So...who says REVSHARE does not pay?? - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

newbreed · 04-19-2006, 12:49 AM

Taking it to 100!

Paul Markham · 04-19-2006, 12:50 AM

One of the people I totally respect and trust in this business, as an affiliate, it Steve Lightspeed.

Why? Because every day I see what I'm earning with him, the other sponsors I have to go to their site and find out. Steve emails me.

Wonder why other sponsors don't put these figures out as Steve does?

Maybe they don't want you comparing the figures every morning.

Even I as a sponsor don't do it.

Paul Markham · 04-19-2006, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by datatank

Nothing is wrong with it. I was just saying there are people out there that might know a thing or two more about milking every last cent out of a surfer.

I know there are and I talk to them. I know we get great traffic from other paysites and from site like review sites.

But do you really think the cross sell and upsell market is that good today, it's good but not fantastic?

We are selling to an experienced surfer, he's wary of a lot of the spin we put out. especially from a low quality site. If he hits a great site then he will look at the other sites promoted there.

And when he leaves he might stop spending on your site.

As I said look at the amount on the check, not on the sponsors banner.

jayeff · 04-19-2006, 01:23 AM

There is something seriously wrong with this business if all but a handful of sites have to rely on the "tricks" generally associated with the PPS model to attract affiliates and still make a profit. Not least because surfers have to hate the crap we pull on them, so we are making our job harder and harder as time goes by. Online porn cannot hope to be anything but the poor relation of the adult entertainment industry until we start selling what people really want to buy, and doing so in a straightforward manner.

But realistically, nothing is going to change any time soon. Although some sponsors run successful revshare programs, they are a tiny minority and overwhelmed by the numbers who give revshare a bad name. Many startup programs choose revshare because they don't have the resources to fund PPS, but a lot also don't have the resources to build sites that will retain members. There are a few sponsors running revshare programs but their surfers still get the full bag of PPS cross-sells, up-sells, etc: you have to assume these programs are deliberately screwing their affiliates.

Although affiliates should earn less for (near) instant payouts and definitely should not be supporting the methods needed to deliver those payouts, most affiliates love PPS. Affiliates who consider switching to revshare face losing time and money while they sift through hundreds of revshare programs trying to find the dozen or two which work as they should: it's a much slower and less certain process than looking for decent PPS sponsors. Worse, there simply aren't enough good revshare programs for us all to promote, even if we wanted to.

Paul Markham · 04-19-2006, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jayeff

There is something seriously wrong with this business if all but a handful of sites have to rely on the "tricks" generally associated with the PPS model to attract affiliates and still make a profit. Not least because surfers have to hate the crap we pull on them, so we are making our job harder and harder as time goes by. Online porn cannot hope to be anything but the poor relation of the adult entertainment industry until we start selling what people really want to buy, and doing so in a straightforward manner.

But realistically, nothing is going to change any time soon. Although some sponsors run successful revshare programs, they are a tiny minority and overwhelmed by the numbers who give revshare a bad name. Many startup programs choose revshare because they don't have the resources to fund PPS, but a lot also don't have the resources to build sites that will retain members. There are a few sponsors running revshare programs but their surfers still get the full bag of PPS cross-sells, up-sells, etc: you have to assume these programs are deliberately screwing their affiliates.

Although affiliates should earn less for (near) instant payouts and definitely should not be supporting the methods needed to deliver those payouts, most affiliates love PPS. Affiliates who consider switching to revshare face losing time and money while they sift through hundreds of revshare programs trying to find the dozen or two which work as they should: it's a much slower and less certain process than looking for decent PPS sponsors. Worse, there simply aren't enough good revshare programs for us all to promote, even if we wanted to.

Awesome post.

But in a section of the porn industry that regards content so low what do you expect? Why do magazines pay $2200 for a set, movie companies $50,000 for a video? Because they know the value of keeping a client. More important is how do they afford it.

This industry concentrates itself largely on getting a new member to replace the one that left, rather than retain the members it has. There will always be a turn over of clients, due to the nature of the business, but remember we are talking about a member hardly staying 2 months to make $30 a viable pay out.

Then they blame the nature of the medium rather than what is delivered.

But it will change and is starting to.

AmateurWealth · 04-19-2006, 04:14 AM

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Then they blame the nature of the medium rather than what is delivered.

But it will change and is starting to.

Finally! somone with some sense and knowledge...

We have the $$ to have PPS..we simply choose not to...we are developing a product to hopefully out last a lot of the competition....

Things are DEFINITELY headed for a shakeup...you can count on it.

Ever wonder what would happen to this industry if a processor the size of paycom had to go under?

Sure we would never hear about it.."everything would be fine" and "no trouble here"....right up until the day they close up shop...

We felt it once before with someone who did not have quite the market share as them....and a lot of programs bit the dust over night.....

If affiliates and programs alike cannot get the idea or learn from the history...then they are doomed to repeat it....would be great to see who scrambles for revshare then.....its funny how some affiliates come out and blame programs for shaving this...cross selling that...i want no console tours....oh yeah..and $35 per join...LOL

Why is the payout the only thing that cannot change with the times?
$35 per join was set almost 10 YEARS ago.....name me something that has not changed in this biz in 10 years......

just plain makes you laugh....we are here to make $$ as much as the next guy and that is really the ultimate goal.....we are just lucky not no have to do it "right now" and can go revshare......we have contemplated a PPS model...but right now we think the market is just too volatile for it.

but we will be around a long time....so i guess we will see.

Troels · 04-19-2006, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by AmateurWealth

So..there has been some speculation and debunking going on lately on revshare not working for affiliates???

LOL

our first 45 days....program wide averages!!

885 joins $18,245.00 paid out to affiliates....

$20.61 AVERAGE PER JOIN ....not to mention month 2 not even over yet!!!

next month this will easily exceed $30 per join....sorry...but i have to chuckle at the fact you say PPS is ALWAYS better than revshare.....just not true ...

Our affiliates are taking it to the bank.....and in only 60 days.....not 6 months...

Oh yeah...AND we did it with no exits,shaving...or anything else.....

We tried one pre checked cross...but pulled it....not to our liking...

One day everyone will get the picture.....quality still sells AND retains!!!

Don't know if you have trials or not, but if you do, then why the fuck don't you pay per signup for all us idiots and skim the extra profits.

That's right..

Troels · 04-19-2006, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by seven

I already gave you my final word. You are an idiot. Now, please go back and read the posts so you can put things in its context.

HAHA REVSHRE MAKES MORE MONIES NOOB

Given same trial price, length and payout then no, you as an affiliate will make less per click sent. Even if the value/click came close to pps due to high % or insane rebill amount you'd still have to factor in the risk factor (busty-amateurs).

You're the idiot if you still believe the revshare gospel.

AmateurWealth · 04-19-2006, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Troels

Given same trial price, length and payout then no, you as an affiliate will make less per click sent. Even if the value/click came close to pps due to high % or insane rebill amount you'd still have to factor in the risk factor (busty-amateurs).

You're the idiot if you still believe the revshare gospel.

Troels....feel free to believe whatever you like...keep on pushing the PPS model and contribute to the problem.....i am sure you would be one of the first affiliates on here crying if a program goes belly up owing you a check....

we are building in new ways for loya affiliates to make $$ with us...and for the record i DO offer PPS...but i only offer it to loyal affiliates whos traffic is up to par.....not any TGP idiot who pushes shitty surfers my way to try and lose me $$ so they can pad their pockets at my expense....

Got 3-5 sales a day of decent traffic? I will give you PPS also...real 1st page raw counts and 1:600 or so conversions on it.....but like i said...its not open to everyone.

wyldblyss · 04-19-2006, 06:17 AM

I totally agree! We have a ton of members who have been rebilling since 2001 and they are NOT people who forgot to check their statements and don't know they are members lol.

They suggest photoshoots they would like to see or ask for a certain type of video and we accomodate them.

Our members are not just peeking in, they are active participants and that is what makes them keep rebilling.

AmateurWealth, if you think your numbers are rocking right now, wait till you see them 6 months from now. What I honestly love to see is the stats of some webmasters that have been with us for a while. You will see them make 2 or 3 sales a day and have 20 or more rebills every day. They are making a killing on sending just a small number of sales.

Troels · 04-19-2006, 06:50 AM

Well, I can see we send out more signups a day than you recieve, and most of them come from the same site. Site is divided into niches for maximum filtering.

The site has a custom build script that auto-ranks sponsors based on value per click sent out (for each niche). So, if a pps sponsors shaves they automatically move down the list and get less traffic. Doesn't matter if they pay out $5 per signup or $5000 per signup, it's based on value per click sent out. End result? Best paysites (for us) are listed on top.

Ask me how many partnership programs are #1 in any niche where both % and pps sponsors are present?

I actually don't know... but I can take a look

My bet is on zero.
And we have the volume in most niches to make it statistically correct.

AmateurWealth · 04-19-2006, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Troels

Well, I can see we send out more signups a day than you recieve, and most of them come from the same site. Site is divided into niches for maximum filtering.

The site has a custom build script that auto-ranks sponsors based on value per click sent out (for each niche). So, if a pps sponsors shaves they automatically move down the list and get less traffic. Doesn't matter if they pay out $5 per signup or $5000 per signup, it's based on value per click sent out. End result? Best paysites (for us) are listed on top.

Ask me how many partnership programs are #1 in any niche where both % and pps sponsors are present?

I actually don't know... but I can take a look

My bet is on zero.
And we have the volume in most niches to make it statistically correct.

That sounds great Troels...as i stated different people have different results...and from what you are saying you are doing very well based on the way you have decided to track your income.

$$ per click is probably the best overall guage for someone with your type of traffic.

Give us a test....i will gladly set you to PPS and see how we compare.

And if you do gather that info...please share it with us....

seven · 04-19-2006, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by AmateurWealth

and for the record i DO offer PPS...but i only offer it to loyal affiliates whos traffic is up to par.....not any TGP idiot who pushes shitty surfers my way to try and lose me $$ so they can pad their pockets at my expense....

hmm.. that could be a good idea. 1 of the reasons we do not want to offer PPS cause then we have to worry about cheaters getting in the mix. We have no time for that, we are already doing well could care less about bringing in extra headaches. But have to admit all this talk here making me consider a PPS model as an option too thou.. will see in the future.

seven · 04-19-2006, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Troels

Well, I can see we send out more signups a day than you recieve, and most of them come from the same site. Site is divided into niches for maximum filtering.

The site has a custom build script that auto-ranks sponsors based on value per click sent out (for each niche). So, if a pps sponsors shaves they automatically move down the list and get less traffic. Doesn't matter if they pay out $5 per signup or $5000 per signup, it's based on value per click sent out. End result? Best paysites (for us) are listed on top.

Ask me how many partnership programs are #1 in any niche where both % and pps sponsors are present?

I actually don't know... but I can take a look

My bet is on zero.
And we have the volume in most niches to make it statistically correct.

But sounds to me like your script counts value per click based on initial payout amount so definitely with PPS you are gonna see higher values immediately whereas much much lower with revshare cause cetrainly your script is not gonna wait around 3 years to see what the real value per click now becomes then. I'd say in that case don't even bother using any revshare in your mix. Also, you mentioned busty-amateurs in your post before? Busty-amateurs went belly up when like 5 or 6 years ago? Don't you think it's time for you to move on? lol. Look around you'll see other great revshare programs like karups, ATK, BOB etc. still around still paying webmasters for years besides I could also name quite a few PPS that went belly up owing lots of webmasters lots of money and nothing less than what busty-amateurs owed webmasters if not more

Troels · 04-19-2006, 08:04 AM

Ofcourse we set partnership programs with artificial per signup value to boost their rankings if we believe the site has quality. It then gradually moves towards the true value per signup - usually down. Still doesn't matter though. The value per click will still go up even if we launch a new site at the bottom of a niche IF the product is superior to its competition.

3 years rebill is a myth/rarity. The script will count them but we're talking very very very few signups, not enough to alter average value much.

Re: busty-amateurs.
I lost a lot on them, and other revshare programs that just died = no updates, change of loginarea, pissed off members blabla. Stuff I do not want to worry about. Doesn't have to be the progam itself even. Imagine all the rebills people have lost on Ibill partnership programs. And the AVS systems? Didn't they stop all rebills when they got hit? Tons of money lost there as well for affiliates.

Troels · 04-19-2006, 08:12 AM

The script counts rebills was what I wanted to say. Getting late. I'm off.
From what I can tell normal partnership program value per signup is $22 if they have trials.
At 60/40 that would mean $33 which is actually more than I thought total value would be. But you'd have to ask partnership owners for that number.

Troels · 04-19-2006, 08:16 AM

the numbers are off - IT IS getting late. Adios.
Couldnt edit :/

myjah · 04-19-2006, 08:24 AM

Rev Share is definitely the way to go! CamazonCash is paying 50% revshare and our stuff converts!!!

Tom_PM · 04-19-2006, 08:26 AM

People should continue to use both.
$/click earned is the only way to count income regardless.

seven · 04-19-2006, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Troels

Ofcourse we set partnership programs with artificial per signup value to boost their rankings if we believe the site has quality. It then gradually moves towards the true value per signup - usually down. Still doesn't matter though. The value per click will still go up even if we launch a new site at the bottom of a niche IF the product is superior to its competition.

If you use artificial per signup value to boost rankings the rankings shouldn't go down just cause it's a revshare in reality. If it's a competitive sites with good content/regular updates etc. it should go per with an equal quality site.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Troels

3 years rebill is a myth/rarity. The script will count them but we're talking very very very few signups, not enough to alter average value much.

Is not a myth/rarity to us since we got a lot of them however, not meaning to say all signups go 3 years obviously less than the # rebilling for 2 years and less than the # rebilling 2 years.

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Originally Posted by Troels

Re: busty-amateurs.
I lost a lot on them, and other revshare programs that just died = no updates, change of loginarea, pissed off members blabla. Stuff I do not want to worry about. Doesn't have to be the progam itself even. Imagine all the rebills people have lost on Ibill partnership programs. And the AVS systems? Didn't they stop all rebills when they got hit? Tons of money lost there as well for affiliates.

So did I. AVS like adultcheck hurt me bad too but if they were PPS I wouldn't even be expecting those rebills to begin with. Anyways, I lost even more when some PPS I promoted went down, when their stats changed magically within hours when I got emails that I made signups but stats area said I didn't when I submitted galleries to TGPs and not be accepted because it's an overpromoted sponsor or that tgp owner promoting the same sponsor therefore gallery declined these all cause lost revenues too. Then again that's the kinda business we are in. Bottomline, i personally tried both models and I never made nearly as much money as i did with revshares so I'm definitely biased and my vote will always (so far til a miracle happens and I make more with PPS) go for revshares

bigdog · 05-20-2006, 01:49 PM

good thread

bigdog · 09-10-2006, 03:42 PM

bump for how much are you getting per member now

kenny · 09-10-2006, 03:44 PM

I have never said that revshare didn't pay that's for sure.

scottybuzz · 09-10-2006, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Franck

Id like to see your stats again in 6 months. I really dont believe in revshare anymore. 99% of the revshare programs out there cant be 35 per sale.

You can have all the fucking content you want, as exclusive as it can get. Tons of surfers sign up and before anything else they cancel their membership and THEN browse the site. For every surfer who does this you need another one rebilling for months if you want to get to the 35 per sale.

pps wouldnt be offered if revshare didnt work

d00t · 09-10-2006, 06:21 PM

of course revshare makes more $$ - that's what PER SIGNUP sponsors are counting on to make THEM money.

it all comes back to the traffic sources and how the member is handled during the signup process

04-19-2006, 12:49 AM	#101
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04-19-2006, 12:50 AM	#102
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	One of the people I totally respect and trust in this business, as an affiliate, it Steve Lightspeed. Why? Because every day I see what I'm earning with him, the other sponsors I have to go to their site and find out. Steve emails me. Wonder why other sponsors don't put these figures out as Steve does? Maybe they don't want you comparing the figures every morning. Even I as a sponsor don't do it. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70 Last edited by Paul Markham; 04-19-2006 at 12:51 AM..

04-19-2006, 06:50 AM	#111
Troels Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Between the clouds Posts: 1,035	Well, I can see we send out more signups a day than you recieve, and most of them come from the same site. Site is divided into niches for maximum filtering. The site has a custom build script that auto-ranks sponsors based on value per click sent out (for each niche). So, if a pps sponsors shaves they automatically move down the list and get less traffic. Doesn't matter if they pay out $5 per signup or $5000 per signup, it's based on value per click sent out. End result? Best paysites (for us) are listed on top. Ask me how many partnership programs are #1 in any niche where both % and pps sponsors are present? I actually don't know... but I can take a look My bet is on zero. And we have the volume in most niches to make it statistically correct. __________________ These guys steal your signups: Read here. And sexsearch.com profit from it. Check out which sponsors pay thieves here. And here's a list of clean sponsors.

04-19-2006, 08:04 AM	#115
Troels Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Between the clouds Posts: 1,035	Ofcourse we set partnership programs with artificial per signup value to boost their rankings if we believe the site has quality. It then gradually moves towards the true value per signup - usually down. Still doesn't matter though. The value per click will still go up even if we launch a new site at the bottom of a niche IF the product is superior to its competition. 3 years rebill is a myth/rarity. The script will count them but we're talking very very very few signups, not enough to alter average value much. Re: busty-amateurs. I lost a lot on them, and other revshare programs that just died = no updates, change of loginarea, pissed off members blabla. Stuff I do not want to worry about. Doesn't have to be the progam itself even. Imagine all the rebills people have lost on Ibill partnership programs. And the AVS systems? Didn't they stop all rebills when they got hit? Tons of money lost there as well for affiliates. __________________ These guys steal your signups: Read here. And sexsearch.com profit from it. Check out which sponsors pay thieves here. And here's a list of clean sponsors.

04-19-2006, 08:12 AM	#116
Troels Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Between the clouds Posts: 1,035	The script counts rebills was what I wanted to say. Getting late. I'm off. From what I can tell normal partnership program value per signup is $22 if they have trials. At 60/40 that would mean $33 which is actually more than I thought total value would be. But you'd have to ask partnership owners for that number. __________________ These guys steal your signups: Read here. And sexsearch.com profit from it. Check out which sponsors pay thieves here. And here's a list of clean sponsors.

04-19-2006, 01:23 AM	#104
jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	There is something seriously wrong with this business if all but a handful of sites have to rely on the "tricks" generally associated with the PPS model to attract affiliates and still make a profit. Not least because surfers have to hate the crap we pull on them, so we are making our job harder and harder as time goes by. Online porn cannot hope to be anything but the poor relation of the adult entertainment industry until we start selling what people really want to buy, and doing so in a straightforward manner. But realistically, nothing is going to change any time soon. Although some sponsors run successful revshare programs, they are a tiny minority and overwhelmed by the numbers who give revshare a bad name. Many startup programs choose revshare because they don't have the resources to fund PPS, but a lot also don't have the resources to build sites that will retain members. There are a few sponsors running revshare programs but their surfers still get the full bag of PPS cross-sells, up-sells, etc: you have to assume these programs are deliberately screwing their affiliates. Although affiliates should earn less for (near) instant payouts and definitely should not be supporting the methods needed to deliver those payouts, most affiliates love PPS. Affiliates who consider switching to revshare face losing time and money while they sift through hundreds of revshare programs trying to find the dozen or two which work as they should: it's a much slower and less certain process than looking for decent PPS sponsors. Worse, there simply aren't enough good revshare programs for us all to promote, even if we wanted to.

04-19-2006, 06:17 AM	#110
wyldblyss Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Buck Starts Here Posts: 5,779	I totally agree! We have a ton of members who have been rebilling since 2001 and they are NOT people who forgot to check their statements and don't know they are members lol. They suggest photoshoots they would like to see or ask for a certain type of video and we accomodate them. Our members are not just peeking in, they are active participants and that is what makes them keep rebilling. AmateurWealth, if you think your numbers are rocking right now, wait till you see them 6 months from now. What I honestly love to see is the stats of some webmasters that have been with us for a while. You will see them make 2 or 3 sales a day and have 20 or more rebills every day. They are making a killing on sending just a small number of sales.

04-19-2006, 08:16 AM	#117
Troels Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Between the clouds Posts: 1,035	the numbers are off - IT IS getting late. Adios. Couldnt edit :/ __________________ These guys steal your signups: Read here. And sexsearch.com profit from it. Check out which sponsors pay thieves here. And here's a list of clean sponsors.

04-19-2006, 08:24 AM	#118
myjah Back in the harbor Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 11,482	Rev Share is definitely the way to go! CamazonCash is paying 50% revshare and our stuff converts!!! __________________ VP of Marketing AVN Media Network Skype: AVNJill [email protected]

04-19-2006, 08:26 AM	#119
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	People should continue to use both. $/click earned is the only way to count income regardless. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

05-20-2006, 01:49 PM	#121
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	good thread

09-10-2006, 03:42 PM	#122
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	bump for how much are you getting per member now

09-10-2006, 03:44 PM	#123
kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	I have never said that revshare didn't pay that's for sure. __________________ 7

09-10-2006, 06:21 PM	#125
d00t Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In your mind Posts: 3,766	of course revshare makes more $$ - that's what PER SIGNUP sponsors are counting on to make THEM money. it all comes back to the traffic sources and how the member is handled during the signup process