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Libertine · 03-01-2006, 11:27 AM

Last week we had Frankenstein by Mary Shelley, this week the Book of the Week is:

Fathers and Sons - Ivan Turgenev

Fathers and Sons is Turgenev's best known work, perhaps the first modern Russian psychological novel, and one of the greatest works of Russian literature, perhaps on par with such works as Anna Karenina and Crime and Punishment (novels for which, some argue, Fathers and Sons paved the way - Dostoevsky and Tolstoy themselves, however, were rather critical of Turgenev). Unlike most Russian literature, though, Fathers and Sons is a rather easy read, and relatively short to boot.

The story of Fathers and Sons focuses on two young men who consider themselves to be nihilists (the "sons" - it should be noted that the Russian title actually translates as "Fathers and Children"), and how their beliefs clash with those of the older liberals. It explores the theme of great ideals being confronted with the real world, and the hero, a young man named Bazarov, is sometimes said to be the first Bolshevik in literature.
The book provides a fairly balanced view of the characters and their beliefs, and has therefore been criticized by conservatives for being too negative about the "fathers" and too positive about the "sons", while it has been criticized by left wing radicals for the exact opposite - criticizing the young and being too kind about the old. These conflicting criticisms may well be an even better sign of the quality of the story than the huge praise it has received throughout the last century and a half.

My advice: buy it and read it as soon as you can

Libertine · 03-01-2006, 12:10 PM

GFY no like Turgenev?

PixeLs · 03-01-2006, 08:12 PM

I like him but I haven't read that novel yet. I enjoyed reading his "Torrents of Spring" though.

Libertine · 03-01-2006, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by PixeLs

I like him but I haven't read that novel yet. I enjoyed reading his "Torrents of Spring" though.

Huh? I guess I'll have to revise my entire opinion on klikrev posters now...

Anyway, definitely read Fathers and Sons. While Torrents of Spring is a good story, Fathers and Sons is on a completely different level.

uno · 03-01-2006, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by punkworld

Huh? I guess I'll have to revise my entire opinion on klikrev posters now...

Anyway, definitely read Fathers and Sons. While Torrents of Spring is a good story, Fathers and Sons is on a completely different level.

Wow, unbelievable.

Libertine · 03-01-2006, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by uno

Wow, unbelievable.

Huh? What's unbelievable?

reynold · 03-02-2006, 12:15 AM

I have read Crime and Punishment and Nabokov's Lolita and I like them very much. When I hit the bookstore I may have to check that book you're talking about.

SilverTab · 03-02-2006, 12:19 AM

Mmmm Crime and Punishment is Dostoevsky, Not Turgenev no?

Libertine · 03-02-2006, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverTab

Mmmm Crime and Punishment is Dostoevsky, Not Turgenev no?

Yes, Crime and Punishment is Dostoevsky, and Anna Karenina is Tolstoy. When I say that some argue that Fathers and Sons is on par with those and perhaps paved the way for them, I of course mean as seen in the tradition of (Russian) literature, not in a single author's development (since they are three separate authors).

SilverTab · 03-02-2006, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by punkworld

Yes, Crime and Punishment is Dostoevsky, and Anna Karenina is Tolstoy. When I say that some argue that Fathers and Sons is on par with those and perhaps paved the way for them, I of course mean as seen in the tradition of (Russian) literature, not in a single author's development (since they are three separate authors).

oh sorry missed that part of your post! I was just answering to reynold...who, Im guessing, was replying to your post!

(didnt see you mentioned Dostoevsky and Tolstoy's works in your original post!)

SilverTab · 03-02-2006, 12:57 AM

I have Notes from the underground, from Dostoevsky here...I have yet to read it...! So many books to read, so little time

DateDoc · 03-02-2006, 12:58 AM

I'm busy getting my Templar fix with Steve Berry's The Templar Legacy.

Libertine · 03-02-2006, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverTab

I have Notes from the underground, from Dostoevsky here...I have yet to read it...! So many books to read, so little time

Haven't read that one yet, and you're definitely right... there are just too many possibly great books in this world to read.

Sarah_Jayne · 03-02-2006, 01:11 AM

I love these threads. For a brief moment it feels like an intellegent board. Today is my monthly bookstore day. I am considering picking up some Capote just because I have never read him and with the film out it is making me feel like I am lacking in an aspect of pop culture.

SilverTab · 03-02-2006, 01:17 AM

Cant wait to see the movie!

(Capote)

$5 submissions · 03-02-2006, 01:25 AM

Thanks for the recommendation and great thread, PW. I'll check out Fathers and Sons. BTW, the download link is at http://ebooks.du.ac.in/etext.library.../t93f/t93f.zip

reynold · 03-02-2006, 01:30 AM

monkey notes of Fathers and Sons: http://pinkmonkey.com/booknotes/monk...atherSon01.asp

2HousePlague · 03-02-2006, 01:34 AM

Fuck Fathers & Sons -- what this thread need is SONS & LOVERS, bitches...

WITH the spring came again the old madness and battle. Now he knew he would have to go to Miriam. But what was his reluctance? He told himself it was only a sort of overstrong virginity in her and him which neither could break through. He might have married her; but his circumstances at home made it difficult, and, moreover, he did not want to marry. Marriage was for life, and because they had become close companions, he and she, he did not see that it should inevitably follow they should be man and wife. He did not feel that he wanted marriage with Miriam. He wished he did. He would have given his head to have felt a joyous desire to marry her and to have her. Then why couldn't he bring it off? There was some obstacle; and what was the obstacle? It lay in the physical bondage. He shrank from the physical contact. But why? With her he felt bound up inside himself. He could not go out to her. Something struggled in him, but he could not get to her. Why? She loved him. Clara said she even wanted him; then why couldn't he go to her, make love to her, kiss her? Why, when she put her arm in his, timidly, as they walked, did he feel he would burst forth in brutality and recoil? He owed himself to her; he wanted to belong to her. Perhaps the recoil and the shrinking from her was love in its first fierce modesty. He bad no aversion for her. No, it was the opposite; it was a strong desire battling with a still stronger shyness and virginity. It seemed as if virginity were a positive force, which fought...

http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/mo...c/LawSons.html

uno · 03-02-2006, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by punkworld

Huh? What's unbelievable?

KlikRev busting out of nowhere with something relevant.

Libertine · 03-02-2006, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by uno

KlikRev busting out of nowhere with something relevant.

Ah, yeah. I've seen them make more relevant posts today, though. Perhaps they're not as useless as they seemed, or, perhaps, they've learned how to use Google. Either way, it's an improvement.

Sarah_Jayne · 03-02-2006, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverTab

Cant wait to see the movie!

(Capote)

going into the west end to see it this afternoon so that I have seen all the best picture nominees by Sunday

uno · 03-06-2006, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by punkworld

Ah, yeah. I've seen them make more relevant posts today, though. Perhaps they're not as useless as they seemed, or, perhaps, they've learned how to use Google. Either way, it's an improvement.

Maybe their algo was updated.

je_rome · 03-07-2006, 02:26 AM

il be dropping by the bookstore tomorrow morning... i think i should secure a copy of this book.

i like the idea of "Must read Book of the Week" thread

Ivana Fukalot · 03-07-2006, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by punkworld

GFY no like Turgenev?

Ah, so cool that you like our russian writers! Turgenev is one of the famous.

Teodora · 03-07-2006, 03:24 AM

don't know this book, but heard about it and want to read it... My favourite is Song of Solomon by Tony Morrison. Excellent piece of work, worth reading it

Ivana Fukalot · 03-07-2006, 05:13 AM

Now i am reading "Pride and Prejudice" by Jane Austen in english, very nice story. And it helps me to improve my english

elitetec · 03-26-2006, 08:46 AM

Did you read it allready?

Monique Niccole · 03-26-2006, 08:53 AM

I'm reading "Love in the Time of Cholera" (Gabriel Garcia Marquez) right now, but these threads are giving me some new books to add to my reading list

CaptainHowdy · 03-26-2006, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by elitetec

Did you read it allready?

!!

03-01-2006, 11:27 AM	#1
Libertine sex dwarf Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 17,860	Must read book of the week Last week we had Frankenstein by Mary Shelley, this week the Book of the Week is: Fathers and Sons - Ivan Turgenev Fathers and Sons is Turgenev's best known work, perhaps the first modern Russian psychological novel, and one of the greatest works of Russian literature, perhaps on par with such works as Anna Karenina and Crime and Punishment (novels for which, some argue, Fathers and Sons paved the way - Dostoevsky and Tolstoy themselves, however, were rather critical of Turgenev). Unlike most Russian literature, though, Fathers and Sons is a rather easy read, and relatively short to boot. The story of Fathers and Sons focuses on two young men who consider themselves to be nihilists (the "sons" - it should be noted that the Russian title actually translates as "Fathers and Children"), and how their beliefs clash with those of the older liberals. It explores the theme of great ideals being confronted with the real world, and the hero, a young man named Bazarov, is sometimes said to be the first Bolshevik in literature. The book provides a fairly balanced view of the characters and their beliefs, and has therefore been criticized by conservatives for being too negative about the "fathers" and too positive about the "sons", while it has been criticized by left wing radicals for the exact opposite - criticizing the young and being too kind about the old. These conflicting criticisms may well be an even better sign of the quality of the story than the huge praise it has received throughout the last century and a half. My advice: buy it and read it as soon as you can __________________ /(bb\|[^b]{2})/

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Libertine sex dwarf Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 17,860	GFY no like Turgenev? __________________ /(bb\|[^b]{2})/

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SilverTab Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: MTL Posts: 5,060	Mmmm Crime and Punishment is Dostoevsky, Not Turgenev no? __________________ mmm my sig was too big... no more cool animation but hey still! need php? ICQ: 94586959

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SilverTab Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: MTL Posts: 5,060	I have Notes from the underground, from Dostoevsky here...I have yet to read it...! So many books to read, so little time __________________ mmm my sig was too big... no more cool animation but hey still! need php? ICQ: 94586959

03-02-2006, 12:15 AM	#7
reynold Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Global Traveler Posts: 51,271	I have read Crime and Punishment and Nabokov's Lolita and I like them very much. When I hit the bookstore I may have to check that book you're talking about.

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DateDoc Outside looking in. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: To Hell You Ride Posts: 14,243	I'm busy getting my Templar fix with Steve Berry's The Templar Legacy. __________________

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Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	I love these threads. For a brief moment it feels like an intellegent board. Today is my monthly bookstore day. I am considering picking up some Capote just because I have never read him and with the film out it is making me feel like I am lacking in an aspect of pop culture.

03-02-2006, 01:17 AM	#15
SilverTab Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: MTL Posts: 5,060	Cant wait to see the movie! (Capote) __________________ mmm my sig was too big... no more cool animation but hey still! need php? ICQ: 94586959

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$5 submissions I help you SUCCEED Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Pearl of the Orient Seas Posts: 32,195	Thanks for the recommendation and great thread, PW. I'll check out Fathers and Sons. BTW, the download link is at http://ebooks.du.ac.in/etext.library.../t93f/t93f.zip __________________ Need a NON-ADULT income stream? We build your YOUTUBE CHANNEL for only $20 per video! For Hire: $3/hour or $400 per month Marketing Specialist Virtual Assistants

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reynold Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Global Traveler Posts: 51,271	monkey notes of Fathers and Sons: http://pinkmonkey.com/booknotes/monk...atherSon01.asp

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2HousePlague CURATOR Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: the attic Posts: 14,572	Fuck Fathers & Sons -- what this thread need is SONS & LOVERS, bitches... WITH the spring came again the old madness and battle. Now he knew he would have to go to Miriam. But what was his reluctance? He told himself it was only a sort of overstrong virginity in her and him which neither could break through. He might have married her; but his circumstances at home made it difficult, and, moreover, he did not want to marry. Marriage was for life, and because they had become close companions, he and she, he did not see that it should inevitably follow they should be man and wife. He did not feel that he wanted marriage with Miriam. He wished he did. He would have given his head to have felt a joyous desire to marry her and to have her. Then why couldn't he bring it off? There was some obstacle; and what was the obstacle? It lay in the physical bondage. He shrank from the physical contact. But why? With her he felt bound up inside himself. He could not go out to her. Something struggled in him, but he could not get to her. Why? She loved him. Clara said she even wanted him; then why couldn't he go to her, make love to her, kiss her? Why, when she put her arm in his, timidly, as they walked, did he feel he would burst forth in brutality and recoil? He owed himself to her; he wanted to belong to her. Perhaps the recoil and the shrinking from her was love in its first fierce modesty. He bad no aversion for her. No, it was the opposite; it was a strong desire battling with a still stronger shyness and virginity. It seemed as if virginity were a positive force, which fought... http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/mo...c/LawSons.html __________________ tada!

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Monique Niccole Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 5,653	I'm reading "Love in the Time of Cholera" (Gabriel Garcia Marquez) right now, but these threads are giving me some new books to add to my reading list