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xlogger · 04-14-2006, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sltr

there are billions of dollars transacted on the web yearly and NONE of that needs anyone to fax anything in

Well, maybe they should start doing it.

I go to buy cigs from the same store and the fucker asks me for ID everytime even though she saw me the other day, lol. I understand why she does it, its to protect themselfs. Its a little irritating, yes, but so what? If you dont want a host that asks for id then fine. Im saying, i dont have a problem with it.

sltr · 04-14-2006, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

- I'm just coming from the perspective of being active and involved with my clients and always looking out for their best interests.

Brad

there is NO such thing as looking out for the best interest of a client by having them fax cc and personal info to the general office fax machine, come on man,

millions of dollars get transacted everyday on the internet without having to do something as risky as sending that info to the office fax machine

sltr · 04-14-2006, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by xlogger

Well, maybe they should start doing it.

I go to buy cigs from the same store and the fucker asks me for ID everytime even though she saw me the other day, lol. I understand why she does it, its to protect themselfs. Its a little irritating, yes, but so what? If you dont want a host that asks for id then fine. Im saying, i dont have a problem with it.

that is because it is against the law to sell cigs to minors, you are comparing apples to oranges

pr0 · 04-14-2006, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by xlogger

When? 2 or 3 years ago thery were not doing it. Now almost all are doing it, its common practice now.

If you buy hosting for anything over 1k/m they ask for ID.

What if you buy cigs and beer with the water, do you need to show ID? Yes.

I dont understand what the big deal is showing your ID.

What if someone stold your CC and used it for hosting? Wouldnt you want that host to ask for ID?

We're both reasonably intelligent people. So let me explain the areas for corruption inherent with collecting personal identification.

Case #1 - The data is stored locally & the office building is broken into.

Case #2 - The fax/or data is not destroyed properly & is found in a dumpster.

Case #3 - Some 18yo the company just hired decides to take the scan home to make his friend a fake ID....you just happen to look like Johnny Miller.

Case #4 - The hosting company is owned by criminals, who use your personal information to setup several credit accounts, cell phone plans etc. And by the time you recieve a credit report 6 months later you're fucked, with a capital F.

And i'm a big fan of personal privacy. As far as i'm concerned a phone call from a land based line with functioning caller ID is good enough.

If a hosting company considers the bandwidth you "might" burn as "credit" then they need to be JUST AS secure as a credit company. And i can tell you from personal experience, they aren't.

directfiesta · 04-14-2006, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sltr

that is because it is against the law to sell cigs to minors, you are comparing apples to oranges

.. aside from the fact that that store owner doesn't make and keep a copy of the shown ID ...

sltr · 04-14-2006, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

.. aside from the fact that that store owner doesn't make and keep a copy of the shown ID ...

once again you totally prove my points!

sltr · 04-14-2006, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by pr0

We're both reasonably intelligent people. So let me explain the areas for corruption inherent with collecting personal identification.

Case #1 - The data is stored locally & the office building is broken into.

Case #2 - The fax/or data is not destroyed properly & is found in a dumpster.

Case #3 - Some 18yo the company just hired decides to take the scan home to make his friend a fake ID....you just happen to look like Johnny Miller.

Case #4 - The hosting company is owned by criminals, who use your personal information to setup several credit accounts, cell phone plans etc. And by the time you recieve a credit report 6 months later you're fucked, with a capital F.

And i'm a big fan of personal privacy. As far as i'm concerned a phone call from a land based line with functioning caller ID is good enough.

If a hosting company considers the bandwidth you "might" burn as "credit" then they need to be JUST AS secure as a credit company. And i can tell you from personal experience, they aren't.

post of the day, end of discussion

BlingDaddy · 04-14-2006, 09:22 PM

No... my hoster knows me. And I reccomend him/them/they. Not in sig? Hit me if you want detailz.

emthree · 04-14-2006, 09:27 PM

5 Years ago - Yeh, sure.
2006 - No thanks.

Webby · 04-14-2006, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

Guys... come on. Speaking as a host, it's not that unreasonable of a request. I'm not saying that I regularly ask for such things but you have to remember that sometimes we get people asking for service that raise a number of red flags. I am of the belief that it is in the best interests of every hosting company to know it's clients if for any other reason than to protect their other clients from the trouble that some people cause. At the end of the day your host is someone that you need to develop a trust relationship with, I think - just like your banker, lawyer, accountant. I know there are many of you that disagree and like anonimity - I'm just coming from the perspective of being active and involved with my clients and always looking out for their best interests.

Brad

Cumon Brad!

I know you like to know all your clients "to protect their other clients", but a net business is not exactly a bank and "know your customer" to the level of personal ID's was never a requirement to be a host. Ya want a bank statement next?

Na my man, - you don't have to develop any trust with clients - it's the client who has to have some trust in the host since they are probably far more at risk financially. To develop such trust, perhaps the host can provide personal ID's of their staff??

And, believe me... a host sure as hell is not a lawyer, banker or accountant. They have professional guidelines to follow.

Flip side, yea, totally agree with a decent relationship with anyone you do biz with, but a DNA test is not one of them.

PS The above not only applies to hosting, but to every damned service, sponsor, third party processor and their dogs. Webmasters have a lot more to lose if a sponsor, processor or host screws up. Can I have a sperm count, a DNA test and a copy of your passport, ID, latest bank statements? Thanks!

fl_prn_str · 04-14-2006, 09:57 PM

as long as you have the 3 digits of the back of your cc....wtf do they need any more info....next they will want ID, Passport, voters reg and a SS Card.....intrusive bastards....

Ca$h-collector · 04-14-2006, 09:58 PM

I don't think so..

chaze · 04-15-2006, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Fabien

Would you fax in your ID for hosting approval ?
Even though you paid with your credit card ?

Sure why not, you show your id at the store. What's the big deal?

baddog · 04-15-2006, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by xlogger

What if someone stold your CC and used it for hosting? Wouldnt you want that host to ask for ID?

We have had a few fraudulent credit card attempts to purchase hosting from us. Fraud control is easy enough without resorting to requiring a faxed photo ID.

I would not know if it was you or not.

pood · 04-15-2006, 01:16 AM

had to send in my id scan when I wanted SSH for webair

darksoul · 04-15-2006, 01:39 AM

There are other ways to protect against fraud, let alone the fact
that you can hardly trust a scanned copy.

GTS Mark · 04-15-2006, 01:42 AM

If I am going to trust my business with them, I should be able to trust them with my ID.

DH

Webby · 04-15-2006, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by chaze

Sure why not, you show your id at the store. What's the big deal?

That may be a North American custom chaze, but sure it not the case in other countries. Folks don't carry "ID's" around - that's what the credit card is for, and anyways, many countries don't even have "Photo ID's" as such and are strongly opposed to the idea.

Fabien · 04-15-2006, 04:43 AM

Web air guys Web air
Over 24 hrs since my first email sent stating

Like what ??????????????????????????????????????????
Pardon ??????????????????????????

Still no response

Lots of cool interesting replies and i must admit. They all go the way i think.
That it's not politicly correct to send this info

If this is going to be the way USA hosting companies will work in the futur, well chow baby

Brad Mitchell · 04-15-2006, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST

If I am going to trust my business with them, I should be able to trust them with my ID.

DH

Brad

Vitasoy · 04-15-2006, 06:54 AM

I sure did, when I got my hosting setup

gecko · 04-15-2006, 08:39 AM

I have in the past

Fabien · 04-15-2006, 10:23 AM

I won't send this
First of all it's against my principals !!!!
Second, fucking too risky

Brad Mitchell · 04-15-2006, 10:29 AM

I run my business to a higher standard. Most hosts don't ask questions, that is their choice. Anyone who has spent any amount of time with myself or my staff appreciates that their business and any information on file is completely safe with us. If hosting service is nothing more than a commodity to you and your business without any other intrinsic value, perhaps you haven't had the right web host yet! As I stated earlier in the thread, I regularly only collect basic contact information but if I questioned someone's legitimacy I wouldn't hesitate to ask for more information. My instincts are good, this is how I have kept spammers (etc) off my network for four years.

Brad

Fabien · 04-15-2006, 10:59 AM

Glad you didn't get spammers in your thingo
I've been online for almost 10 years and as someone said earlier, i was there before MAJOR HOSTING COMPANIES WERE BORN

If a sponsor asks for an ID (as it happened only once in 10 years) i turn my back and go away. There is a limit at controlling people and i think it's crossing the limit.

It's your business, run it as you whish

What's next ?
A written contract that i have to bend over twice per year ?

RawAlex · 04-15-2006, 11:05 AM

Fabien, maybe you need to look at it in a different way:

With the number of scammers, spammers, and tool bar jammers out there, hosts should be clearly aware of exactly who they are providing services to. If the DoJ or FBI or whoever it is shows up at the hosts door and their entire billing comes back as untracable, don't you think they would look pretty stupid?

Hosting is a contract (even month to month) and even in accepting a credit card or a check, companies need to have confidence in who they are dealing with. It is way to easy to open an account with a fresh stolen credit card, stick a bunch of toolbars or viruses on the account, spam the living shit out of the domain, and then run away after the damage is done with no way for anyone to track you down.

I would think that perhaps the company asking your for the ID has been burned once too often.

Alex

pr0 · 04-15-2006, 11:12 AM

i've never been asked for an ID, i guess because everyone knows me.....so i suppose the same hosts that didn't ask me, might ask you

either way....anything under 1k a month without a contract, shouldn't require an ID imho

Fabien · 04-15-2006, 11:20 AM

Yeah again it's only a small virutal account
A bit pathetic no ?

I know hosts and MOSTLY USA hosts have it in the balls regarding FBI spammers etc....
I can understand that. But it scares the shit out of me to send all my infos to who the fuck is at the other end ? Kinda damn crazy if you ask me.

Those that say "Well they don't know you" Well isn't the same on my end ?

chaze · 04-15-2006, 11:26 AM

Also keep in mind no established hosting company will ask for this unless some flags come up. Using a proxy to sign up, a free email address, unregistered domain name, there are lots we use for fraud. DWHS.com actually uses a phone call back system for instant activation and run a updating black list of i.p.'s for checking out. This is is good enough 99.9% of the time. Another good one is to ask the user what bank the card is from, you can get this from your merchant account but unless the card was physically stolen they will have a hard time finding this and move on to find a new sucker.

chaze · 04-15-2006, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Fabien

Yeah again it's only a small virutal account
A bit pathetic no ?

I know hosts and MOSTLY USA hosts have it in the balls regarding FBI spammers etc....
I can understand that. But it scares the shit out of me to send all my infos to who the fuck is at the other end ? Kinda damn crazy if you ask me.

Those that say "Well they don't know you" Well isn't the same on my end ?

I do agree trust has to met in the middle or even a little more on the business side first.

After all business has to be earned.

Fabien · 04-15-2006, 11:32 AM

The only thing i can see is that i registered a new domain and and a couple of minutes after registered for hosting

Used my Visa that have since i'm what 18 ? and i have grey hair hehehehehe
No free email used, no proxy used

chaze · 04-15-2006, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Fabien

The only thing i can see is that i registered a new domain and and a couple of minutes after registered for hosting

Used my Visa that have since i'm what 18 ? and i have grey hair hehehehehe
No free email used, no proxy used

That's strange, can you call them?

Maybe there fraud system had a error.

Fabien.. Can I ask how you heard of them?

Fabien · 04-15-2006, 11:44 AM

Well i knew about them since they started but never used them
It's just that someone said to tried them which i did now i'm confused
Anyways, i'm going to the gym guys. Keep it coming and when i get back, i'll read all your thoughts about it and decide what i do

Let's just say that it's 1 ball 2 strikes for them right now hehehehe
Cheers

elitetec · 04-15-2006, 12:10 PM

No way....

sltr · 04-15-2006, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by chaze

Also keep in mind no established hosting company will ask for this unless some flags come up.

that is completely not true

Fabien · 04-15-2006, 04:59 PM

Last call bump

GiveIntoMe · 04-15-2006, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

Definately not.

Don't need a host to "approve" anything - they, and anyone else who gets paid, just needs to provide the service they get paid for or fuck off.

lol well said dude, well said.

chaze · 04-15-2006, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sltr

that is completely not true

Your right, most would be better, I guess you can't say "all" to anything with one situation. I meant to say it in general.. my bad

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Fabien Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,787	Glad you didn't get spammers in your thingo I've been online for almost 10 years and as someone said earlier, i was there before MAJOR HOSTING COMPANIES WERE BORN If a sponsor asks for an ID (as it happened only once in 10 years) i turn my back and go away. There is a limit at controlling people and i think it's crossing the limit. It's your business, run it as you whish What's next ? A written contract that i have to bend over twice per year ?

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RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Fabien, maybe you need to look at it in a different way: With the number of scammers, spammers, and tool bar jammers out there, hosts should be clearly aware of exactly who they are providing services to. If the DoJ or FBI or whoever it is shows up at the hosts door and their entire billing comes back as untracable, don't you think they would look pretty stupid? Hosting is a contract (even month to month) and even in accepting a credit card or a check, companies need to have confidence in who they are dealing with. It is way to easy to open an account with a fresh stolen credit card, stick a bunch of toolbars or viruses on the account, spam the living shit out of the domain, and then run away after the damage is done with no way for anyone to track you down. I would think that perhaps the company asking your for the ID has been burned once too often. Alex

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Fabien Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,787	Yeah again it's only a small virutal account A bit pathetic no ? I know hosts and MOSTLY USA hosts have it in the balls regarding FBI spammers etc.... I can understand that. But it scares the shit out of me to send all my infos to who the fuck is at the other end ? Kinda damn crazy if you ask me. Those that say "Well they don't know you" Well isn't the same on my end ?

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chaze Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 9,752	Also keep in mind no established hosting company will ask for this unless some flags come up. Using a proxy to sign up, a free email address, unregistered domain name, there are lots we use for fraud. DWHS.com actually uses a phone call back system for instant activation and run a updating black list of i.p.'s for checking out. This is is good enough 99.9% of the time. Another good one is to ask the user what bank the card is from, you can get this from your merchant account but unless the card was physically stolen they will have a hard time finding this and move on to find a new sucker.

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Fabien Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,787	Well i knew about them since they started but never used them It's just that someone said to tried them which i did now i'm confused Anyways, i'm going to the gym guys. Keep it coming and when i get back, i'll read all your thoughts about it and decide what i do Let's just say that it's 1 ball 2 strikes for them right now hehehehe Cheers

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