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Mr.Nice Guy · 03-04-2006, 09:19 AM

Well I am looking into DRM and p2p type solutions. I am wondering if there is any easy/cheap way to setup your own DRM authentication server? Is that even necessary/possible? When companies say 5000licenses/month does this mean 5000 licenses for the one file? Or 5000 files?

What I'm trying to do is add popups to videos, for p2p release.

Thanks guys

DamageX · 03-04-2006, 09:20 AM

T minus 10 until some GTS/P2PAds rep posts.

psili · 03-04-2006, 09:24 AM

I think DRM solutions suck.

Necessary in some cases, but all I've seen suck: They all don't work in all instances, like an un-DRM'd video. They're a pain in the ass to implement. Etc. Etc. It's almost as horrible as developing content for wireless, which is even a bigger nightmare.

However, I'll give props to ObjectCube ( www.objectcube.com ) for trying their best at providing DRM solutions.

trashymedia · 03-04-2006, 11:10 AM

There may not be a cheap way to setup a DRM authentication server. When it says 5000 licenses, that means that every time someone downloads and plays your video or whatever you are trying to DRM, that equals one license. If that particular file is downloaded 5000 times and played (first time play only) then the 5000 license limit has been reached. Hope that's not too confusing. We use the CCbill DRM system, it's not bad overall. We have been using it since they came out with it back in 2003 or 2004. I think they give you either 10000 or 50000 licenses (not sure) per month.

marketsmart · 03-04-2006, 11:31 AM

ccbill is 50,000 per month for $199 and sliding scale after that

Just_Dave · 03-04-2006, 11:33 AM

if you need drm clips check us out , we offer free drm clips from over 50 sponsors http://www.smutlounge.com

Jace · 03-04-2006, 11:51 AM

www.vidlock.com

Hornydog4cooter · 03-04-2006, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just_Dave

if you need drm clips check us out , we offer free drm clips from over 50 sponsors http://www.smutlounge.com

Yeap just grabed me a shit load from there last night

NKYKev · 03-04-2006, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketsmart

ccbill is 50,000 per month for $199 and sliding scale after that

Unless they have changed their contract, CCBill's DRMNetworks is $99 for the first three months and then $299 for 50k licenses.

NKYKev · 03-04-2006, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psili

I think DRM solutions suck.

Necessary in some cases, but all I've seen suck: They all don't work in all instances, like an un-DRM'd video. They're a pain in the ass to implement. Etc. Etc. It's almost as horrible as developing content for wireless, which is even a bigger nightmare.

However, I'll give props to ObjectCube ( www.objectcube.com ) for trying their best at providing DRM solutions.

I prefer to think of DRM as a necesary evil - unless you want your video content appearing on every file sharing site on the Internet, some type of copy protection needs to be used. I do think this is a much more important issue for sites producing their own original content, as the investment in money and time is so much greater.

Pornwolf · 03-04-2006, 02:45 PM

Fuck DRM. Flash video is the next wave of control and protection.

Jace · 03-04-2006, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

Fuck DRM. Flash video is the next wave of control and protection.

man, I was just playing with premiere pro, and I just found that it has a flash encoder built into the god damned thing

how do you go about presenting the videos to members? is the player embedded or do you have them download the flash video?

jakethedog · 03-04-2006, 02:53 PM

with software like snagit and similar ... DRM is obsolete... members trying to get around it have no probs... so seeing your content all over p2p sites will never stop .... sweetentertainment doen't use DRM and I personally think it's just a quick cash grab ....

Pornwolf · 03-04-2006, 03:01 PM

Embedded. The coolest part about the new wave of flash video is you can present a high quality video inside of a branded player that allows the member to have on his desktop all the movies he wants to download from your site.

He can play it full screen or whatever he wants. The video using Flash 8 (On2 V6) is higher quality and smaller than WM9.

But, even though he doesn't have to login or even visit the website through a browser, the flash player can authenticate him every month to make sure his card has rebilled.

I don't know about you but when I was a surfer If I had the option of watching and storing porn on my computer without having to login I would. It's a great way of covering your tracks.

This can also be done with On2's VP7 codec which is actually better quality than Flash 8 but an extra install is necessary, but I don't think it's as convenient as the new wave of flash.

Jace · 03-04-2006, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

Embedded. The coolest part about the new wave of flash video is you can present a high quality video inside of a branded player that allows the member to have on his desktop all the movies he wants to download from your site.

He can play it full screen or whatever he wants. The video using Flash 8 (On2 V6) is higher quality and smaller than WM9.

But, even though he doesn't have to login or even visit the website through a browser, the flash player can authenticate him every month to make sure his card has rebilled.

I don't know about you but when I was a surfer If I had the option of watching and storing porn on my computer without having to login I would. It's a great way of covering your tracks.

This can also be done with On2's VP7 codec which is actually better quality than Flash 8 but an extra install is necessary, but I don't think it's as convenient as the new wave of flash.

hey man, you seem really in the know with all this shit....is there anywhere I can go and read up more on what you just talked about? I am really interested in this, it sounds like an ideal situation for paysites

kscans · 03-04-2006, 03:16 PM

Honest to say we didnt have any good experineces with DRM.
Many complains from clients.

Kind regards
Frankie
kscans_com

Pornwolf · 03-04-2006, 03:20 PM

Sure, I'll give you a few sites to check out.

The first two are obvious:

www.on2.com

http://www.macromedia.com/software/f...info/features/

The third is more down and dirty with the video functionality and uses:

http://flashcomguru.com/

And here's one extra:

http://www.flashmagazine.com/

It's definitely the future of porn video delivery. It keeps our stuff off the p2p networks and still offers a superior user experience for the surfer while making sure we get paid at the same time.

I know of one feeds provider that went all flash recently. I can't remember the URL though.

If you ever need a good Flash media app designer let me know 152970595 I know of a couple companies that do it well.

Jace · 03-04-2006, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

Sure, I'll give you a few sites to check out.

The first two are obvious:

www.on2.com

http://www.macromedia.com/software/f...info/features/

The third is more down and dirty with the video functionality and uses:

http://flashcomguru.com/

And here's one extra:

http://www.flashmagazine.com/

It's definitely the future of porn video delivery. It keeps our stuff off the p2p networks and still offers a superior user experience for the surfer while making sure we get paid at the same time.

I know of one feeds provider that went all flash recently. I can't remember the URL though.

If you ever need a good Flash media app designer let me know 152970595 I know of a couple companies that do it well.

I am pretty sure that www.camz.com is all flash delivery now

awesome links man, thanks, I am going to give it a shot tonight with encoding to flash in premiere and see how it goes

Pornwolf · 03-04-2006, 04:00 PM

Make sure you have the updated On2 codecs for premiere or just use the encoder in Flash Pro. It's much better and smaller than all the flash codecs pre 2006.

jay23 · 03-04-2006, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psili

I think DRM solutions suck.

Necessary in some cases, but all I've seen suck: They all don't work in all instances, like an un-DRM'd video. They're a pain in the ass to implement. Etc. Etc. It's almost as horrible as developing content for wireless, which is even a bigger nightmare.

However, I'll give props to ObjectCube ( www.objectcube.com ) for trying their best at providing DRM solutions.

Thanks for the props.

DRM is in fact free. Get the WMSDK from Microsoft and if you know C#, VB, C++, VB.NET or any other .NET lang (even PHP) you can develop every thing your self.

DRM is not for every thing, I for one do not push every one to use DRM (eventhough I make money selling this stuff).

We are betting a lot of money in Flash, over the past one year we have developed Flash based Pay Per Min system and few other VOD solutions all based on Flash.

Flash video still have some short commings, but from what they have in the labs at Macromedia I am sure by year end it will becom a defacto video codec.

Jay
objectcube

Pornwolf · 03-04-2006, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jay23

We are betting a lot of money in Flash, over the past one year we have developed Flash based Pay Per Min system and few other VOD solutions all based on Flash.

Flash video still have some short commings, but from what they have in the labs at Macromedia I am sure by year end it will becom a defacto video codec.

Jay
objectcube

Judging by the popularity of YouTube, Google Video and the many other flash based video sites gaining popularity out there I'd say you are correct.

Hey Jay, I've been meaning to ask you about this for a while... what software are you using for your direct DVD to Flash video conversion? I saw you mention it a couple of months ago.

jay23 · 03-04-2006, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

Judging by the popularity of YouTube, Google Video and the many other flash based video sites gaining popularity out there I'd say you are correct.

Hey Jay, I've been meaning to ask you about this for a while... what software are you using for your direct DVD to Flash video conversion? I saw you mention it a couple of months ago.

We had our own encoder for DVD to WMV and now we are extending that to do Flash. Still not perfect (It has to convert DVD to MEPE2 and then Flash).

If you have small batch then use Sorenson

Jay

jay23 · 03-04-2006, 04:16 PM

Also if you know a good software to take DVD to MPEG2 let me know.

Jay

Pornwolf · 03-04-2006, 04:31 PM

Definitely, Videocharge is the my favorite converter for all things non flash.

I really mean that. It has the best quality and functions of them all and I've tried all of them.

For Flash I've been using Swish Video which allows batch conversions from several file formats even WMV.

I would still like to see something do it from DVD in one step.

Jace · 03-04-2006, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

Definitely, Videocharge is the my favorite converter for all things non flash.

I really mean that. It has the best quality and functions of them all and I've tried all of them.

For Flash I've been using Swish Video which allows batch conversions from several file formats even WMV.

I would still like to see something do it from DVD in one step.

AVS Media Encoder does flash video from DVD but it's not the new codec so it only outputs big chunky files. The next version should be perfect though so keep an eye out for it.

can you do batch operations in videocharge? I need something to convert and split up a video into multiple formats

SmokeyTheBear · 03-04-2006, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

Definitely, Videocharge is the my favorite converter for all things non flash.

I really mean that. It has the best quality and functions of them all and I've tried all of them.

For Flash I've been using Swish Video which allows batch conversions from several file formats even WMV.

I would still like to see something do it from DVD in one step.

swish rocks..

Pornwolf · 03-04-2006, 04:38 PM

Edit: I mean I would like to see something go from DVD to Flash (with the new codecs) in one step.

Videocharge does DVD to MPEG 1 & 2, WMV, MOV, DIVX, XVID, AVI and some other stuff with no problem.

aico · 03-04-2006, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

Sure, I'll give you a few sites to check out.

The first two are obvious:

www.on2.com

http://www.macromedia.com/software/f...info/features/

The third is more down and dirty with the video functionality and uses:

http://flashcomguru.com/

And here's one extra:

http://www.flashmagazine.com/

It's definitely the future of porn video delivery. It keeps our stuff off the p2p networks and still offers a superior user experience for the surfer while making sure we get paid at the same time.

I know of one feeds provider that went all flash recently. I can't remember the URL though.

If you ever need a good Flash media app designer let me know 152970595 I know of a couple companies that do it well.

Cool links... I have a quick question. Do I just buy Flash 8 and it will make Flash video? Or do I need to buy some special version of Flash that is seperate? I haven't used flash for a while so I am out of the loop.

Pornwolf · 03-04-2006, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace

can you do batch operations in videocharge? I need something to convert and split up a video into multiple formats

Most definitely. It does so many functions that we need as porn webmasters I am starting to think one of us created it! LOL

Check this out, you can edit a file, make thumbs and screencaps, chop it, convert it to your desired format in several bitrates, and upload it to the server with one click of a button! LOL

And yes, basic batches can be done as well too. I have it working on a huge batch on one of my computers now.

Pornwolf · 03-04-2006, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aico

Cool links... I have a quick question. Do I just buy Flash 8 and it will make Flash video? Or do I need to buy some special version of Flash that is seperate? I haven't used flash for a while so I am out of the loop.

Buy Flash 8 pro for the encoder with the new codec. It comes with a video encoder in the package.

If not, then you are fine buying the Flix Encoder which probably gives you the best quality flash file.

I prefer Swish because it's a brand I trust and it has great functionality. IMHO, unless you are doing extensive flash com sever programming, Swish is the best flash authoring tool. Swish Video is just an extension of that. If you've never used it do yourself a favor and download the trial.

Jace · 03-04-2006, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

Most definitely. It does so many functions that we need as porn webmasters I am starting to think one of us created it! LOL

Check this out, you can edit a file, make thumbs and screencaps, chop it, convert it to your desired format in several bitrates, and upload it to the server with one click of a button! LOL

And yes, basic batches can be done as well too. I have it working on a huge batch on one of my computers now.

um....holy shit?
LOL

why haven't I been using this for months now? haha

Jace · 03-04-2006, 08:49 PM

wow, I just got Sorenson, thanks for the link Pornwolf

one question, is it possible in Sorenson when doing the batch conversions to also do a conversion in the batch that splits up the file into multiple sections?

stickyfingerz · 03-04-2006, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

Fuck DRM. Flash video is the next wave of control and protection.

.flv vid embedded in a flash page. Makes it so users cant dl to their computer to watch, but protects it for sure.

webair · 03-04-2006, 09:25 PM

http://www.webairdrm.com

Mr.Nice Guy · 03-05-2006, 12:39 AM

Awesome I love it,

I am interested in learning a little bit more about how exactly the flash file interacts with a server? Is this 100% custom end? Or is there an out-of-the-box solution?

I'm also interested in hearing ways of grabbing a watermark dynamically.

Thanks

NKYKev · 03-05-2006, 11:03 AM

As mentioned earlier, the quality of flash video has seemed to get much better with the last version. But I would be interested in knowing exactly how embedding flash video prevents it from being captured by the screen capture software programs mentioned above, for example.

I know that Microsoft is constantly having to take steps to keep up all the links in their security chain, but there is still an analog hole as of now, because they want people to be able to watch movies on their TVs. Once the hackers seriously start tearing into the security system for the new flash files, how secure are they going to be? Adobe can not exert nearly the pressure that Microsoft can to make sure other companies are not making products to get around their system.

Mr.Nice Guy · 03-07-2006, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by socalkev

As mentioned earlier, the quality of flash video has seemed to get much better with the last version. But I would be interested in knowing exactly how embedding flash video prevents it from being captured by the screen capture software programs mentioned above, for example.

I know that Microsoft is constantly having to take steps to keep up all the links in their security chain, but there is still an analog hole as of now, because they want people to be able to watch movies on their TVs. Once the hackers seriously start tearing into the security system for the new flash files, how secure are they going to be? Adobe can not exert nearly the pressure that Microsoft can to make sure other companies are not making products to get around their system.

Good point.. bump for this.

03-04-2006, 09:19 AM	#1
Mr.Nice Guy Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 206	Know much about DRM?(BIZ THREAD) Well I am looking into DRM and p2p type solutions. I am wondering if there is any easy/cheap way to setup your own DRM authentication server? Is that even necessary/possible? When companies say 5000licenses/month does this mean 5000 licenses for the one file? Or 5000 files? What I'm trying to do is add popups to videos, for p2p release. Thanks guys __________________ Hit me up ICQ/AIM: MrNiceGuy1944 MadderAdder Myspace Friend Adder - Madder and Badder than ever before

03-04-2006, 09:20 AM	#2
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03-04-2006, 09:24 AM	#3
psili Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Loveland, CO Posts: 5,526	I think DRM solutions suck. Necessary in some cases, but all I've seen suck: They all don't work in all instances, like an un-DRM'd video. They're a pain in the ass to implement. Etc. Etc. It's almost as horrible as developing content for wireless, which is even a bigger nightmare. However, I'll give props to ObjectCube ( www.objectcube.com ) for trying their best at providing DRM solutions. __________________ Your post count means nothing.

03-04-2006, 11:10 AM	#4
trashymedia Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 157	Not sure There may not be a cheap way to setup a DRM authentication server. When it says 5000 licenses, that means that every time someone downloads and plays your video or whatever you are trying to DRM, that equals one license. If that particular file is downloaded 5000 times and played (first time play only) then the 5000 license limit has been reached. Hope that's not too confusing. We use the CCbill DRM system, it's not bad overall. We have been using it since they came out with it back in 2003 or 2004. I think they give you either 10000 or 50000 licenses (not sure) per month. __________________ Trashy Bucks pays you 60% recurring for life on subscription sales or 25.00 per join, 30% for every DVD sold and 5% for webmaster referrals! Got interracial, cumshot, fetish, foot worship, video on demand or amateur niche traffic? ICQ 172067634

03-04-2006, 02:45 PM	#11
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Fuck DRM. Flash video is the next wave of control and protection. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

03-04-2006, 11:31 AM	#5
marketsmart HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sunnybrook Institution for the Criminally Insane Posts: 20,419	ccbill is 50,000 per month for $199 and sliding scale after that

03-04-2006, 11:33 AM	#6
Just_Dave Its almost time Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 13,009	if you need drm clips check us out , we offer free drm clips from over 50 sponsors http://www.smutlounge.com

03-04-2006, 11:51 AM	#7
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	www.vidlock.com

03-04-2006, 02:53 PM	#13
jakethedog Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Vancouver B.C. Posts: 2,497	with software like snagit and similar ... DRM is obsolete... members trying to get around it have no probs... so seeing your content all over p2p sites will never stop .... sweetentertainment doen't use DRM and I personally think it's just a quick cash grab .... __________________ No sig .. just me

03-04-2006, 03:01 PM	#14
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Embedded. The coolest part about the new wave of flash video is you can present a high quality video inside of a branded player that allows the member to have on his desktop all the movies he wants to download from your site. He can play it full screen or whatever he wants. The video using Flash 8 (On2 V6) is higher quality and smaller than WM9. But, even though he doesn't have to login or even visit the website through a browser, the flash player can authenticate him every month to make sure his card has rebilled. I don't know about you but when I was a surfer If I had the option of watching and storing porn on my computer without having to login I would. It's a great way of covering your tracks. This can also be done with On2's VP7 codec which is actually better quality than Flash 8 but an extra install is necessary, but I don't think it's as convenient as the new wave of flash. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

03-04-2006, 03:16 PM	#16
kscans Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 123	Drm Honest to say we didnt have any good experineces with DRM. Many complains from clients. Kind regards Frankie kscans_com __________________ Frankie

03-04-2006, 03:20 PM	#17
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Sure, I'll give you a few sites to check out. The first two are obvious: www.on2.com http://www.macromedia.com/software/f...info/features/ The third is more down and dirty with the video functionality and uses: http://flashcomguru.com/ And here's one extra: http://www.flashmagazine.com/ It's definitely the future of porn video delivery. It keeps our stuff off the p2p networks and still offers a superior user experience for the surfer while making sure we get paid at the same time. I know of one feeds provider that went all flash recently. I can't remember the URL though. If you ever need a good Flash media app designer let me know 152970595 I know of a couple companies that do it well. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

03-04-2006, 04:00 PM	#19
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Make sure you have the updated On2 codecs for premiere or just use the encoder in Flash Pro. It's much better and smaller than all the flash codecs pre 2006. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

03-04-2006, 04:16 PM	#23
jay23 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,444	Also if you know a good software to take DVD to MPEG2 let me know. Jay

03-04-2006, 04:31 PM	#24
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Definitely, Videocharge is the my favorite converter for all things non flash. I really mean that. It has the best quality and functions of them all and I've tried all of them. For Flash I've been using Swish Video which allows batch conversions from several file formats even WMV. I would still like to see something do it from DVD in one step. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches. Last edited by Pornwolf; 03-04-2006 at 04:34 PM..

03-04-2006, 04:38 PM	#27
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Edit: I mean I would like to see something go from DVD to Flash (with the new codecs) in one step. Videocharge does DVD to MPEG 1 & 2, WMV, MOV, DIVX, XVID, AVI and some other stuff with no problem. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

03-04-2006, 08:49 PM	#32
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	wow, I just got Sorenson, thanks for the link Pornwolf one question, is it possible in Sorenson when doing the batch conversions to also do a conversion in the batch that splits up the file into multiple sections?

03-04-2006, 09:25 PM	#34
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03-05-2006, 12:39 AM	#35
Mr.Nice Guy Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 206	Awesome I love it, I am interested in learning a little bit more about how exactly the flash file interacts with a server? Is this 100% custom end? Or is there an out-of-the-box solution? I'm also interested in hearing ways of grabbing a watermark dynamically. Thanks __________________ Hit me up ICQ/AIM: MrNiceGuy1944 MadderAdder Myspace Friend Adder - Madder and Badder than ever before

03-05-2006, 11:03 AM	#36
NKYKev Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 283	As mentioned earlier, the quality of flash video has seemed to get much better with the last version. But I would be interested in knowing exactly how embedding flash video prevents it from being captured by the screen capture software programs mentioned above, for example. I know that Microsoft is constantly having to take steps to keep up all the links in their security chain, but there is still an analog hole as of now, because they want people to be able to watch movies on their TVs. Once the hackers seriously start tearing into the security system for the new flash files, how secure are they going to be? Adobe can not exert nearly the pressure that Microsoft can to make sure other companies are not making products to get around their system. Last edited by NKYKev; 03-05-2006 at 11:05 AM..