MSN Pay Per Click Beta, Anyone Liking it? - GoFuckYourself.com

WiredGuy · 02-13-2006, 07:11 AM

I've been trying out the new MSN PPC SE the last 3-4 days and I have to say the quality of traffic is superb (much better than Adwords / Overture) and at only 5c / click but the editorial policies are absolutely brutal by comparison. Getting your keywords approved is much harder (and I typically have an 80% submission success ratio with Overture) and getting anything accepted into MSN is tough as hell.

I was curious how other Beta testers are finding MSN's engine?
WG

Kevsh · 02-13-2006, 07:26 AM

I've applied for a QuickLaunch account, and am waiting approval.
I'm surprised to hear their policies are so tough, I already dumped Overture for being overly strict!

sfera · 02-13-2006, 07:29 AM

i was planning on giving yahoo a shot

nekrom · 02-13-2006, 07:31 AM

I too have applied, but not being in the USA I'm not sure if i'll be accepted into their beta. It's quite interesting that you say the traffic is a great performer, but on the other hand a bummer that they are stricter than Overture. Something that I really hoped they wouldn't be, perhaps with time they will work out that being anal pisses people off.

-N

WiredGuy · 02-13-2006, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by nekrom

I too have applied, but not being in the USA I'm not sure if i'll be accepted into their beta. It's quite interesting that you say the traffic is a great performer, but on the other hand a bummer that they are stricter than Overture. Something that I really hoped they wouldn't be, perhaps with time they will work out that being anal pisses people off.

-N

The traffic quality will drop as more advertisers come in. They're rotating the ads on MSN USA 25% of the time right now. And you can get accepted into their beta as I'm Canadian and was invited a few weeks ago.
WG

Radical Seo Guy · 02-13-2006, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I've been trying out the new MSN PPC SE the last 3-4 days and I have to say the quality of traffic is superb (much better than Adwords / Overture) and at only 5c / click but the editorial policies are absolutely brutal by comparison. Getting your keywords approved is much harder (and I typically have an 80% submission success ratio with Overture) and getting anything accepted into MSN is tough as hell.

I was curious how other Beta testers are finding MSN's engine?
WG

I've generally found the quality of msn's traffic has been better than google's in organic serps! My findings anyways <",)

Verbal · 02-13-2006, 08:34 AM

Anybody nice enough to send me an invite? [email protected]

chupachups · 02-13-2006, 08:36 AM

I certainly hope its good.... Google is so big and dictating its getting annoying

fetishblog · 02-13-2006, 08:40 AM

I like MSN Search. My site is #2 for sexy girls + "sexy girls". ;) Much better traffic and about 10x more then Google even.

WiredGuy · 02-13-2006, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Verbal

Anybody nice enough to send me an invite? [email protected]

Get on the waiting list

WG

shuki · 02-13-2006, 09:12 AM

It has been kinda buggy for me. Searching for items in the account tab takes a while for me sometimes.

topbuxbrad · 02-13-2006, 09:30 AM

I have not been able to get any of our sites listed...accepted into the beta program...but every site I submit has been rejected

...was supposed to get a response back from the reviewers on what I could do to get them listed but never got a reply

WiredGuy · 02-13-2006, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by shuki

It has been kinda buggy for me. Searching for items in the account tab takes a while for me sometimes.

VERY buggy. If I do a search, sometimes the entire thing hangs and i have to reset IE to get back into my account. Can't even click back, that hangs too. No idea how they managed to crash it so bad that I have to close IE, lol.
WG

WiredGuy · 02-13-2006, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by topbuxbrad

I have not been able to get any of our sites listed...accepted into the beta program...but every site I submit has been rejected

...was supposed to get a response back from the reviewers on what I could do to get them listed but never got a reply

I get like 10% of my keywords accepted. Their reasons are extremely strict and they're even worse than overture (I never thought that was possible).
WG

topbuxbrad · 02-13-2006, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I get like 10% of my keywords accepted. Their reasons are extremely strict and they're even worse than overture (I never thought that was possible).
WG

Do you have to use seperate landing pages, every one of my listings has been rejected, not only for most of my keywords, but also "They Say" due to the content on the site?!?!

Basic_man · 02-13-2006, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Radical Seo Guy

I've generally found the quality of msn's traffic has been better than google's in organic serps! My findings anyways <",)

Ho really ? Not for me

shuki · 02-13-2006, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

VERY buggy. If I do a search, sometimes the entire thing hangs and i have to reset IE to get back into my account. Can't even click back, that hangs too. No idea how they managed to crash it so bad that I have to close IE, lol.
WG

Good it is not just me

defresto · 02-13-2006, 10:28 AM

Searching desperately for an invite for the last 2 days

So i am the next on the waiting list if anybody has a spare one and would be so nice to mail me one: defresto {*} defresto.com

Another big player wants a piece of the PPC-Pie

Interesting who will win this war.
Google guys don't care about clients and let them pay for hitbot traffic.
I have tested google adwords traffic with my behaviour-analyser and 18% were hitbots!

bigdog · 02-13-2006, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by defresto

Searching desperately for an invite for the last 2 days

So i am the next on the waiting list if anybody has a spare one and would be so nice to mail me one: defresto {*} defresto.com

Another big player wants a piece of the PPC-Pie

Interesting who will win this war.
Google guys don't care about clients and let them pay for hitbot traffic.
I have tested google adwords traffic with my behaviour-analyser and 18% were hitbots!

You think msn is going to do a much better job. I just see hitbots as part of the game, they got to be expected

Abyss_Vee · 02-13-2006, 10:36 AM

msn traffic is very good. we havnt tested their ppc yet but we're been getting more and more natural listings and its pretty good

Downtime · 02-13-2006, 10:38 AM

havent tested it out yet

MrPinks · 02-13-2006, 10:45 AM

I am beta testing Live.com but I can't get them to approve ANY adult keywords. What's the deal? No adult?

Trax · 02-13-2006, 10:46 AM

someone forgot to send me my invite

100freesexsites · 02-13-2006, 10:50 AM

Havn't given them a try yet...

BradM · 02-13-2006, 10:52 AM

There's sooooo much less traffic, but the traffic I do get converts 10x better than adwords. So all in all I am happy. Just wish I could multiply this traffic 1000 fold.

Kevsh · 02-14-2006, 12:48 PM

Finally got up and running and discovered very quickly that MSN does NOT like Firefox ... site completely breaks. Still waiting for approval on first round of keywords, but the process wasn't exactly easy or intuitive.

austinth · 02-14-2006, 01:05 PM

msn traffic has always converted better then google and yahoo.

austinth · 02-14-2006, 01:06 PM

wiredguy, you remember the good ole' days of inktomi and the positiontech submit site. man i miss those 48 hour spider visits.

Gottis · 02-14-2006, 01:26 PM

I'm #1 on several big keywords in MSN - that's great, but there's no traffic coming in. 90% gotta be using Google when searching the web. Fuck whatever figure Microsoft claims they got.

LedZep · 02-14-2006, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by austinth

wiredguy, you remember the good ole' days of inktomi and the positiontech submit site. man i miss those 48 hour spider visits.

Remember Infoseek when they spidered and listed your site immediately? Those were the days.

jay23 · 02-14-2006, 01:56 PM

Do you guys think its worth the time work with other PPC engins out side of big 3. http://searchenginewatch.com/reports...le.php/2156451 , the big 3 makes up 80%.

Jay

DigitalPimp · 02-14-2006, 02:04 PM

I thought they did not take adult ads?

WiredGuy · 02-14-2006, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradM

There's sooooo much less traffic, but the traffic I do get converts 10x better than adwords. So all in all I am happy. Just wish I could multiply this traffic 1000 fold.

Once they go public and get out of beta, it should increase by 400%. They're only displaying their ads 25% of the time in the US market right now.
WG

WiredGuy · 02-14-2006, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by austinth

wiredguy, you remember the good ole' days of inktomi and the positiontech submit site. man i miss those 48 hour spider visits.

I actually never used the priority submits, I had a way of getting into Inktomi just as fast without paying back then... you're right though, I do miss those good old days

WG

WiredGuy · 02-14-2006, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gottis

I'm #1 on several big keywords in MSN - that's great, but there's no traffic coming in. 90% gotta be using Google when searching the web. Fuck whatever figure Microsoft claims they got.

Just wait until Windows Vista hits the consumer market. I bet you anything MSN search will see a spike in traffic.
WG

WiredGuy · 02-14-2006, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jay23

Do you guys think its worth the time work with other PPC engins out side of big 3. http://searchenginewatch.com/reports...le.php/2156451 , the big 3 makes up 80%.

Jay

Oh hell yeah. The CPC rates are much lower on other engines. I use the big 3 for volume, I use the rest for higher profits.
WG

jay23 · 02-14-2006, 03:35 PM

Sine we are all on the topic of SEO, given i can go only to one show, which one should i attend

http://www.pubcon.com/ , 500 bucks
http://www.jupiterevents.com/sew/winter06/index.html 1795$$

Jay

WiredGuy · 02-14-2006, 03:42 PM

I hate to say it but the SEO seminars I've attended have never been that great. It's probably easier to attend just the exhibits and mingle with the crowd as opposed to paying the exorbant fees for the seminars. I do have a pretty strong background in SEO so I didn't find the seminars very beneficial. The networking and contacts I made were better in my opinion.
WG

jay23 · 02-14-2006, 04:07 PM

On the SEO side of things, I only know 10% what you know. so any thing is worth while ... LOL

Jay

beta-tester · 02-14-2006, 04:21 PM

Can somebody tell me where I can signup for that beta testing of MSN ads... I looked at advertising page, but there was nothing special...

Thanks.

WiredGuy · 02-14-2006, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jay23

On the SEO side of things, I only know 10% what you know. so any thing is worth while ... LOL

Jay

I learnt what I know through experimentation and SEO boards, no need to drop $2k+ on something you can acquire for free...

WG

bigdog · 02-14-2006, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Just wait until Windows Vista hits the consumer market. I bet you anything MSN search will see a spike in traffic.
WG

oohh wasn't even thinking about that, msn has a chance to be a player

nyana · 02-14-2006, 04:29 PM

uploaded my google keywords a couple months ago.. 95% got denied..... logged out and havent been back

beta-tester · 02-14-2006, 08:18 PM

so, bump for me :D

DigitalPimp · 02-14-2006, 08:20 PM

So is anyone that is using it submitting and getting adult ads approved or are you just submitting mainstream ads? I got an invitation a few months ago but never bother to sign up when I saw their content guidelines specifically prohibited adult related ads. I just ran some searches on popular porn keywords and the only adult ads I see are for that nightsurf.com site.

DigitalPimp · 02-14-2006, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beta-tester

Can somebody tell me where I can signup for that beta testing of MSN ads... I looked at advertising page, but there was nothing special...

Thanks.

Did you click on the "Advertise with Us" link at the bottom of the search results at msn.com?

wedouglas · 02-14-2006, 08:37 PM

I've yet to try it, as I am nearly 100% adult right now. Google's .01 min can't be beat though.

WiredGuy · 02-14-2006, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wedouglas

I've yet to try it, as I am nearly 100% adult right now. Google's .01 min can't be beat though.

Do you actually have any keywords being bid at 1c with Google though?
WG

Quickdraw · 02-14-2006, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DigitalPimp

So is anyone that is using it submitting and getting adult ads approved or are you just submitting mainstream ads? I got an invitation a few months ago but never bother to sign up when I saw their content guidelines specifically prohibited adult related ads. I just ran some searches on popular porn keywords and the only adult ads I see are for that nightsurf.com site.

no adult allowed

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nekrom Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Australia/Asia Posts: 921	I too have applied, but not being in the USA I'm not sure if i'll be accepted into their beta. It's quite interesting that you say the traffic is a great performer, but on the other hand a bummer that they are stricter than Overture. Something that I really hoped they wouldn't be, perhaps with time they will work out that being anal pisses people off. -N __________________ Free Traffic

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02-13-2006, 07:11 AM	#1
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,503	MSN Pay Per Click Beta, Anyone Liking it? I've been trying out the new MSN PPC SE the last 3-4 days and I have to say the quality of traffic is superb (much better than Adwords / Overture) and at only 5c / click but the editorial policies are absolutely brutal by comparison. Getting your keywords approved is much harder (and I typically have an 80% submission success ratio with Overture) and getting anything accepted into MSN is tough as hell. I was curious how other Beta testers are finding MSN's engine? WG __________________ I play with Google.

02-13-2006, 07:26 AM	#2
Kevsh Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: TO Posts: 8,619	I've applied for a QuickLaunch account, and am waiting approval. I'm surprised to hear their policies are so tough, I already dumped Overture for being overly strict!

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topbuxbrad Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: tucson Posts: 101	I have not been able to get any of our sites listed...accepted into the beta program...but every site I submit has been rejected ...was supposed to get a response back from the reviewers on what I could do to get them listed but never got a reply

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defresto Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 317	Searching desperately for an invite for the last 2 days So i am the next on the waiting list if anybody has a spare one and would be so nice to mail me one: defresto {*} defresto.com Another big player wants a piece of the PPC-Pie Interesting who will win this war. Google guys don't care about clients and let them pay for hitbot traffic. I have tested google adwords traffic with my behaviour-analyser and 18% were hitbots!

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Abyss_Vee Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,208	msn traffic is very good. we havnt tested their ppc yet but we're been getting more and more natural listings and its pretty good

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MrPinks Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: FL Posts: 1,767	I am beta testing Live.com but I can't get them to approve ANY adult keywords. What's the deal? No adult?

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BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	There's sooooo much less traffic, but the traffic I do get converts 10x better than adwords. So all in all I am happy. Just wish I could multiply this traffic 1000 fold.

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Kevsh Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: TO Posts: 8,619	Finally got up and running and discovered very quickly that MSN does NOT like Firefox ... site completely breaks. Still waiting for approval on first round of keywords, but the process wasn't exactly easy or intuitive.

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Gottis Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: VIP NO ID Posts: 1,746	I'm #1 on several big keywords in MSN - that's great, but there's no traffic coming in. 90% gotta be using Google when searching the web. Fuck whatever figure Microsoft claims they got.

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jay23 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,444	Do you guys think its worth the time work with other PPC engins out side of big 3. http://searchenginewatch.com/reports...le.php/2156451 , the big 3 makes up 80%. Jay

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DigitalPimp Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 512	I thought they did not take adult ads?

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jay23 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,444	Sine we are all on the topic of SEO, given i can go only to one show, which one should i attend http://www.pubcon.com/ , 500 bucks http://www.jupiterevents.com/sew/winter06/index.html 1795$$ Jay

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WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,503	I hate to say it but the SEO seminars I've attended have never been that great. It's probably easier to attend just the exhibits and mingle with the crowd as opposed to paying the exorbant fees for the seminars. I do have a pretty strong background in SEO so I didn't find the seminars very beneficial. The networking and contacts I made were better in my opinion. WG __________________ I play with Google.

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jay23 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,444	On the SEO side of things, I only know 10% what you know. so any thing is worth while ... LOL Jay

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nyana Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 212	uploaded my google keywords a couple months ago.. 95% got denied..... logged out and havent been back

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DigitalPimp Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 512	So is anyone that is using it submitting and getting adult ads approved or are you just submitting mainstream ads? I got an invitation a few months ago but never bother to sign up when I saw their content guidelines specifically prohibited adult related ads. I just ran some searches on popular porn keywords and the only adult ads I see are for that nightsurf.com site.

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wedouglas So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dearborn, MI Posts: 5,921	I've yet to try it, as I am nearly 100% adult right now. Google's .01 min can't be beat though.