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Quick Buck · 04-16-2006, 11:02 PM

how are your reality sites coming jay?

oh wait..

you don't have any.

xxxjay · 04-16-2006, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay

And FYI...this PPS / Revshare babbling in meaningless...content is king:

Here is a Quickbuck black site:
http://www.afrosluts.com/01/?nats=

Here is how we do it in the OC:
http://secure.phatbootyhoes.com/track/NDIzMDoxMDoxMA/

Here is a Quickbuck Asian site:
http://www.asiansizzle.com/01/?nats=

Here is an OCCash Asain site:
http://secure.kungpaopussy.com/track/NDIzMDoxMDox/

Here is a quickbuck interracial site:
http://www.darkmeatwhitetreat.com/01/?nats=

Here is a REAL interracial site:
http://secure.blackdickslatinchicks....DIzMDoxMDoyMA/

Here is a Quickbuck attempt at a Brazilian site:
http://www.fuckmybrazilianass.com/01/?nats=

Here is the grand daddy of all Brazilian sites:
http://secure.brazilbang.com/track/NDIzMDoxMDoxMw/

Here is a quickbuck attempt at a MILF site:
http://www.milffrenzy.com/01/?nats=

Here is a real MILF site:
http://secure.blackmotherfuckers.com...DIzMDoxMDoyNQ/

Are things clear yet? Half of your sites look like they are straight out of 1986. I could care less if you paid $100 per join.

None of that matters if nobody is buying.

So many programs just a nothing but a billing machine...they don't care about the surfers like a quility program like Bangbros does. Remember a little program called Bangbros? They were Revshare only for over 2 years. Now they are the fucking Mack Daddy.

That is the business model I would rather emulate. Quility content, happy surfers, and a well presented product -- the amazing thing is the amount of surfers that join OCCash via bookmark or type-ins...that becasue they know we have the hot shit.

Pissing about PPS vs. Revshare and not worrying about well designed sites and quality content is putting the horse before the cart.

I didn't think you'd bite on that one becasue you don't have a pot to piss in.

Quick Buck · 04-16-2006, 11:12 PM

starting an discussion and sharing your opions about a business model... $10.00

getting all the revshare only programs so worked up that they actually come up with some good arguments... $20.00

getting jay so worked up that he spends 2 days surfing our sites and selectively picking apart our business? PRICELESS.

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I've never even seen one of your sites jay... don't know if you have 1 or 1000, don't know if you bill with paycom/ccbill/ibill/yourself... didnt even know you were revshare til you said something.

I simply don't pay attention to you except that I occassionaly read your blog to see what country's hookers you've been tasting. (not cricitizing you... you're entertaining!)

I logged into occash ONE TIME to check some stats on a PRECHECKED CROSS SELL that you bought from us from one of our tours.

I have no hate for you... but you're apparently trying to make this personal.

GigoloMason · 04-16-2006, 11:13 PM

Funcitonally, it really just breaks down to a cash flow issue and it strikes me as funny that rev-share advocates say an affiliate makes more with rev-share and then goes on to say it's impossible to support $35 a signup without engauging in shady practices.

Either an affiliate does make more with PPS, albiet possibally at the expense of the surfer in your example, or the PPS model can work just fine without anything shady going on assuming the company has the cash to cover the negative cash conversion cycle that a PPS program runs.

Jay, seriously if you still can't connect the dots maybe you shouldn't be participating in business threads.

Quick Buck · 04-16-2006, 11:14 PM

i'm on east coast. have work to do tomorrow. won't be available for comment til morning.

xxxjay · 04-16-2006, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quick Buck

how are your reality sites coming jay?

oh wait..

you don't have any.

You don't know what the fuck you are talking about:

http://secure.boygirlbang.com/track/NDoxMDoyMQ/
http://secure.aluckystranger.com/track/NDoxMDoxOA/
http://secure.myfirstpornscene.com/track/NDoxMDoxNw/
http://secure.penispalooza.com/track/NDoxMDo3/
http://secure.whorewagon.com/track/NDoxMDoyNA/

I count 5.

iBanker · 04-16-2006, 11:16 PM

revshare, pps, pre-paid, pay per click.....

At the end of the day, whatever you make the most money with is best for you. I used to argue with the ins and outs of each, its pointless. Figure out what is best FOR YOU, and roll with it.

Chris

BlingDaddy · 04-16-2006, 11:35 PM

This thread kicks so much ass, I'm on page 2. I'm only bumping it now to remember to read the rest in the morning. Peace and hairgrease.

xxxjay · 04-16-2006, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GigoloMason

Funcitonally, it really just breaks down to a cash flow issue and it strikes me as funny that rev-share advocates say an affiliate makes more with rev-share and then goes on to say it's impossible to support $35 a signup without engauging in shady practices.

Either an affiliate does make more with PPS, albiet possibally at the expense of the surfer in your example, or the PPS model can work just fine without anything shady going on assuming the company has the cash to cover the negative cash conversion cycle that a PPS program runs.

Jay, seriously if you still can't connect the dots maybe you shouldn't be participating in business threads.

Wow, very condesending.

Believe it or not, I totally understand what you are saying. You pay out a lot (at a loss) to your affiliates up front and make your money back when the rebills come in. I do all of our Google Adwords personally...I grasp the concept.

Maybe I went to far to say they have to be scamming. Back in the day most programs were doing some shady shit. I know, I've been in this industry for over 8 years.

These days -- with popup blockers, a crackdown on spam, email filtering, surfers knowing to uncheck those cross sales, surfers expecting cleaner members areas...all of those additional sources of income are slowly drying up.

There is only so much you can do to cover that $35 payout for a $2.95 join. Personally, I don't like limited trials...we use a version of them but we give full access to the site you joined...the other 19 are the upsale.

The big problem is it has become such a dick waving contest about how much you can pay per join that nobody can back down. I remember when Silvercash dropped their payout by 5$ and everybody freaked out. They did what they had to do. I respect them for that. I think you will see a lot more of this in the near furture.

And, I've sat on panels with Lensman, Mike Price, and Tony Morgan and they said exactly what I am trying to explain to you now.

You can only bleed so much money out of a trial join. There are a lot of trial hoppers out there...as I am sure you know.

BobG · 04-16-2006, 11:49 PM

I love the world

iBanker · 04-16-2006, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay

And, I've sat on panels with Lensman, Mike Price, and Tony Morgan and they said exactly what I am trying to explain to you now.

That why I just like talking with the program owners.

Hey, hit me up on ICQ if you are still up Jay...

Paul Markham · 04-17-2006, 12:29 AM

The problem with porn, for many. is it's not black and white like programming and that confuses them. there is pros and cons on all sides.

Solo girl retains better than multi girl sites. So you rely on the surfer falling in love with one girl and staying because he can't find her elsewhere. Ratios on hits to site and conversion would be low, retention would be high. But then it depends on the girl, how she's shot and very important how she's sold. Plus updates, so that rule goes out the window.

Niche sites retain better. Well assuming the guy shooting and selling have a clue about the niche they might do. But the idea that a surfer is going to spend $30 a month to wait for 5 new scenes when the rest of the sites content is on his HD is ludicrous. He comes back in 6 months, spending the time in between on the other 100 sites doing the same niche.

A new site strapped for cash can't afford PPS. So they can afford $30,000 worth of content to put the site up or is $5,000 going to retain well enough?

We update 3 sets or videos a day, 90 a month and retain fairly well. But what we are finding is the returning member numbers are awesome, so we will move to offering the option of 60% rev share or $30 PPS. Got to do a few things first but it will happen.

But this whole thread largely assumes one thing, affiliates are sheep and sponsors are out to cheat them.

I do not think affiliates are sheep and I may be an arrogant arse hole, but I do not cheat.

I think those who can drive significant amounts of traffic that will sign up know what they are doing and sponsors recognise this. The affiliates who make money send it to the site that return the most $$ per click, not the ones with the biggest % on the webmasters page.

Sponsors realise that traffic is very important and paying an affiliate more for his traffic keeps him sending it.

It's all about $ not %, PPS, Niche or anything else.

You have to send your traffic to the place it makes the most money for you.

Who cares if a revshare join only makes you $15, if the site converts 1:200? Yes $30 sounds great but what if the site converts 1:1000?

It's all about how many hours you work, money you invest and the $$$ that goes into your bank account.

GigoloMason · 04-17-2006, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay

Wow, very condesending.

Sorry, just got home from a four hour flight wasn't in my best form.

Quote:

Maybe I went to far to say they have to be scamming. Back in the day most programs were doing some shady shit. I know, I've been in this industry for over 8 years.

These days -- with popup blockers, a crackdown on spam, email filtering, surfers knowing to uncheck those cross sales, surfers expecting cleaner members areas...all of those additional sources of income are slowly drying up.

There is only so much you can do to cover that $35 payout for a $2.95 join. Personally, I don't like limited trials...we use a version of them but we give full access to the site you joined...the other 19 are the upsale.

I totally agree the margins have definatly shrunk over the last few years, but assuming both models are on the up and up I can't see how you can make the arguement that it is any different for revshare programs as they have to deal with the same issues, with the exception of people who have traffic that tends to produce 'savvy' surfers focusing on the the PPS programs harder.

Quote:

You can only bleed so much money out of a trial join. There are a lot of trial hoppers out there...as I am sure you know.

Sure, but the thing that gets me in these debates is the implication that it's impossible to afford a $35-40 PPS payout without doing 'creative' business practices as it's simply not true. If a rev-share program can make you $60over a longer timeline then the PPS could in theory afford to pay you the same amount if they had enough capital to front themselves the difference over taht same timeline. It's really a function of growth and cashflow management (part of why rev-share is great for newer programs as PPS imposes an artifical cap on how fast you can grow, obviously).

bigdog · 04-18-2006, 04:41 AM

good thread

Screaming · 04-18-2006, 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay

And FYI...this PPS / Revshare babbling in meaningless...content is king:

Here is a Quickbuck black site:
http://www.afrosluts.com/01/?nats=

Here is how we do it in the OC:
http://secure.phatbootyhoes.com/track/NDIzMDoxMDoxMA/

Here is a Quickbuck Asian site:
http://www.asiansizzle.com/01/?nats=

Here is an OCCash Asain site:
http://secure.kungpaopussy.com/track/NDIzMDoxMDox/

Here is a quickbuck interracial site:
http://www.darkmeatwhitetreat.com/01/?nats=

Here is a REAL interracial site:
http://secure.blackdickslatinchicks....DIzMDoxMDoyMA/

Here is a Quickbuck attempt at a Brazilian site:
http://www.fuckmybrazilianass.com/01/?nats=

Here is the grand daddy of all Brazilian sites:
http://secure.brazilbang.com/track/NDIzMDoxMDoxMw/

Here is a quickbuck attempt at a MILF site:
http://www.milffrenzy.com/01/?nats=

Here is a real MILF site:
http://secure.blackmotherfuckers.com...DIzMDoxMDoyNQ/

Are things clear yet? Half of your sites look like they are straight out of 1986. I could care less if you paid $100 per join.

None of that matters if nobody is buying.

So many programs just a nothing but a billing machine...they don't care about the surfers like a quility program like Bangbros does. Remember a little program called Bangbros? They were Revshare only for over 2 years. Now they are the fucking Mack Daddy.

That is the business model I would rather emulate. Quility content, happy surfers, and a well presented product -- the amazing thing is the amount of surfers that join OCCash via bookmark or type-ins...that becasue they know we have the hot shit.

Pissing about PPS vs. Revshare and not worrying about well designed sites and quality content is putting the horse before the cart.

ocs sites look 10xs better inho

nekrom · 04-18-2006, 05:18 AM

PPS or Revshare is irrelevant really. You send "x amount" of traffic to A and the same traffic/source "x amount" to B and compare the unique cpc.

then send the traffic to which ever is making you more. Both program models have their pros and cons, but it aint really rocket science.

-N

04-16-2006, 11:02 PM	#151
Quick Buck Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Free-Trials.......... Weekly-Payouts..... 100+Sites Posts: 1,026	how are your reality sites coming jay? oh wait.. you don't have any. __________________ $50 FREE TRIALS! Every Day til 2008!!! Only at QuickBuck

04-16-2006, 11:12 PM	#153
Quick Buck Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Free-Trials.......... Weekly-Payouts..... 100+Sites Posts: 1,026	starting an discussion and sharing your opions about a business model... $10.00 getting all the revshare only programs so worked up that they actually come up with some good arguments... $20.00 getting jay so worked up that he spends 2 days surfing our sites and selectively picking apart our business? PRICELESS. ------ I've never even seen one of your sites jay... don't know if you have 1 or 1000, don't know if you bill with paycom/ccbill/ibill/yourself... didnt even know you were revshare til you said something. I simply don't pay attention to you except that I occassionaly read your blog to see what country's hookers you've been tasting. (not cricitizing you... you're entertaining!) I logged into occash ONE TIME to check some stats on a PRECHECKED CROSS SELL that you bought from us from one of our tours. I have no hate for you... but you're apparently trying to make this personal. __________________ $50 FREE TRIALS! Every Day til 2008!!! Only at QuickBuck

04-16-2006, 11:13 PM	#154
GigoloMason Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 742	Funcitonally, it really just breaks down to a cash flow issue and it strikes me as funny that rev-share advocates say an affiliate makes more with rev-share and then goes on to say it's impossible to support $35 a signup without engauging in shady practices. Either an affiliate does make more with PPS, albiet possibally at the expense of the surfer in your example, or the PPS model can work just fine without anything shady going on assuming the company has the cash to cover the negative cash conversion cycle that a PPS program runs. Jay, seriously if you still can't connect the dots maybe you shouldn't be participating in business threads. __________________ Last edited by GigoloMason; 04-16-2006 at 11:14 PM..

04-16-2006, 11:14 PM	#155
Quick Buck Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Free-Trials.......... Weekly-Payouts..... 100+Sites Posts: 1,026	i'm on east coast. have work to do tomorrow. won't be available for comment til morning. __________________ $50 FREE TRIALS! Every Day til 2008!!! Only at QuickBuck

04-16-2006, 11:16 PM	#157
iBanker Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Diego, moving to Portland. Posts: 2,758	revshare, pps, pre-paid, pay per click..... At the end of the day, whatever you make the most money with is best for you. I used to argue with the ins and outs of each, its pointless. Figure out what is best FOR YOU, and roll with it. Chris __________________ www.JasonandAlex.com Christopher's ICQ: 268-843-170

04-16-2006, 11:35 PM	#158
BlingDaddy Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Denver, CO ICQ 280-752-076 Posts: 6,343	This thread kicks so much ass, I'm on page 2. I'm only bumping it now to remember to read the rest in the morning. Peace and hairgrease. __________________ Every Day... Bling Daddy's Masturbation Station! Bling Daddy's Masturbation Station! The Daily Bag of Douche - Humor at it's FINEST.

04-16-2006, 11:49 PM	#160
BobG Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 4,274	I love the world

04-17-2006, 12:29 AM	#162
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	The problem with porn, for many. is it's not black and white like programming and that confuses them. there is pros and cons on all sides. Solo girl retains better than multi girl sites. So you rely on the surfer falling in love with one girl and staying because he can't find her elsewhere. Ratios on hits to site and conversion would be low, retention would be high. But then it depends on the girl, how she's shot and very important how she's sold. Plus updates, so that rule goes out the window. Niche sites retain better. Well assuming the guy shooting and selling have a clue about the niche they might do. But the idea that a surfer is going to spend $30 a month to wait for 5 new scenes when the rest of the sites content is on his HD is ludicrous. He comes back in 6 months, spending the time in between on the other 100 sites doing the same niche. A new site strapped for cash can't afford PPS. So they can afford $30,000 worth of content to put the site up or is $5,000 going to retain well enough? We update 3 sets or videos a day, 90 a month and retain fairly well. But what we are finding is the returning member numbers are awesome, so we will move to offering the option of 60% rev share or $30 PPS. Got to do a few things first but it will happen. But this whole thread largely assumes one thing, affiliates are sheep and sponsors are out to cheat them. I do not think affiliates are sheep and I may be an arrogant arse hole, but I do not cheat. I think those who can drive significant amounts of traffic that will sign up know what they are doing and sponsors recognise this. The affiliates who make money send it to the site that return the most $$ per click, not the ones with the biggest % on the webmasters page. Sponsors realise that traffic is very important and paying an affiliate more for his traffic keeps him sending it. It's all about $ not %, PPS, Niche or anything else. You have to send your traffic to the place it makes the most money for you. Who cares if a revshare join only makes you $15, if the site converts 1:200? Yes $30 sounds great but what if the site converts 1:1000? It's all about how many hours you work, money you invest and the $$$ that goes into your bank account. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

04-18-2006, 04:41 AM	#164
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	good thread

04-18-2006, 05:18 AM	#166
nekrom Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Australia/Asia Posts: 921	PPS or Revshare is irrelevant really. You send "x amount" of traffic to A and the same traffic/source "x amount" to B and compare the unique cpc. then send the traffic to which ever is making you more. Both program models have their pros and cons, but it aint really rocket science. -N