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jjjay · 03-09-2006, 10:16 AM

fiddy

that's all I have to say

carry on

edit: fuck it, i missed

SilentKnight · 03-09-2006, 10:20 AM

I was wonderin' how long before Imageman would get around to postin' my favorite iBalls logo.

willow · 03-09-2006, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Here's

Go invest in a fucking clue.

Just to think, if you'd picked a better billing company you'd have more than 2 cents to give away.

SilentKnight · 03-09-2006, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by willow

Just to think, if you'd picked a better billing company you'd have more than 2 cents to give away.

So...you're insinuating its the fault of iBill clients who "picked them" - that we all got ripped off?

As for a "better billing company" - many others here on GFY will agree that iBill was quite good for many years...up until Sept/'04.

Fact of the matter is - we're among the very lucky few who were paid in full - long after Sept/'04. But not before they bounced a large cheque which caused us further delay and headaches.

But you can keep extolling the virtues of iBall, dispensing your revisionist history and erroneous and misinformed rhetoric. Those of us who have been there/done that and have kept up with current events know the score.

MacDaddyPlaya · 03-09-2006, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by willow

Just to think, if you'd picked a better billing company you'd have more than 2 cents to give away.

Can't blame the victim for the crime.

imageman · 03-09-2006, 10:32 AM

You did a great job on the graphics so i can not let that go to waste
(See the other Iballs threads for more logos!!!!)

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

I was wonderin' how long before Imageman would get around to postin' my favorite iBalls logo.

willow · 03-09-2006, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

So...you're insinuating its the fault of iBill clients who "picked them" - that we all got ripped off?

As for a "better billing company" - many others here on GFY will agree that iBill was quite good for many years...up until Sept/'04.

Fact of the matter is - we're among the very lucky few who were paid in full - long after Sept/'04. But not before they bounced a large cheque which caused us further delay and headaches.

But you can keep extolling the virtues of iBall, dispensing your revisionist history and erroneous and misinformed rhetoric. Those of us who have been there/done that and have kept up with current events know the score.

Yeah, it's your fault you picked a scamming piece o' crap company and didn't do your homework. Anyone who doesn't understand what 'high risk' processing means deserves everything they get. You are lucky you got anything at all.

'Quite Good'...Really? The only thing you could ever say about them is that they always paid on time, and now not even that. You give them more praise than I ever did.

SilentKnight · 03-09-2006, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by willow

Yeah, it's your fault you picked a scamming piece o' crap company and didn't do your homework. Anyone who doesn't understand what 'high risk' processing means deserves everything they get. You are lucky you got anything at all.

Your opinion says all we need to know about you.

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Originally Posted by willow

'Quite Good'...Really? The only thing you could ever say about them is that they always paid on time, and now not even that. You give them more praise than I ever did.

Yep...tons of 'praise'. Look at the top of this page and see more graphic 'praise'. Then go search previous iBall threads and see how much more 'praise' I've bestowed on them in the past six months.

willow · 03-09-2006, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MacDaddyPlaya

Can't blame the victim for the crime.

But when the icebergs are on the horizon, most sensible people would launch a liferaft. Too many people here kept sending them business despite the warning signs. I have little sympathy for that.

willow · 03-09-2006, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Your opinion says all we need to know about you.

So we don't like each other, fair enough.

CDSmith · 03-09-2006, 10:51 AM

Was wondering when the "former employees" would come on here disclosing the 'real truth' and arguing amongst themselves about where the 'real blame lies".

I'm surprised it took this long.

Personally I don't think I would want to tell anyone if I was one of Ibill's former employees. These days I think most who used to process with them and their affiliates (let's not forget the affiliates) see all who were or are involved with Ibill as highly suspect. If that's the case (and I think that it is) I can't say as I blame them. I'm surprised people haven't gone to jail over this mess yet.

Carry on.

captainjapan. · 03-09-2006, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mackey

I find it kinda interesting that a lot of former ibill employees are now posting up.

someone had to have the balls to speak the truth...

i dig how all these segpay/former iballs employees are coming out and defending their beloved company. facts are facts and I do know what I'm talking about.

SilentKnight · 03-09-2006, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by willow

But when the icebergs are on the horizon, most sensible people would launch a liferaft.

Do you think the ship stops on a dime when the iceberg looms?

And how is it that you're so aware of what the various webmasters did and didn't do regarding redundancy plans in advance of Sept/'04?

You imply we all should have woke up one morning and decided to go with another processor by lunch time. Do you know anything about recur billing and the momentum of membership-based revenue?

CDSmith · 03-09-2006, 11:07 AM

All I know is, as an affiliate of many programs, when I see one processing with Ibill or any processor (segpay) affiliated in any way with Ibill, I run the other way, period.

Hopefully some of you so-called 'former' employees can find work at companies who don't cheat people. Seriously, how anyone or any company can take full payment on signups and then neglect to pay their clients/affiliates is beyond me. It has happened in this industry before with design brokers not paying their designers their commissions, but no matter where it happens it always smacks (to me anyway) of utter stupidity and boneheaded mismanagement AND terminably short-sighted thinking.

Too bad cops are so into their own mismanagement of resources instead of nailing real criminals like those who think it's okay to keep money that isn't theirs.

webspider · 03-09-2006, 12:02 PM

Bump this.... up and to hell.

Webby · 03-09-2006, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by webspider

Bump this.... up and to hell.

Woz that you say?

MacDaddyPlaya · 03-09-2006, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Was wondering when the "former employees" would come on here disclosing the 'real truth' and arguing amongst themselves about where the 'real blame lies".

I'm surprised it took this long.

Personally I don't think I would want to tell anyone if I was one of Ibill's former employees. These days I think most who used to process with them and their affiliates (let's not forget the affiliates) see all who were or are involved with Ibill as highly suspect. If that's the case (and I think that it is) I can't say as I blame them. I'm surprised people haven't gone to jail over this mess yet.

Carry on.

I have been on here for quite sometime telling the truth about what happened. I have NO SHAME in telling people I used to work at iBill. I was there early on and I know alot of people made alot of money with iBill.

Like 95% of the people at iBill, I was not in an executive level position and had nothing to do with any of the decisions that were made. I was not in a client facing position and never lied, stole, or cheated a soul. When I got totally fed up with the bullshit, I quit.

You are anyone else want to hold that against me, thats your choice. It just shows me how shallow and ignorant you are and that you would not be someone I would want to be involved with either.

SilentKnight · 03-09-2006, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MacDaddyPlaya

I have been on here for quite sometime telling the truth about what happened. I have NO SHAME in telling people I used to work at iBill. I was there early on and I know alot of people made alot of money with iBill.

Like 95% of the people at iBill, I was not in an executive level position and had nothing to do with any of the decisions that were made. I was not in a client facing position and never lied, stole, or cheated a soul. When I got totally fed up with the bullshit, I quit.

You are anyone else want to hold that against me, thats your choice. It just shows me how shallow and ignorant you are and that you would not be someone I would want to be involved with either.

Well said.

If anything, your former insider input and insight has been interesting and useful over the last while. Rather than chastise you...others should be more appreciative that you're willing to share your experiences and what you know about iBull.

MacDaddyPlaya · 03-09-2006, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Well said.

If anything, your former insider input and insight has been interesting and useful over the last while. Rather than chastise you...others should be more appreciative that you're willing to share your experiences and what you know about iBull.

Thanks, I appreciate that. Shows the type of person you are, and since I believe in Karma, that is why you got paid in full

CDSmith · 03-09-2006, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MacDaddyPlaya

I have been on here for quite sometime telling the truth about what happened. I have NO SHAME in telling people I used to work at iBill. I was there early on and I know alot of people made alot of money with iBill.

Like 95% of the people at iBill, I was not in an executive level position and had nothing to do with any of the decisions that were made. I was not in a client facing position and never lied, stole, or cheated a soul. When I got totally fed up with the bullshit, I quit.

You are anyone else want to hold that against me, thats your choice. It just shows me how shallow and ignorant you are and that you would not be someone I would want to be involved with either.

Is that so?

Acting like there's some surprise that there is some animosity and anger out there over this issue is what's ignorant my friend. Think about it. It's also a form of shallow thinking to get defensive over what I said. It in fact wouldn't surprise me one bit to find that some people might hold ibill and ANYONE affiliated with them as suspect.

All I said was that personally I would not want it known if I had been employed by them, that's all. It's your right to take exception to that of course, but I think you're being a tad oversensitive about it. If you're so innocent then why the need to get all defensive?

CDSmith · 03-09-2006, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Well said.

If anything, your former insider input and insight has been interesting and useful over the last while. Rather than chastise you...others should be more appreciative that you're willing to share your experiences and what you know about iBull.

Problem being.... whose word to trust?

There seems to be conflicting stories from several former employees.

Macdadplayadude - no insult was meant to you directly.

363R · 03-09-2006, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MacDaddyPlaya

I don't know who you are but you have NO idea what you are talking about regarding this one. As a former iBill employee myself, one that was there for the rise and the fall, I know the REAL deal. Cathy had nothing to do with what happened at the end. You don't know shit. Cathy was let go when Intercept took over and brought their management team. She came back at the very end, after the damage was done to try and save a sinking ship.

The only other management person at SegPay is Chris Williams, who also had nothing to do with the mismanagement of iBill. In fact, he was only involved with iBill EU.

Before you spew you fucking bullshit, know what the fuck you are talking about. Or at least make sure there isn't someone else who actually does know the facts.

This man speaks the truth.

MacDaddyPlaya · 03-09-2006, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Is that so?

Acting like there's some surprise that there is some animosity and anger out there over this issue is what's ignorant my friend. Think about it. It's also a form of shallow thinking to get defensive over what I said. It in fact wouldn't surprise me one bit to find that some people might hold ibill and ANYONE affiliated with them as suspect.

All I said was that personally I would not want it known if I had been employed by them, that's all. It's your right to take exception to that of course, but I think you're being a tad oversensitive about it. If you're so innocent then why the need to get all defensive?

CD, I'm not getting defensive and I have never come on here and posted things I couldn't back up with evidence. There is no surprise at the animosity over this issue and I never showed surprise. In fact, I have as much animosity over this as anyone.

What you need to understand and realize is that there was over 300 people at iBill. Most of them worked their asses off for clients and as a result of that hard work alot of people made a lot of money. Out of the 300 employees, maybe a handful had any authority in making decisions at the level that impacted what happened. To hold anyone who worked there, regardless of what they did suspect is what is ignorant to me friend.

MacDaddyPlaya · 03-09-2006, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 363R

This man speaks the truth.

Thanks, I have always tried to let the facts be known.

CDSmith · 03-09-2006, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MacDaddyPlaya

CD, I'm not getting defensive and I have never come on here and posted things I couldn't back up with evidence. There is no surprise at the animosity over this issue and I never showed surprise. In fact, I have as much animosity over this as anyone.

What you need to understand and realize is that there was over 300 people at iBill. Most of them worked their asses off for clients and as a result of that hard work alot of people made a lot of money. Out of the 300 employees, maybe a handful had any authority in making decisions at the level that impacted what happened. To hold anyone who worked there, regardless of what they did suspect is what is ignorant to me friend.

My comment about people needing to go to jail wasn't directed at employees of ibill. Apologies, I should have made that clearer in my post.

Also, I never said I personally felt that way, I only said I wouldn't be surprised if some people did. When there is this much money on the line, where so many are owed, many whose lives and businesses were hurt badly or downright ruined over it.... well, there's bound to be some ill feelings over all things ibill. That's pretty much all I meant.

In light of that your need to not only set things straight where you are concerned but also hit back at me struck me as... odd.

MacDaddyPlaya · 03-09-2006, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

My comment about people needing to go to jail wasn't directed at employees of ibill. Apologies, I should have made that clearer in my post.

Also, I never said I personally felt that way, I only said I wouldn't be surprised if some people did. When there is this much money on the line, where so many are owed, many whose lives and businesses were hurt badly or downright ruined over it.... well, there's bound to be some ill feelings over all things ibill. That's pretty much all I meant.

In light of that your need to not only set things straight where you are concerned but also hit back at me struck me as... odd.

No worries, didn't mean to hit back at you, just trying to set the record straight.

CDSmith · 03-09-2006, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MacDaddyPlaya

No worries, didn't mean to hit back at you, just trying to set the record straight.

I hope you can also respect those in my position. It is difficult to judge just who is being on the level and factual and who is being spiteful and spreading misinformation.... and whose posts are marbled with a bit of both.

It's hard to know what or who to believe in cases like this.

The ongoing story is interesting to watch though.

Pornwolf · 03-09-2006, 01:40 PM

I just want to be a part of history.

Carry on.

MacDaddyPlaya · 03-09-2006, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

I hope you can also respect those in my position. It is difficult to judge just who is being on the level and factual and who is being spiteful and spreading misinformation.... and whose posts are marbled with a bit of both.

It's hard to know what or who to believe in cases like this.

The ongoing story is interesting to watch though.

I can repect your position. Like I said, I never post shit that isn't factual and can't be backed up by data and evidence. The point of my posts have always been to state the facts and clear up the bullshit. I have absolutely no personal agenda in all this.

Kimmykim · 03-09-2006, 03:29 PM

Anyone who thinks that Cathy B is responsible for all the crap that happened at IBill probably thinks thinks that JR was never shot and that Bobby really did die.

Look at who was running the show when the downhill slide started picking up steam. MCI was one big warmup, lol...

Scottie Apples · 03-09-2006, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by debsdeepthroat

fact is ibill still owes alot of people money...I would work with any company that hires ANY former ibill employees....The sales men lie...secretarys lie....janitors prolly lie too
They all belong in one place together
Jail

Holy crap, i couldnt have said it better myself!

Gumball · 03-09-2006, 10:08 PM

I agree, blame iBill from sep 04, but why blame the guys that bought it? makes no sence to me. they paid out big money on old fuck ups caused by past owners. If you dont blame Kathy (and I don't) why blame the new guys trying to save it??? also check out AVNONLINE.com for news story, very interesting...seems like FBI has already been there

sixxxthsense · 03-09-2006, 10:18 PM

one thing thats still amazing is that they are still allowed to run their fucking shit? your country is fucked up!

Gumball · 03-09-2006, 10:21 PM

Canada=USAlight....HEY!

MacDaddyPlaya · 03-10-2006, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Gumball

I agree, blame iBill from sep 04, but why blame the guys that bought it? makes no sence to me. they paid out big money on old fuck ups caused by past owners. If you dont blame Kathy (and I don't) why blame the new guys trying to save it??? also check out AVNONLINE.com for news story, very interesting...seems like FBI has already been there

You are a complete FUCKTARD. For the 10,000th time, THERE ARE NO NEW OWNERS AT IBILL. The new guys who are trying to save it are the same old guys who fucked it all up.

ForteCash · 03-10-2006, 06:58 AM

Fuck them, they are bad for the industry.

DAVESNOTHERE · 04-14-2006, 12:54 PM

bump for clipman!

Manowar · 04-14-2006, 01:00 PM

Very interesting

Kjell · 04-14-2006, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by willow

Let me break it down for people. A few years ago Mastercard came along and revised their rules and decided, because they could, to RETROACTIVELY apply those rules to adult ipsps for the previous two years. Huge fines everywhere. Anyone still standing today in the ipsp biz had the cash to pay this.

As a former Exec at an IPSP, I can tell you that this is not true.

Gaybucks · 04-14-2006, 09:28 PM

This may have been covered elsewhere, but Ibill apparently just sold its entire processing operation (including webmasters private information, all customer information, rebilling info, etc) to Etelegate, an EU-based company that, among other things, has exhorbitant fees ($1.99/mo PROCESSING fee per subscriber renewal, on top of the discount rate and other charges, just for starters...)

Several webmasters over at GayWideWebmasters have managed to get in touch and arrange cancellation of all the rebills, but it's another disaster waiting to happen.

And, of course, neither Etelegate nor Ibill notified their webmasters about the arrangemement.

pornguy · 04-14-2006, 09:33 PM

We tried to sign up with them years ago, and after two weeks of chasing them on the phone, they could not get things set up, So we went to ccbill. And thank fucking god.

Major (Tom) · 04-14-2006, 09:51 PM

i totally feel that if my rep gave me a heads up when they knew it was pretty much done i'd have had my money. But I was told the money was gone and thats it... when in fact i know of 10-15 who got paid in full.

I feel i was let down. I think any rep that didnt tell their clients to sue after week 1 did their clients a disservice. I dont know about you, but trusting anyone over at i bill or any of the ibill jr's just aint going to happen for me.
Duke

Well Dunn · 04-14-2006, 09:57 PM

They actualy have a pennystock? I know the SEC doesnt care much for that end of the market, but damn, how can they let people invest into a shit storm like ibill.

fl_prn_str · 04-14-2006, 10:00 PM

will the ibill story ever die? I fell the pain of those they fucked over....but its just like crying over spilled milk anymore......its time to face facts....your fucked and you will never get your $$$$

Webby · 04-14-2006, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaybucks

This may have been covered elsewhere, but Ibill apparently just sold its entire processing operation (including webmasters private information, all customer information, rebilling info, etc) to Etelegate, an EU-based company that, among other things, has exhorbitant fees ($1.99/mo PROCESSING fee per subscriber renewal, on top of the discount rate and other charges, just for starters...)

Several webmasters over at GayWideWebmasters have managed to get in touch and arrange cancellation of all the rebills, but it's another disaster waiting to happen.

And, of course, neither Etelegate nor Ibill notified their webmasters about the arrangemement.

You think??

You may want to check out corp paperwork shuffling lately and see what friends of friends own eTelegate.

It saves postage when ya just have to move corp docs from one side of the desk to the other.

Booger · 04-18-2006, 09:53 AM

Fuck Ibill...bump

gooddomains · 04-18-2006, 10:06 AM

there is no real deal

03-09-2006, 10:16 AM	#52
jjjay Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,813	fiddy that's all I have to say carry on edit: fuck it, i missed Last edited by jjjay; 03-09-2006 at 10:17 AM..

03-09-2006, 10:51 AM	#62
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Was wondering when the "former employees" would come on here disclosing the 'real truth' and arguing amongst themselves about where the 'real blame lies". I'm surprised it took this long. Personally I don't think I would want to tell anyone if I was one of Ibill's former employees. These days I think most who used to process with them and their affiliates (let's not forget the affiliates) see all who were or are involved with Ibill as highly suspect. If that's the case (and I think that it is) I can't say as I blame them. I'm surprised people haven't gone to jail over this mess yet. Carry on. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

03-09-2006, 11:07 AM	#65
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	All I know is, as an affiliate of many programs, when I see one processing with Ibill or any processor (segpay) affiliated in any way with Ibill, I run the other way, period. Hopefully some of you so-called 'former' employees can find work at companies who don't cheat people. Seriously, how anyone or any company can take full payment on signups and then neglect to pay their clients/affiliates is beyond me. It has happened in this industry before with design brokers not paying their designers their commissions, but no matter where it happens it always smacks (to me anyway) of utter stupidity and boneheaded mismanagement AND terminably short-sighted thinking. Too bad cops are so into their own mismanagement of resources instead of nailing real criminals like those who think it's okay to keep money that isn't theirs. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

03-09-2006, 12:02 PM	#66
webspider Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 340	Bump this.... up and to hell. __________________ Weird Stuff

03-09-2006, 01:40 PM	#79
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	I just want to be a part of history. Carry on. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

03-09-2006, 10:16 AM	#51
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03-09-2006, 10:20 AM	#53
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03-09-2006, 03:29 PM	#81
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Anyone who thinks that Cathy B is responsible for all the crap that happened at IBill probably thinks thinks that JR was never shot and that Bobby really did die. Look at who was running the show when the downhill slide started picking up steam. MCI was one big warmup, lol...

03-09-2006, 10:08 PM	#83
Gumball Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 34	I agree, blame iBill from sep 04, but why blame the guys that bought it? makes no sence to me. they paid out big money on old fuck ups caused by past owners. If you dont blame Kathy (and I don't) why blame the new guys trying to save it??? also check out AVNONLINE.com for news story, very interesting...seems like FBI has already been there

03-09-2006, 10:18 PM	#84
sixxxthsense Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,421	one thing thats still amazing is that they are still allowed to run their fucking shit? your country is fucked up!

03-09-2006, 10:21 PM	#85
Gumball Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 34	Canada=USAlight....HEY!

03-10-2006, 06:58 AM	#87
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04-14-2006, 12:54 PM	#88
DAVESNOTHERE Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 37	bump for clipman!

04-14-2006, 01:00 PM	#89
Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	Very interesting

04-14-2006, 09:28 PM	#91
Gaybucks Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 451	This may have been covered elsewhere, but Ibill apparently just sold its entire processing operation (including webmasters private information, all customer information, rebilling info, etc) to Etelegate, an EU-based company that, among other things, has exhorbitant fees ($1.99/mo PROCESSING fee per subscriber renewal, on top of the discount rate and other charges, just for starters...) Several webmasters over at GayWideWebmasters have managed to get in touch and arrange cancellation of all the rebills, but it's another disaster waiting to happen. And, of course, neither Etelegate nor Ibill notified their webmasters about the arrangemement. __________________ Gaybucks.com 100% exclusive American guys - hosted movie galleries - NATS - Boyfunk.com - Boysfeetclub.com - AJsCloset.com- SkylerDeVoss.com ICQ 272-995-402

04-14-2006, 09:33 PM	#92
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04-14-2006, 09:51 PM	#93
Major (Tom) Boomer Woffen Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Null Posts: 30,266	i totally feel that if my rep gave me a heads up when they knew it was pretty much done i'd have had my money. But I was told the money was gone and thats it... when in fact i know of 10-15 who got paid in full. I feel i was let down. I think any rep that didnt tell their clients to sue after week 1 did their clients a disservice. I dont know about you, but trusting anyone over at i bill or any of the ibill jr's just aint going to happen for me. Duke __________________ My mother said, to get things done You'd better not mess with Major Tom

04-14-2006, 09:57 PM	#94
Well Dunn Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,026	They actualy have a pennystock? I know the SEC doesnt care much for that end of the market, but damn, how can they let people invest into a shit storm like ibill. __________________ ICQ: 471859252 Mailers! ICQ me I want your traffic!!!! We will pay daily, weekly, monthly, WHATEVER! Just contact me and we will get you paid!

04-14-2006, 10:00 PM	#95
fl_prn_str Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 5,736	will the ibill story ever die? I fell the pain of those they fucked over....but its just like crying over spilled milk anymore......its time to face facts....your fucked and you will never get your $$$$

04-18-2006, 09:53 AM	#97
Booger At least I make a living at this Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 621	Fuck Ibill...bump

04-18-2006, 10:06 AM	#98
gooddomains Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 10,127	there is no real deal