How many webmasters prefer a good rev share program? - GoFuckYourself.com

RRRED · 02-24-2006, 03:38 PM

It's always such an issue when you're talking to a webmaster about a program. Everyone has to do PPS and make the quick buck. Is this because most members areas are total garbage these days and that's the only way the webmaster can make good money?

I dunno. I'm starting to change my way of thinking these days and I notice that some others are starting to do the same.

Anyone else starting to worry more about their bottom line over the quick buck?

Peaches · 02-24-2006, 03:41 PM

Personally it's always depended on the sites. For one of the big huge corporate sites that basically all have the same backend, I like PPS. For smaller single girl sites, where the girls update the sites frequently and build up a good and long term fanbase, I like revshare.

modF · 02-24-2006, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches

Personally it's always depended on the sites. For one of the big huge corporate sites that basically all have the same backend, I like PPS. For smaller single girl sites, where the girls update the sites frequently and build up a good and long term fanbase, I like revshare.

I dont' think I could have said it any better.

chase · 02-24-2006, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches

Personally it's always depended on the sites. For one of the big huge corporate sites that basically all have the same backend, I like PPS. For smaller single girl sites, where the girls update the sites frequently and build up a good and long term fanbase, I like revshare.

What she said.

sonofsam · 02-24-2006, 03:44 PM

completely depends on the site

sites like karups or naughty america - revshare all the way

sites like errr.. i'll just leave them nameless... PPS

most sponsors should give you a pass to check out the members area, and then you can decide on that

also check your icq

Nookster · 02-24-2006, 03:46 PM

Me me me!! I love revshare programs. For example, methodcash is making me some damn good greenbacks as of late. If I were slanging the single sales I wouldn't have made dick so far this period.

WiredGuy · 02-24-2006, 03:57 PM

PPS is the only model that can be assessed for my business model. When you're doing media buys of this scale, I'm not waiting 4-5 months to realize capital gains (or losses). I need to know with 7-10 days maximum if I should continue or cut the campaign.
WG

axelcat · 02-24-2006, 04:01 PM

revshare has worked the best for me through the years

RRRED · 02-24-2006, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

completely depends on the site

sites like karups or naughty america - revshare all the way

sites like errr.. i'll just leave them nameless... PPS

most sponsors should give you a pass to check out the members area, and then you can decide on that

also check your icq

Hahaha you posted that before we talked?

sonofsam · 02-24-2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RRRED

Hahaha you posted that before we talked?

yah, way before we talked

adultchica · 02-24-2006, 04:08 PM

Only a few programs have revshare that is worth the wait over pps

Theo · 02-24-2006, 04:27 PM

I don't have any ratio, but I can tell you we don't have problem without offering a PPS to get affiliates that do know their traffic and can put numbers down and remain on our program.

Up to 2003 by offering a PPS program you could pretty much guarantee your survival. We arrived at the current status after the massive exodus of failed webmasters from the industry and the radical increase of affiliate programs from those that manage to save ten bucks.

Suprise surpise all these bright minds come up with deceiving PPS programs. Have a look at the traffic they receive and you'll start questioning yourself if they have a 2nd job for living. Request access to their paysites and you'll see a cemetery of blowout dvd offers purchased for 90 bucks each.

TheSaint · 02-24-2006, 06:44 PM

I'll take 3rd party revshare everytime.

PR_Dave · 02-24-2006, 06:46 PM

See sig.

Good PPS programs, good revshare programs too.

jayeff · 02-24-2006, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RRRED

Anyone else starting to worry more about their bottom line over the quick buck?

You are implying that revshare automatically means a better bottom line, when in fact many new site owners protect themselves with revshare without having a clue whether their sites will retain. I have also suspected a few programs over the last couple of years of effectively reducing their payouts by offering revshare payouts on sites designed to work according to PPS principles: in other words sites the owners know will not retain because they are not intended to.

I approach both payout methods with equal caution, but always hoping I can find good revshare programs. The first reason is that contrary to what most of us appear to think, surfers are a mix of ordinary people, no more stupid than the population (of which we are part) at large. Which means that a good revshare program will inevitably be more honest with its members and come a lot closer to providing what they are looking for.

That gives me a lot more confidence and helps me feel better about selling the sites concerned. It gives me at least the possibility that having satisfied someone once, he just might come back to me when he wants something new. More importantly I have generally found the operators of good revshare programs to be a lot, lot better and easier to work with and I suspect (or at least hope) that since they are honest with their customers, a higher proportion are also honest with their affiliates.

Last but of course not least, any recurring site which retains for 3+ months on average is likely to produce more income for me than the majority of PPS programs. Unfortunately, there just aren't enough of them...

DamageX · 02-24-2006, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jayeff

You are implying that revshare automatically means a better bottom line, when in fact many new site owners protect themselves with revshare without having a clue whether their sites will retain. I have also suspected a few programs over the last couple of years of effectively reducing their payouts by offering revshare payouts on sites designed to work according to PPS principles: in other words sites the owners know will not retain because they are not intended to.

I approach both payout methods with equal caution, but always hoping I can find good revshare programs. The first reason is that contrary to what most of us appear to think, surfers are a mix of ordinary people, no more stupid than the population (of which we are part) at large. Which means that a good revshare program will inevitably be more honest with its members and come a lot closer to providing what they are looking for.

That gives me a lot more confidence and helps me feel better about selling the sites concerned. It gives me at least the possibility that having satisfied someone once, he just might come back to me when he wants something new. More importantly I have generally found the operators of good revshare programs to be a lot, lot better and easier to work with and I suspect (or at least hope) that since they are honest with their customers, a higher proportion are also honest with their affiliates.

And then there are the Perfection Jeffs of the business...

jayeff · 02-24-2006, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

And then there are the Perfection Jeffs of the business...

Paparazzi · 02-24-2006, 08:19 PM

why accept $35/signup when you can make $55-60 average with revshare

Wiggles · 02-24-2006, 08:22 PM

depends if the site can actually retain, fetish tends to retain well, also solo girls when you find the obsessed freaks.

woj · 02-24-2006, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Paparazzi

why accept $35/signup when you can make $55-60 average with revshare

you wish... I dare you to post some stats showing you average that much per member....

Juilan · 02-24-2006, 10:21 PM

For me it depends on the traffic source. Some traffic rebills liek mad while other sources will signup for 1 month only and then ditch. So if you have a known traffic source and send 1/2 to pps and 1/2 to pct for a qtr. and then compare... at least thats what i do when i'm sober....

Thomas N · 02-24-2006, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Paparazzi

why accept $35/signup when you can make $55-60 average with revshare

I'm not greedy, I'll take the $35 per signup and you can keep all that extra cash for yourself.

Blizzard · 02-24-2006, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

PPS is the only model that can be assessed for my business model. When you're doing media buys of this scale, I'm not waiting 4-5 months to realize capital gains (or losses). I need to know with 7-10 days maximum if I should continue or cut the campaign.
WG

What he said. Also if you're a mailer/dirty spammer you'll always prefer PPS.

EOF.

xclusive · 02-24-2006, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches

Personally it's always depended on the sites. For one of the big huge corporate sites that basically all have the same backend, I like PPS. For smaller single girl sites, where the girls update the sites frequently and build up a good and long term fanbase, I like revshare.

Damn, I agree with Peaches, Shoot me now

j/k

Cash · 02-25-2006, 12:02 AM

It's so frustrating to see all those cancels and think of actual losses, that it's hard to wait for months to see if rebills, esp. those of people who rebil even after 1 year, turn into better profit than the initial PPS earnings ... So PPS for me.

SomeCreep · 02-25-2006, 12:32 AM

All the professional webmasters I know, promote a mix of both PPS and revshare programs.

studiocritic · 02-25-2006, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

PPS is the only model that can be assessed for my business model. When you're doing media buys of this scale, I'm not waiting 4-5 months to realize capital gains (or losses). I need to know with 7-10 days maximum if I should continue or cut the campaign.
WG

WG spoke for all of us that do PPC.

WiredGuy · 02-25-2006, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by studiocritic

WG spoke for all of us that do PPC.

I can tell who are the media buyers in this thread, hehe.
WG

bdld · 02-25-2006, 01:20 AM

At this point the only revshare program I promote is hahaha, everything else is PPS.

StatsJunky · 02-25-2006, 02:18 AM

PPS pretty much all the way for me. I won't turn down a good site that has revshare but would prefer PPS over that anyday.

Pretty much the only program that has performed well with revhsare only was BlacksOnBlondes. I promoted them heavily back in 2000 up to late 2001. And I still get decent size checks every week to this day. No idea how the perform now... but they in my experience, where an extreme case of revshare performing better.

Morgan · 02-25-2006, 02:21 AM

Ive made most of my money with revshare.

NickB. · 02-25-2006, 02:26 AM

owwww yeah Rev Share is baaaaaaaaaaaack!
Thanks for the kind words bdld, You ROCK !!!!!

bigdog · 04-02-2006, 07:36 AM

i am greedy want my money upfront even if it's $20 a join

Pornopat · 04-02-2006, 09:29 AM

If you think pps pays more money then revshare you will have to follow that line of thinking and make other conclusions about the program as well...

Quick Buck · 04-02-2006, 09:52 AM

I prefer sending to PPS programs. It's not so much a question of whether over the course of 18 months whether you'll make more with revshare than PPS... you might make a *bit* more with revshare if the site is very niched and has an amazing amount of content and frequent updates (such as single girl sites)....

My bottom line for choosng PPS is that I remember companies like "busty amateurs"... who shut down owing millions to their partners. If you choose revshare, you're not just betting on the members area and billing options, but the viability of the company too.

Not to be a nay sayer, but what happens if they lose a merchant account or get sued or if their biller goes under etc..etc..etc... i prefer to just get my money now.. as Rrred said...

I prefer the quick buck

SomeCreep · 04-02-2006, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RRRED

It's always such an issue when you're talking to a webmaster about a program. Everyone has to do PPS and make the quick buck. Is this because most members areas are total garbage these days and that's the only way the webmaster can make good money?

I dunno. I'm starting to change my way of thinking these days and I notice that some others are starting to do the same.

Anyone else starting to worry more about their bottom line over the quick buck?

I prefer promoting a mix of pps and revshare sponsors. The problem with some revshare sponsors is that they dont update new content, rather they rotate the content they already have.

PPS is always the safe bet though for affiliates, which is probably why most affiliates prefer PPS.

I have some revshare sponsors where I average $8/sale, others where I average $45+/sale. Experience is golden.

Designed Perfection · 04-02-2006, 10:36 AM

i do lol

andrej_NDC · 04-02-2006, 02:29 PM

I prefer revshare since that makes me twice as many sales on the same traffic(same sponsor). I wonder why.

MichaelP · 04-02-2006, 02:33 PM

I do think it depends on one particular traffic and the site type where he send these surfers....

I think the best is to try both with the same traffic, when you can, and see which one is better for you

Theo · 04-02-2006, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdog

i am greedy want my money upfront even if it's $20 a join

greedy is not leaving anything on table, not taking less lol

Aula · 04-02-2006, 02:36 PM

I think it's really depends on the site ...

tranza · 04-02-2006, 02:37 PM

Most member's area suck and are not updated frequently enough to retain well.

That's why I like PPS more.

Thomas1007 · 04-02-2006, 02:38 PM

I definately prefer revshare but as said earlier it depends on the site/sponsor.

Pornopat · 04-02-2006, 05:14 PM

Let me repeat in a more clear way.....if sponsors dont update and dont retain...and they are still paying you like $35 a sale...they probably shave the hair of your balls and your balls with them...
So if you go for pps you still get screwed.

Quick Buck · 04-02-2006, 07:27 PM

do you really think PPS program owners are just complete idiots with no idea how to make money or how to take care of customers?

Or is it more probable that they have simply realized that daily updates don't affect retention?

DamageX · 04-02-2006, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornopat

Let me repeat in a more clear way.....if sponsors dont update and dont retain...and they are still paying you like $35 a sale...they probably shave the hair of your balls and your balls with them...
So if you go for pps you still get screwed.

There's more than one way to skin a cat, not all sponsors rely on rebills to make money.

Marshal · 04-02-2006, 09:19 PM

would you preffer PPS or REV with stable sponsors, such as NastyDollars or BangBros?

FightThisPatent · 04-02-2006, 09:30 PM

If the paysite has killer content that can keep members rebilling, then they want to do PPS.. because a $40 PPS is cheaper than paying 50% of a 19.95/month for a year.

Affiliates want instant gratification for their traffic, so they go for the PPS.

Those that do rev-share might fall into one of the following reasons:

1) don't have the float to carry having a big hit of signups and being able to survive for 2-3 months until the rebills are profitable

2) aren't sure of their content, and rev-share is the best way to not be in the black on the signup

3) have great retaining content but like to share the wealth with their affiliates

4) (feel free to suggest some other reasons why programs have rev-share).

PPS also invites shaving alot more than rev-share....

Those companies that have the capital to sustain operations and do PPS, are the ones that attract the big traffic and making the big dollars with their long-term plans.

Fight the necessary evil!

bigdog · 04-02-2006, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Quick Buck

do you really think PPS program owners are just complete idiots with no idea how to make money or how to take care of customers?

Or is it more probable that they have simply realized that daily updates don't affect retention?

Can't blame a pps program if they don't do updates. Why waste money on updates if it doesn't make any difference for their affilate program. Just that when a affilate sees his ratios tumble and the members area is not being updated, shaving is going to cross their mind.

Paparazzi · 04-03-2006, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj

you wish... I dare you to post some stats showing you average that much per member....

02-24-2006, 03:38 PM	#1
RRRED Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WA Posts: 6,754	How many webmasters prefer a good rev share program? It's always such an issue when you're talking to a webmaster about a program. Everyone has to do PPS and make the quick buck. Is this because most members areas are total garbage these days and that's the only way the webmaster can make good money? I dunno. I'm starting to change my way of thinking these days and I notice that some others are starting to do the same. Anyone else starting to worry more about their bottom line over the quick buck?

02-24-2006, 03:44 PM	#5
sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,639	completely depends on the site sites like karups or naughty america - revshare all the way sites like errr.. i'll just leave them nameless... PPS most sponsors should give you a pass to check out the members area, and then you can decide on that also check your icq __________________ I like turtles.

02-24-2006, 03:46 PM	#6
Nookster Confirmed IT Professional Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 3,744	Me me me!! I love revshare programs. For example, methodcash is making me some damn good greenbacks as of late. If I were slanging the single sales I wouldn't have made dick so far this period. __________________ The Best Affiliate Software, Ever.

02-24-2006, 03:57 PM	#7
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,504	PPS is the only model that can be assessed for my business model. When you're doing media buys of this scale, I'm not waiting 4-5 months to realize capital gains (or losses). I need to know with 7-10 days maximum if I should continue or cut the campaign. WG __________________ I play with Google.

02-24-2006, 04:08 PM	#11
adultchica Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: usa Posts: 5,141	Only a few programs have revshare that is worth the wait over pps __________________

02-24-2006, 03:41 PM	#2
Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	Personally it's always depended on the sites. For one of the big huge corporate sites that basically all have the same backend, I like PPS. For smaller single girl sites, where the girls update the sites frequently and build up a good and long term fanbase, I like revshare.

02-24-2006, 04:01 PM	#8
axelcat Adult Locals Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: West Coast Posts: 25,450	revshare has worked the best for me through the years

02-24-2006, 04:27 PM	#12
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	I don't have any ratio, but I can tell you we don't have problem without offering a PPS to get affiliates that do know their traffic and can put numbers down and remain on our program. Up to 2003 by offering a PPS program you could pretty much guarantee your survival. We arrived at the current status after the massive exodus of failed webmasters from the industry and the radical increase of affiliate programs from those that manage to save ten bucks. Suprise surpise all these bright minds come up with deceiving PPS programs. Have a look at the traffic they receive and you'll start questioning yourself if they have a 2nd job for living. Request access to their paysites and you'll see a cemetery of blowout dvd offers purchased for 90 bucks each.

02-24-2006, 06:44 PM	#13
TheSaint Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Everywhere at once Posts: 991	I'll take 3rd party revshare everytime. __________________ I have no signature

02-24-2006, 06:46 PM	#14
PR_Dave Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Italy Posts: 2,792	See sig. Good PPS programs, good revshare programs too. __________________ www.PIMPROLL.com

02-24-2006, 08:19 PM	#18
Paparazzi Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,488	why accept $35/signup when you can make $55-60 average with revshare __________________ Pure Level(3) Premium Bandwidth When Quality Counts

02-24-2006, 08:22 PM	#19
Wiggles Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 14,423	depends if the site can actually retain, fetish tends to retain well, also solo girls when you find the obsessed freaks. __________________ no sig

02-24-2006, 10:21 PM	#21
Juilan Sultan of Swing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: XXXodus Posts: 15,141	For me it depends on the traffic source. Some traffic rebills liek mad while other sources will signup for 1 month only and then ditch. So if you have a known traffic source and send 1/2 to pps and 1/2 to pct for a qtr. and then compare... at least thats what i do when i'm sober.... __________________ My Best Converting VOD Sponsor \|

02-25-2006, 12:02 AM	#25
Cash Click on my TCG signature Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 20,825	It's so frustrating to see all those cancels and think of actual losses, that it's hard to wait for months to see if rebills, esp. those of people who rebil even after 1 year, turn into better profit than the initial PPS earnings ... So PPS for me. __________________ $9.95/month for 15000 GB bandwidth monthly, unlimited (sub)domains and MySQL5, PHP4/5, 500 GB disk storage! ; use any of these invitation codes: 216263692101; 408636009193; 846090586647; my ICQ 30160426!

02-25-2006, 12:32 AM	#26
SomeCreep :glugglug Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Wild Things Are Posts: 26,118	All the professional webmasters I know, promote a mix of both PPS and revshare programs. __________________ Webair Hosting I use and recommend Webair for hosting.

02-25-2006, 01:20 AM	#29
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	At this point the only revshare program I promote is hahaha, everything else is PPS.

02-25-2006, 02:18 AM	#30
StatsJunky Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Checking My Stats Posts: 639	PPS pretty much all the way for me. I won't turn down a good site that has revshare but would prefer PPS over that anyday. Pretty much the only program that has performed well with revhsare only was BlacksOnBlondes. I promoted them heavily back in 2000 up to late 2001. And I still get decent size checks every week to this day. No idea how the perform now... but they in my experience, where an extreme case of revshare performing better. __________________ erik AT suthnet.com Last edited by StatsJunky; 02-25-2006 at 02:19 AM..

02-25-2006, 02:21 AM	#31
Morgan Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Corona Del Mar, CA Posts: 10,520	Ive made most of my money with revshare. __________________ PornstarPlatinum.com \| TransErotica.com

02-25-2006, 02:26 AM	#32
NickB. Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8,855	owwww yeah Rev Share is baaaaaaaaaaaack! Thanks for the kind words bdld, You ROCK !!!!!

04-02-2006, 07:36 AM	#33
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	i am greedy want my money upfront even if it's $20 a join

04-02-2006, 09:29 AM	#34
Pornopat AdultTubeSubmits.com Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 10,598	If you think pps pays more money then revshare you will have to follow that line of thinking and make other conclusions about the program as well... __________________ https://stripcash.com/sign-up/?userI...fff832eb95ab6a

04-02-2006, 09:52 AM	#35
Quick Buck Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Free-Trials.......... Weekly-Payouts..... 100+Sites Posts: 1,026	I prefer sending to PPS programs. It's not so much a question of whether over the course of 18 months whether you'll make more with revshare than PPS... you might make a bit more with revshare if the site is very niched and has an amazing amount of content and frequent updates (such as single girl sites).... My bottom line for choosng PPS is that I remember companies like "busty amateurs"... who shut down owing millions to their partners. If you choose revshare, you're not just betting on the members area and billing options, but the viability of the company too. Not to be a nay sayer, but what happens if they lose a merchant account or get sued or if their biller goes under etc..etc..etc... i prefer to just get my money now.. as Rrred said... I prefer the quick buck __________________ $50 FREE TRIALS! Every Day til 2008!!! Only at QuickBuck

04-02-2006, 10:36 AM	#37
Designed Perfection Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 81	i do lol

04-02-2006, 02:29 PM	#38
andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	I prefer revshare since that makes me twice as many sales on the same traffic(same sponsor). I wonder why.

04-02-2006, 02:33 PM	#39
MichaelP Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: QWEBEC Corporate Office Posts: 7,124	I do think it depends on one particular traffic and the site type where he send these surfers.... I think the best is to try both with the same traffic, when you can, and see which one is better for you

04-02-2006, 02:36 PM	#41
Aula Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 229	I think it's really depends on the site ...

04-02-2006, 02:37 PM	#42
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	Most member's area suck and are not updated frequently enough to retain well. That's why I like PPS more. __________________ I'm just a newbie.

04-02-2006, 02:38 PM	#43
Thomas1007 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: BC Canada Posts: 5,542	I definately prefer revshare but as said earlier it depends on the site/sponsor. __________________ BUY THIS SPOT CONTACT ME FOR DETAILS Contact Email

04-02-2006, 05:14 PM	#44
Pornopat AdultTubeSubmits.com Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 10,598	Let me repeat in a more clear way.....if sponsors dont update and dont retain...and they are still paying you like $35 a sale...they probably shave the hair of your balls and your balls with them... So if you go for pps you still get screwed. __________________ https://stripcash.com/sign-up/?userI...fff832eb95ab6a

04-02-2006, 07:27 PM	#45
Quick Buck Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Free-Trials.......... Weekly-Payouts..... 100+Sites Posts: 1,026	do you really think PPS program owners are just complete idiots with no idea how to make money or how to take care of customers? Or is it more probable that they have simply realized that daily updates don't affect retention? __________________ $50 FREE TRIALS! Every Day til 2008!!! Only at QuickBuck

04-02-2006, 09:19 PM	#47
Marshal Biz Dev and SEO Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 15,186	would you preffer PPS or REV with stable sponsors, such as NastyDollars or BangBros? __________________ --- Busy ranking websites on Google...

04-02-2006, 09:30 PM	#48
FightThisPatent Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 4,090	If the paysite has killer content that can keep members rebilling, then they want to do PPS.. because a $40 PPS is cheaper than paying 50% of a 19.95/month for a year. Affiliates want instant gratification for their traffic, so they go for the PPS. Those that do rev-share might fall into one of the following reasons: 1) don't have the float to carry having a big hit of signups and being able to survive for 2-3 months until the rebills are profitable 2) aren't sure of their content, and rev-share is the best way to not be in the black on the signup 3) have great retaining content but like to share the wealth with their affiliates 4) (feel free to suggest some other reasons why programs have rev-share). PPS also invites shaving alot more than rev-share.... Those companies that have the capital to sustain operations and do PPS, are the ones that attract the big traffic and making the big dollars with their long-term plans. Fight the necessary evil! __________________ http://www.t3report.com (where's the traffic?) v5.0 is out! \| http://www.FightThePatent.com \| ICQ 52741957