APIC is threatening ME!? - GoFuckYourself.com

Lensman · 04-22-2002, 05:58 PM

They send me urls of galleries that AP banners are on and say the images are owned by a list of copyright holders, when I ask for for at least one specific image owned by one specific copyright, so we can contact the webmaster, they give me this shit:

Quote:

How about these????

Or how about you deal directly with their attorneys???

You're suppose to be some bigshot out there aren't you?

How about I make this stupid charade public??

And send the same list of galleries

So guess what? I made this stupid charade public

ServerGenius · 04-22-2002, 06:01 PM

HAHAHA Way to go Lens! Fucking lame email that they send you btw!

DynaMite

MikeyBoy · 04-22-2002, 06:03 PM

I fucking hate APIC
cant get them off my neck ever since I started

let-spider-the-usenet-for-imgs.com

Kimmykim · 04-22-2002, 06:04 PM

What do the thieves having your banners on their pages have to do with anything?

Of course I guess a case could be made for DMCA that since you are the one processing their traffic, you are liable...

Never really thought about it that way tho.

[Labret] · 04-22-2002, 06:06 PM

APIC are little bitches.

Lensman · 04-22-2002, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
What do the thieves having your banners on their pages have to do with anything?

Of course I guess a case could be made for DMCA that since you are the one processing their traffic, you are liable...

Never really thought about it that way tho.

Yes, it's weak at best, but we want to help. But why do they make it so HARD TO HELP them?

FATPad · 04-22-2002, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lensman

Yes, it's weak at best, but we want to help. But why do they make it so HARD TO HELP them?

Because you're not letting them prove to the world that they're forcing you to help them.

Techie Media · 04-22-2002, 06:12 PM

Lensman, I'am pretty tight with everyone at APIC, if you need a hand getting in touch with them or anything else, give me a call, I'll bail you out...

There really not so bad if you know them.

xApster · 04-22-2002, 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by Lightning
Lensman, I'am pretty tight with everyone at APIC, if you need a hand getting in touch with them or anything else, give me a call, I'll bail you out... There really not so bad if you know them.

they have taken him over...

Techie Media · 04-22-2002, 06:24 PM

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Originally posted by xApster

they have taken him over...

HAHAHAHAHA nahhh, but I do work with them on copyright issues that arise on my hosting. They are also human and they do make mistakes.
Lensman, I don't want to talk anymore about apic here, so if you need any assistance, you know where to find me.

LoveAsianChicks · 04-22-2002, 06:24 PM

APIC sounds like a bunch of faggots.
If they claim your ads on a page with copyright material they should provide you with the info you requested.

Tell them to provide you with straight answers or FUCK OFF!
How dare they dick around when you reply.

pr0 · 04-22-2002, 06:26 PM

they sound like abunch of lawyers trying to make a buck

god bless america

Lensman · 04-22-2002, 06:28 PM

APIC! This is all we want.

URL of alleged stolen image:
URL of page where image appears with AmateurPages banner:

NAME of copyright holder:
URL of copyright holder image page (if applicable):

Then we will notify the affiliate to produce a license or remove the images or they will be terminated from the program without payment.

Is that too difficult?

vidsweb · 04-22-2002, 06:32 PM

Tell them to act professional.

Why are they being so confrontational?

Dumbasses have obviously not learned how to work with other humans.

12clicks · 04-22-2002, 06:55 PM

I recieved a similar email from some lawyer joker just this morning. I politely told them to we didn't own the site and had no control over the content. I then told them to hire someone with an understanding of the internet so as not to look like an ass in the future.

they thanked me for my prompt reply.

hehe, the threatening to go public with you is SOOOOOOOO funny.
why can't I get someone that stupid anymore?

vegasdude · 04-22-2002, 07:01 PM

APIC LAYWERS = FAILED TO PASS THE LAWSCHOOL AT LEAST 5 TIMES BEFORE SUCCESS

UnseenWorld · 04-22-2002, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LoveAsianChicks
APIC sounds like a bunch of faggots.
If they claim your ads on a page with copyright material they should provide you with the info you requested.

Tell them to provide you with straight answers or FUCK OFF!
How dare they dick around when you reply.

I don't like the way they're handling this, but really I think the burden has to be on the person USING the pictures. Lens should tell APIC "I'll withhold payment until this is settled." That should get the guy off his ass, and then once the guy realizes his $ is at stake, he'll shit in his pants and either produce his license or take the gallery down.

hyper · 04-22-2002, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lensman
APIC! This is all we want.

URL of alleged stolen image:
URL of page where image appears with AmateurPages banner:

NAME of copyright holder:
URL of copyright holder image page (if applicable):

Then we will notify the affiliate to produce a license or remove the images or they will be terminated from the program without payment.

Is that too difficult?

Sounds like a standard request within your legal rights.

12clicks · 04-22-2002, 07:06 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld

Lens should tell APIC "I'll withhold payment until this is settled."

no, Lens should reply,"see you in court half wit"

Lexxx · 04-22-2002, 07:16 PM

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Originally posted by hyper

Sounds like a standard request within your legal rights.

I'd do the same...

Lensman · 04-22-2002, 07:19 PM

It get's funnier, my last email exchange:
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"I never copied Likewhoa in that notice. It came down instantly."

Stay off the cough medicine

From your emails below:

To: Ampages; [email protected]; [email protected]

-----Original Message-----
From: Apic-Worldwide [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 10:26 PM
To: Lensman
Cc: Chris Bolton
Subject: Re: 5363 likewhoa

interesting.
So I guess you guys control the freehosting sites too?
I never copied Likewhoa in that notice. It came down instantly.

AMATEURPAGES is behind all of these scams.

----- Original Message -----
From: Lensman
To: Apic-Worldwide
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 6:49 PM
Subject: RE: 5363 likewhoa

Page is 404.

-----Original Message-----
From: Apic-Worldwide [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 9:57 PM
To: Lensman
Cc: Chris Bolton
Subject: Re: 5363 likewhoa

Andi Sue Irwin
PENTHOUSE
http://exotic.adults-house.com/buttt...3/mixo-353.jpg

Chris Bolton,
Please be advised that AMATEURPAGES who supports approximately 50% of the theft of copyrights, refuses to co-operate.
This person LENSMAN, obviously considers himself a photographer also, is listed as the contact. All contacts have failed to act accordingly

APIC

----- Original Message -----
From: Lensman
To: Apic-Worldwide
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 5:39 PM
Subject: RE: 5363 likewhoa

Give us at least one specific image location owned by each of your clients, and we will serve the affiliate with a cease and desist notice.
-----Original Message-----
From: Apic-Worldwide [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 9:16 AM
To: Ampages; [email protected]; [email protected]
Cc: SGold; ALS Legal; JS Hicks; Jan Vels; Bill Schwanke; APIC; D Defrancesco; IMCO
Subject: 5363 likewhoa

NOTICE of COPYRIGHT-TRADEMARK, or RIGHT of PUBLICITY INFRINGEMENT

APIC - WORLDWIDE

3325 Griffin Road

Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33312

(954) 983-7312

Our association, the Association for the Protection of Internet Copyright ("APIC") (<http://www.apic-worldwide.com>), an Internet organization dedicated to the continued education of copyright law and enforcement of such law on behalf of our members, has been notified by one of our members, that a web site, is infringing upon our member's intellectual property rights. This site is hosted by your organization . APIC is an authorized agent, and has a good faith belief that the copyrighted work described in the paragraph below is being used in manner that is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent(s) or the law.

Anyone profitting from theft of property can be held liable under the RICO Act.

http://www.avnonline.com/issues/2002...102_lead.shtml

Sponsored by AMATEURPAGES

Date: April 22, 2002

To:

Bulygo, Stan [email protected]
1122 Coney Island Ave
#213
Brooklyn, NY 11230
US
718-421-7835

/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Infringing URLs:

http://exotic.adults-house.com/buttt...xo3/mixo31.htm

through

http://exotic.adults-house.com/buttt...o3/mixo330.htm

30 pages of stolen images

(c) Denys Defrancesco

Suze Randall

Jan Vels

J Stephen Hicks

Alsscan

Steve Easton

Bill Schwanke

Scarlett Media

IMCO Bookpress

/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Infringing the Intellectual Property of others is against the state and federal laws of the United States as well as many other international countries. Such infringement may provide for substantial financial penalties and / or potential criminal prosecution. Please immediately: a) remove the referenced material from your Online Service Provider, b) provide APIC with written or electronic confirmation of its removal, and c) take other appropriate action against " " to prevent future infringement.

Pursuant to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (<http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/legislation/dmca.pdf>), this letter serves as actual notice of infringement in the event of legal proceedings.

Mr. Callahan is the director of APIC-Worldwide, NOT an attorney. On behalf of the owner of the exclusive right to the material at issue in this notice, I hereby state that I have a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the owner, its agent, or the law. I hereby state, under penalty of perjury under the laws of the United States, that the information in this notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that the complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is being infringed as set out in this notification.

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APIC WORLDWIDE, (the Association for the Protection of Internet Copyright), is a non-profit membership organization dedicated to the continued education of Internet copyright law and enforcement of such law through the co-operation of international, domestic, federal, state, and local statutes, laws, and ordinances. Additional information can be found at:

http://www.apic-worldwide.com

http://www.whatiscopyright.org

Berne Treaty

http://www.law.cornell.edu/treaties/berne/overview.html

USC 18-2257

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2257.html

INTEGRITY OF COPYRIGHT MANAGEMENT INFORMATION

Article 12 of the WCT provides adequate and effective legal remedies against any person knowingly performing any of the following acts knowing, or with respect to civil remedies having reasonable grounds to know, that it will induce, enable, facilitate or conceal an infringement of any right covered by this Treaty or the Berne Convention: (i) to remove or alter any electronic rights management information without authority; (ii) to distribute, import for distribution, broadcast or communicate to the public, without authority, works or copies of works knowing that electronic rights management information has been removed or altered without authority. In addition, it is a criminal offense to violate section 1201 or 1202 willfully and for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain. Under section 1204 penalties range up to a $500,000 fine or up to five years imprisonment for a first offense, and up to a $1,000,000 fine or up to 10 years imprisonment for subsequent offenses. Nonprofit libraries, archives and educational institutions are entirely exempted from criminal liability. (Section 1204 (b)). For additional information on THE DIGITAL MILLENNIUM COPYRIGHT ACT OF 1998 visit:

http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/legislation/dmca.pdf

Kimmykim · 04-22-2002, 07:26 PM

What's LikeWhoa got to do with it?

Lensman · 04-22-2002, 07:27 PM

They're part of my secret plot.

Brujah · 04-22-2002, 07:30 PM

Wow.. Steve went on record in public stating that AmateurPages supports 50% of all copyright theft ?

SleazyDream · 04-22-2002, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lensman

Yes, it's weak at best, but we want to help. But why do they make it so HARD TO HELP them?

The caped crusader often leaps before he looks. Throw him a bone and he'll act like a pit bull FOR you instead of against you. MUCH EASIER - as time is money.

AaronM · 04-22-2002, 07:35 PM

I am pretty sure you have at least one attorney. Have him handle this shit, that is what you pay them for. Or, a few of the BP4L crew could take a trip to FL and straighten this matter out for you.

UnseenWorld · 04-22-2002, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lensman
APIC! This is all we want.

URL of alleged stolen image:
URL of page where image appears with AmateurPages banner:

NAME of copyright holder:
URL of copyright holder image page (if applicable):

Then we will notify the affiliate to produce a license or remove the images or they will be terminated from the program without payment.

Is that too difficult?

Actually, I think it is.

All you really need is the URL of the page and a typical photo (assuming it's a set). Then ask your affiliate to FAX a copy of his license to APIC and you. You don't really need to know the actual copyright holder's name, since your affiliate should already have that, if he's legal.

AaronM · 04-22-2002, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah
Wow.. Steve went on record in public stating that AmateurPages supports 50% of all copyright theft ?

Can you say "Slander" and "Defamation of Character"?

12clicks · 04-22-2002, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah
Wow.. Steve went on record in public stating that AmateurPages supports 50% of all copyright theft ?

I'd make him prove that in court. Of coursae, I have more time on my hands than lens.

Mr.Fiction · 04-22-2002, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by UnseenWorld

"I'll withhold payment until this is settled."

Bullshit. You couldn't have your employer withhold your salary from you at your job just because some third party complains that you're wearing his stolen shoes. Withholding your pay for a third party takes a court order.

Sorry for the bad analogy, but holding payment because of some random third party complaint, without proof, is bullshit.

If they have proof that this person is stealing content, then I'm all for cancelling the account and kicking some ass.

Lensman · 04-22-2002, 07:46 PM

BTW, APIC knows about this thread, but refuses to answer in public.

quiet · 04-22-2002, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]
APIC are little bitches.

no shit. we produce our own content, exclusive only, and deal with copyright infringement on a weekly basis. i will never use those cocksuckers to protect anything of ours. look at the accusations they are throwing around now. too funny.

'apic will save our industry' - lol.

Lexxx · 04-22-2002, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM
I am pretty sure you have at least one attorney. Have him handle this shit, that is what you pay them for. Or, a few of the BP4L crew could take a trip to FL and straighten this matter out for you.

That'll work.

UnseenWorld · 04-22-2002, 07:50 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

Bullshit. You couldn't have your employer withhold your salary from you at your job just because some third party complains that you're wearing his stolen shoes. Withholding your pay for a third party takes a court order.

Sorry for the bad analogy, but holding payment because of some random third party complaint, without proof, is bullshit.

If they have proof that this person is stealing content, then I'm all for cancelling the account and kicking some ass. [/QUOTE

Think about it: If using stolen images is against the program's rules, then if Lens has already paid out, what's he supposed to do: go hat in hand and beg for his money back, as you seem to want him to do?

This way, the money isn't lost if the photos are legal, and how fucking long does it take to send a FAX, anyway?

UnseenWorld · 04-22-2002, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet

no shit. we produce our own content, exclusive only, and deal with copyright infringement on a weekly basis. i will never use those cocksuckers to protect anything of ours. look at the accusations they are throwing around now. too funny.

'apic will save our industry' - lol.

They are losing potential members. I've been thinking about joining them, but if this is how they handle things, they look like a bunch of clowns.

AaronM · 04-22-2002, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lensman
BTW, APIC knows about this thread, but refuses to answer in public.

Too bad. It would make for a damn fine thread to see them get thrashed around here. Normally I would support their efforts at least but this seems pretty cut and dry and it does not look good on them.

hehehe Hey Lens, would it be a violation of copyright for me to copy and paste your post to a few other boards?

AaronM · 04-22-2002, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by UnseenWorld

They are losing potential members. I've been thinking about joining them, but if this is how they handle things, they look like a bunch of clowns.

How dare you base your decision on who to do business with because of their looks. If that is how everybody felt then you would never get any sales.

Lensman · 04-22-2002, 07:58 PM

Go for it Aaron

jimmyf · 04-22-2002, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lensman
They're part of my secret plot.

Tell'em you use NutScape 4.7x....

And you can't see any pic's..

The page come's up as blank white...
except it has the free host banners is all.

AaronM · 04-22-2002, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lensman
Go for it Aaron

You sure? Your not trying to trick me so you can send APIC my way are you?

payrollpete · 04-22-2002, 08:08 PM

apic is a good service for content suppliers, it protects them and makes sure this business stays as clean as it can.

however, as much as i am all for apic, they are handling this situation extremely bad. i don't think holding lensman responsible is the proper way to go about this. they are way off line on that.

you know...i think someone is preassureing apic to come down on lensman for some reason, maybe jealousy, who knows...

so come on apic, let's clear this up, you guys r good, lensman is good, work out something with out yellin at each other

bash · 04-22-2002, 08:08 PM

APIC is gay.

Wiredoctor · 04-22-2002, 08:11 PM

Lensman, you need to teach this APIC dude, that he cant go around like this with unwarrented bull shit claims against people.

quiet · 04-22-2002, 08:12 PM

you think:

Quote:

Originally posted by payrollpete
you know...i think someone is preassureing apic to come down on lensman for some reason, maybe jealousy, who knows...

and yet you still think:

Quote:

apic is a good service

Tukhman · 04-22-2002, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lensman
They're part of my secret plot.

Lens,
I asked you not to go public with the secret plan.... C'mon

;-)))))))

Lightning · 04-22-2002, 08:18 PM

Lensman you know you can sue APIC for that slander that he wrote about you supporting 50% of internet infringement, LOL, He carbon copied it to alof of people so its definetly slander, you have a good case.

He has no way to prove his statement, it's plain bull shit..

Brujah · 04-22-2002, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by payrollpete
apic is a good service for content suppliers, it protects them and makes sure this business stays as clean as it can.

however, as much as i am all for apic, they are handling this situation extremely bad. i don't think holding lensman responsible is the proper way to go about this. they are way off line on that.

you know...i think someone is preassureing apic to come down on lensman for some reason, maybe jealousy, who knows...

so come on apic, let's clear this up, you guys r good, lensman is good, work out something with out yellin at each other

An agency who provides a service for content providers is a good idea. APIC is not that good service.

This is not the only situation that they handle bad. They have used the same tactics for numerous years. Good guys ? More like a vigilante.

I bet they don't care if Lensman is straight-up or not. They are likely more pissed off that Lensman won't just do what they say and terminate everyone they finger. Shoot First, Question later.

vidsweb · 04-22-2002, 08:29 PM

Sue their asses for slander and defamation of character.

Fuck them up good.

Teach them a lesson on how they should properly go about dealing with a situation in the future.

payrollpete · 04-22-2002, 08:29 PM

brujah,

good point.

maybe they think they are dealing with a small timer and do not understand exactly the accusions they are making.

AaronM · 04-22-2002, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by askmomma
Lensman you know you can sue APIC for that slander that he wrote about you supporting 50% of internet infringement, LOL, He carbon copied it to alof of people so its definetly slander, you have a good case.

He has no way to prove his statement, it's plain bull shit..

Gee, I wish I would have mentioned that first.

Anyway.... How am I doing so far in my quest to spread the word?

http://bbs.porncity.net/showthread.p...threadid=32224

http://www.adultwebmasterworld.com/b...hp?p=4606#4606

http://boards.avsbiz.com/chat/ultima...c;f=1;t=000022

Name not allowed to be mentioned here

http://www.pornxxxxxxx.com/openbb/read.php?TID=1657

http://www.videosboard.com/showthrea...&threadid=1023

http://village.xbiz.com/showthread.p...&threadid=4813

http://bbs.underwearlounge.com/viewtopic.php?p=51#51

04-22-2002, 06:12 PM	#8
Techie Media Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 3,092	Lensman, I'am pretty tight with everyone at APIC, if you need a hand getting in touch with them or anything else, give me a call, I'll bail you out... There really not so bad if you know them. __________________ sales [AT] techiemedia.com Last edited by Techie Media; 04-22-2002 at 06:14 PM..

04-22-2002, 06:24 PM	#11
LoveAsianChicks Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: -CANADA- Posts: 1,464	APIC sounds like a bunch of faggots. If they claim your ads on a page with copyright material they should provide you with the info you requested. Tell them to provide you with straight answers or FUCK OFF! How dare they dick around when you reply. Last edited by LoveAsianChicks; 04-22-2002 at 06:27 PM..

04-22-2002, 06:55 PM	#15
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,789	I recieved a similar email from some lawyer joker just this morning. I politely told them to we didn't own the site and had no control over the content. I then told them to hire someone with an understanding of the internet so as not to look like an ass in the future. they thanked me for my prompt reply. hehe, the threatening to go public with you is SOOOOOOOO funny. why can't I get someone that stupid anymore? __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

04-22-2002, 07:01 PM	#16
vegasdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Royal Family Crew Posts: 3,649	APIC LAYWERS = FAILED TO PASS THE LAWSCHOOL AT LEAST 5 TIMES BEFORE SUCCESS __________________ Did you fucking talk to me??! Who the fuck told you to talk to me??!"

04-22-2002, 07:30 PM	#24
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04-22-2002, 06:01 PM	#2
ServerGenius Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 9,377	HAHAHA Way to go Lens! Fucking lame email that they send you btw! DynaMite __________________ \| http://www.sinnerscash.com/ \| ICQ: 370820 \| Skype: SinnersCash \| AdultWhosWho \|

04-22-2002, 06:03 PM	#3
MikeyBoy Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 537	I fucking hate APIC cant get them off my neck ever since I started let-spider-the-usenet-for-imgs.com

04-22-2002, 06:04 PM	#4
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	What do the thieves having your banners on their pages have to do with anything? Of course I guess a case could be made for DMCA that since you are the one processing their traffic, you are liable... Never really thought about it that way tho.

04-22-2002, 06:06 PM	#5
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	APIC are little bitches.

04-22-2002, 06:26 PM	#12
pr0 rockin tha trailerpark Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: ~Coastal~ Posts: 23,088	they sound like abunch of lawyers trying to make a buck god bless america

04-22-2002, 06:28 PM	#13
Lensman GFY Chaperone Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Adult.com Posts: 9,846	APIC! This is all we want. URL of alleged stolen image: URL of page where image appears with AmateurPages banner: NAME of copyright holder: URL of copyright holder image page (if applicable): Then we will notify the affiliate to produce a license or remove the images or they will be terminated from the program without payment. Is that too difficult?

04-22-2002, 06:32 PM	#14
vidsweb Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pornland Posts: 698	Tell them to act professional. Why are they being so confrontational? Dumbasses have obviously not learned how to work with other humans.

04-22-2002, 07:19 PM	#21
Lensman GFY Chaperone Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Adult.com Posts: 9,846	It get's funnier, my last email exchange: -------------------------------------------------- "I never copied Likewhoa in that notice. It came down instantly." Stay off the cough medicine From your emails below: To: Ampages; [email protected]; [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Apic-Worldwide [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 10:26 PM To: Lensman Cc: Chris Bolton Subject: Re: 5363 likewhoa interesting. So I guess you guys control the freehosting sites too? I never copied Likewhoa in that notice. It came down instantly. AMATEURPAGES is behind all of these scams. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lensman To: Apic-Worldwide Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 6:49 PM Subject: RE: 5363 likewhoa Page is 404. -----Original Message----- From: Apic-Worldwide [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 9:57 PM To: Lensman Cc: Chris Bolton Subject: Re: 5363 likewhoa Andi Sue Irwin PENTHOUSE http://exotic.adults-house.com/buttt...3/mixo-353.jpg Chris Bolton, Please be advised that AMATEURPAGES who supports approximately 50% of the theft of copyrights, refuses to co-operate. This person LENSMAN, obviously considers himself a photographer also, is listed as the contact. All contacts have failed to act accordingly APIC ----- Original Message ----- From: Lensman To: Apic-Worldwide Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 5:39 PM Subject: RE: 5363 likewhoa Give us at least one specific image location owned by each of your clients, and we will serve the affiliate with a cease and desist notice. -----Original Message----- From: Apic-Worldwide [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 9:16 AM To: Ampages; [email protected]; [email protected] Cc: SGold; ALS Legal; JS Hicks; Jan Vels; Bill Schwanke; APIC; D Defrancesco; IMCO Subject: 5363 likewhoa NOTICE of COPYRIGHT-TRADEMARK, or RIGHT of PUBLICITY INFRINGEMENT APIC - WORLDWIDE 3325 Griffin Road Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33312 (954) 983-7312 Our association, the Association for the Protection of Internet Copyright ("APIC") (<http://www.apic-worldwide.com>), an Internet organization dedicated to the continued education of copyright law and enforcement of such law on behalf of our members, has been notified by one of our members, that a web site, is infringing upon our member's intellectual property rights. This site is hosted by your organization . APIC is an authorized agent, and has a good faith belief that the copyrighted work described in the paragraph below is being used in manner that is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent(s) or the law. Anyone profitting from theft of property can be held liable under the RICO Act. http://www.avnonline.com/issues/2002...102_lead.shtml Sponsored by AMATEURPAGES Date: April 22, 2002 To: Bulygo, Stan [email protected] 1122 Coney Island Ave #213 Brooklyn, NY 11230 US 718-421-7835 ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Infringing URLs: http://exotic.adults-house.com/buttt...xo3/mixo31.htm through http://exotic.adults-house.com/buttt...o3/mixo330.htm 30 pages of stolen images (c) Denys Defrancesco Suze Randall Jan Vels J Stephen Hicks Alsscan Steve Easton Bill Schwanke Scarlett Media IMCO Bookpress ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Infringing the Intellectual Property of others is against the state and federal laws of the United States as well as many other international countries. Such infringement may provide for substantial financial penalties and / or potential criminal prosecution. Please immediately: a) remove the referenced material from your Online Service Provider, b) provide APIC with written or electronic confirmation of its removal, and c) take other appropriate action against " " to prevent future infringement. Pursuant to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (<http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/legislation/dmca.pdf>), this letter serves as actual notice of infringement in the event of legal proceedings. Mr. Callahan is the director of APIC-Worldwide, NOT an attorney. On behalf of the owner of the exclusive right to the material at issue in this notice, I hereby state that I have a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the owner, its agent, or the law. I hereby state, under penalty of perjury under the laws of the United States, that the information in this notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that the complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is being infringed as set out in this notification. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----iQA/AwUBN9/veP4FPqLzqgzREQIFMgCfWTmk2wVVtE+oyFYlaopCjtM5/PkAniaU3UDH6hkv28v6cK1VgiDSy/TV=maqC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- APIC WORLDWIDE, (the Association for the Protection of Internet Copyright), is a non-profit membership organization dedicated to the continued education of Internet copyright law and enforcement of such law through the co-operation of international, domestic, federal, state, and local statutes, laws, and ordinances. Additional information can be found at: http://www.apic-worldwide.com http://www.whatiscopyright.org Berne Treaty http://www.law.cornell.edu/treaties/berne/overview.html USC 18-2257 http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2257.html INTEGRITY OF COPYRIGHT MANAGEMENT INFORMATION Article 12 of the WCT provides adequate and effective legal remedies against any person knowingly performing any of the following acts knowing, or with respect to civil remedies having reasonable grounds to know, that it will induce, enable, facilitate or conceal an infringement of any right covered by this Treaty or the Berne Convention: (i) to remove or alter any electronic rights management information without authority; (ii) to distribute, import for distribution, broadcast or communicate to the public, without authority, works or copies of works knowing that electronic rights management information has been removed or altered without authority. In addition, it is a criminal offense to violate section 1201 or 1202 willfully and for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain. Under section 1204 penalties range up to a $500,000 fine or up to five years imprisonment for a first offense, and up to a $1,000,000 fine or up to 10 years imprisonment for subsequent offenses. Nonprofit libraries, archives and educational institutions are entirely exempted from criminal liability. (Section 1204 (b)). For additional information on THE DIGITAL MILLENNIUM COPYRIGHT ACT OF 1998 visit: http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/legislation/dmca.pdf Last edited by Lensman; 04-22-2002 at 07:20 PM..

04-22-2002, 07:26 PM	#22
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	What's LikeWhoa got to do with it?

04-22-2002, 07:27 PM	#23
Lensman GFY Chaperone Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Adult.com Posts: 9,846	They're part of my secret plot.

04-22-2002, 07:35 PM	#26
AaronM Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,909	I am pretty sure you have at least one attorney. Have him handle this shit, that is what you pay them for. Or, a few of the BP4L crew could take a trip to FL and straighten this matter out for you.

04-22-2002, 07:46 PM	#31
Lensman GFY Chaperone Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Adult.com Posts: 9,846	BTW, APIC knows about this thread, but refuses to answer in public.

04-22-2002, 07:50 PM	#34
UnseenWorld Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Portland, OR, USA Posts: 5,279	[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mr.Fiction Bullshit. You couldn't have your employer withhold your salary from you at your job just because some third party complains that you're wearing his stolen shoes. Withholding your pay for a third party takes a court order. Sorry for the bad analogy, but holding payment because of some random third party complaint, without proof, is bullshit. If they have proof that this person is stealing content, then I'm all for cancelling the account and kicking some ass. [/QUOTE Think about it: If using stolen images is against the program's rules, then if Lens has already paid out, what's he supposed to do: go hat in hand and beg for his money back, as you seem to want him to do? This way, the money isn't lost if the photos are legal, and how fucking long does it take to send a FAX, anyway? __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

04-22-2002, 07:58 PM	#38
Lensman GFY Chaperone Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Adult.com Posts: 9,846	Go for it Aaron

04-22-2002, 08:08 PM	#41
payrollpete Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,527	apic is a good service for content suppliers, it protects them and makes sure this business stays as clean as it can. however, as much as i am all for apic, they are handling this situation extremely bad. i don't think holding lensman responsible is the proper way to go about this. they are way off line on that. you know...i think someone is preassureing apic to come down on lensman for some reason, maybe jealousy, who knows... so come on apic, let's clear this up, you guys r good, lensman is good, work out something with out yellin at each other

04-22-2002, 08:08 PM	#42
bash Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 245	APIC is gay.

04-22-2002, 08:11 PM	#43
Wiredoctor Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Great USA Posts: 1,632	Lensman, you need to teach this APIC dude, that he cant go around like this with unwarrented bull shit claims against people. __________________ Search For Everything In One Easy Portal Big Juicy Nipples.com

04-22-2002, 08:18 PM	#46
Lightning Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 870	Lensman you know you can sue APIC for that slander that he wrote about you supporting 50% of internet infringement, LOL, He carbon copied it to alof of people so its definetly slander, you have a good case. He has no way to prove his statement, it's plain bull shit..

04-22-2002, 08:29 PM	#48
vidsweb Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pornland Posts: 698	Sue their asses for slander and defamation of character. Fuck them up good. Teach them a lesson on how they should properly go about dealing with a situation in the future.