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dodo · 05-01-2002, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DynaSpain
hello,

that site is still up and running...

The script declares a variable a and b defined as images.
for which the second image is the index.html from porno.ru
further in the page there will probably a function that loads these
variables but not displays.

By puting this in javascript all visitors will make these variables
load. That way the image source comes through the users and
not through huns server which makes is virtually impossible to
block the DoS attack since all requests come from different IP´s

That way it can´t be blocked in the router of firewall...

DynaMite

I'd classify it as a DDoS attack and I think the image can be protected from hot linking with .htaccess.

Tipsy · 05-01-2002, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dodo

I'd classify it as a DDoS attack and I think the image can be protected from hot linking with .htaccess.

If you read the full thread (got a spare hour) you'll see why it can't be. Still, there are other ways if the site being hit has any sense which probably they don't.

Tipsy · 05-01-2002, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DynaSpain
hello,

that site is still up and running...

The script declares a variable a and b defined as images.
for which the second image is the index.html from porno.ru
further in the page there will probably a function that loads these
variables but not displays.

By puting this in javascript all visitors will make these variables
load. That way the image source comes through the users and
not through huns server which makes is virtually impossible to
block the DoS attack since all requests come from different IP´s

That way it can´t be blocked in the router of firewall...

DynaMite

Just to clarify that point ;)

dodo · 05-01-2002, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tipsy

If you read the full thread (got a spare hour) you'll see why it can't be. Still, there are other ways if the site being hit has any sense which probably they don't.

yeah, i see what you mean. htaccess will not work.

i don't see how this can be blocked?! but wait... here's another idea:
the index.html can check the referrer and so block all request from thehun... no need to blocking packets since they are mostly unique and valid(no syn flooding) connections with port 80 and blocking port 80 would obviously take them offline.

FATPad · 05-01-2002, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dodo

yeah, i see what you mean. htaccess will not work.
i don't see how this can be blocked?! but wait... here's another idea:
the index.html can check the referrer and so block all request from thehun... no need to blocking packets since they are mostly unique and valid(no syn flooding) connections with port 80 and blocking port 80 would obviously take them offline.

No matter what you do, that server is being killed. It's either pumping out a couple of million copies of that page, or it's processing so many requests and rejecting them, that it can't do anything else.

Either way, that server is screwed.

picpile · 05-01-2002, 06:52 PM

he should have changed the picture file to a auto bookmarking script. that would have taught him a lesson

dodo · 05-01-2002, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FATPad

No matter what you do, that server is being killed. It's either pumping out a couple of million copies of that page, or it's processing so many requests and rejecting them, that it can't do anything else.

Either way, that server is screwed.

yeah

they are screwed either way ... next best thing for them would be to utilize the hits... SIGN UP FOR A SPONSOR that pays $1 per thousand hits. They'll be swimming in the cash

FATPad · 05-01-2002, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by picpile
he should have changed the picture file to a auto bookmarking script. that would have taught him a lesson

You seem to forget who is teaching who a lesson here.

Whether you like what's happening or not, there is one indisputable fact that all the finger pointing cannot erase.

This is all the cheater's fault. If he hadn't stolen from The Hun, this wouldn't be happening at all. Rationalize it, excuse it, defend it, do whatever you want. If he hadn't done what he did, this would not be happening.

The Hun · 05-02-2002, 10:50 AM

There's no .htaccess needed to solve this. All they need to do is simply stop their illegal activities against me. Sure, I can afford a lawyer to fight these people. And with enough loopholes I could even get a Russian lawyer to deal with the guy from Russia, but do I want to waste my time and thousands of dollars to fight people that are spamming me or stealing my content?

TrafficMagnet sucks. I tried calling 'em, e-mailing 'em, faxing 'em. I was on the phone with their host, they couldn't do anything. Still I continue to get their spam e-mails over and over. No way to get off the list. And spidering sites like mine for e-mail addresses of other webmasters. Do I spend thousands of dollars on a lawyer to get these guys to stop? No... do they continue to spam people, totally ignoring any requests from others? Yes (check the searchengines for trafficmagnet). Do I get pissed? No, but I did get their attention. Two e-mails from them so far to ask me to stop. I told 'em it could be easily stopped. Just give me a phonenumber that works. I'd love to discuss this with 'em. In the mean time I got another spam e-mail... go figure

As for the Russian guy stealing links. He didn't react to my e-mails, his host didn't react to my e-mails (I suspect it's the same guy, so he's on dedicated hosting). Obviously I made sure there was no free host involved on this. Don't want to let innocent bystanders take a blow over this as well.

What we're looking at here is not a simple legal issue. By definitions of a DOS attack I'm not DOS attacking. By definition of hacking I'm definately not hacking. But by definitions of spam I think trafficmagnet is not spamming either. They have an opt-out link which is required. Nowere does it state that opt-out link should actually work. So theirs doesn't. Stealing links is an easy one, that is illegal, and that was proven in court in 1999 when I sued someone over this.

These two companies can solve this matter very easily. The Russian guy should take down the links he copied from me. I'll be willing to even mail him a sincere apology for the drastic measures I took against them. Trafficmagnet can solve their issue by stopping the spam they send out to people. And by stopping to harvest my site for e-mail addresses.

Some may not agree with me on this, but the way I see the Internet right now is half lawless... It's like the wild west where the sherrif takes care of the legal works, but people have to come up for themselves as well 'cause the law simply doesn't provide the protection it should. I didn't do this overnight. And I did give this a lot of thought. I might take both links off my site soon to see what happens. If these two companies continue their ways I will put 'em back though. I told both companies what I would do up front. TrafficMagnet was added as soon as I received another spam e-mail from them, the Russian guy was added 'cause he didn't reply to any of my e-mails for over a week but kept updating his page with stolen links.

BabeHunter · 05-02-2002, 10:57 AM

Bow to the power of the Hun

hehe

twistyneck · 05-02-2002, 10:58 AM

Remind me never to fuck with you. heh. I'm all in favor of a little street justice, keep up the good work.

redshift · 05-02-2002, 11:07 AM

Give them spam mofo's what they deserve.
I hate them SOB's

mule · 05-02-2002, 11:15 AM

Well said, Patrick

vegasdude · 05-02-2002, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Interpol will go and arrest his ass and turn him over to American Authorities...

eros this is the words of someone who does not know the law!

they would never ever hand over the hun to the feds.... man you see way to many movies!

If I recall holland does not have a contact about handing over suspects or even crimminals.... just like denmark doesn't!

also It would first have to be proven in dutch court that he in fact did do somethink..... and before even handing over a dutch person his crime would have to be alot bigger!

fuckk you cheater!

Vegas

poolie · 05-02-2002, 11:28 AM

lol :D
that's awesome

eroswebmaster · 05-02-2002, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by vegasdude

fuckk you cheater!

Vegas

You calling me a cheater?

vegasdude · 05-02-2002, 11:31 AM

do you prefer to be called slut???

I do recall a first use of the bol brick....

if it was not you im sorry... then u can call me a slut instead!

shimmy · 05-02-2002, 11:32 AM

The file that's linked on trafficmagnet has been changed since I last checked yesterday, it 0 kilobytes

http://www.trafficmagnet.net/images/tm_logo.psd
is 150 kilobytes though

vegasdude · 05-02-2002, 11:32 AM

hell call me a slut anyway!

^R3K^ · 05-02-2002, 11:35 AM

I think some of you whiners need to take your enemas and shut the fuck up...

Be glad the Hun owns thehun because if i did im pretty fucking sure i would not be a responsible with the site as he is...

Fucking Pussies...

vegasdude · 05-02-2002, 11:35 AM

sorry eros....

think I was a bit to fast.... the one that it was intended for was promo...... if thats not you im sorry.... the name eros was mentioned....

well fuckk I'll be ya biAtch the whole week!

eroswebmaster · 05-02-2002, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by vegasdude
do you prefer to be called slut???

I do recall a first use of the bol brick....

if it was not you im sorry... then u can call me a slut instead!

Well man just because someone expresses an opinion on something and it doesn't jibe with what you think doesn't make them a cheater.

Now as far as the law is concerned I am not basing this on what I've seen in movies...I based this on what I have seen happen on the news with little punk hackers.

No I do not know the law...but i know enough to NOT do something like this without first kowing how to keep my ass from getting caught in the sling....and as far as knowing the law...impress me with your legal know how and tell me ...and cite the codes etc now ;) how I am soooooo wrong

Tipsy · 05-02-2002, 11:38 AM

That could be a fun little game - seeing who can update quicker the hun or the spamming bastard

Mind you, even with a 0k file it still puts a stress on the server. Not as has been said a DOS attack but it doesn't help.

As I've said all along. Fuck the legalities and go for it. I'd do the same in your shoes. I don't agree on the eye for an eye thing in all circumstances but certainly do in this one.

funkmaster · 05-02-2002, 11:38 AM

I hope those guys don´t use the same technique to fight back ...

eroswebmaster · 05-02-2002, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by vegasdude
sorry eros....

think I was a bit to fast.... the one that it was intended for was promo...... if thats not you im sorry.... the name eros was mentioned....

well fuckk I'll be ya biAtch the whole week!

LOL okay man no problem

Tipsy · 05-02-2002, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by funkmaster
I hope those guys don´t use the same technique to fight back ...

D'you really think they have they same amount of traffic to do so?

eroswebmaster · 05-02-2002, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tipsy

D'you really think they have they same amount of traffic to do so?

Well right now he does....LOL

FATPad · 05-02-2002, 11:43 AM

Now that would be funny.

Some pissant scammer with 300 hits a day of his own traffic img src'ing the hun.

vegasdude · 05-02-2002, 11:47 AM

eros all okay here

I do not know dutch law that well BUT i do know danish law....

and I tell you even if I did commit a crime against the states... (which I never would do - or any other crime.... other than the huns way of payback) I would be procecuted in danish court and after danish law and be sent to danish prison where bubba would scare the hell outta me ;)

All peace and success bro!
Vegas

NoCarrier · 05-02-2002, 12:07 PM

Don't you find it ironic that the company is called "Traffic Magnet"?

mule · 05-02-2002, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NoCarrier
Don't you find it ironic that the company is called "Traffic Magnet"?

LOL!
Actually I'm sure they'll fail to see the humour in that

funkmaster · 05-02-2002, 01:13 PM

"D'you really think they have they same amount of traffic to do so?"

... it does not require any traffic, a 100Mbit pipe and a dedicated server is all you need.

FATPad · 05-02-2002, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by funkmaster
"D'you really think they have they same amount of traffic to do so?"

... it does not require any traffic, a 100Mbit pipe and a dedicated server is all you need.

how do you figure that?

Tipsy · 05-02-2002, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by funkmaster
"D'you really think they have they same amount of traffic to do so?"

... it does not require any traffic, a 100Mbit pipe and a dedicated server is all you need.

That's a daft answer. If they had a 100Mbit pipe sitting around the huns img sourcing wouldn't have worried them in the 1st place.

AdultWire · 05-02-2002, 05:13 PM

I'm not so sure about that.. I've got 100mb fdx plugged into 2 Gbps worth of connections, but I'd be seriously concerned about the hun img srcing me.

Techie Media · 05-02-2002, 05:15 PM

Hey Patrick, that last post of yours above, is perfect, I could't agree with you more about this, and the way you are handling it.

cheaters

Fletch XXX · 05-02-2002, 05:24 PM

Feels good givin a lil back...

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05-02-2002, 10:50 AM	#109
The Hun Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,207	There's no .htaccess needed to solve this. All they need to do is simply stop their illegal activities against me. Sure, I can afford a lawyer to fight these people. And with enough loopholes I could even get a Russian lawyer to deal with the guy from Russia, but do I want to waste my time and thousands of dollars to fight people that are spamming me or stealing my content? TrafficMagnet sucks. I tried calling 'em, e-mailing 'em, faxing 'em. I was on the phone with their host, they couldn't do anything. Still I continue to get their spam e-mails over and over. No way to get off the list. And spidering sites like mine for e-mail addresses of other webmasters. Do I spend thousands of dollars on a lawyer to get these guys to stop? No... do they continue to spam people, totally ignoring any requests from others? Yes (check the searchengines for trafficmagnet). Do I get pissed? No, but I did get their attention. Two e-mails from them so far to ask me to stop. I told 'em it could be easily stopped. Just give me a phonenumber that works. I'd love to discuss this with 'em. In the mean time I got another spam e-mail... go figure As for the Russian guy stealing links. He didn't react to my e-mails, his host didn't react to my e-mails (I suspect it's the same guy, so he's on dedicated hosting). Obviously I made sure there was no free host involved on this. Don't want to let innocent bystanders take a blow over this as well. What we're looking at here is not a simple legal issue. By definitions of a DOS attack I'm not DOS attacking. By definition of hacking I'm definately not hacking. But by definitions of spam I think trafficmagnet is not spamming either. They have an opt-out link which is required. Nowere does it state that opt-out link should actually work. So theirs doesn't. Stealing links is an easy one, that is illegal, and that was proven in court in 1999 when I sued someone over this. These two companies can solve this matter very easily. The Russian guy should take down the links he copied from me. I'll be willing to even mail him a sincere apology for the drastic measures I took against them. Trafficmagnet can solve their issue by stopping the spam they send out to people. And by stopping to harvest my site for e-mail addresses. Some may not agree with me on this, but the way I see the Internet right now is half lawless... It's like the wild west where the sherrif takes care of the legal works, but people have to come up for themselves as well 'cause the law simply doesn't provide the protection it should. I didn't do this overnight. And I did give this a lot of thought. I might take both links off my site soon to see what happens. If these two companies continue their ways I will put 'em back though. I told both companies what I would do up front. TrafficMagnet was added as soon as I received another spam e-mail from them, the Russian guy was added 'cause he didn't reply to any of my e-mails for over a week but kept updating his page with stolen links.

05-02-2002, 10:57 AM	#110
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shimmy Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 196	The file that's linked on trafficmagnet has been changed since I last checked yesterday, it 0 kilobytes http://www.trafficmagnet.net/images/tm_logo.psd is 150 kilobytes though

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^R3K^ Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,815	I think some of you whiners need to take your enemas and shut the fuck up... Be glad the Hun owns thehun because if i did im pretty fucking sure i would not be a responsible with the site as he is... Fucking Pussies...

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vegasdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Royal Family Crew Posts: 3,649	sorry eros.... think I was a bit to fast.... the one that it was intended for was promo...... if thats not you im sorry.... the name eros was mentioned.... well fuckk I'll be ya biAtch the whole week!

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05-02-2002, 11:47 AM	#129
vegasdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Royal Family Crew Posts: 3,649	eros all okay here I do not know dutch law that well BUT i do know danish law.... and I tell you even if I did commit a crime against the states... (which I never would do - or any other crime.... other than the huns way of payback) I would be procecuted in danish court and after danish law and be sent to danish prison where bubba would scare the hell outta me ;) All peace and success bro! Vegas

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