I agree with my wife in spe :)
Keep it up Kimmykim

Pathfinder, Upload the pile of shit and I will make sure it gets so saturated that he wont be able to charge more then his sisters coochie for it.... if you dont wanna upload it, send it to me and I will upload it myself :) this guys a homo

Married with Children - oh the good old days.
Peggy and her family were from Wanker County.

Pipecrew:

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i don't see why u should get a refund. ya the guys a complete dick, but u can't buy something and then change ur mind later especially when he has a no refund policy.

you charging back is illegal.

FlyingIguana:

What gave you the idea that you can't buy something and then change your mind? It happens everyday all across the nation; especially if you don't think the product is as advertised. What gave you the idea that a chargeback is illegal. I don't do the chargeback, the CC holder does, if you have just cause.

When I made the purchase I do not recall seeing his disclaimer. I believe he posted the disclaimer after I asked for a refund.

you make me laugh

companies don't have to give you your money back. if the credit card company finds out he has a no refund policy they won't grant u the chargeback.

because you didn't take the time to read about what you were buying he has to incur the costs? if u chargeback i bet he has a case to sue you. he didn't rip you off, but now because you can't read you're gonna rip him off?

Wrong :)

i've talked to visa about this. verisign has a no refund policy and i couldn't chargeback even when their system was fucked and i couldn't get access to domains i just renewed a couple weeks earlier.

he didn't rip you off and he has a no refund policy. its pretty much cut and dry.

Sure you can. It's called business, and any respectable business would be happy to comply. It's the whole PR thing. He should have been a little more cautious before he bought, but I wouldn't have a problem giving the refund to him. Especially to prevent several threads like these.

I hope David starts a thread about me, I want to see how bad it makes me feel too. :1orglaugh

bhutocracy's "word of the day"

Wanker :

yeah it is weird hearing a yank saying it.. here it does't really mean "cunt" though... more someone who either shows obvious displays of wealth or constantly talks about himself.. thats not really a good description... im finding it hard to think of a word for it.. it's like they are full of themselves.. because they are going on about how good they are its like masturbating.. stroking their own egos..

a cunt is just a pure asshole.. they normally have to have done something in particular to attain this status.. you can be a wanker without particularly realising it though... especially if you like to talk about yourself.. or are prone to flashy displays of self-worth.

so he should be allowed to chargeback? i don't think so, thats just plain wrong.

thats the same as some idiot that joins a paysite and doesn't read where it says they're gonna get charged a monthly fee after the trial.

if ur buying something its up to u to read what it is ur buying.

Damn I wondered why my mother allways called me a wanker lmao

FlyingIguana:

You posted: "you make me laugh

companies don't have to give you your money back. if the credit card company finds out he has a no refund policy they won't grant u the chargeback.

because you didn't take the time to read about what you were buying he has to incur the costs? if u chargeback i bet he has a case to sue you. he didn't rip you off, but now because you can't read you're gonna rip him off?"



My CC holder is fully aware that he has a no refund policy posted (I personally think that he put it up after I asked for my money back), but that is not the course my CC holder is persuing.

I would think that one cannot be sued for a chargeback, because only a CC provider can chargeback, and only if it complies with law, and they have their own attorneys, to keep them in compliance with law.

The no refund policy is a hurdle that is a difficult one but is not insurmountable.

but you're the one that asks for a chargeback. i find it hard to believe that they would even think about allowing you to dispute the charge based on what you've said here.

you need an actual reason and not 'i didn't read the page to know exactly what i was buying.' whats there to dispute? you bought it and the script works.

he can go after you for the money and also the chargeback fee. you get his product for free and he ends up paying the chargeback fee? makes a lot of sense.

you should take a little responsibility for your own stupidity for not fully reading the page. you're in the adult industry and you should know what kind of an effect chargebacks are having. tons of people do the exact same thing and in the end it just ends up fucking everyone.

FlyingIguana:

Of course I asked for the chargeback, but I will repeat that the CC provider is the one that executes the actual chargeback, which they cannot do unless it is in compliance with the law. My CC provider has temporarily returned the money to my account while they persue the investigation. I have already stated that I don't really expect the money to be permanently refunded, because of the no refund policy he posted which I have already explained is a difficult hurdle but is not insurmountable (as explained to me by my CC provider).


I don't get the product for free because there is not a product for me to use. It is worthless to me. It makes doorway pages. I have software that requires less effort than his script does. I don't even use the software because it is my understanding that the days for submitting doorway pages to the SE's are over. Hell even two bit Directories will not accept doorway pages.

I don't know if you are an attorney or have discussed this matter with an attorney (I am not an attorney and I have not discussed the matter with an attorney), but I would think that a CC provider and their attorneys, know what the law is when it comes to chargebacks. I would think that if the CC provider exposed me to a lawsuit that would, in turn, expose them to a lawsuit by me.

Please educate me on the technical legalities. I feel the need to know.

And yes; it was a stupid mistake to purchase a script when I was not completely aware of what the scprit actually does. As for the script making pages as advertised, I don't know because once I learned it merely makes doorway pages, I did not use the script. Thus maybe the script works well, maybe not.

it depends on who u get on the line when u call to do the chargeback. some will put anything through and others won't.

dealing with a 3rd party processor like paypal chances are the chargeback will go through.

so u expect him to shell out the chargeback fee because of your mistake? u made the decision to buy it, it does exactly what it says, and if u already have software similar to it that u don't use, why the hell did u buy it?

take a step back for a minute and think about it. you're punishing him for your mistake.

Pathfinder, you most likely won't get the chargeback/refund you're asking for..even if you didn't go thru Paypal. I think they usually do an investigation of the complaint..but once they are done and know you received the product, it wasn't misrepresented (even though he made it sound like it's the shit when it's not) and the product works, they would deny your refund. A chargeback isn't something they do lightly unless it is for a porn membership ; ) He shouldn't have to pay a chargeback fee and have that on his account because you made a rash decision.

And linkwhateveryournameis.. what makes you think someone would want to take time out of their life to come see your sorry ass in person? I live in Vegas and wouldn't drive down the street to waste time on you..dork!

if it went through paypal, chances are paypal will just let it go through and fine the seller. i've never had a chargeback occur when i used paypal but i know billpoint never contacted me when a sale was in dispute.

i really had no say at all. i was out the product and fined $25.

I had heard/read somewhere that when you sign up with paypal to purchase something, the terms or something state that you can't chargeback. Then again, this was from a non reliable source.

FlyingIguana:

You posted: "...if u already have software similar to it that u don't use, why the hell did u buy it?..."

This is my response to 12clicks on the first page of this thread. "12clicks:

It was the AM when I purchased the script and at that point I had been awake and working at the computer for close to 24 hours. To me (at the time) the explanation of what the script does was not completely clear. I thought that it may make actual pages of links (like a link site) with alot of pages of links. His site still does not clearly identify the script for what it actually does. I did not see any disclaimer at the time of the purchase."



This is PayPal's response to my complaint: "PayPal's Buyer Complaint Policy does not apply to disputes about the
attributes or quality of goods received. As a result, we cannot
reverse the transaction or issue a refund. We encourage you to
continue to work directly with the seller for an amicable resolution."

I purchased the script on 8 Mar and PayPal's response was received on 14 Mar although I was originally told the investigation would take thirty days.

By the way I read PayPal's response "quality of goods received" as meaning that even if you buy something such as script and the script does not work, they will not return your money.

Quoting Dave Lewis from one of his E-mails to me: "Give it to the Pope for all I care."

I have taken his advice.

... I have some 30 minutes spare time on my hands right now ... I want the cuntrotator to come back for a good laught ...

Cunt was the closest I could get as they're both used as rather generic insults these days. Either way the origin is to wank = to masturbate. Hmm....you're perhaps right though. People like the yuppies back in the 80's were probably a good example of a bunch of wankers. This is why the US version of men behaing badly wouldn't work - no wank song! :)

Read this elsewhere, just wondering if it's the same guy...

"Hey Buttmunch, aka Dave Lewis.

Why dont you take the time to put htaccess on over 3000 doamins, set around and watch for theifs stealing content all the time since some of us already paid you years ago to do work you never bothered doing anyway?

Go back to thinking up more scams to rip off people rather then hanging out on this baord so you can make your rent payments and take care of your kids.

Lee
VegasLee, around since 1996 providing webmasters with top quality
Fri Apr 26 08:01:06 2002 - 65.160.208.10 - message #177074 "

Yes KK, that's the same guy. You notice he never responded to my post about his self destruction on netsurprise a while back. He was like dealing with an obnoxious spoiled child. A clueless fuckwad newbie. Got busted flat out because his shite pagebuilding script was making pages loaded up hard with KP keywords. "It's not my fault! You all suck!" He'd throw tantrums that would last for days, same bull. "You don't know me, I'll kick your ass!" blahblahblah. Sneaking time online while working the nightshift at Kinkos. Then he was going to get a loan from his grandfather for his very own server, get a billion bajillion hits, and "You'll all be sorry for messing with me!" Everyone was happy to see him go :BangBang:

He actually emailed the guys at Adult Templates and "told on me" for calling him nasty names and telling the truth about his script. Funny stuff. I would really like to meet this guy.

Hey linkrotator (I know your dumbass is reading this)

<font color=yellow size=6 face=verdana>FUCK OFF SPAMMER</font>

Better watch it Stangster...he'l kick your ass!

:1orglaugh

LOL, I can hardly believe that he took my post as an apology...the guy's even stupider than I thought :)

The Pope has posted the script as a free download at the following URL:

http://w1.freefuckhost.com/~freemov07/doorway.html

The script makes doorway pages.

Sweet, just saved myself 90 USD :) I am gonna give it to everyone

free scripts rule :stoned

LOL

You guys are gonna get your asses kicked so bad!

hehe, take it up with the Vatican. Th3 P0p3 is 3l33t!! P0p3 haz mad sk1llz!! Rom3 0wnz War3z!!

D0n'7 phuck wi7h 7h3 P0p3. H3 i5 4 5up3r 1337 h4x0r.

Hey, all linkboy can do is kick your ass, twice. The pope can send that ass to hell. Now that's 3l33t!

I havent posted here for 48 hours and you people are still ranting and raving about me. I wont give a refund to anyone who cant read?? Fuck business and fuck PR. The person could have easily emailed me and asked me questions before purchasing the script.

This was the only unhappy customer since I started selling it. Besides, there is a disclaimer on the site saying no refunds if the script works. I have watched 74 people call me names. Im one guy selling a stupid web page maker script! If you dont want the script shut your pie hole because I could care less about any of you. Your opinion of me is completely irrelevant.

Do you really think my feelings are hurt when a bunch of complete strangers pass judgement on me. I dont know any of you and thats just fine.

All you people did was help me sell 17 more scripts since I started posting here. My goal was to make enough money to take care of my daughter and my wife. And I did what I needed to do in order to legally take care of my family. People made fun of my child, called me names, and acted like cowards before I ever got mad.

Im not trying to make friends or win a fuckin award. I needed to make money period. For all of you that couldnt mind your own damn business, you can kiss my ass and I hope you suffer in many ways in the future.

I can take 74 strangers calling me names... can you??

Do us all a favor and move on with your lives and quit acting like you are better than me because you dont even know me.

I made almost $1500 after PayPal fees on this messageboard in 96 hours. Not bad for a loser with a sick child huh.

Someone will probably make fun of my child again but now I can pay for her MRI and help her get better so fuck all of you people that treated me like shit. You are worse than scum and I sincerely hate you with all my heart. Especially the guy who talked about having sex with my kid. I would hurt you severely if I ever saw you no matter what happened to me. What goes around comes around always and you will get yours.

If anyone wants to talk about me or my family or whatever, go ahead.. have your fun. See where it gets you when the day is done.

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