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  • Pathfinder
    theking of trailer parks
    • Sep 2001
    • 2290

    #1

    Dave Lewis:

    This my E-mail exchange with Dave Lewis when I originally purchased his script.

    This is an E-mail I sent him on the same day I purchased the script.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Airborne" <[email protected]>
    To: <[email protected]>
    Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 1:44 PM
    Subject: Re: Receipt for your Payment


    I am sorry but your script is not what I expected it to be. I am requesting that you return my money to my account. Please let me
    know ASAP if you will do this without me having to file a complaint with PayPal.

    Thanks


    This is his response to the above E-mail.


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Dave Lewis" <[email protected]>
    To: "Airborne" <[email protected]>
    Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 1:23 PM
    Subject: Re: Receipt for your Payment


    Complaint?? I dont need your sale BUT....
    Since youve already seen the script and over 300 people in this industry own
    it
    ( not one complaint ) I could not give you your money back.
    There is NOTHING wrong with the script nor is there any misrepresentation
    whatsoever.
    The script works perfect and several hundred companies use it as we speak.
    You can file the complaint because I have done nothing wrong in 5 years on
    the net.
    The script is worth far more than what you paid and competitors sell it for
    up to $600.00
    You even got complete instructions plus it makes web pages just like it says
    exactly.
    You are the FIRST person to complain but not the first to make threats on
    the internet.
    Ask yourself this... if you sold me a script worth thousands of dollars (
    for only $89.95 )
    would you give me a refund if it worked for every other client on the
    planet??

    Dave Lewis

    P.S. I will save a copy of this reply with all headers to send to PayPal if
    needed.
    I will take my chances and honesty should still mean something.
    I never mentioned any guarentee on my site either and you bought a working
    script
    that has been tested daily with NO complaints.



    This is my response to the above E-mail.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Airborne" <[email protected]>
    To: "Dave Lewis" <[email protected]>
    Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 2:31 PM
    Subject: Re: Receipt for your Payment


    I did not say that anything is wrong with your script. It is not what I expected it to be. It makes doorway pages. I do not need
    a script that makes doorway pages. I have software for that. I was expecting something other than what the script actually does.
    Once again I am requesting a refund of my money to my account.

    Thanks


    This is his response to the above E-mail.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Dave Lewis" <[email protected]>
    To: "Airborne" <[email protected]>
    Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 2:00 PM
    Subject: Re: Receipt for your Payment


    Look... if you bought the script from
    http://www.startingsearch.com/scripts/
    Then you know damn well it makes web pages, doorway pages, gateway pages,
    and whatever else people call them.
    I just read my whole site and anyone who can read and comprehend
    english knows it makes web pages.
    You control the templates so thats not anything to do with me.
    The script does EXACTLY what I say and I even show 24 included templates
    AND their is a disclaimer saying if the script works.. you get NO refund.
    What did you think you were getting... turtle wax :o)
    Look... sell it to someone if you want but you dont deserve your money back
    if you cant read. That has nothing to do with me or my business.
    You are wasting my time now and I dont think that is fair.

    Dave


    This is my response to his above E-mail.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Airborne" <[email protected]>
    To: "Dave Lewis" <[email protected]>
    Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 3:37 PM
    Subject: Re: Receipt for your Payment


    I have a degree, so yes I can read. No where on your page does it say anything about this script makes doorway pages. I have
    several software programs that make doorway pages. If I thought that it simply made doorway pages, I certainly would never have
    purchased it.

    I have been a Webmaster for several years and I have purchased several thousands of dollars worth of script and software. Several
    times I have not been happy with my purchases and I have never been denied a refund. You are the first discourteous, unprofessional
    person that I have encountered. It was very cute of you to put up the disclaimer after I have asked for a refund.

    I will ask one more time for you to refund my money to my account. If you do not I will proceed with a complaint to PayPal as well
    as with my credit card provider.

    Thanks


    This is his response to the above E-mail.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Dave Lewis" <[email protected]>
    To: "Airborne" <[email protected]>
    Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 12:01 PM
    Subject: Re: Receipt for your Payment


    I dont care what you do. Stop contacting me. Give it to the Pope for all I
    care. The script works and you dont get a refund. I dont care if I never
    sell another script. I know it works and I know that its obvious that its a
    web page maker no matter what you want to call it :o)

    P.S. You were not polite either.. you threatened me with the very first
    email and it isnt my fault you dont know what a web page generator is. Every
    other webmaster does so dont waste any more of my time. I have never known a
    webmaster as dumb as you say you are. It's your story so tell it how you
    want. I have work to do.

    Dave

    This is a copy of the last E-mail from Dave Lewis when he learned that my CC holder is investigating.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Dave Lewis
    To: [email protected]
    Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:54 AM
    Subject: Never


    You dumb lying pathetic bitch...... I told you I will never pay you a dime. If paypal does..... thats their problem.
    I never will pay a liar and you are worse than a bomber in isreal you psychotic bitch.
    I dont negotiate with cheap lying pathetic losers ever.



    This is a post I made from another thread about his script.

    "I bought it. Don't like it. It makes doorway pages. I thought it was something different. I asked politely for the Webmaster to return my money to my account. He got shitty and refused to do it. He has a disclaimer on his page, which I really think, he put up after I asked for my money back. I did not even test it for speed and efficiency, as I already have software that will make doorway pages. The templates and keywords have to be heavily modified to be worth anything as doorway pages.

    He told me that the script is really worth thousands instead of $89.95. It was purchased through PayPal so even though I filed a complaint, because it is PayPal, I don't expect to get my money back.

    I won't knock the script (as I did not test it) so if one wants to put in the time, it may make doorway pages, efficiently. You have to download and install Perl."



    The way I read these E-mail exchanges is: You (Dave Lewis) have given me permission to do with the script as I see fit, so I assume that you will not have a problem with me providing the script to whom ever E-mails me and asks for a copy of the script.

    Am I correct in this assumption?
    Last edited by Pathfinder; 04-23-2002, 10:10 AM.
  • 12clicks
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Jan 2001
    • 19813

    #2
    if you didn't think it was for doorway pages, what *DID* you think the script is for?

    just out of curiosity
    I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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    • ^R3K^
      Confirmed User
      • Sep 2001
      • 2815

      #3
      Originally posted by 12clicks
      if you didn't think it was for doorway pages, what *DID* you think the script is for?

      just out of curiosity
      He thought it would make sandwiches for him.
      no business like ho business

      Http://www.natnet.com
      No Hype, Just Results

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      • Pathfinder
        theking of trailer parks
        • Sep 2001
        • 2290

        #4
        12clicks:

        It was the AM when I purchased the script and at that point I had been awake and working at the computer for close to 24 hours. To me (at the time) the explanation of what the script does was not completely clear. I thought that it may make actual pages of links (like a link site) with alot of pages of links. His site still does not clearly identify the script for what it actually does. I did not see any disclaimer at the time of the purchase.

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        • Tipsy
          Confirmed User
          • Jul 2001
          • 6989

          #5
          Is there a script that makes sandwiches?!?!?!? If so I want a copy! I'll give a saggy old cloth cat for a copy
          Ignorance is never bliss.

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          • 12clicks
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Jan 2001
            • 19813

            #6
            Pathfinder, I think you might have been a little too demanding in your emails (just my opinion here) but I think "Please let me
            know ASAP if you will do this without me having to file a complaint with PayPal"
            is a bit strong. After all, the guy didn't do anything wrong to you but you're assuming you'll need to file a complaint.

            you might have handled that a little better.
            I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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            • eroswebmaster
              March 1st, 2003
              • Jul 2001
              • 20295

              #7
              Originally posted by Pathfinder

              I asked politely for the Webmaster to return my money to my account.
              I'm sorry but you did not ask "politely," you threatened to make a complaint with paypal. In my opinion this was not a good way to start off the process.

              I have been selling at eBay using systems like paypal and Billpoint for a number of years now and this would have set me off as well...even though I would probably have still returned your money...that's just the way I run my business.

              However with that in mind we are speaking of a different kind of business, this person is selling software. I dare you to go to Best Buy buy any software package and return it telling them it wasn't what you expected.

              You will not be able to return it because 99.9% of stores return policies are that once the package is opened you can only return it for the same product if the original is found to be defective.

              This keeps people from being able to purchase what they wish, burn a copy of it and then getting their money back essentially stealing it.

              How is this software owner supposed to know that you aren't using his product after he returns the money? He doesn't.

              I rule in favor of the defendant
              Last edited by eroswebmaster; 04-23-2002, 10:45 AM.
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              • Pathfinder
                theking of trailer parks
                • Sep 2001
                • 2290

                #8
                12clicks and eroswebmaster:

                While I do not personally think that ""Please let me
                know ASAP if you will do this without me having to file a complaint with PayPal." is an inpolite statement it may have been imprudent.

                eroswebmaster:

                I have purchased several thousands of dollars worth of software and script over the past few years. There has been a half dozen times or so that I have not been pleased with the software/script and have asked for a refund. Dave Lewis was the first one to deny me a refund. Since him I have been denied by one other. Some of the software/script providers provide for a thirty day money back gaurantee, but even some of those that don't will still refund your money just to maintain good customer relations.

                By the way I have probably returned thirty-forty items to stores over my lifetime simply because I didn't like the product and I have never been denied a refund.
                Last edited by Pathfinder; 04-23-2002, 11:12 AM.

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                • linkrotator
                  Confirmed User
                  • Apr 2002
                  • 141

                  #9
                  Pathfinder..... you are still a pathetic loser who bought a script, saw the source code and then wanted your money back even though there is a disclaimer on the page.

                  You have nothing better to do than talk about me and you even name a topic after me... how sweet.

                  You are still worthless and all your whining will do nothing but waste your time.

                  Enjoy loser.

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                  • linkrotator
                    Confirmed User
                    • Apr 2002
                    • 141

                    #10
                    I have only had one complaint filed for my script in 8 months of selling it and thats a damn good track record so quit your whining you fuckin baby. How old are you people anyways... damn

                    Business is business and if I dont want to give a refund, I dont have to.

                    I have a perfect record with PayPal and one dumb bitch wants to tell the whole world because she didnt get her way like a little bitch.

                    I will NEVER refund the money because I am right no matter what the fuck anyone does EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                    • 12clicks
                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                      • Jan 2001
                      • 19813

                      #11
                      Originally posted by linkrotator
                      I have only had one complaint filed for my script in 8 months of selling it and thats a damn good track record so quit your whining you fuckin baby. How old are you people anyways... damn

                      Business is business and if I dont want to give a refund, I dont have to.

                      I have a perfect record with PayPal and one dumb bitch wants to tell the whole world because she didnt get her way like a little bitch.

                      I will NEVER refund the money because I am right no matter what the fuck anyone does EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                      yikes, someone get the net!

                      dude, shut up. you sound like an ass. I'm pretty sure we were siding with you on this one.
                      until now anyway.
                      I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                      • mule
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jan 2002
                        • 6085

                        #12
                        Linkrotator, if anyone's pathetic, it's you.
                        You come onto a board where people know each other with the sole intent of spamming your product. Consider it as something similar to walking into the lounge of some house where people get together to chat, and yelling: "I made this cool thing, anyone wanna buy it", while actually breaking a rule that's posted on the front door. You think you're god's gift to adult webmasterdom, and resort to slander when people aren't that impressed.
                        You suck.
                        Converting like a mofo

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                        • linkrotator
                          Confirmed User
                          • Apr 2002
                          • 141

                          #13
                          12clicks....... thanks for sticking up for me. I fuckin deserve some damn respect and you have mine.

                          Its about time someone saw it from my point of view... damn!

                          I never intentionally tried to hurt anyone and this person is going out of their way to hurt my reputation.

                          This person even named a topic after me... imagine if someone did that to you. How would you feel.

                          It doesnt matter what Pathfinder does...... I will NEVER give a refund because it is a disclaimer on my site.

                          Pathfinder saw my source code and knew it was a damn doorway page maker. How dumb can Pathfinder be if NO other webmaster in 8 months was confused?????

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                          • linkrotator
                            Confirmed User
                            • Apr 2002
                            • 141

                            #14
                            Look... if you people dont like the script...... all you have to do is move on. Why the hell do you keep bringing up the shit and starting topics on the motherfucker. Are you that bored.

                            I come back from lunch to see if there are any legitimate questions and I get more immature bullshit.

                            It takes 61 people to tell me my script sucks????????????

                            This is why most real successful business people tell me to stay away from messageboards. Its a waste of time.

                            I will not let any of you change the way I do business.

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                            • mule
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jan 2002
                              • 6085

                              #15
                              I didn't say your script sucks, I'm saying you suck
                              Converting like a mofo

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