they sent him to guantanamo.

I finally watched this because I was bored last night. I will say that I have always discredited the conspiracy theories of extra explosions bringing down the towers. I mean the fires from the jets, and the fact that the jets crashed into the building seemed likely enough as the real reason. Especially being I watched it have on live television.

I will say that I've always thought there was more to 9/11 than what we know about, I mean the money trail is very interesting and the facts that certain people were told not to fly always ringed warning bells for me.

Now talking about the money issue, this video goes in to great detail about the many airline stocks that were shorted on 9/11.. Every one of the airlines were way above their normal % of short's. So it's clear some big money knew something was up.

The most interesting thing to me in this video is if you fast forward to 53:00 in the video. A camera was set up on a tripod filming from across the street. 15 seconds before the one tower collapsed the camera shook from the vibration of some sort of explosion. Shortly after that happened, the building went down.

If you rewind a few mins earlier to 49:00 it talks in more of the detail about seismic activity and shows some questionable plums of smoke that the narrator is implying is preset explosions. There are also all kinds of clips of firefighters talking about several explosions all over the place.

I still don't buy into the whole conspiracy thing, but I do think this video was done pretty well, and they did a lot of research for it. There is a lot of info in this film that can be easily discredited, but there is also a lot of questions brought up by it, for me.

Personally I think it's worth the watch.. save the tin foil hat remarks, because this video does have an agenda, but it does show a lot of backed up interesting facts.

keep in mind the total "profit" from the airline stocks sales wer 2 million dollars , not exactly an incentive for mudering thousands of people.. you could rob a big bank and get twice that with half the terrorists and kill nobody..

yea but that was a small part of the money.. look at the insurance policy that was paid out on the buildings. That was like 5 billion wasn't it? Then there are the questions about the billions of dollars of gold that was stored in the WTC vaults. lots of different reports on how much was lost and how much was recovered.

I'm not saying money would have been a reason it was done, but rather more of proof (at least in the stocks) that some people knew something was going to happen.

So the conspiracy I think about, is who knew enough about what was going to happen, that they were able to profit by shorting the stocks. Again I don't really buy into the conspiracy theories, but I do think some high up's knew something was going to happen.

Please.. Larry Silversteen, the owner of the buildings admitted it on the air... "we had to pull down bulding 7" ..

Just finished watching the whole video, I had seen/read about some of the points in this video. The one I find more intriguing is the several small explosions that they zoom in and highlight when the towers are collapsing. You see them occur sequentially from top to bottom. If that isn't a controlled implosion, I don't know what is. The recordings of the firefighters communications and from people that made it out of the buildings confirm that there were several explosions going on in there.

And Bin Laden writting with his right hand cracked me up. :1orglaugh

thats true



i love this video watching it for the first time now

Are you that ignorant to think he's responsible for ANYTHING going on in this country the last 5 plus years. He's a puppet, a rubber stamper. His old man, Cheney, Rumsfeld those are the men with power in Washington. There are forces in the US way more powerful than that shit kicking C student from Texas. That guy couldn't find his way out of the White House without a map.
Evidence? It's all speculation but let your intellect be your guide. It stinks to high heaven and look where we are now. You'll never know the REAL truth. I mean we're still trying to figure out who really killed JFK over 40 years ago.

worth viewing the whole thing.

Damn we are fucked.

50 whackos who don't realize that their way of thinking is no less dangerous than that of those they criticise





so now you have to argue that the democrats are the stupidest people on earth because they can't figure all this out but you can? all these evil republicans doing some nasty shit and Ted Kennedy is really ok with it all? how deep does the conspiracy go?

also, i watched the video in its entirety. its pretty cool. i am not saying at all that shit isn't suspicious... however, i don't think that stringing 1/2 of the truth together to try to make it look like the most massive hoax of the century was pulled off is any less credible than believing some version of what is claimed to be the truth.

also, there are a lot of things i dont agree with. the "controlled demolition" of the towers is BS in my opinion in terms of what the video shows. a building is collapsing and is going to buckle all the way down as the structure fails beneath from the pressure of the falling section above. that doesn't mean its a bomb just because shit is blowing apart as it collapses floor by floor. but it does seem that many agree there were many big explosions other than the plane hitting... i just think the idea of a controlled demolition with charges going off floor by floor is retarded. not only that, it would take a huge amount of time to set up.

Why lord why are people so fucking stupid?

What about the fact that they performed drills days prior to 911? They evacuated certain parts of the building for no reason. Why? How come the Twin Towers are 1 of 3 buildings that have ever falled down after a huge fire or explosion .... ie ... the Empire State building got hit by a plane and never fell. Why were the bomb sniffing dogs removed? How to you explain the heat burns being the most hot at the bottom of the building where there was no fire instead of the top?

Give me some examples as to why you say demolition is retarded.

If you have to burn a brain cell 'thinking' after watching this vid you are as dangerous as the crooks who pulled those crimes off.

It's obvious there's a whole lotta bullshit going on. It's nothing new. Politicians are just that: Politicians. They get threatened like everybody else. I don't think Bush could have planned how to change his socks much less a global conspiracy. He's a sap like all of us have been for not putting our foot down on these political crimes from day fucking one.

Since Pres. Eisenhower, one of the most underrated presidencies in our history, we've been tools of money makers within and around the military industrial complex. Drugs, whores, weapons dealing. Corruption is part of the landscape. Problem now is it's so damned big it's tough to police.

We are at a point in history where there are too many criminals and not enough cops to police them.

Bottom line about 9/11 is watch a movie called "Die Hard 3"
It's as simple as that. 9/11 is nothing more than part of a big fucking rip off. Prior to 9/11 we had a surplus. Crooks can't stand a surplus they have to steal it. They can't stand seeing money sit around.

You're fucked, you might as well enjoy it. You allowed it to happen by not standing up.

There's no one single culprit. It's a combination of groups and people from all over who condoned one thing after another.

Problem is, history has often been changed by one guy.

Mark my words. There's a guy out there, who got so fucked over he's going to change the face of history.

There is no danger in analysis and thought. And this has nothing to do with party politics. It's just corruption at it's deepest core. I'm not saying all that was in this film or Farenheit 9/11 is gospel, but there is and was a conspiracy invloved here i.e Saudi connection, lies and false info to the UN, hidden evidence etc. And if you think Ted Kennedy or any othere high ranking Democrat is going to come out and say 9/11 is all a hoax, you're not thinking of the implication of someone of real power and status is bold enought to state that. The bottom line is those in Washington still want to preserve our institutions and values, no matter how distorted they may have become recently.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibel_Edmonds


Take a look at this entry. If ya don't know about it, you're way behind the 8 ball.

This 3min vid shows some views of the crashes i hadn't seen before... :warning


http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...24706&q=9%2F11

Well said on most points. The reality is however that no one in the legislative or judicial branch is gonna bitch because they themselves reap profits from the corruption going on. If memory serves, the Kennedy family still gets like 10% of all booze sales coming in from scotch overseas. That's just the tip of the iceberg. To put out a huge investigation and beat down all get out bust of all those who were negligent and compliant would cause such a massive disruption of commerce that no one is going to do it. Fuck all of us if we're grieving or in danger, what's important to the psychotics we've allowed to represent us is MONEY and POSITION.

Bottom fucking line.

Could we have solved the Kennedy assassination? Sure! But it would have fucked up more money and business.

Could we have stopped the Vietnam War before it turned into a quagmire? Sure, but it would have fucked up lots of money and power.

Alternate fuels, stem cell medical breakthroughs, cures for fat ass? Sure, but those actions would fuck up lots of money for really psychotic and stupid people.

The only fly in the ointment? Used to be honest journalists but forget that! Far, far too many crusading journalists who risked life and limb to help the people and got blacklisted, killed or broke. Didn't see the public they just rescued flying to their aide to help that crusading journalist either.

Fuck the doomed.

No one is going to stick their neck out for mankind any-fucking-more. Why? Because people are short memoried and ungrateful. Given half the chance they'll fuck over their own kin for any number of dumbass reasons.

As blatant as the greed machine that assimilated Bush is and FUBARed the world, you won't see anybody doing jack shit about it because no one wants to DIE or go broke.

The only chance was for The People to stand up and bitch. It would take the U.S. population 72 hours to change all this by just good ol' fashioned protests and bitchin' and complainin' and boycotting. But you won't see it cause they're too busy getting drunk, taking psychiatric drugs to chill them out, lying, stealing and planning ill will.

So enjoy your new slavery. It's what happens when you pussy out instead of dog pile.

well.... i do remember watching a show on the discovery channel about the security specialist for Morgan Stanly who also had some role in the security of the buildings and he was saying for many years BEFORE 9/11 that terrorists were going to fly planes into the building. he was saying before the FIRST attack that terrorists were going to try to bring the towers down. he was constantly drilling people in morgan stanly on evacuating the towers which is why they are not dead today.

he died in the building helping people evacuate... so apparently, he sucked at helping the government plant bombs in the building.

how do i explain this... how do i explain that... blah blah blah. dude. just because i or you dont have an immediate answer for something does not mean there is a massive government conspiracy, that it was all staged by the US Government and that a coverup exists today. if you are that simple minded, you are a danger to yourself.

furthermore, asking me how i explain everything assumes that what was said was 100% fact. i think there are a lot of holes in the video and in his assumptions. do i think he is right? i dont know. i would say its all possible... but highly unlikely.

how do you explain that nothing says makes sense and no one notices? how do you explain that a guy can make a scathing video, exposing a massive conspiracy that resulted in the deaths of ... oh, i don't know... 3000 people on US soil and however many tens of 1000's abroad and was the basis for 2 wars and wasn't silenced? that in itself doesn't make sense.

if you want to know "why" .... like any rational person, you start by looking at the explanations, the testimonies, the facts, investigate and draw your own conclusions. you dont take the word of someone with an agenda at face value and believe everything he is feeding you just because you have issues, hate bush or are paranoid in general. you certainly dont ask some idiot on a messageboard called "go fuck yourself" to explain it all to you.

i sincerely doubt that the same government that tries to impeach a president for lying about getting a blowjob is all about institution and values. in our government, you have all sorts of lunatics from KKK members to extreme activists. get a grip on yourself son.

... the conspiracy widens. everyone who "knows" is afraid to talk. funny that its always the lunatics everywhere who speak freely about it. who can make a film with worldwide distribution about it.... but those who know are just "scared to talk"... because afterall, what other explanation is there? well, besides the fact that they just might not have anything to say (which doesn't help your argument at all).

I cant post the link because I dont have enough posts yet, but if someone could do a search for "911 eyewitness" on the google video and then post the link you will enjoy that vid.

The guy who produced "911 eyewitness" set up his camera on the other side of the river from the towers. Its spooky because you can hear the explosions on his camera and see smoke coming out from the bottom of the towers before they fell. Its the best 911 video that I have seen. I would say its the smoking gun.

thankyou greg, this video is by far the best. The smoking gun !

Some good points there but the bottom line is the amount of incompetence, negligence would be too overwhelming. There's definitely a cover up going on but 'what' and how many 'whats' being covered up is speculative. Sure there's been a massive amount of finger pointing but the bottom line is we were attacked and everything that's supposed to be in place to prevent it wasn't there. Now this might seem like a conspiracy to some regarding the origin of the attacks but we need to look at those who were asleep at the wheel. Same with Katrina. Everybody pointing fingers but the truth is coming out.

There are far, far too many loose ends and fucked up actions.

That plane hitting the pentagon is bullshit. Not a 757. No fucking way and no debris? No-fucking-way. They shouldn't have even tried to pass on that shit. I know cause I had people on the scene who told me no 757 hit that building or they would have seen it. We even lost a couple of people from my hometown there. I don't even wanna go into how many friends and colleagues I lost at the towers either. A dear friend, a detective was the first officer there. He just happened to be there at the moment the first plane hit. He still has a hard time discussing it and he's a hard bit NY cop.

There are a ton of lies and deceptions going on and finger pointing to no end, but if anybody, anybody even begins to entertain that conspiracies to commit and cover up these incidents are false they are fucking insane no end.

You get these knucklewalking skeptics tossing out 'tinfoil hatter' insults while their own heads are so far up their own asses they wouldn't see daylight if they lit their own farts.

Since 2000 we've been in mortal danger from within and without and it ain't gonna get solved by officials, it'll be solved by only US.

trust no one

Very intersting

I watched it and it's good documentary. There are certain FACTS not coming only from this one, but overall facts you cannot deny them unless you are stupid or biased to an awful degree. They are enough to tell you we were not told the truth. Not even a small part of it.

But why all these? The oil? the money? the power of some people? Well, oil, money, power....these are like elements. It's all about the "game". There's a single factor that limits some players. The value of the human life. If you take it off you can pull a WTC event as part of your game and go for sleep like nothing happened. That's what pretty much answers you why conspiracies exist and often are true.

none of 4 black boxes officially were found, but the passporte of one of the hijackers was intact in the scene. As the video said, "Who believe these things?" Answer that yourself.

actually a fireworker helped find 3/4 black boxes...they are gone though now

here is who should be arrested
every living male member of the bush family
mayor of new york
head of faa
commanding officers of local airforce, army, navy institutes
current and past heads of SEC suroundig the event
cia
larry silverstein

that would be a good start....one of those rats will turn on the others...if indeed they were all arrested

Right the fuck on!

You notice how you get these thralls who believe everything the press or govt. tells them? They're more scary than any terrorists. To think we have millions of people living in a country where humanity, after thousands of years of 'civilization' now have free speech and they don't have a fucking clue what an independent thought process is nor what to do with it.

If one just argued the 'physics' alone, one knows the official stories are lacking. Not necessarily 'lying' but lacking. That alone warrants the pursuit of the truth.

It's about stealing and covering it up. That's all. I'll betcha' so many people were dealing heroin and gold and weapons that when 9/11 hit they all realized their shit was out in the open and fuck all if people died, they had to cover it up.

Oh, fogot, Soul_Rebel, them girls in your sig are sooo cute.

Yes, that's why i said officialy not found. Truth it appears to be a strange thing, it's not what you perceive that matters, not even what can you prove anymore, but what it will get approved and by who.

The passporte found may not be an attempt to add fake evidences in the case, but just a bet between players to prove how blind/brainwashed/efortless people are.

Phoenix, no one is gonna arrest them! Not unless they start squealing or fucking up more money. The whole thing is about not rocking the boat or gambling, whores, child prostitution, dope and weapons sales will go to the shitter and everyone on Earth will go broke.

Just read "The Ferengi Rules Of Acquisition" to figure out the mentality of our world leaders.

they are cuties indeed :-)

Of course,none is gonna arrest anyone. Many corruptions cases around the world get exposed by evidences provided by journalists, civilians etc. Even cases were the largest past of high level justice officers are corrupted and eventually there is an end to that activity.

Right now no matter the volume and the value of evidences coming up there's not even the typical movement through the legal path for an
investigation and there are no heros left to fight it.

All those in favour of conspiracy theories I'll throw you a little more wood for the fire. http://www.newamericancentury.org/

9/11 Could be part of the bigger picture if you're a conspiracy theorist.

This video is a real waste of time. It's time to stop conspiracy theories about Sept 11.

totally agree!

http://www.democracynow.org/article..../08/10/1346254

This IS the smoking gun story about 9/11. It's fucking nothing less than probably the most amazing story in modern history.

did you watch it?

That was the floors dropping from top to bottom collapsing on themselves. Its what started the full collapse of the building. The heat weakened the metal support girders and all the above floors started to fall down. The weight accumulated and that was the end of it. No big conspiracy. Its common fuckin sense.