I just got back from the FSC meeting... - GoFuckYourself.com

xxxjay · 04-20-2006, 09:57 PM

Among the topics discussed is Utah spam bill (should be called "scam" bill -- this really will not effect many here unless they mail), the Atlanta Court of Appeals CP ruling, dot xxx, the porn tax, political activism, and (of course) 2257 -- which is a long way from being over.

If anyone has any questions about what was said...post them here and I will tell you what I heard. I was there for the whole meeting and had a good chance to chat with the board members and layers before and after the even.

So, post you questyion if you are curious about anything.

Juicy D. Links · 04-20-2006, 09:58 PM

Some highlights about that spam bill please

dissipate · 04-20-2006, 09:59 PM

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Some highlights about that spam bill please

The utah spam bill is fucking rediculous

Imortyl Pussycat · 04-20-2006, 10:00 PM

I'm not political and you said anything....so this is what I want to know: how much does your cat weigh and do you have any pics?? I've heard a lot about it.

baddog · 04-20-2006, 10:06 PM

damn it, I knew there was something I was supposed to do tonight

Pornwolf · 04-20-2006, 10:23 PM

Utah spam bill. What did it say?

american pervert · 04-20-2006, 10:57 PM

how did they feel about the effectivness of a cocaine close?

Pornwolf · 04-20-2006, 11:06 PM

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how did they feel about the effectivness of a cocaine close?

Huh? What??

RogerV · 04-20-2006, 11:08 PM

can i move back to the states

xxxjay · 04-20-2006, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

Some highlights about that spam bill please

Basicly, the law is being pushed through by a for profit company that will scrub email lists so that nobody is potentially emailing minors. To have your list scrubed it costs .5 cent per email. The FSC is fighting the case in Utah. About a dozen states are considering similar bills, but haven't enacted any of them till they see how things pan out in Utah.

Were the real problem is...if it passes in Utah...other states will quickly follow...so in a nightmare scenerio...you could be paying out a private company .5 cents per email times 50.

Major scam.

Aly · 04-20-2006, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

damn it, I knew there was something I was supposed to do tonight

I just said the exact same thing out loud.

shit.

Aly · 04-20-2006, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornwolf

Huh? What??

ahha.... and then I just said that exact same thing out loud!

HUH???

dissipate · 04-20-2006, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

Basicly, the law is being pushed through by a for profit company that will scrub email lists so that nobody is potentially emailing minors. To have your list scrubed it costs .5 cent per email. The FSC is fighting the case in Utah. About a dozen states are considering similar bills, but haven't enacted any of them till they see how things pan out in Utah.

Were the real problem is...if it passes in Utah...other states will quickly follow...so in a nightmare scenerio...you could be paying out a private company .5 cents per email times 50.

Major scam.

There's another interesting point. There is no garuntee that the scrubbed e-mails actually originate in Utah. Anyone can register for the database which the company offering the scrubbing (http://www.usnpam.com). Also, another interesting point is the case of shared e-mail addresses. Say a husband and a wife share an e-mail address. The husband OPTS IN to your e-mail list, however the wife puts that e-mail on the Utah spam lists. You would still be fined and penalized for that e-mail.

Oh, by the way, this scrubbing isnt a one time thing. The Utah law requires that your list be scrubbed ONCE PER MONTH.

marketsmart · 04-20-2006, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dissipate

There's another interesting point. There is no garuntee that the scrubbed e-mails actually originate in Utah. Anyone can register for the database which the company offering the scrubbing (http://www.usnpam.com). Also, another interesting point is the case of shared e-mail addresses. Say a husband and a wife share an e-mail address. The husband OPTS IN to your e-mail list, however the wife puts that e-mail on the Utah spam lists. You would still be fined and penalized for that e-mail.

Oh, by the way, this scrubbing isnt a one time thing. The Utah law requires that your list be scrubbed ONCE PER MONTH.

so it would be $50k per million once a month... lol... yeah you will see a spike in offshore companies....

xxxjay · 04-20-2006, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dissipate

Oh, by the way, this scrubbing isnt a one time thing. The Utah law requires that your list be scrubbed ONCE PER MONTH.

Yep, I forgot to mention that .5 cents times your number or emails times once a month to comply.

Major scam. USNSpam will get rich quick if these laws pass.

Not only could you face criminal persecution...whoever got those emails would then have the oppertunity to sue you in civil court. And, believe me, they will.

This would totally wipe out revenue programs earn through member / ex-member mailers and after a while the affiliates can kiss the $35 PPS goodbye.

xxxjay · 04-20-2006, 11:32 PM

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so it would be $50k per million once a month... lol... yeah you will see a spike in offshore companies....

I'm pretty sure they arrest spammer overseas all the time.

dissipate · 04-20-2006, 11:33 PM

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I'm pretty sure they arrest spammer overseas all the time.

Moving offshore is more complicated than you think. Even if you have an associate overseas registering the company - good luck repatriating those funds to the US.

Pornwolf · 04-20-2006, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

so it would be $50k per million once a month... lol... yeah you will see a spike in offshore companies....

I think we saw a spike in those 2 years ago thanks to the start of the Can Spam talk.

xxxjay · 04-20-2006, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dissipate

Moving offshore is more complicated than you think. Even if you have an associate overseas registering the company - good luck repatriating those funds to the US.

If you want to do business in the US, you have to comply with US law.

Look what Google had to do to get into China.

marketsmart · 04-20-2006, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

If you want to do business in the US, you have to comply with US law.

Look what Google had to do to get into China.

there are of course ways around this...

marketsmart · 04-20-2006, 11:46 PM

oh btw.. does this law apply to mainstream too?

dissipate · 04-20-2006, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

If you want to do business in the US, you have to comply with US law.

Look what Google had to do to get into China.

Exactly, and there's no way around that. Even with 2257.

xxxjay · 04-21-2006, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

oh btw.. does this law apply to mainstream too?

Yes, I believe it does.

dissipate · 04-21-2006, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

Yes, I believe it does.

yes, it applies to everyone

V_RocKs · 04-21-2006, 12:17 AM

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damn it, I knew there was something I was supposed to do tonight

You already had enough pics of Joan Irvine, remember?

WWC · 04-21-2006, 12:20 AM

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damn it, I knew there was something I was supposed to do tonight

i emailed everyone who is registered to WWC..but no worries i had hired a videographer and will have the full video of the meeting on our site soon ;-)

Pornwolf · 04-21-2006, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by dissipate

Exactly, and there's no way around that. Even with 2257.

Bwahaha, I guess everyone hasn't gotten that memo.

xxxjay · 04-21-2006, 12:35 AM

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i emailed everyone who is registered to WWC..but no worries i had hired a videographer and will have the full video of the meeting on our site soon ;-)

Yeah, that was a good idea dude.

Juicy D. Links · 04-21-2006, 03:34 AM

Ii moving back to Nicaragua

xxxjay · 04-21-2006, 04:25 AM

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Ii moving back to Nicaragua

Probably a safe move. LOL

Odin · 04-21-2006, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

This would totally wipe out revenue programs earn through member / ex-member mailers and after a while the affiliates can kiss the $35 PPS goodbye.

Sell your ex-member emails to me, I'll pay top dollar and I won't be paying anyone .5cents to scrub shit.

xxxjay · 04-21-2006, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief

Sell your ex-member emails to me, I'll pay top dollar and I won't be paying anyone .5cents to scrub shit.

ok..........

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