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At Lightspeedcash, we do our very best to accomodate our affiliates. My post was to emphasize how many "simple requests" from individual affiliates can add up to "overwhelming demands" from a sponsor's point of view! Steve Lightspeed |
Crazy stuff good thread :thumbsup
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I had no idea the Mason-Dixon line extended that far around the world. |
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Why would you sign up for a program with a $500 min payout if you know it is going to take months to get there? |
Thanks for bringing some humor to the thread Steve. :) Personally I think most of the things mentioned in this thread should not even have to be requested but rather built into a program from the start. Unfortunately when many sponsors create their programs they don't seem to take the needs of the affiliates they are partnering with as serious as their own.
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so here you go ladies and gents, this thread explains how programs can afford to pay $40/signup...
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Welcome to the board DigitalPimp :)
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countless traffic leaks to a sponsors' own dvd store.
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The payout options would be based on the number of "dirty little tricks" the affiliate agreed to opt into. Some affiliates might find they make more with lower price points and less dirty little tricks - if they don't they could just make further adjustments until the right mix is found for their type of traffic. |
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on the subject of deleting sites and suddenly redirecting them - it is al the more annoying when it is a program that runs mirco-niche/fetish sites that then suddenly decide to redirect those former fetish sites to 'teen sex' or something. Talk about wasting valuable traffic.
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You want to complain about high payouts? Well most mainstream programs only pay once a month, some once every 3 months. Sure the payout might only be only $25, but 3 months for a check?
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It doesn't happen THAT often but one of my pet hates is.... programs changing ownership, and the sites magically acquiring new "marketing methods"
For example, a stale revshare program which had been around for years was sold to another well known program, who DELETED all of the FHGs, redirected all of the gallery traffic to a generic 404 page (refid was supposed to be preserved but I am still finding links that do not carry it) which pops up to 5 consoles (some with links to external, uncredited sites sites). That's 5 consoles on a formerly clean revshare site! Does a 404 page really convert better than a FHG? |
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Yea, I recently had this happen with someone. Right when I hit the $90.00 mark of my 100.00 payout the ratios went to 0:21,000 roughly... End result is = no more traffic for them... Eventually they will realize that they cant screw over the people that are making them money. Pretty simple concept to grasp. |
Pay heed to Steve Lightspeed's rant. Think about how the age of short retention people can pay you $40 or more for a $4.95 trial without somehow cheating? Be realistic and realize it is a partnership and even paying 50% of a sale is a high marketing cost.
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We are probably losing out on a mess of traffic, but the only popups (or in our case, DHTML ad) we use are to advertise our own site features. As well, it is 100% configurable by campaign_id if the Affiliate wishes to turn it on/off (without affecting how much he'll get paid!)
For example, at the moment our float-over features our Mobile service. You can clearly see it links to the join page though while keeping the affiliates' id intact On the inside of the site, we've had very minimal-to-none upsells (the few times we did it was only for complimentary products for our members like sex toys and herbal). Our only current upsell is to IwantU Live and on that note, we will soon be offering it as a new site for affiliates to promote - so everyone would earn a generous PPS $ on it :thumbsup We have paid all our affiliates since 1997. Sure there are mixups that happen once in awhile, but in the end everyone always gets paid (weekly at that!). If you haven't already, give us a shot; I think you'll be glad you did. http://affiliates.iwantu.com |
Steve's post deserves a whole book of cartons from SOS ;)
its true most of what he said tho (sadly) |
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The problem is that when a program removes a site from their program, everyone comes to GFY and other boards and says "what happened" and unfairly looks for drama. Every time a site is dropped from a program affiliates love to create drama and programs want don't want bad posts about them on boards. This isn't a dirty little trick, this is the end result of affiliates creating drama where there isn't any. Larger programs and those using Nats / MPA3 can change those links so the traffic isn't lost. Sometimes programs can't do that and the traffic is indeed lost. |
Id say the one thing that bothers me the most is having to go in every week and check every one of my ccbill sponsors in the admin area to see which one turned off rebills this week - and with over 100 of them it gets time consuming - but that list is getting smaller every week.
In response to an earlier post about NSCash - having been an affiliate ther since they opened, they have closed down at least one site that I remember - but there was emails, posts on their WM board and even an icq from their manager a good month before they did it and they even offered to help with scripts to change out the link codes to go to the girls new affiliate site with another program. As far as not understanding the process of raws/uniques and all of the inside the paysite leaks and cross-sells - it sounds like some people need to do a little studying before they sign up as an affiliate and understand what they are getting into - its all a part of the biz and has been forever - its always been your option to either live with it or not join - heck - with most of us that have been around a while we even figure in a percentage shave on our numbers before we send traffic to a program(which it looks like a lot of people are defining shave to include things like crosssells and email collections etc now) - just like we do with all of our offline businesses. |
This is an interesting read.... Good things to keep an eye out for, a bunch I have never heard of. Thanks for the post and heads up!
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Personally I would prefer to partnership with a program that offered the option for lower payouts per sale by allowing affiliates to opt out of such tactics rather than with a company with higher payouts per sale funded by their focus on the latest way to secretly monetize my traffic without me receiving credit. At the end of the day what matters most is net profit and how well you get to sleep at night. If I am given the choice between a program that did not do any of this stuff that generated 10 sales at $20 each or one that did them and generated 5 sales at $40 each, I know which one I would choose. |
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Click on the members area on paysite tours and sometimes you get a pretty much blank page saying that you are not authorized to login. But on others you are taken to a 404 page or another one without your ref code ...
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If they include their url as part of the watermark, they are only doing that to get typeins... |
u-bob for example bangbus.com watermark would be a nono but bangbus would be ok?
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.. or more specificly, what really matters is if your reff code carries through to the join page, no matter what you click on your way to get there :) |
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Or some fool could just use the same content to promote another sponsor or something...I've had people take pics of some of my black crackheads and use a whole set of pics to promote some white teen site (they're mainly russians) . There's NO WAY I'd let any of my pictures be published without the url. and I know for a fact that I'm lazy..If I could click a link and go to a site, i'd do that before I took the time to typein the domain and I type 100wpm. Plus there's all kinds of legitimate ways that you as the affiliate could lose the sale...All the person has to do is look at your gallery at work and then go home and typein the domain and as the affiliate, you're screwed right there... |
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