penzo

I'm reffering to slobodan....for the record

penzo

please, take a minute and read what you've written here.....then think about it...get some sleep if you need...

then, if you agree with your statement......I'm sorry

donnie

"innocent man"???

Phil

As I always said Islam is the most peaceful religion in the world. They have never done any bad to Serbians.. never?

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Damian_Maxcash

I will never understand the "he was doing it for the right reasons' argument.

He was responsible for 100's of thousands dying, he was a brutal murderer - but hey, his heart was in the right place!!

WTF?

As someone else said its just a shame we had to waste all that money trying him and then the old git snuffs it at the last minute.

Nick81

Slobodan Milosevic RIP

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Slobodan Milosevic deserves a slow painful death!
I can't believe western countries just watch the genocide being carried on especially the massacre and fall of Srebrenica in 1995

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Good riddance to one of the 20th century's most rotten pieces of shit,

but I'm sure there are still thousands of Serbian soldiers and former military personnel who continue to live normal lives who did most of the raping and killing and destruction. "Just following orders" is no excuse for what they did.

No sense arguing about it, but I can't beleive that after all that happened there are still people in the world who will defend those responsible. One step to having it never happen again is to admit how wrong it was.

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Sarah_Jayne

this turned into an actually interesting thread

SGS

Bye bye to another piece of shit

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That's the town I live in!!! It's actually Bijeljina :D

rotterdammer

Now he cannot be punished for his deeds, damn...

dziggy

In every conflict there are always at least 2 side of the story, but western media during war in ?90es were broadcasting only one? Why? It?s a well known fact that people form their opinion based on what they saw on TV, so was this an objective and in depended journalism during that time? I think no.

To be able to understand what were happened here you either have to be historian or you have to live in Balkans. This conflict was not just popped up from no where when Milosevic appeared on political scene nor it was happened suddenly. That conflict between Balkan nations which at the end resulted in bloody civil war had history and politically background. You have to know the history of Balkans to be able to put all pieces of puzzle, and to view it in right context. Ordinary people just don?t have time to learn it, and why would they at the first place? They just come home after long day on work, turn on TV, and hear the news that bad Serbs has guilt for all blood shape. Then turns it off and carry out with their lives.

It?s not unknown that American government with allies has global geo-politically agenda that is caring out right now. Who ever thinks today that Iraq was attacked because mass destruction weapons (which they didn?t have btw) is a fool! That was a war for oil. Like Iraq, USA government has its own agenda when it comes to Balkans. When cold had finished and when communist regimes started to fall in Eastern Europe, USA government wanted to move towards Russia borders (like they are doing today with NATO) neutralizing communist/socialist/Russian influence in the region. They were seeking allies here that time, and wanted military based here in Serbia, but our president was too proud to accept foreign troops on our territory, we were traditionally allies with Russian all thought the history and most of all he didn?t want to share his power with nobody. USA finds allies on the other side, the Croat and Bosnian president which along the Americans they have their own agenda, and that was creating two independent states. So what is all about? Simply, their paths has been crossed that time, and they all work together to achieve their own plans. Slobodan Milosevic faces the only superpower left in the world with no allies and no agenda. Who will prevail, what do you think? The only thing he care is to stay in absolute power, and he manage to achieve that lighting up people with cheap nationalism in the early ?90ies and later when he started to loose people support with his system of repression on his own Serbian people. So, from my point of view, and point of view of many Serbs, he was crappie president and the leader, who is responsible for many Serbian deaths along former Yugoslavia by doing nothing more than managing to stay on power. But when west try to charge Milosevic for something that he didn?t do, we have no other choice but to stay on his side on this matter, even if we disagree with his rule in Serbia.

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He was only guilty for war in Croatia

Damian_Maxcash

So he wasnt responsible for any deaths?

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Ratko Mladic and Radovan Karadzic will be next.

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I believe that everyone is innocent until court of law says the opposite. You don?t? It?s enough that some media and crocked politicians (like Bill Clinton, Tony Blair, and the others) point finger into somebody and charge him for whatever they like, from obvious political reasons? Maybe I will disappoint you but that?s not the way it?s going. If you observe Milosevic trial you could see that most of the evidence of the prosecution is based on propaganda war, and that is not proof on court of law, even on political court like Hague.

They trial him for full 5 years and they didn?t manage to judge him guilty? How much time they need? 10, 15 years? If he is guilty as charged and if ?everybody knows that?, and if they have strong evidence that points him guilty I think time that we are measuring his trial would be weeks, not years. At the end, he was ill, and on several occasions he asked for proper medical treatment. Last time it was in Dec. 2005, when he asked to be temporarily released to Moscow for medical treatment, and every time Hague tribunal turns him down, accusing he is just pretending to be ill? Why? Wouldn?t they want to see him alive and in good health to be sentenced and punished? Maybe it?s the best way out to them, since arguments they have been used in trial fade away? It?s a big question.

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Some links ;)

http://www.balkanpeace.org/temp/tmp13.html
http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/releases/1997/iran.htm
http://www.hercegbosna.org/engleski/cromusl.html

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He hasn't responsible for deaths Hague tribunal is accusing him.

He hasn't ordered mass murders, rapes, and other atrocities committed. He was accused by so called "chain of command responsibility". That in other words means if some sick fuck on battlefield commit atrocity, president of state will be charged as guilty because "he might have knowledge that some soldier is going to commit atrocity, and if you have knowledge about atrocity to not doing anything about it".

And this is not all. Hague tribunal accused every major Serbian politician who did his duty during NATO aggression, so we have in Hague, president of federal republic, president of Serbia, ministry of finance, president of government, and politicians, who have sitting right now in Hague jail waiting 3 years (!!!) on the start their trial. Does it sound a normal to you? If I accidentally was a president of government during that period just caring out my regular duties, there is no doubt that I would sit now in Hague because ?chain of command guilty? (!?) It is ridiculous!

Personally I am not defending anybody, I am just discussing about facts, that?s all. Serbian soldiers committed atrocities are facing trials for those war crimes now in Serbia, and even during the war. Of course, there was not a single journalist from the west to report about that. That?s not news worth to be published to them. I bet you won?t find a Serb that will justify terrifying Srebrenica war crime. Every normal Serb will condemn this particular crime, as well other crimes committed in Serbs name. But, will you find a single Bosnian Muslim or Croat that are ready to do the same? I think not, unfortunately.

What are we going to do with members of al-qaeda which are now citizens of Bosnia? Check out this video, where western journalist tries to answer that question. What we are going to do with the fact that Bosnian president Alija Izetbegovic organizes all that? What are we going to do with the fact that Osama bin Laden was in Bosnia and Kosovo, while US troops knew that? Of course they were allies that time?
http://www.sky.com/skynews/video/vid..._p3705,00.html

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spacemonk

Oh boy, oh boy.. There is this thing called responsibility, which *should* go along with power. The president is the supreme commander of the country's military forces which means he sets the rules and thus he carries all responsibility.

If he wanted to, he could have charged any soldiers commiting war crimes. He chose not to and that makes him directly responsible. Reinhard Heidrich was the man who planned "The Final Solution", the plan to rid the world of "The dirty Jew". Is Hitler not guility because Heidrich was the one who plotted the plan?

Your ignorance is simply astounding.

There is absolutely nothing redicolous about that. Chain of command is something that absolutely exists in any society and is just what the name says - chain of command. They all had the possibility to do something - they chose not to. Even if they "really couldn't" do anything about it they should have resigned at that point, relieving themselves of any responsibility, again - they chose not to and now have to stand trial and prove they were innocent just as the prosecution has to try to prove they are guility.

That is something countless victims of the balkan wars were not given - a right to live and stand trial.

I am really sorry to be the one to pull you back to reality, but you speak of it as if that was something you should be now applauded for. Newsflash, that's exactly what happens to criminals in all *civilized* societies. Nothing unusual about that, unlike mass murders which is certanly something the media would cover with great inetrest.

Judging by what was heard on the stadium in Belgrade when the bulk of yugoslavian people were shouting when Bosnian soccer team was playing in belgrade recently (what would be translated to "Knife! Wire! Srebrenica!" as far is I know) I think you are a bit off with your first statement.

Also, you are a tad bit off with your second statement. You go on with demonizing other nationalities, yes I'm sure all Croat and Bosnian people don't acknowledge or condemn any crimes commited by members of their armed forces, that is a *vritue* only seen in Serbs.. Give me a break please.


Yes I agree, its sad that the whole world was and still is plotting conspiracies against the righteous serbian people. I mean, there were the evil tyrants in slovenia, mujahedins in bosnia, nazis in croatia, terrorists in kosovo and the freemasons ruling the evil western world that all have a single cause - to destroy the innocent serbian people.

Where did we see this before I wonder? Oh right, it was in Germany, those Adolph, Heinrich and Joseph guys that saw the imminent danger of the dirty jewish and slavic plots to erradicate the supreme race.

Again, give me a break.

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CDSmith

Let's get one thing straight right now. It was not "NATO aggression", it was Serbian aggression.

If you think otherwise, well, there's no point in even engaging in debate with you, because you clearly have a skewed view of the issue.


The way I see it is, back in the mid 90's before the war all you saw on TV for a while was this short stalky funny-looking little man with really REALLY fucked up hair, telling NATO and the world "how it's going to be". Like most dictators he was unwilling to listen to or cosider any attempts at diplomacy, he obviously wanted what he wanted and was going to have it. Period.

Sure enough, war erupts. Over 300,000 people flee various parts of Bosnia, running for their lives towards the border. Others that were caught in the path of the Serbs reportedly suffered death, execution, rape, torture, you name it.

The beautiful Olympic village and sports venues in Sarajevo were bombed to rubble. Does it really matter what the history and bad blood between people over there is/was? The fact is, all of it could have been avoided, and one man certainly had the power to prevent it or most of it.

I saw Canada respond. People here opened their homes to refugees who wanted to come here, while many many others donated money, food, blankets, clothing and more. Canada sent medicines and military aid, as did several other countries, forming a coalition to go in there and slap those fucking Serbs back in their place.

Is Milosevic the only one responsible? Hell no. But he is certainly no hero, and anyone who says otherwise has their head up their ass.

And for anyone to sit there and say "the west just sat by and watched" is an idiot. The same goes for anyone insinuating the tired old retoric that we are "brainwashed by CNN"..... because not all of us watch only that news station. Some of us read, from various newspapers and internet sources to catching broadcasts from the BBC and other countries. Some of us (like myself) even know some Serbs and Bosnians living here and have spoken to them about their views. Most of the Serbs I was around back then were not all that proud of what their country was doing at that time, I can tell you that.

Is it right to celebrate a man's death? In this case I would say the guy got away lucky by dying now, for he certainly deserved a much longer period of pain & suffering than he got. He and the soldiers who did his bidding while committing those atrocities are a black mark on the face of Serbia, like it or not.


Oh no, wait, I take it all back..... you're right, like everything else in the world it was all the USA's fault.

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The sad part is there are so many people outraged about what Slobodan Milosevic did, yet almost no one case the the same kind of brutal murdering and ethnic cleansing is going on in Africa today.

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Anyone watched this video?
http://www.sky.com/skynews/video/vid..._p3705,00.html
If they were killed then and captured the two towers in New York and thousands of US peoples lives would be saved

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donnie

You can't argue with this idiot. The whole world watched what was happening in Croatia and in Bosnia and what serbs did there. Serbia and serbians are human waste, backward nation in the middle of Europe.

milosevic was a piece of shit, pig, and he deserved much much worse death. I am not relligios but I hope there is hell for people like him

gnet

I don't believe what my TV tells me, but I'll believe what my good friend told me. A guy who was forced to leave his town with a gun pointed at his 3 year old son's head, and told he didn't deserve to live because he was the scum of the earth. Imagine losing everything you own (and almost every member of your family) because some sicko brainwashed an army into believing you didn't deserve to breathe the same air as them. I'll also believe my next door neighbor who came here 7 years ago with nothing more than the clothes on his back. His family was all murdered while he was out trying to support them. Including his infant daughter who was barely old enough to talk. You know, old enough to say something like "please serbian officer, don't filet me like a fish."

So while your economy got messed up, there are those out there living the rest of their lives just waiting to die, because everything they lived for was stolen from them by a sick and twisted individual.

donnie

I love it when serbs try to get americans on their side using arguments like this. USA bombed you back to the stoneage where you belong. If they only have killed ALL of you backward idiots, Anna Lindh would still be alive.

I am sure idiot like you don't even know who she was so here it is. Anna Lindh was a Swedish foreign minister and she was killed by a SERBIAN TERRORIST MIHAILO MIHALOVIC because she supported NATO's bombing of serbia.

Need I remand you that SERBIAN TERRORIST GAVRLIO PRINCIP started WWI??

King Adam

So many stupid Americans .. including me!!!

Problem is that Americans only know what the media tells them. There is so much more to things in the world then know. America makes so much fucking money of arms deals its scary. Even though we don't fight the wars, we supply a lot of them with weaons, ammo and other military products. If the US didn't sell arms to the world, our economy would get hit bad.

Think about it .. what are some of the biggest sources of income for the US?

- Arms deals
- Stealing oil
- Doing business with the countries that create terrorists.

America is so fucked up these days and only about 5% of Americans really have a clue how bad it is and how evil our government is.

I don't know the history of this war well enough to say anything. There are 2 sides and I along with most of you are un-educated about the entire war. So unless you really know what you are talking about ... you might want to just sit back and read.

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Theo

harsh comment, what's your nationality if you dont mind? A nation of angels and saints I assume.

Nick81

you know what, Serbs actually were US allies in both WWI and WWII.read the history.

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I never generalize, there is at least as many good people in serbia as in any other country of the same size.

Nothing good ever came out of generalization and sticking labels on masses of people just because of their origin, religion etc.

I do understand your bitterness though.

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I am swedish. And yes, girls here are angels

spacemonk

What does that have to do with what he said?

He stated that a serbian terrorist started WWII which is a fact. The guy assasinated the Austian Tzar which caused Austria to declare war on Serbia.

There were a lot of underlying tensions yes, but that event was the spark that started the whole damn mess which otherwise might have been avoided.

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Theo

Swedish girls are angels and you are religious biased about Serbians. USA bombed them back to the stoneage and now it comes after your beliefs. Isn't that ironic thing to say?

As spacemonk pointed out nothing good ever came out of generalization . At least you should know that better.

Manga1

We bombed the wrong side?
National Post - April 6, 2004

by Major General Lewis MacKenzie (Canada)


Five years ago our television screens were dominated by pictures of Kosovo-Albanian refugees escaping across Kosovo's borders to the sanctuaries of Macedonia and Albania. Shrill reports indicated that Slobodan Milosevic's security forces were conducting a campaign of genocide and that at least 100,000 Kosovo-Albanians had been exterminated and buried in mass graves throughout the Serbian province. NATO sprung into action and, in spite of the fact no member nation of the alliance was threatened, commenced bombing not only Kosovo, but the infrastructure and population of Serbia itself -- without the authorizing United Nations resolution so revered by Canadian leadership, past and present.

Those of us who warned that the West was being sucked in on the side of an extremist, militant, Kosovo-Albanian independence movement were dismissed as appeasers. The fact that the lead organization spearheading the fight for independence, the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), was universally designated a terrorist organization and known to be receiving support from Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda was conveniently ignored.

The recent dearth of news in the North American media regarding the increase in violence in Kosovo compared to the comprehensive coverage in the European press strongly suggests that we Canadians don't like to admit it when we are wrong. On the contrary, selected news clips on this side of the ocean continue to reinforce the popular spin that those dastardly Serbs are at it again.

A case in point was the latest crisis that exploded on March 15. The media reported that four Albanian boys had been chased into the river Ibar in Mitrovica by at least two Serbs and a dog (the dog's ethnic affiliation was not reported). Three of the boys drowned and one escaped to the other side. Immediately, thousands of Albanians mobilized and concentrated in the area of the divided city. Attacks on Serbs took place throughout the province resulting in an estimated 30 killed and 600 wounded. Thirty Serbian Christian Orthodox churches and monasteries were destroyed, more than 300 homes were burnt to the ground and six Serbian villages cleansed of their occupants. One hundred and fifty international peacekeepers were injured.

Totally ignored in North America were the numerous statements from impartial sources that said there was no incident between the Serbs, the dog and the Albanian boys. NATO Police spokesman Derek Chappell stated on March 16 that it was "definitely not true" that the boys had been chased into the river by Serbs. Chappell went on to say that the surviving boy had told his parents that they had entered the river alone and that three of his friends had been swept away by the current. Admiral Gregory Johnson, the overall NATO commander, further stated that the ensuing clashes were "orchestrated and well-planned ethnic cleansing" by the Kosovo-Albanians. Those Serbs forced to leave joined the 200,000 who had been cleansed from the province since NATO's "humanitarian" bombing in 1999. The '"cleansees" have become very effective "cleansers."

In the same week a number of individuals posing as Serbs ambushed and killed a UN policeman and his local police partner. During the firefight one of them was wounded which caused an immediate switch from Serbian to Albanian as he screamed, "I've been hit"! The UN pursued the attackers and tracked them to an Albanian-run farm where they discovered weapons and the wounded Albanian who had died from his wounds. Four Albanians were arrested. Once again, the ambush had been reported in the United States but not the follow-up which clearly indicated yet another orchestrated provocation by the Albanian terrorists.

Kosovo is administered by the UN, the very organization many Canadians have indicated they would like to see take over from the United States in Iraq. The fact the UN cannot order its civilian employees to go or stay anywhere -- they have to volunteer -- combined with recent history that saw the UN abandon Iraq after a single brutal attack on their compound in Baghdad and the reality that Kosovo, under the organization's administration, is a basket case, disqualifies it from consideration for such a role.

Since the NATO/UN intervention in 1999, Kosovo has become the crime capital of Europe. The sex slave trade is flourishing. The province has become an invaluable transit point for drugs en route to Europe and North America. Ironically, the majority of the drugs come from another state "liberated" by the West, Afghanistan. Members of the demobilized, but not eliminated, KLA are intimately involved in organized crime and the government. The UN police arrest a small percentage of those involved in criminal activities and turn them over to a judiciary with a revolving door that responds to bribes and coercion. The objective of the Albanians is to purge all non-Albanians, including the international community's representatives, from Kosovo and ultimately link up with mother Albania thereby achieving the goal of "Greater Albania." The campaign started with their attacks on Serbian security forces in the early 1990s and they were successful in turning Milosevic's heavy-handed response into worldwide sympathy for their cause. There was no genocide as claimed by the West -- the 100,000 allegedly buried in mass graves turned out to be around 2,000, of all ethnic origins, including those killed in combat during the war itself.

The Kosovo-Albanians have played us like a Stradivarius. We have subsidized and indirectly supported their violent campaign for an ethnically pure and independent Kosovo.We have never blamed them for being the perpetrators of the violence in the early '90s and we continue to portray them as the designated victim today in spite of evidence to the contrary. When they achieve independence with the help of our tax dollars combined with those of bin Laden and al-Qaeda, just consider the message of encouragement this sends to other terrorist-supported independence movements around the world.

Funny how we just keep digging the hole deeper!

Maj-Gen. Lewis MacKenzie, now retired, commanded UN troops during the Bosnian civil war of 1992.

SOURCE: National Post (Canada) April 06, 2004 - Comment pg. A14


Lets see how many of you idiots will think you know more than this Canadian General who led the UN peacekeeping mission during the Bosnian civil war.

KRL

People are outraged. Don't think for a second the world doesn't know what's going on over there.

The problem is you can only handle so many battles at one time. And unfortunately conflicts are prioritized based on their strategic, political and economic importance.

There are lots of other Armys in the world besides the US more than capable of going to the countries having tribal conflicts. But we all know the last thing the US Military wants is for other countries to start playing cop to the world too and outshining them.

Why doesn't some other military besides the US step up to the plate for a change? Probably cost is the main factor. What other country is willing to not only sidestep the US, but also bear the expense of hundreds of billions to fight wars not important to their own security? You don't see any hands going up do you?

This is the reality of Africa.

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There were occupation of one barack of Yugoslav Army in Slovenia, couple of young regruts were killed at the age 18-21, noone was talking about that. I'm totally aware of the fact that they wanted authonomy, but the aggression was not the right way.

There were a lot of mujahedins in Bosnia, it was the only country that were giving them their passport. Remember shits happening in NYC, in UK and all around the globe?! How many of them were having Bosnian passport? (I'm not telling that Muslims are bad, but terrorists are killers!)

Remember Jasenovac?! The biggest death camp in Croatia?
Take a look at the official presentation:

What was Jasenovac?.

This was repeated in the war starting from 1991. All of this were made by the hand of the croatian Nazis! I suppose there are a lot of Jews here, and I'm totally sure that they already know that Jews were killed there too!!!
So, just as you said, there were no Nazis in Croatia...
(Once again, I don't hate Croatian people!)

There were no terrorist in Kosovo, too, beside the fact my neighbour died at the age of 24, due to terrorist ambush near Prishtina and he was not a soldier! He was just a student who was traveling there and he was killed in the bus! There were a load of shits repeating al the time. Klina massacre was nothing but a big setup: lot of real soldiers killed in the village under arms. People from Netherlands would tell you that their pathologists in comprehensive study verified this a long time ago!

My best friend is living 20km from there and he was speaking to me about the situtation there. Those were killed paramilitary soldiers (Kosovo doesn't have it's own army, because it is still the part of Serbia), members of UCK, caught up in a village under arms. And what do you to do armed soldiers who are shooting at you?! After a week long siege, they didn't want to surrender and to stay alive. What would US Army do to someone that don't want to surrender and keep on shooting?!

And after all you are telling me that bombing of Yugoslavia in '99. was not an act of aggression?! Have you ever seen your friends and relatives dying due to bombs?! Cluster bombs were dropped in the centre of Nish, the second biggest city in Serbia. There were dropped at the midday at the city market and killed many people.

Just as a reminder: cluster bombs are against Geneva convention! and none could use them!

I'm not hating other nations here, Croats or Muslims, I had a Muslim girlfriend, she is from Sarajevo, and that was couple of years ago. I have tons of friends from Croatia. My favourite english teacher in elementary school (that was 1992-1996) is from Split,Croatia. She didn't have a single problem during the wars here.

You can't compare Germany in the Second World War and Serbia during 90ties. There were no single Death Camp in Serbia and no mass killings! There were killings of the civilians, but not a single one made by any member of the Yugoslav Army! Paramilitary formations were formed, but that was not on the Serbian grounds!
As in any other war killings of civilians should be violently punished!!!

I'm not trying to talk good about Milosevic, he was a tyrant and a scumbag, just as I said, and he made too much evil to Serbian citizens. Serbian citizens were his biggest victims!

But I'm asured, as the President of Yugoslavia, President of Serbia and Commander of Yugoslav Military, Milosevic didn't order single mass killing! Are you aware of the fact that he would be lynched here for something like that!!!

Due to some bad politicians, you couldn't tell all the Serbian nation is the evil and all the others are good!

And at the end:
AGGRESSION and WARS are EVIL!
You should stop believing lies and start thinking yourself!

spacemonk

Present any kind of actual proof and I will leave this discussion forever. This is utter bullshit based on the same propaganda that Milosevic and his people used to scare serbian people and give them a reason to fight for their monstrous cause.

Sorry, but I do not consider a site with hidden whois info accepting donations through paypal a credible source. Noone can deny that atrocities were commited by the Axis powers and their allies, but a fake whois propaganda website is hardly something people should base their assumptions on.

Biased website . EOD

The real number of victims in those non-german camps has always been and remains a mystery. Untill someone comes through with hard evidence neither the ones inflating nor the ones deflating the number of victims have any ground to stand on.

The camps existed, what was being carried on in those camps is absolutely monstrous and deserves utter contempt and must not be forgotten, but using those unfortunate events that took place decades ago to justify doing the same kind of attrocities in recent past is simply unexcusable. You cannot fix bad things by doing them again to other people.

Also, to say all Croats were nazis is just another prime example of propaganda used to cause bad blood in the balkans in 90ies. A vast part of croatian population was against what the nazi regime was doing and was a part of the partisan movement that finaly liberated what was to become post-WWII Yugoslavia.

As for the topic of Anti-Semitism, it was omnipresent in Serbia as well during the 1940ies untill the comunist partisan forces liberated the country.




Sure, on the other hand, how do you call bombing urban areas during rush hours (sarajevo marketplace), bombing hospitals, dropping cassete bombs on cities far away from the frontlines just to cause terror, destroying centuries old monuments, shelling churches? All of that the serbian paramilitary and military forces did more than well. Sorry but that is terrorism on a much bigger scale than blowing buses up and setting up ambushes.



I dont know any facts about this, but what does this prove? That one of the mass killings was infact just a regular skirmish?


NATO gave Milosevic an ultimatum - either sit down and discuss a peacefull resolution or get forced to one by military action. He made his decision and he is the one responsible.

I feel really sorry for all the victims of the NATO bombings and their famillies, just as I feel sorry for all the victims of the balkan wars no matter which side they were on.

I wonder why they were a part of Yugoslav army's arsenal and why were they used on numerous occasions by the serbian forces then? Following your logic of attrocities being commited by deranged individuals, how come those weapons were issued to military units, by military commanders. The persons in command have clearly been aware of the weaponry used by their units and clearly issued orders to utilize those weapons.

This is a prime example why commanders (including chief commanders, the presidents ARE responsible)


Glad to hear that. I never said serbian people were bad, they are as good as any other nation. In fact, serbian people are very warm and friendly people. Every person is a human being no matter what nationality, religion, sexual orientation or hair color he is

I am sorry but that is just not true. Yugoslav Army was well involved in numerous crimes in Vukovar and elsewhere and that is the sole reason former high ranking officers are being charged with war crimes, there is no conspiracy no matter how much you would like one.

Also, it is true that there was no death camps or mass-killings in Serbia because oddly enough, the war was not waged on serbian territory.

Tell that to thousands upon thousands of families that lost their beloved ones.

I totally agree.

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krki

This is the adult board, so fuck Croats, Serbs, Muslims, Milosevic, Tudjman, Izetbegovic, Blair, Clinton, Del Ponte, agression, war, history ... the same shit! It is pretty strange that some posters have more than 20 000 posts for just a year and half or two as members. What do you work, show us some of yours sites, I know some posters in this thread as very good webmasters but for others never heard even I read this board some 3-4 years. This is the good point to stop this crazy thread. The man is dead, only God know his way.

wjxxx

He started WWI not WWII. And he killed Archduke

krki

Did you read my post "THIS IS THE GOOD POINT TO STOP THIS FUCKING THREAD"?

spacemonk

My bad, that second I slipped in there by accident. And yes, it was the Archduke or soon-to-be Tzar.

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dziggy

People like donnie always make my day

First of all donnie I have no intension of arguing with anybody, I am here just to discuss normally with people that don?t share my opinion about this theme. From your attitude I concluded that you obviously have something against the Serb people, but I don?t know the reason.

This is exactly what I am trying to say, but nobody wants to listen. People see Milosevic as a personification of all bad things happened here and Serbs as well, but this is simply not the case. There were many more characters (Croatian president, Bosnian president, politicians from the west, vatikan) and events involved, and I guess only history will said the roll each individual were played in conflict, and give the ultimate truth.


Do you really believe what you just said? Serbia aggressed its own territory? Serbia took a legal action against terrorist in Kosovo, which were killing Serb police, kidnapping Serb civilians and doing massacres on them. Then, on one occasion, there?s been a clash between Serbian army and terrorists. Then, dead bodies of terrorist were masacred after killing in clashes with Serbian army by Albanians themselves, and they called Villiam Walker. Villiam Walker brought up media to show how ?Serbian repression machine? was ?massacred innocent Albanian civilians?. The all thing was set up by William Walker (and the people he is working for and represents) as a reason to start and justify NATO aggression. What happened next? The independent foreign team of pathologists determined that dead bodies of terrorist was massacred after killing in clashes from gun wounds by Serbian army. But, at that point, nobody really cares about the truth. Nato war machine already been started, and guess who takes all the blame for it?

Another thing. You say it?s not aggression? How come? In order to attack a sovereign country you need approval and decision to attack of United Nations security council. Did you know that? NATO leaded by US government flagrant ignored that breaking international law, and decided to attack sovereign country for false reason. Who is going to be put on trial for that? Do you think there is going to be the trial at all, and people responsible for that brought to justice? NO. It?s all about ? I have a big gun, and you don?t .

Do you know that NATO used cluster bombs (which is forbidden to use by Geneva convention!) on populated cities killing only civilians? Do you know that NATO bombed hospitals, schools, bridges, power plants, infrastructure, trains, markets killing on that occasions only civilians? Do you know that NATO bombed Serbian national TV station in the middle of the night in downtown of the Belgrade killing 40 journalists and technical staff? They do that just because they didn?t like the picture we were sending out to the world about their destruction of civilian buildings and lost of life of innocent civilians. Don?t you think this is war crime against one country and it?s people, and that somebody needs to take the blame for it? No? That?s what I thought so. It?s all Serbs guilt for not allowing terrorist to terrorizing Serbian minority on Kosovo and for trying to protect it?s own people there, right?


Now more facts?
Do you remember tragic event in Sarajevo in 1992 when a grenade shell felt on market full of people, Muslim people? Media immediately accused Serbs for it? then, security council accused Serbia for that massacre which leaded to UN sanction on Serbia. After few years, British experts determined that grenade shell was come from Muslim side, and what do you think it happened then? Nothing! Sanction stays and I don?t remember any foreign media coverage of that. Simply nobody cares because Serbs are marked as regularly the bad guys and this is not fitting in that context. They killed own people just to accuse the other side?and nobody can erase that fact from the history!

You said lot?s of inaccurate things. First of all, he as supreme commander did make an order that army must process at trial all war crimes committed by Serbian forces in war. There were, and there sure will be more trials about that in Serbia. That was one of his proofs on Hague tribunal (if you monitored the trial). On the same time, he never gave an order to his troops to kill civilians or to do war crimes. I wonder what else he as a president could do more about it? And, please don?t use lies anymore, ok?

It?s also interested your comparison him with Hitler. Milosevic never said that any other nation on Balkans should be killed. He never said it, he never wrote it, and he never ordered it. That?s why they couldn?t verdict him guilty for 5 years ? they don?t have evidence which will link him with all the shit that was happened ? which they are trying to. So that type of your comparison simply can?t be right.

Point of my text was to tell that we are facing trials war criminals itself, because people abroad don?t know that. They think we don?t give a shit about it. We can see Croats facing trials their war criminals as well, but I didn?t see it on Bosnian side. Bosnian muslims are denying all atrocities they commit! We have a wall of silence there, they don?t want to face their shit, but they never misses the opportunity to accuse others (Serbs).

Your ignorance is simply astounding.
That group of people shouting that on the stadium is a bunch of hooligans, and as bunch of hooligans their place is on margins of our society. But, you forgot to mention that democratic elected president of Serbia (by majority of votes, Serbian people votes) was in commemoration to all killed in Srebrenica! Now tell me when was a single muslim politician even admit that Muslims during a war was doing atrocities on Serbs? Never! It?s a conspiracy of silence! See no evil, hear no evil. There is no evil, right? Admit your own shit, punish people responsible for atrocities so everyone can turn on to future!

Man, you are or blind or simply don?t want to see things that every other man will see! I wonder why? Who said anything about ?plotting conspiracies against the righteous serbian people? I just posted a link with video that foreign journalist records about a roll of Alija Izetbegovic his connection with terrorism and Osama bin Laden. A guy was there! People can draw conclusions themselves. I can?t help you if you don?t like what you see.

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dziggy

Let me conclude. I don?t have anything against any nation in the world, but facing prejudices and generalization which I felt on my skin makes me angry. It happens almost every time when you need to cross the border? custom workers watch and treat you like terrorist, just because of lies launched against nation I belong.

The stakes are high. Politics is in the game. Law doesn?t always necessary have to mean justice, and we Serb people must fight against lies about our own people and the role our nation and leaders taken during conflict. We must be able to saw the intensions of today?s people representing ?democracy? to blame Serb nation for all bloody events that took place during ?90ies. They are not prosecuting plain vanilla war criminals, they wants to accuse and then bring the verdict to all leading Serbian politicians (while other nations politicians excluded), which will help them to say ? look, all your politicians which were elected by your people are guilt for aggression/genocide, so Serbian nation who brought those people to power will be declare genocidal. That will mean that Serbs should pay the ultimate price for all events, be marked as genocidal, while all the others get clean. We must fight the lies, and never let that happened!


Thank you all for taking time reading this.

Over & Out

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I see a lot of anti-Serb sentiment here lol

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Webby

And thanks for the time you took to write this.

It is an easy route to simply pigeon-hole nations and people without the first idea of what is involved and the underlying implications.

The public rarely have any insight into the underlying issues in conflicts and wars - the are simply told to take sides and/or fight and die for a "cause". (Iraq is a prime current example).

One mans terrorist is the others freedom fighter - may you avoid having to see either side.

Peace out.

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yol_yo_yo

I watched a documentory on it, he treated his people like shit. if the documentry is unbiased. good riddance. If it is biased rip

Webby

Sure - There remain obvious questions that need answering - including answers from indivduals currently "unavailable". Their time will come.

There are also answers required of those who are "available" - examples, why are "surgical strikes" so wildly inaccurate they are capable to bombing an embassy noplace near the claimed target? Why are western intelligence services sitting in cars while they witness others execute people? Pass a clean towel.

Conflicts seem to bring out the good, the bad and the slime from the swamp.

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panicm

WTF you are talking about? Do you even know where Srebrenica is?

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