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Discuss what's fucking going on, and which programs are best and worst. One-time "program" announcements from "established" webmasters are allowed. |
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#101 |
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Taking it to 100!
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#102 |
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One of the people I totally respect and trust in this business, as an affiliate, it Steve Lightspeed.
Why? Because every day I see what I'm earning with him, the other sponsors I have to go to their site and find out. Steve emails me. Wonder why other sponsors don't put these figures out as Steve does? Maybe they don't want you comparing the figures every morning. ![]() Even I as a sponsor don't do it. ![]() |
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#103 | |
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But do you really think the cross sell and upsell market is that good today, it's good but not fantastic? We are selling to an experienced surfer, he's wary of a lot of the spin we put out. especially from a low quality site. If he hits a great site then he will look at the other sites promoted there. And when he leaves he might stop spending on your site. As I said look at the amount on the check, not on the sponsors banner. |
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#104 |
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There is something seriously wrong with this business if all but a handful of sites have to rely on the "tricks" generally associated with the PPS model to attract affiliates and still make a profit. Not least because surfers have to hate the crap we pull on them, so we are making our job harder and harder as time goes by. Online porn cannot hope to be anything but the poor relation of the adult entertainment industry until we start selling what people really want to buy, and doing so in a straightforward manner.
But realistically, nothing is going to change any time soon. Although some sponsors run successful revshare programs, they are a tiny minority and overwhelmed by the numbers who give revshare a bad name. Many startup programs choose revshare because they don't have the resources to fund PPS, but a lot also don't have the resources to build sites that will retain members. There are a few sponsors running revshare programs but their surfers still get the full bag of PPS cross-sells, up-sells, etc: you have to assume these programs are deliberately screwing their affiliates. Although affiliates should earn less for (near) instant payouts and definitely should not be supporting the methods needed to deliver those payouts, most affiliates love PPS. Affiliates who consider switching to revshare face losing time and money while they sift through hundreds of revshare programs trying to find the dozen or two which work as they should: it's a much slower and less certain process than looking for decent PPS sponsors. Worse, there simply aren't enough good revshare programs for us all to promote, even if we wanted to. |
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#105 | |
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But in a section of the porn industry that regards content so low what do you expect? Why do magazines pay $2200 for a set, movie companies $50,000 for a video? Because they know the value of keeping a client. More important is how do they afford it. This industry concentrates itself largely on getting a new member to replace the one that left, rather than retain the members it has. There will always be a turn over of clients, due to the nature of the business, but remember we are talking about a member hardly staying 2 months to make $30 a viable pay out. Then they blame the nature of the medium rather than what is delivered. But it will change and is starting to. |
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#106 | |
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We have the $$ to have PPS..we simply choose not to...we are developing a product to hopefully out last a lot of the competition.... Things are DEFINITELY headed for a shakeup...you can count on it. Ever wonder what would happen to this industry if a processor the size of paycom had to go under? Sure we would never hear about it.."everything would be fine" and "no trouble here"....right up until the day they close up shop... We felt it once before with someone who did not have quite the market share as them....and a lot of programs bit the dust over night..... If affiliates and programs alike cannot get the idea or learn from the history...then they are doomed to repeat it....would be great to see who scrambles for revshare then.....its funny how some affiliates come out and blame programs for shaving this...cross selling that...i want no console tours....oh yeah..and $35 per join...LOL Why is the payout the only thing that cannot change with the times? $35 per join was set almost 10 YEARS ago.....name me something that has not changed in this biz in 10 years...... just plain makes you laugh....we are here to make $$ as much as the next guy and that is really the ultimate goal.....we are just lucky not no have to do it "right now" and can go revshare......we have contemplated a PPS model...but right now we think the market is just too volatile for it. but we will be around a long time....so i guess we will see.
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#107 | |
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That's right..
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#108 | |
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You're the idiot if you still believe the revshare gospel.
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#109 | |
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Troels....feel free to believe whatever you like...keep on pushing the PPS model and contribute to the problem.....i am sure you would be one of the first affiliates on here crying if a program goes belly up owing you a check.... we are building in new ways for loya affiliates to make $$ with us...and for the record i DO offer PPS...but i only offer it to loyal affiliates whos traffic is up to par.....not any TGP idiot who pushes shitty surfers my way to try and lose me $$ so they can pad their pockets at my expense.... Got 3-5 sales a day of decent traffic? I will give you PPS also...real 1st page raw counts and 1:600 or so conversions on it.....but like i said...its not open to everyone.
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#110 |
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I totally agree! We have a ton of members who have been rebilling since 2001 and they are NOT people who forgot to check their statements and don't know they are members lol.
They suggest photoshoots they would like to see or ask for a certain type of video and we accomodate them. Our members are not just peeking in, they are active participants and that is what makes them keep rebilling. AmateurWealth, if you think your numbers are rocking right now, wait till you see them 6 months from now. What I honestly love to see is the stats of some webmasters that have been with us for a while. You will see them make 2 or 3 sales a day and have 20 or more rebills every day. They are making a killing on sending just a small number of sales. |
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#111 |
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Well, I can see we send out more signups a day than you recieve, and most of them come from the same site. Site is divided into niches for maximum filtering.
The site has a custom build script that auto-ranks sponsors based on value per click sent out (for each niche). So, if a pps sponsors shaves they automatically move down the list and get less traffic. Doesn't matter if they pay out $5 per signup or $5000 per signup, it's based on value per click sent out. End result? Best paysites (for us) are listed on top. Ask me how many partnership programs are #1 in any niche where both % and pps sponsors are present? I actually don't know... but I can take a look ![]() And we have the volume in most niches to make it statistically correct.
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#112 | |
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That sounds great Troels...as i stated different people have different results...and from what you are saying you are doing very well based on the way you have decided to track your income. $$ per click is probably the best overall guage for someone with your type of traffic. Give us a test....i will gladly set you to PPS and see how we compare. And if you do gather that info...please share it with us.... ![]()
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#113 | |
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#114 | |
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#115 |
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Ofcourse we set partnership programs with artificial per signup value to boost their rankings if we believe the site has quality. It then gradually moves towards the true value per signup - usually down. Still doesn't matter though. The value per click will still go up even if we launch a new site at the bottom of a niche IF the product is superior to its competition.
3 years rebill is a myth/rarity. The script will count them but we're talking very very very few signups, not enough to alter average value much. Re: busty-amateurs. I lost a lot on them, and other revshare programs that just died = no updates, change of loginarea, pissed off members blabla. Stuff I do not want to worry about. Doesn't have to be the progam itself even. Imagine all the rebills people have lost on Ibill partnership programs. And the AVS systems? Didn't they stop all rebills when they got hit? Tons of money lost there as well for affiliates.
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#116 |
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The script counts rebills was what I wanted to say. Getting late. I'm off.
From what I can tell normal partnership program value per signup is $22 if they have trials. At 60/40 that would mean $33 which is actually more than I thought total value would be. But you'd have to ask partnership owners for that number.
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#117 |
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the numbers are off - IT IS getting late. Adios.
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#118 |
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Rev Share is definitely the way to go! CamazonCash is paying 50% revshare and our stuff converts!!!
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#119 |
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People should continue to use both.
$/click earned is the only way to count income regardless.
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#121 |
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good thread
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#122 |
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bump for how much are you getting per member now
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I have never said that revshare didn't pay that's for sure.
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#125 |
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of course revshare makes more $$ - that's what PER SIGNUP sponsors are counting on to make THEM money.
it all comes back to the traffic sources and how the member is handled during the signup process |
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