That page doesn't explain away the video that was shot on the tripod from across the street. Fast forward to 53:00 in the video.. It clearly shows vibrations that shook the camera 15 secs before the building started to fall.

I can accept the pancake effect and I have always believed that that's what happened.. However watching what that video recorded makes me have to think about it again.

I don't really fall for the conspiracy stuff, but those few seconds of video are enough to make me question, if the conspiracies might hold a little truth. Keep in mind there was a lot of video's of firefighters saying they were hearing explosions all over.

I think there is enough evidence to raise question, but maybe not disprove the offical reports as to why they came down.

Oh, so now they are in prison ? Makes sense. They are alive but we will never be able to prove it...
You guys are really funny. Allways the right answer to everything.
I thought they said they were alive and working in Morroco and other places... Atta gave a phone call to his father on 9/12, probably while he was being tortured in Guantanamo by these dangerous Americans.

What can i say ... you must be right. Maybe they were abducted by space aliens ? What do you think ?

http://www.911-strike.com/debunking.htm

You are one dumb cookie. Try reading what he wrote instead just filling it in with whatever garbage you come up with.

Yes it does try reading comprehension 101. You know how much each of those floors weigh? Now start having 3 or 4 of them collapsing and hitting the concrete floor of those below it. Goto a big construction area sometime where they are dropping large equipment say 10 tons even and hitting the ground. Now find out how much each floor weighed with all its contents. Combine that x's the multible floors collapsing. Those were not explosions. Go in the middle of the floor in the room you are in. Jump off a chair and land in the middle of the room without bending your knees. Do you hear a sound?

Just throwing another link on the pile..
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...34652002408586
It's a raw video of a lecture given by BYU professor Steven Jones.

Look its DirectCumFiesta. :1orglaugh

Are you trying to say you are not anti American? :uhoh

For those of you groaning that it's 2+ hours.. you can just set it to play and work while you listen. It's not huge on visuals, so when he says "look at this" you can flip back to see and then go back to work.

lets just assume for the time being the qualified structual engineer who certified the components that made up the building and said it was impossible for it to happen that way , lets assume flight 93 wasnt shot down , it was filled with passengers just like they tell us , lets assume all the facts that have been brought up are all false and its all just coincidence..

Why dont they release the 3 videos of the plane that hit the pentagon.. ?

No, just that you are an idiot :2 cents:

I would not louse my time explaining to a dumbell like you the difference between Anti-American and Anti-Bush-Administration ... That is way over your comprehension level ...

Are you telling me that you are anti-democracy and freedom ... :)

Ok take a straw. Hold it on your desk and press down on it with a bit of pressure. Now take lighter and hold in close to the straw about just brushing besides the straw.
Now that is what happened to the steel girders. They didnt necessarily melt, but the heat plus the pressure plus the stress from the crash caused them to begin to buckle. Many many engineers have said this was the cause.

You arent an American. You are a Canadian. :winkwink:

ok i can buy that ( i would buy it more from a structural engineer and i happen to know a few that dont agree but i will give you the benefit of the doubt ) , now why dont they release the 3 videos of the plane hitting the pentagon ?

When did they ever say they had them?

Well we're forgetting the catalyst to the destruction:

The hijacking of four passenger airliners with three hitting their targets? The fourth is speculative at what happened?

How the fuck do four, four passenger planes get hijacked at the same time? Who was asleep at the wheel? Why was airport security so lax? How did the two jetliners even make it to NY City after flying over restricted airspace in the first place?

Too much before, during, and after that is still needing addressing.

This isn't about anti-american, only some anal retentive pucker head ( as opposed to tinfoil insults ) would generalize asking questions as being anti-american. It's about major fuckups and the public being bullshitted again.

Government commissioned reports and studies by government connected institutes... hmmmm.

Also, see "Debunking Popular Mechanics"

http://killtown.911review.org/flight...mechanics.html

Your losing the conspiracy angle you all started with, so now you switch to this. lol :1orglaugh Why did it happen? Fuckin complacintcey just like is happening again. It will take a nuke to wake people the fuck up.

Nice link with him answering with questions. lol God you guys will do anything you can. Lameness.

theres 3 cameras that record that angle 24 hours a day and were functioning properly at the time 1 is from a citgo station 1 is from the hilton and at least 1 from the dept highways all were confiscated and have yet to be returned..

its not switching its called theories , i dont think anyone here claims to know exactly what happened but you :) i'm at least open minded enough to hear theories and try to dismiss things that arent factuall , your just calling anyone who asks a question a nutjob..

I asked a pretty simple question , thats easy to answer and doesnt require any debate. where are the three videos of the pentagon crash.. .? and why cant we see them ?

I guess I missed the part where they found explosives, or any physical evidence of explosions at the WTC site. Or the part that someone actually saw explosives in the WTC, or saw people planting them, or where the explosives came from - that is, *proof* - not just a demolition company was in the area, etc. etc.

If you critically analyze the documentary you'll find youself asking a lot more questions about the validity of this so-called proof. The documentary expects the viewer to connect a LOT of dots to make this story feasible and until a documentary is ever released showing things like a missile hitting the Pentagon, or collaborators who confess to planting explosives, or the allegedly still-alive terrorists are captured/caught on film, etc. and on and on then this is all just theory.

ok... building 7 was demo'ed. and what? are you happy now? are you now arguing that the whole WTO/Pentagon thing was actually a set up by the Bush administration and part of a massive conspiracy to demo building 7? among other federal agencies, the CIA was in that building. given the extensive damage the building suffered, I am sure there were many reasons for both the owner and many of its occupants to make sure it went down and make sure everything was completely destroyed. that also sounds like a perfectly fine reason to hijack 4 planes, kill all the passengers, kill up to 50K people in the WTC and another 10-20K or so in surrounding buildings and on the street. you're a genius.

Theorists and followers alike should go here Click, "The missing wings" link... and the others if you are into reading.. Not theories here... scientific and engineering evidence...

I love it when people call conjecture, and guesses science. :error

Exactly. You want to talk about being patriotic, it's our constitutional right to question this whole set of events which had lead us into a quagmire in Iraq instead of being led to slaughter like sheep by this corrupt, dangerous adminsitration. Not only is it our right, it's our DUTY to expose anything that jepordizes the overall citizenry of the US.
Goddam it people, tainted elections twice, 9-11 and the fallout from it, corporate greed and corruption, lobbyists with major politcal connections indicted and on and on. And some of you just contine to eat what they feed you and question nothing. Then the ostrich set i.e head in the sand people.. call anyone who questions the company line bullshit crazy. Better check yourselves in the mirror.

i would like to believe that there is foul play behind 9/11 but it is diffuclt to do so... i can remember the tragedy vividly, the lives lost and dreams shattered. which reminds me of one person i look up to - Michael Moore

If you ever want to get some really interesting questions going in your head - try looking up a woman named Ann Tatlock. Interesting stuff and I would have to call her the luckiest woman alive - just amazing that she "happened to be at the same Air Force base that Bush ended up at later in the day instead of in her office (where the plane hit the WTC). Not conspiricy stuff - just interesting facts.

Another interesting fact to look at is the actual transcriptions of the firefighters and rescue crews that ended up at the crash site in Pa - since they didnt find one body part anywhere - and the more experienced were amazed since that has never - and hasnt happened since in a plane crash.

Conjecture??

Windows near the hole unbroken.. Pillars inside still standing.. Yet a huge plane created a small hole and flew all the way into the bldg.

Yep.. lots of guess work there..

Oh I forgot... Gfy'ers know much more than the scientists and engineers who researched all possibilities... Silly me..

couple that with who was being investigated in those buildings....along with the billions and billions of gold that went missing....insurance payoffs

it is a game of Kings and Queens...read some history...it is only rare they get caught...not rare they try shit like this.....watch the money trail...who's on top?

You didn't even read what I posted.. I'll post it again.. I clearly stated I can accept the pancake effect. It makes perfect sense to me.

The thing that raises questions in my mind, is the camera that was filming from across the street. It clearly shook from some sort of explosion 12 to 15 seconds before there were any signs that the building was coming down.

So it's not a pancake theory that makes me question, it's why did that camera shake before the building started falling?

Thanks!

As I've said all along, this is a 'criminal conspiracy'. The government conspiracy comes afterwards for not answering our questions. It's our birthright to ask questions and get accountability. The terrorist attacks didn't start with this administration, it was well in effect when Clinton was President. The problem is it taking place in the first place and not getting resolved. Every major law enforcement agency had assets in that district and any big criminal jumped for joy when they discovered either their cases would never come to arrest or court as any physical evidence kept there was obliterated.

This was a bonus for all the bad guys. Case-in-point, if Homeland Security and The Patriot Act were so effective, why the fuck are illegal narcotics, especially heroine, STILL flooding the streets of America and the world? You couldn't get a pair of tweezers in and out of the U.S. but sure as shit, tons of dope sure ain't suffered much! Even when all the planes, trains, ports were shut down, junkies were partyin' during the Apocolypse. Heroin production jumped so fucking high AFTER we invaded and secured Afghanistan that even Russia and France complained. You KNOW you're movin' too much heroin when the French can't take it anymore.

So as far as securing our safety it's bullshit. I say if Bush wants the power to eavesdrop and wiretap and detain without due process, then he can do so AFTER not one illegal alien, ounce of dope or weapons are stopped.

Ain't gonna happen. Too many security holes to fill that would fuck up the transportation of stolen goods, dope, laundered money etc.

Did you know there are specific passports issued wherein NO ONE can open and look at the contents of the passenger's belongings? Best way to smuggle dope, jewels, precious medals etc.

These attacks are committed by people and groups that just plain criminal. They work behind the scenes with established institutions in order to control and steal. Cops and military ain't gonna complain because the overtime and hazard pay over the past 5 years has reached unprecedented levels. Pays alot of mortgages and lawsuits and gambling debts and hush money.

This is the longest time in my life my family and friends who are cops in all levels have not been begging me for money. I thought they all disappeared or something. Nope, making too much in overtime and hazard pay.

Dude you generalize too much. It bears evidence to something.

Complacency? Sure there's lots of complacency. People sit on their asses in shock after disasters and soon as the sunshine hits their asses they rest on their laurels but to generalize and say it's the only answer is irresponsible.

If you've never worked security you don't know what you're talking about. The safeguards that are normally in place for passenger inspection, takeoff, on board control, flight pattern etc. were ALL ineffective? There's no fucking way! Each safeguard is designed to make sure the prior step is effective.

Not only that but they flew over KNOWN restricted airspace. I KNOW because the restricted airspace they flew over was over areas from my home town region in upstate New York. They flew past 2 or 3 nuclear power plants, multiple chemical plants, the world's TOP advanced computer and aeorospace researh facilities, CIA training grounds, military bases, and West fucking Point!

You can't fly a kite in some of these areas without the threat of liquidation with extreme predjudice. My sister who had top secret clearance while working in the region SAW 2 of the planes fly over her house which is restricted airspace. She knew damn well something was wrong and everyone in the area was waiting for the jets to be shot down.

No, complacency is a good excuse for SOME but not all.

Too many loose holes to chalk it up to complacency and negligence. It's a combination of many foibles and downright evil intent and a shitload of backpeddling after the fact.

I think that was a very good video, i watched it a while ago. But I doubt that the government would do it because it was such a big thing with the media , hense the crime being too perfect.
Nah this type of movie just keeps michael moore in business.

Windows were blast proof and they were supposed to do exactly what they did.

Watch this vid. Only 480mph at impact.

http://www.sandia.gov/videos2005/F4-crash.asx

Because the floors were already falling before the building fell.

Because the floors were already falling before the building fell. Another thing that could be was the jet fuel went down through the a shaft in the building and became atomized. Put hair spray in a pop can and light it see what happens.

we are forced to stick to facts proveable by science...but you can use lots of what ifs and maybe possiblies


it is amusing to watch people stick their head in the sand

Ok... I watched yours.. now watch mine

Here's a nice little piece about all of the cell phone calls that were supposedly made....

Following a delay in its scheduled departure time of 8:01 am, Flight 93 reached its cruising altitude of approximately 30,000 feet about 40 minutes into the flight. At about this time the takedown would have been initiated. And at about this time, the aircraft was "hijacked," according to several cellphone calls. (Note that at this altitude the calls were flat-out impossible.)

Any analysis of the cellphone and "airfone" calls from Flight 93 must begin with some basic, high-altitude cellphone facts. According to AT&T spokesperson Alexa Graf, cellphones are not designed for calls from the high altitudes at which most airliners normally operate. It was, in her opinion, a "fluke" that so many calls reached their destinations.

............... Once above 10,000 feet, however, calls rarely get through, if ever.

Here is the statement of an experienced airline pilot: "The idea of being able to use a cellphone while flying is completely impractical. Once through about 10,000 feet, the thing is useless, since you are too high and moving too fast (and thus changing cells too rapidly) for the phone to provide a signal." (AVWeb, 1999)

It must also be remarked that the alleged hijackers of the Cellphone Flight were remarkably lenient with their passengers, allowing some 13 calls. .......

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ShittyFingersdotnet is right !!!!

How can you question what your truthfull leaders are saying ?? By doing so, you are undermining the foundation of the country ... making you an liberal activist, in other words a traitor ... so a sympathyser of Al-Quaeda, a terrorist....

Freedom doesn't include your right to question, or to see seized videos. They are protecting you from the bogeyman ...

Damn treehugger liberal democrat hippie tin foil hat traitor :mad:





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