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Old 03-12-2006, 04:42 PM   #101
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Old 03-12-2006, 05:17 PM   #102
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Did you read my post "THIS IS THE GOOD POINT TO STOP THIS FUCKING THREAD"?
NO, this is the point you press alt+F4, leave your desk,
and do something else ,like going fishing if you like it, i do
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Old 03-12-2006, 05:32 PM   #103
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Do you really believe what you just said? Serbia aggressed its own territory? Serbia took a legal action against terrorist in Kosovo, which were killing Serb police, kidnapping Serb civilians and doing massacres on them.
That's your story. From what I watched of miles of news footage it certainly looked like the Serb forces, situated up in surrounding hills, were shelling towns and cities indescriminantly, reining havoc down on the "terrorists" who were trying to get on with their day and walk down the street to the market.

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happened next? The independent foreign team of pathologists determined that dead bodies of terrorist was massacred after killing in clashes from gun wounds by Serbian army. But, at that point, nobody really cares about the truth. Nato war machine already been started, and guess who takes all the blame for it?
Let me guess... poor innocent misunderstood Serbia?

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Another thing. You say it?s not aggression? How come?
No, I said it was SERB aggression that started it, not NATO aggression. Without Serb aggression there would BE no aggression, period.

Clear enough for you?

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In order to attack a sovereign country you need approval and decision to attack of United Nations security council. Did you know that? NATO leaded by US government flagrant ignored that breaking international law, and decided to attack sovereign country for false reason. Who is going to be put on trial for that? Do you think there is going to be the trial at all, and people responsible for that brought to justice? NO. It?s all about ? I have a big gun, and you don?t .
No, it's about going into a situation and helping people in need during a crisis. False reasons? I think you are deluded my friend. There were plenty of solid reasons to go in and help. plenty. There was an outcry from the Kosovo border from 100's of thousands of people running for their lives, a cry to the world for aid and assistance. If we hadn't answered that call I'm sure everyone over there would be criticizing us the other way, "Oh they don't care about anyone but themselves! Canada and USA and Britain etc don't care!"....

So hey, sorry if a few Serbs got offended but there was a job to do.

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Do you know that NATO used cluster bombs (which is forbidden to use by Geneva convention!)
Do YOU know that NATO would not have used any bombs had Milosevic stuck to diplomatic channels rather than starting "aggression"?

Hello? Anyone home?

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Do you know that NATO bombed Serbian national TV station in the middle of the night in downtown of the Belgrade killing 40 journalists and technical staff? They do that just because they didn?t like the picture we were sending out to the world about their destruction of civilian buildings and lost of life of innocent civilians. Don?t you think this is war crime against one country and it?s people, and that somebody needs to take the blame for it?
Again, had the serb army not started the aggression....

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It?s all Serbs guilt for not allowing terrorist to terrorizing Serbian minority on Kosovo and for trying to protect it?s own people there, right?
Tell me, what business did the serbs have in attacking and shelling Sarajevo? Explain the reports of serb soldiers executing people on the streets, destroying people's houses and businesses, and raping young girls please.


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Now more facts?
Do you remember tragic event in Sarajevo in 1992 when a grenade shell felt on market full of people, Muslim people? Media immediately accused Serbs for it? then, security council accused Serbia for that massacre which leaded to UN sanction on Serbia. After few years, British experts determined that grenade shell was come from Muslim side, and what do you think it happened then? Nothing! Sanction stays and I don?t remember any foreign media coverage of that. Simply nobody cares because Serbs are marked as regularly the bad guys and this is not fitting in that context. They killed own people just to accuse the other side?and nobody can erase that fact from the history!
Again, the Serb army had no business even being there. I remember seeing news footage of the Serbs situated in the hills surrounding Sarajevo, the shelling from the serb heavy guns was constant. I remember thinking "I can't wait for US, Canadian and British air wing's to blow those fucking Serbian pop guns to smithereens"..... and they did.

Even some people in Nazi Germany called what Hitler did "a police action".... calling it a legal action doesn't make it right. And pointing the finger at Africa and saying "how come no one does anything there? Only here!?" is a childish argument. Fact is there ARE things being done about other "aggressions", you just don't always see it because NATO and the US don't have YOU on speed-dial.

I'll give you this though.... in war there are rights and wrongs and shades of gray on both sides. I'm not such a fool as to think that there was zero provocations against the Serbs, I'm sure they had good reason to do certain things. But can you not agree that had orders not been given to attack militariliy in the first place that there would have been no war?

There are other ways of handling terrorists in a situation like that one than rolling in your war machine military and sending nearly half a million people and surrounding territories and countries into chaos, isn't there? Too bad your former dictator is dead, you could have asked him.
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Old 03-12-2006, 05:37 PM   #104
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I can't believe western countries just watch the genocide being carried on especially the massacre and fall of Srebrenica in 1995

Sorry man. They just didn't have enough oil to be "liberated".
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Old 03-12-2006, 06:38 PM   #105
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Old 03-13-2006, 02:24 AM   #106
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he is a war criminal and he is responsible for the deaths of thousands of people...don't glorify him!!

he isn't much different from Hitler....

I am only sad that he didn't live to be found guilty for massacres, robbing and attacking free countries....he died too soon
i agree... he deserves no kinder fate than oblivion and the scorn of history
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Old 03-13-2006, 09:30 AM   #107
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Hm interesting thread.

I noticed is a lot of people are giving their comments backed up with arguments, which is all really neat. The funny thing is that most of these smart asses are from countries far away from the balkan region, yet they know so fucking much its amazing.

The situation in the balkans in the 90's was very complex. There were 3 armies fighting each other and a number of paramilitary groups operating. A lot of people of all nationalities were killed - innocent civilians and also children. But to blame a single nation or a single leader for that mess is plain simple stupid.

Most of the people in the region dont even know what the fuck happened and who was shooting who and who killed who, by whose orders and why... yet all of you smartasses far away know the exact picture of what happened.. right ?

There's a rule in human history. What is less than 50 years old is recent history and the objective facts for that period can not be given, becuase the happenings have not settled yet and a new unbiased generation who can be the judge of actions is not in control yet.

So please dont post your idiotic arguments here, the whole thing was so fucked up that even the people who live in or near the involved countries dont know what the fuck happened.
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Old 03-13-2006, 09:37 AM   #108
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Also... you might not know this, but the greatest fear now regarding the Balkan region is that the radical parties would once again take control of Serbia ,and the democratization process would stop.

If you dont know yet, the WW2 was caused because Germany was fucked badly after WW1. They were humilated and that led to the rise of Adolf Hitler and WW2.

Serbia is in similar situation as Germany was after WW1. It would be wise of the world to offer them support and understanding during this time.

If you can not understand what I am reffering to, dont bother. Please continue behaving in your ignorant ways, you are the all-knowing super-dooper gfy board master, and what you say is gold.
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Old 03-13-2006, 09:57 AM   #109
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Also... you might not know this, but the greatest fear now regarding the Balkan region is that the radical parties would once again take control of Serbia ,and the democratization process would stop.

If you dont know yet, the WW2 was caused because Germany was fucked badly after WW1. They were humilated and that led to the rise of Adolf Hitler and WW2.

Serbia is in similar situation as Germany was after WW1. It would be wise of the world to offer them support and understanding during this time.

If you can not understand what I am reffering to, dont bother. Please continue behaving in your ignorant ways, you are the all-knowing super-dooper gfy board master, and what you say is gold.
Offer serbia support??

First they have to extradite karadjic and mladic.

And who gives a shit if serbia is humilated?? They should be! Countries around serbia (Bosnia and Crotia) are no longer defenseless! serbians wouldn't dare to start shit again. They only fight against unarmed woman and children
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Old 03-13-2006, 10:37 AM   #110
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donnie, are you really so stupid or you are just pretending?
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Old 03-15-2006, 08:00 AM   #111
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i wonder how many people will come on his funeral today. i hope not too many..
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Old 03-15-2006, 08:55 AM   #112
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He was poisoned.
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Old 03-15-2006, 09:19 AM   #113
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He was poisoned.
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So it means they can kill you too and give a shit for it ;)
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Old 03-15-2006, 10:22 AM   #114
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[QUOTE=spacemonk]Present any kind of actual proof and I will leave this discussion forever. This is utter bullshit based on the same propaganda that Milosevic and his people used to scare serbian people and give them a reason to fight for their monstrous cause.



Sorry, but I do not consider a site with hidden whois info accepting donations through paypal a credible source. Noone can deny that atrocities were commited by the Axis powers and their allies, but a fake whois propaganda website is hardly something people should base their assumptions on. [QUOTE]

If you don't trust my sources, than try out this: US Holocaust Museum about Jasenovac


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I feel really sorry for all the victims of the NATO bombings and their famillies, just as I feel sorry for all the victims of the balkan wars no matter which side they were on.
Do all the victims of it have something out of your sorry? You are the killer, because you supported aggression!
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