Why are the competitive boundaries in this industry so "soft?" - GoFuckYourself.com

Cory W · 02-13-2006, 11:04 AM

Because of traffic trades? Shows and friendships? Incestuous employment?

If Cash Program A misses a payment and Cash Program B comes on the board and says ?Hey, Program A doesn?t pay, but we do! Send us traffic,? it would cause a debacle of massive proportions.

Pepsi just released a commercial whereas they crush a ?stunt can Coke? in order to save a pristine Pepsi can: And that is just competition at work.

In our industry, that commercial dynamic manifest as insinuation at best.

Just find it interesting I suppose. I am not lobbying for change.

Doctor Dre · 02-13-2006, 11:10 AM

Because we are independant on each other... traffic deals, cross sales... the competition is working together to generate revenue.

Programs are in direct competition for 80% of the market, but for the other 20%, they need allies.

Coke does not generate any sales for pepsi... but program A might send sales to program B.

sonofsam · 02-13-2006, 11:11 AM

weg cory is bald, promote epiccash

quantum-x · 02-13-2006, 11:12 AM

Correct.. there's not so much direct competition (in the top end at least.. I'm not talking tgp'ers) - and when there is, you've got a perfect site to upsell

RainGurl · 02-13-2006, 11:14 AM

i think part of the reason is that most adult companies are small. we see each other every month or so at shows, functions, etc. and communicate directly with our competitors on a daily basis. at coke/pepsi and large corporations business is less personal...they are entities rather than people.

bigdog · 02-13-2006, 11:16 AM

I don't think most companies would just keep it biz wise, they would get personal talking about each other wives, looks, and dig out those skelton's some people have in their closets.

jawanda · 02-13-2006, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RainGurl

i think part of the reason is that most adult companies are small. we see each other every month or so at shows, functions, etc. and communicate directly with our competitors on a daily basis. at coke/pepsi and large corporations business is less personal...they are entities rather than people.

i agree that's a big part of it.

StuartD · 02-13-2006, 11:20 AM

having a major convention/gathering every single month (sometimes twice a month)... and doing business so closesly as a result of them...

it's a very small industry with close relations.

So yes, soft boundaries... but when those boundaries get cross or broken... watch out.

sonofsam · 02-13-2006, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RainGurl

i think part of the reason is that most adult companies are small. we see each other every month or so at shows, functions, etc. and communicate directly with our competitors on a daily basis. at coke/pepsi and large corporations business is less personal...they are entities rather than people.

very good post

Baker Rd · 02-13-2006, 11:26 AM

keep your friends close, and your enemies closer

pornguy · 02-13-2006, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

weg cory is bald, promote epiccash

Best laugh of the morning.

Wizzo · 02-13-2006, 11:36 AM

In many of our promos we often tell people how much "you other affiliate programs hate them, call them fat, ugly, and like and how much we like them!"

Does that count?

TondaB · 02-13-2006, 12:31 PM

What about direct sales items like hosting or payment processors? Are these companies more aggresive? Do they rely on others as much as affiliate programs do and in fact have to be 'soft'?

Rui · 02-13-2006, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RainGurl

i think part of the reason is that most adult companies are small. we see each other every month or so at shows, functions, etc. and communicate directly with our competitors on a daily basis. at coke/pepsi and large corporations business is less personal...they are entities rather than people.

I actualy also think that is indeed one of the biggest reasons...

lots of small-fish try got get something to eat, and depend on bigger fishes restaurants so to say

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-13-2006, 02:46 PM

The Adult Affiliate Programs of today are pretty much for a better loss of words. Umm...

The best word is "Confused".

How so ya ask?Simple.

A flurry of 30 sites, 20 sites 10 sites what ever is just silly.
If Programs focused on Niches rather than DVD rip portal sites that bundles everything together under the hood within the members area a program would be far more succesful.

Ask the smaller folks about what operating a true nich is. They tend to be succesful and highly independent.

Like Coke and Pepsi some surfer prefer Anal over "Anal".

This lack of focus to the audience is what drives larger programs to cover the backs of other large programs creating a genuine cluster fuck for the surfer and potentially loyal subscriber.

However the numbers of sheer volume traffic are beheld as the sacred Key I do not believe it for 1 second.

No good at 35.00 per member, 25 Per member if the subscriber only sits for a week or two...

The secret is truly working a niche to maximise retention and long term subscribers. Somthing very very few programs are doing.

I will use MET ART as a primary example of success. Thier subscribers are Loyal as fuck, and have no problem renueing monthly why? Because they are heavily focused on exactly what they do and they do not need 50 sites to prove it.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-13-2006, 02:51 PM

What I am saying is that the social dogma and extensive networking of programs is rather silly and unnecessary if the programs were not reliant on one another and at the same time unfocused on thier operational niche.

Over expansion in Niches not understood in the slightest by the operators forces the "Cult Of Personality" as each of you kiss one anothers asses at every event.

Coke does not relie on Pepsi for example. Nor should they.

BradM · 02-13-2006, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

blehblehbleh

Dude you're insane, nothing you said made ANY sense in any context.

BlackCrayon · 02-13-2006, 03:02 PM

besides being in business with each other i think there is a feeling of sticking together against a greater evil..like government legislation and religious freaks.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-13-2006, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BradM

Dude you're insane, nothing you said made ANY sense in any context.

I am so hurt...
Of course it does not make sense to you.

I will translate for the simpletons.

"Large Affiliate programs are dependent on each other and therefore required to be soft on one another because they need each other to survive."

PS: Yes I am very insane, and sadly...
Brilliant, but it does not take a rocket scientist to figure this out.

BradM · 02-13-2006, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

Brilliant.

No you're a moron. Come here so I can slap you in the tits.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-13-2006, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BradM

No you're a moron. Come here so I can slap you in the tits.

You are so desperate...

Go die or chop off your head cuz you certainly are not using what god gave you.

BradM · 02-13-2006, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

You are so desperate...

Go die or chop off your head cuz you certainly are not using what god gave you.

Chase your Paxil with some Vodka, it seems to be working you tool.

sam from montreal · 02-13-2006, 03:16 PM

the boundaries of the new company like ebusiness are more porous than for the brick and mortar classic company

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-13-2006, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BradM

Chase your Paxil with some Vodka, it seems to be working you tool.

So you turn to drugs for a sense of sanity? Ehh Scratch that question.

You are a sewer of toxic trash please go de-evolve else where.
Smart people are trying to communicate.

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TondaB Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: California Posts: 3,162	What about direct sales items like hosting or payment processors? Are these companies more aggresive? Do they rely on others as much as affiliate programs do and in fact have to be 'soft'? __________________ ICQ: 61462417

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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	The Adult Affiliate Programs of today are pretty much for a better loss of words. Umm... The best word is "Confused". How so ya ask?Simple. A flurry of 30 sites, 20 sites 10 sites what ever is just silly. If Programs focused on Niches rather than DVD rip portal sites that bundles everything together under the hood within the members area a program would be far more succesful. Ask the smaller folks about what operating a true nich is. They tend to be succesful and highly independent. Like Coke and Pepsi some surfer prefer Anal over "Anal". This lack of focus to the audience is what drives larger programs to cover the backs of other large programs creating a genuine cluster fuck for the surfer and potentially loyal subscriber. However the numbers of sheer volume traffic are beheld as the sacred Key I do not believe it for 1 second. No good at 35.00 per member, 25 Per member if the subscriber only sits for a week or two... The secret is truly working a niche to maximise retention and long term subscribers. Somthing very very few programs are doing. I will use MET ART as a primary example of success. Thier subscribers are Loyal as fuck, and have no problem renueing monthly why? Because they are heavily focused on exactly what they do and they do not need 50 sites to prove it. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	What I am saying is that the social dogma and extensive networking of programs is rather silly and unnecessary if the programs were not reliant on one another and at the same time unfocused on thier operational niche. Over expansion in Niches not understood in the slightest by the operators forces the "Cult Of Personality" as each of you kiss one anothers asses at every event. Coke does not relie on Pepsi for example. Nor should they. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

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