. I don't need car insurance, I am a poor illegal immigrant.

Originally Posted by MrQ

Yes, but the land back then was baren. There was no welfare, no scholarships, no social security, etc.

There was no real benefit to coming, compared to where they came from. There was only opportunity.

The presence of services ready to be used and (more importantly) ABUSED is why people have to pass tests and go through customs and INS.

Originally Posted by MrQ

Yes, but the land back then was baren. There was no welfare, no scholarships, no social security, etc.

There was no real benefit to coming, compared to where they came from. There was only opportunity.

The presence of services ready to be used and (more importantly) ABUSED is why people have to pass tests and go through customs and INS.

Originally Posted by escorpio

Then it will be taken from you.

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

Ahhh, there it is. That little gem that I knew you'd give up at some point. Now you're showing your true colors escorpia.

You think that everyone else owes them something and you don't care what they have to do to obtain it. You have no respect for civilized behaviour at all.

"Then it will be taken from you."

No, I assure you it won't. I and many others like me would have no problem defending our liberties and our property, our prosperity and our opportunities, by whatever means are necessary without a moment's hesitation.

Now we know who you are - you've shown yourself - a common thief with no honor and no respect. Someone who supports others who are the same. Someone who simply doesn't get the idea of civilization and who shouldn't be treated as though he does.

You can try to wrap this up in a shroud of fake cultural pride and fake pleas for generousity but you're not going to fool anyone any longer.

If generousity fails you, you support theft.

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

Someone who simply doesn't get the idea of civilization and who shouldn't be treated as though he does.

Originally Posted by Mike33

This issue is huge and the truth seems to be that, short of murdering people who illegally enter thru Mexico or a complete social and economic evolution within Mexico, the future will only see more illegal immigration.

The solutions put forth are short term and really don't solve the problem. Guest worker programs and amnesty will do nothing to stop the flow of illegal immigration from Mexico. Making the process for obtaining legal immigration easier will not stop the flow of illegal immigration either. So long as the enormous disparity between the two nations exist, people will risk everything to come over. We don't see this happen between Canada and the US because both countries offer so much to their own citizens (in the way of freedoms, opportunity, etc) so their is little necessity to risk life and limb to live illegally in either of the two countries when you already have citizenship in one of them. Whenever you have drastic economic and social differences in neighboring nations, you'll find people trying to escape into the better country.

I'm not up on my history and the hows and whys of how things came to be this way but it is this way. It seems to be me there is only two possibilities for the future. One is that large parts of current day America will become essentially extensions of Mexico (California already is?). The other possibility is that their will be a revolution in Mexico, perhaps with the assistence of the US, that will bring Mexico into the realm of a first world nation. When that happens, illegally immigration would be a issue of the past.

So I guess we should want to see more of this: 1) opening of equitable trade and industry between the two nations 2) pressure from Mexicans, Mexican-Americans, and the US on the Mexican government for reforms and to eliminate the corruption that goes on within it.

These suggestions may seem outlandish and may be we are nowhere near implementing such steps but I don't see this issue going away without them. Either the US becomes hugely Mexican-ized (and some may argue there is no problem in this at all - this is how nations evolve), or the US remains pretty much as it is with a re-invented Mexico to its south.

Originally Posted by candyflip

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

Originally Posted by GotGauge

MR. PRESIDENT, I'M HEADED TO MEXICO
Dear President Bush:
I'm about to plan a little trip with my family and extended family, and I
would like to ask you to assist me. I'm going to walk across the
border from the U.S. into Mexico, and I need to make a few arrangements. I
know you can help with this.

I plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration quotas
and laws. I'm sure they handle those things the same way you do
here. So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Vicente Fox, that I'm
on my way over? Please let him know that I will be expecting the
following:

1. Free medical care for my entire family.
2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might need,
whether I use them or not.
3. All government forms need to be printed in English.
4. I want my kids to be taught by English-speaking teachers.
5. Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.
6. I want my kids to see the American flag flying on the top of the flag
pole at their school with the Mexican flag flying lower down.
7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and lunch.
8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy access to
government services.
9. I do not plan to have any car insurance, and I won't make any effort to
learn local traffic laws.
10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo from
Pres. Fox to leave me alone, please be sure that all police
officers speak English.
11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put flag decals on my
car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any
complaints or negative comments from the locals.
12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, and don't
enforce any labor laws or tax laws.
13. Please tell all the people in the country to be extremely nice and never
say a critical word about me, or about the strain I might place on
the economy.
I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things for
all the people who come to the U.S. from Mexico. I am sure that
Pres. Fox won't mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely. However, if
he gives you any trouble, just invite him to go quail
hunting with your V.P.
Thank you so much for your kind help.

Originally Posted by seven

:thumbsup agreed 100%. No amount of crying, bitching or minuteman projects will ever stop them from coming in until Mexico has a better economy.. sad but true :(

Originally Posted by escorpio

You've shown yourself for what you are. A greedy pig with no regard for others.

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

Nonsense, ask anyone who deals with me, I am fair and straightforward in my dealings. When someone has something or some opportunity that can benefit both parties mutually I act with respect and care.

What you are proposing is that simply because one person has more than someone else they are obligated to give something away to the other. That is not how productive people (or societies for that matter) behave. It would mean not having that 'regard' for the person who happens to have already acquired what you want.

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

Bull shit, you can try to backpeddle all you want, you're not fooling anyone now after reading the above. You support theft.

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

Escorpia is your new name, get used to it. Maybe if you get in touch with your feminine side you'll learn something about how civilized people conduct themselves with one another, namely that theft and activities tantamount to extortion are not acceptable.

Originally Posted by escorpio

You don't have to give away any of your pie. Just the opportunity to work for a piece of it.

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

Maybe if you get in touch with your feminine side you'll learn something about how civilized people conduct themselves with one another, namely that theft and activities tantamount to extortion are not acceptable.

Originally Posted by escorpio

If I ever meet you I'll help you get even more it touch by beating the teeth out of your head then skull fucking your cock hungry face. :)

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

You support theft and try to hide behind some feel good nonsense about compassion when you're not busy yelling 'racist' or 'xenophobe'. You say anything that you think might get you your way. Your kind always ends up losing, because your type is a loser. That's cold hard reality slapping you in the face.

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

Escorpia, the little keyboard warrior, showing your true colors again. Someday if you try real hard you might learn how civilized people behave with one another. Then maybe, just maybe escorpia you might learn what it is to be a man.

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

Ah, so you also want to put your dick inside of another man. Now your problem is becoming clearer. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

You can blame the nasty gringos all you want for your own problems escorpia, but it lies within yourself.

Originally Posted by escorpio

You're not a man. A real man doesn't say shit on the keyboard he wouldn't say to man's face.

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

You said that you want to engage in homosexual sex.
Now you are trying to tell me that I am not a man :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by escorpio

Homosexual rape is a great way to let a bitch know he's a bitch. Trick I learned in prison. :winkwink:

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

escorpio, what are you talking about? Illegal immigration? Immigration? Or a war on the american southwest?

I'm confused :)

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

Exactly. The problem is that the laws do not provide punishment commensurate to the crimes that are being committed.

What is being discussed by our government is turning these into felony offenses so that the violators would not be treated so kindly. The laws and the consequences of breaking these laws are not effective against these people. When most visitors come to the USA they behave as most visitors do when travelling to any foreign country. They are grateful for being received and abide by the laws of the country they enter.

These people do not.

Therefore they need to be dealt with more severely.

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

LOL
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I said before that if you tried real hard, someday you might learn what it is like to be civilized, and to be a man. I was wrong, you will never know these things.

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

Keep up the good work dipshit, I'm sure you've won yourself a ton of supporters in this thread :thumbsup

Originally Posted by Cristie

Any suggestions?

Originally Posted by Chief

Yeah you can overthrow whole nations and setup revolutionary Governments in hostile parts of the world, but you can't stop people from crossing your border. God America is destined to be a cesspool, it's almost amazing how a nation with such material wealth can have such a vast lack of intelligence.

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

Sure, just what the government is trying to pass into law now... turning this into a felony offense so that it's not viewed as a little game to be played by the illegals. They also want to secure the border with a wall. It's all really quite simple, those don't like the idea try to make it out to be a big complex issue though when it is not.

Originally Posted by Chief

Yeah you can overthrow whole nations and setup revolutionary Governments in hostile parts of the world, but you can't stop people from crossing your border. God America is destined to be a cesspool, it's almost amazing how a nation with such material wealth can have such a vast lack of intelligence.

Originally Posted by TurboAngel

Ok I haven't said a word about this so hear it goes......my great grand parents came over here on the boat to Ellis Island. They came from Italy and didn't speak English but they sure as hell learned and made this country better. He ran the town store and was the the mayor of a small town called Roseto PA. If it wasn't for him most of the people would have starved during the depression. They also became LEAGAL immigrants.

http://www.city-data.com/city/Roseto-Pennsylvania.html

Originally Posted by escorpio

:1orglaugh Says the in touch with his feminine side shit talking keyboard warrior.

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

Sure, just what the government is trying to pass into law now... turning this into a felony offense so that it's not viewed as a little game to be played by the illegals. They also want to secure the border with a wall. It's all really quite simple, those don't like the idea try to make it out to be a big complex issue though when it is not.

Originally Posted by seven

You are not following the news are you? gov is not trying to pass it anymore. senate bill doesn't include that at all.. too bad for people who wants running redlights be turned into felony crimes :Oh crap :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

I watched the news this morning. The same laws are being drafted up again in a new proposal. This time they'll probably have more support due to the 'mexicans not working and being truant' day

Originally Posted by seven

Got any URL where I could get updated on that issue? I'm watching news as i'm posting here no mention of any such :(

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

hehe, you can think whatever you want of me or imagine me an easy target or something if that settles your little mind... if you saw me in person, you'd likely have a very different opinion though, I'm not really somone you'd probably want to tangle with. I'm not one to threaten people over the internet, so I'll just leave it at that.

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

Well you're the one that keeps bringing this stuff up on a message board, so if you did not mention it for support of your cause then for what? I've exposed you for what you are here, do you think your opinions will be taken seriously by anyone who has read this now? Do you think people reading this will take others who share your view with the same consideration as before now?

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

I'm done with you now. :321GFY

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

I cant support amnesty or a guest worker program, but I am all for improving the speed at which people can emigrate and become full American citizens. That way we can all share in the burden as taxpayers, all have the right to vote, and all gain the benefits of being a full citizen.

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

I cant support amnesty or a guest worker program, but I am all for improving the speed at which people can emigrate and become full American citizens. That way we can all share in the burden as taxpayers, all have the right to vote, and all gain the benefits of being a full citizen.

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

I cant support amnesty or a guest worker program, but I am all for improving the speed at which people can emigrate and become full American citizens. That way we can all share in the burden as taxpayers, all have the right to vote, and all gain the benefits of being a full citizen.