stormpay tells autosurf programs to fuck off - GoFuckYourself.com

rowan · 02-05-2006, 11:29 PM

Anyone else waiting for autosurf payouts via stormpay? I got in a couple of weeks before the trouble started, which means I haven't yet been paid a cent.

It's not looking too good. Many autosurfs are probably just straight ponzi schemes (with a little bit of extra revenue from advertising) which means that if their accounts are locked they cannot sign up new members. Lose your new members and you lose your neverending (cough) revenue stream...

From 12dailypro members news:

We have learned that StormPay has completed its own independent investigation, which we have learned did NOT involve any law enforcement whatsover, only their bank and themselves, and have begun arbitrarily issuing refunds. In addition they are randomly denying claims of individuals at their own discretion and threatening THEM with legal action.

We also learned that they are refunding members who have already received their upgrade payments from 12daily Pro. Thus essentially paying them twice with our money. Then on top of that they have announced they are going to seek to take additional money from us.

Not only are they now holding money paid to us as non-refundable upgrade fees, but they are also holding a great deal of funds that came to us as via other revenue streams having nothing to do with member upgrades including:

Thousands of dollars in referral commissions we earned by promoting their website.
Thousands of dollars we earned in advertising sales
Thousands of dollars we earned from other online sources
Thousands of dollars in referral commissions we earned by promoting NETIBA, owned by StormPay.
Thousands of dollars earned from advertising promotions and for convention registrations.

They are also sitting on much more money that they earned in fees from both our company and all our members, transactions which they are now saying are null based on their own internal investigation.

We also have not been contacted by any law enforcement officials and/or been informed of any investigation by anyone. StormPay has created this lie in order to cover their own trail of blackmail, deceit, and money shifting that made them unable to pay our withdrawal request.

What does this mean? THERE WAS NEVER ANY INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF OUR STORMPAY ACCOUNT. STORMPAY LIED TO IS USERS...AGAIN.

StormPay has also lied to all of its users informing them that they just discovered 12daily Pro's business model. However, their own daily records since we began using them in May of 2005, they have a detailed record of payments both received by us from members and sent to members by us. Not only did Stormpay tell us just 5 days ago that we were an excellent client and member, they blackmailed us into forcing us to chose them as our ONLY payment processor, with full knowledge our our business model.

These current actions and this 'fake' investigation are simply a means by which they can cover their own illegal acts and mishandling of their users funds. They have provided us NO PROOF of an external investigation. And no external investigators have contact us.

In addition, Stormpay has locked us from access to our account, so we don't know who is being refunded and whether or not those refunds are legitimate. We also fear that they may be laundering and syphoning funds out of our account to cover their debts to their other users who have never even been members of 12daily Pro.

StormPay President, John McConnell openly admitted to me that they do not have the funds to cover their user accounts in their bank. These actions they are taking are ALL because of this. And now they intend to try to make 12daily Pro and all of you pay for their unlawful shifting both our money and yours.

By the second, StormPay is absconding with money that we need to legitmately refund our members and operate our business. Their actions are making it very unlikely that everyone will get the refunds they are due.

We have been advised that it may be possible to take legal action that will force them to cease and desist in dispursement of our funds until a REAL independent investigation is conducted. Other autosurfs are also in discussion of a class action law-suit against the company, who has a long negative history with the BBB.

Many supportive members on the forum asked us if there is any way you can all help us recover our funds from Stormpay via legal action. Requests were made that we make available the ability for members to donate to a legal fund for this purpose. Over 200 members have already donated. If you would like to assist us in our efforts to recover 12daily Pro funds from Stormpay, you can send a donation electronically via EMO with the following payment details:

Account Name: 12dp Stormpay Recovery Legal Fund
Account Email: [email protected]

OR you can send to our mailing address: LifeClicks LLC
8116 South Tryon St.
Suite B3, #15
Charlotte, NC 28273

If we are able to pool enough funds for this legal action, we will not have to utilize company funds that are needed to provide refunds as we are able. As it is the staff has been cut to 1, myself, in order to use any and all available funds for refund purposes. Any assistance any member can give for this legal funds would be greatly appreciated.

If we don't take immediate legal action against Stormpay, they will continue arbirtarily taking and spending our money that we need to pay you your refunds.

Please know that I am here and I am going to stay here and continue to communicate with all of you the best way I possibly can.

Thank you in advance for your support.

Charis

clickclickclick · 02-05-2006, 11:31 PM

sorry to hear.. but if its too good to be...

rowan · 02-05-2006, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clickclickclick

sorry to hear.. but if its too good to be...

Before investing I did a bit of research and decided that the biggest risk factors were,

- lack of new members. Alexa shows there's still plenty of hype
- government investigation resulting in suspension and/or closure of operations

I hadn't considered a payment processor telling them that their business model was unacceptable, or generally dicking them around.

I think it's more of a concern that Stormpay doesn't seem to have sufficient funds to perform a large withdrawal... they're "not a bank" so they'll do what they like with your money until you ask for it.

BoyAlley · 02-05-2006, 11:52 PM

rowan · 02-06-2006, 12:17 AM

"4Daily.com Site Closed Sunday February 5, 2006"

http://www.4daily.com/

Just my luck that I also put some money into this one.

rowan · 02-06-2006, 12:20 AM

Stormpay news

Rumors Put to Rest.
05-Feb-2006 08:38
Recently StormPay.com closed the accounts of what appear to be some major ponzi schemes. These account closures came as the early results of investigations into those businesses by outside investigational organizations as well as our own internal investigations.

As a result, possible victims of these businesses are attempting to retaliate against StormPay.com by spreading false rumors and performing DDOS attacks against StormPay's servers. The rumors include such things as "StormPay.com has gone out of business", "Their building has been burned down", and other falsehoods. The DDOS attacks are "Denial of Service" attacks where massive amounts of traffic is sent to the website whereby disallowing legitimate web traffic to reach the website. These attacks only prevent legitimate traffic from reaching the website and pose absolutely no threat to the security of your StormPay account.

StormPay will CONTINUE to cooperate with authoritative investigations into these businesses which very heavily appear to be nothing more than illegal ponzi or pyramid schemes. Our hopes are to get these investigations completed as early as possible so that victims can quickly be refunded monies that have been captured in those account closures. However, we must warn that those who are impeding the investigation are only slowing the process for everyone involved.

StormPay Inc.

rowan · 02-06-2006, 12:21 AM

Looks like I may have lost my $2,900.

Nookster · 02-06-2006, 12:34 AM

Sucks for you man but you really should have researched that scheme before you put money into it. I knew it was a pyramid scheme right when I first saw it.

bhutocracy · 02-06-2006, 12:37 AM

meh.. really.. you're better off putting it all on black than a bloody ponzi scheme. Given the fact they're illegal it's really silly to even join in the first place.

rowan · 02-06-2006, 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nookster

Sucks for you man but you really should have researched that scheme before you put money into it. I knew it was a pyramid scheme right when I first saw it.

It's not a pyramid scheme, because that requires you to recruit new members in order to fund your ROI. It's ponzi.

Anyway, it seems that Stormpay itself is in trouble. I have been reading several forums and some people's checks are bouncing.

BIGTYMER · 02-06-2006, 01:24 AM

Rowan you're such a funny guy.

You just put it in the background and leave your comp on 24/7 or what?

Damian_Maxcash · 02-06-2006, 01:33 AM

Ok - Sounds interesting - but WTF is a PONZI?

adultfora · 02-06-2006, 01:40 AM

it that not the drummer at The Muppets Show? :D

rowan · 02-06-2006, 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damian2001

Ok - Sounds interesting - but WTF is a PONZI?

I did link ponzi for a reason.

It's a common scheme named after Charles Ponzi.

BigTymer: yeah, that's basically what you do. It's worthless traffic to buy, it's really only a requirement so it looks like they're doing something half legitimate to make money. Some people also miss surfing days (I've missed a couple) so you don't get paid for those.

u-Bob · 02-06-2006, 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damian2001

Ok - Sounds interesting - but WTF is a PONZI?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi

crockett · 02-06-2006, 06:08 AM

lol Rowan comon man I figure you would know better than to use one of those programs.. As it would happen a off line friend of mine was telling me something about some pay to surf program that he joined.

I didn't get the details but I told him, not to get involved that they are normaly scams. Well he did and another guy that I know both started doing it. Yesterday he tells me all their money is froze up in the stormpay accounts. One of them had about $3,600 in his account, the other was about $450.

So I get him to tell me the details on what's going on, and he tells me about the auto surft deal.. I knew right then it was a scam.

I mean that's fraud plane and simple. They are getting people to use a bot to surf webpages that advertisers are paying to have real humans surf.

It's the same thing as you buying traffic for you TGP's expecting to get real surfers and you get bot traffic instead. The advertisers we getting ripped off, so of course it's going to get termed.

rowan · 02-06-2006, 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett

lol Rowan comon man I figure you would know better than to use one of those programs..

I only 'invested' money I could afford to lose.

I did struggle a little with the knowledge that joining a ponzi program was really supporting a wholesale scam (where the last round of investors ALWAYS lose) but it's not really that much different from making money in the stock or forex markets... you make money when someone loses some.

I took a calculated risk based on the amount of hype surrounding 12DP, concluding that there were still plenty of new people joining up so there was still time to make some money before the bubble burst.

I've been doing a lot of forum reading today and I'm actually more concerned about Stormpay. Looks like it's run off a residential street by one or two guys. They also run NetIBA which is a "verification" company - from the same address. Some people have reported Stormpay withdrawal cheques bouncing. Some people are saying they've "heard" they are bankrupt (I take this one less seriously at this stage)

If Stormpay were clearly a strong company then I'd just wait it out and hope to get back a percentage of my principal, because they they are still holding 12DP funds in their account. Now, I'm just waiting for something concrete to surface about Stormpay to enable me to initiate immediate action such as a chargeback to recover my principal. I can live with losing that money, but it doesn't mean I'm not going to try to recover it.

Here's an Alexa graph to give you an idea of the 12DP hype...

The Demon · 02-06-2006, 08:25 AM

I know a lot of people that lost out in this and I can tell you if stormpay gets taken to court, the key players are going to prison. This is an enron type of situation.. On 1/31/06 they updated their tos so that autosurfs can ONLY use them as a processor, next day they deemed autosurfs illegal and froze all the money, stole rather. With this alone any autosurf that lost money has an easy case against them and 12dp will take them to court and win. It's the end of Stormpay regardless, nobody is going to use their piece of shit service anymore.

jjjay · 02-06-2006, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowan

Here's an Alexa graph to give you an idea of the 12DP hype...

interesting. today's the first time I've heard of it. guess i don't hang out in the "biz op" side of the net

no surprises about stormpay, always been suspect

RayBonga · 02-06-2006, 09:41 AM

lookstoogoodtobetrue.com

Rui · 02-06-2006, 10:08 AM

did any of you guys expected anything else to happen?

rowan · 02-06-2006, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Demon

I know a lot of people that lost out in this and I can tell you if stormpay gets taken to court, the key players are going to prison. This is an enron type of situation.. On 1/31/06 they updated their tos so that autosurfs can ONLY use them as a processor, next day they deemed autosurfs illegal and froze all the money, stole rather. With this alone any autosurf that lost money has an easy case against them and 12dp will take them to court and win. It's the end of Stormpay regardless, nobody is going to use their piece of shit service anymore.

Unfortunately that leaves the autosurf members up shit creek, with the Ponzi model there's no need to ever withdraw the bulk of the cash from the payment processor, so 12DP and other autosurfs will not actually have a lot of cash in their real bank accounts (if they even have one).

It's been hinted that Stormpay may not be able to service large withdrawal requests, and I wouldn't be surprised: considering there's such a diverse number of members, many with small balances that are probably not worth withdrawing, what are the chances that Stormpay will ever have to come up with the sum total of the members funds all at once? Virtually nil. Stormpay are probably making a very comfortable profit on their overpriced fees, but digging into the members funds would be a goldmine.

sfera · 02-06-2006, 11:24 AM

o well lol

The Demon · 02-06-2006, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowan

Unfortunately that leaves the autosurf members up shit creek, with the Ponzi model there's no need to ever withdraw the bulk of the cash from the payment processor, so 12DP and other autosurfs will not actually have a lot of cash in their real bank accounts (if they even have one).

It's been hinted that Stormpay may not be able to service large withdrawal requests, and I wouldn't be surprised: considering there's such a diverse number of members, many with small balances that are probably not worth withdrawing, what are the chances that Stormpay will ever have to come up with the sum total of the members funds all at once? Virtually nil. Stormpay are probably making a very comfortable profit on their overpriced fees, but digging into the members funds would be a goldmine.

You are right, stormpay didn't have enough money to pay out 12dp so they made up the whole FBI/FTC investigation thing to run with the money. However 12dp is about to subpoena them, and I don't know any way stormpay will survive. It's reported that Stormpay has 400 million of 12dps money.

woj · 02-06-2006, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rui

did any of you guys expected anything else to happen?

yea, no kidding, it was just a matter of time before got screwed..

rowan · 02-06-2006, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Demon

You are right, stormpay didn't have enough money to pay out 12dp so they made up the whole FBI/FTC investigation thing to run with the money. However 12dp is about to subpoena them, and I don't know any way stormpay will survive. It's reported that Stormpay has 400 million of 12dps money.

That's a lotta dollars. If I was running a similar program I would set it up something like this:

- incoming bank account
- interest earning account or other short term investment
- outgoing bank account
- separate Stormpay accounts for membership and payout

This way you keep as much as possible out of the reach of Stormpay. Sure, it's a bit more work shuffling money around, but you'll make extra on the investment (say an automated sweep to an interest bearing account outside of banking hours) and you won't be left completely penniless if your payment processor fucks you. I'm surprised that 12DP were not smart enough to implement something similar. I can't even fathom it being safe keeping $100k in an online payment processor let alone hundreds of millions...

woj · 02-06-2006, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowan

I'm surprised that 12DP were not smart enough to implement something similar. I can't even fathom it being safe keeping $100k in an online payment processor let alone hundreds of millions...

OR that's how they did it, and now are just using stormpay issue as an excuse to shut down the operation and screw everyone out of their $$$.

polle54 · 02-06-2006, 12:12 PM

hehe this is a never ending story....

never the less did I almost myself try this one out.

everestcash · 02-06-2006, 01:22 PM

stormpay sucks,
autosurf programs suck,
to put it brief and concise.

Manowar · 02-06-2006, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RayBonga

lookstoogoodtobetrue.com

lol yep for sure

~Ray · 02-06-2006, 02:49 PM

autosurf is SO 2k

polster · 02-06-2006, 11:01 PM

Stormpay in not so innocent in this whole thing... As They were promoting obvious scams via "stormclix" and certifying obvious scams via NETIBA certification. 99% of stormpays business transactions came from people using it for MLMs, autosurf ponzis, and HYIP Ponzi's. They have been accepting payment for 12dailypro for 7 months now and too say they are just discovering they are a ponzi is ludacras. 12dailypro supposedly had 300 million (thats million) in there stormpay account before it was frozen.

Btw - Stormpay was sued in 2003 by the Attorney General of Tennessee for running it own investment ponzi scheme. Read all about it here:
http://tennessee.gov/commerce/securi...al08072003.pdf

rowan · 02-10-2006, 11:05 AM

www.stormpay.com

down for me now, no DNS entry for www

anyone else?

rowan · 02-10-2006, 12:07 PM

It's back up, with a "some information on this page is unencrypted" warning by Mozilla and a bunch of broken images on the login page.

kmanrox · 02-10-2006, 12:08 PM

stormpay has been on/off for a while now... they're ASS

Dollarmansteve · 02-10-2006, 12:11 PM

Wow, this is the least surprising bit of news I've ever heard.

The Demon · 02-10-2006, 12:22 PM

Im not going to read this thread as i've been dealing with this the past 2 weeks. Stormpay is going to go to court and either go bankrupt or their top guys are going to prison. They have assisted HYIPS and autosurfs for 2 years now and suddenly stole millions of dollars from them. Not to mention they stole millions of dollars from stormpay users' banks, and zeroed accounts, and negated accounts. These guys are getting ddos'd 24/7 and they are going to go down hard

rowan · 02-10-2006, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Demon

Im not going to read this thread as i've been dealing with this the past 2 weeks. Stormpay is going to go to court and either go bankrupt or their top guys are going to prison. They have assisted HYIPS and autosurfs for 2 years now and suddenly stole millions of dollars from them. Not to mention they stole millions of dollars from stormpay users' banks, and zeroed accounts, and negated accounts. These guys are getting ddos'd 24/7 and they are going to go down hard

Yeah, I'm this close --->||<--- to calling my bank about a chargeback. If it was 12DP itself that went down the tubes then I would wear it (I accepted that risk when investing), but it's Stormpay that is fucking everyone around.

I've already started printing out screen caps and other docs for the bank...

rowan · 02-10-2006, 01:07 PM

Reading the 12DP forums is quite entertaining.

Most of the people there strongly defend the company. In addition, every second post mentions god, and using naughty words like "bitch" are grounds for banning.

The admin of 12DP is also losing it....

OK. As mad as I am at StormPay, TAGLIERA, I think I am about to get the maddest I have ever been throughout this whole thing at YOU right now.

YOU ARE BLIND, SELFISH, & HAVE A VERY BAD MEMORY. LET ME QUOTE SOMETHING FOR YOU, TAGLIERA!...

"A. There is never any guarantee of earnings or profits.

C. Upgrade payments made to 12daily Pro are considered membership fees, not investments or deposits of any kind. The money we pay members is a payment for the service provided by them, viewing other member websites. All membership fees are non-refundable; charge-backs are grounds for account cancellation.

D. We cannot be held responsible for unforeseen or uncontrollable events involving our reserve fund, member participation, technical issues, or legislation. It may become necessary for the managers of this site to change our earning rates and referral commissions for continued growth and sustainability."

BUT EVEN THOUGH YOU agreed to these terms when you joined our program, I hav always maintained that I would do my best to do right by all members if I am able.

AND THAT IS WHAT I AM DOING.

NO, MY EMPLOYEES ARE NOT GOING TO GET PAID BEFORE YOU. I HAD TO LET MY EMPLOYEES GO SO I COULD AFFORD A LEGAL BATTLE TO GET MONEY BACK TO YOU THAT ACCORDING TO MY TERMS I DON"T EVEN ACTUALLY OWE YOU.

MY FATHER IS IN CRITICAL CONDITION, MT GRANDMOTHER DIED TWO DAYS AGO, THE COMPANY THAT I HAVE SWEAT BLOOD FOR IS BEING ATTACKED AND MY PERSONAL INTEGRITY IS BEING DRAGGED THRU THE MUD.

YET STILL HERE I AM, WHEN ALL OTHER ADMINS HAVE RUN FOR THE HILLS, FIGHTING FOR YOUR MONEY THAT I DON'T EVEN HAVE TO, AND WATCHING MY FAMILY GO THROUGH HELL. I AM EVEN GOING TO PROBABLY HAVE TO SELL MY CAR TO HONOR MY COMMITTMENT I MADE TO CONTINUE WITH THE CONVENTION, BECUASE MY PERSONAL SAVINGS ARE GOING TO HELP FIGHT STORMPAY AS WELL.

ATTORNIES WON'T LET YOU TELL THE WHOLE STORY, BTW, but since you are not me and you are not dealing with what I am, you would have NO CLUE, would you.

I am not going to ban you for this post. Because I want people to see what pure selfishness and greed looks like and I want people to know that despite the few people like you have want to take, take, take in life like the people over at StormPay, my God and my Jesus will have the glory in all of this and it is from them that I have my peace right now. Your nastiness has no power over me.

02-05-2006, 11:31 PM	#2
clickclickclick Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,227	sorry to hear.. but if its too good to be... __________________ if you need more than 3 clicks to get to a join page, something is wrong ;) p.s. i still bring the sales whores here.

02-06-2006, 12:34 AM	#8
Nookster Confirmed IT Professional Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 3,744	Sucks for you man but you really should have researched that scheme before you put money into it. I knew it was a pyramid scheme right when I first saw it. __________________ The Best Affiliate Software, Ever.

02-06-2006, 01:40 AM	#13
adultfora Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 498	it that not the drummer at The Muppets Show? :D __________________ yes i know - im a rabbit

02-06-2006, 06:08 AM	#16
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,818	lol Rowan comon man I figure you would know better than to use one of those programs.. As it would happen a off line friend of mine was telling me something about some pay to surf program that he joined. I didn't get the details but I told him, not to get involved that they are normaly scams. Well he did and another guy that I know both started doing it. Yesterday he tells me all their money is froze up in the stormpay accounts. One of them had about $3,600 in his account, the other was about $450. So I get him to tell me the details on what's going on, and he tells me about the auto surft deal.. I knew right then it was a scam. I mean that's fraud plane and simple. They are getting people to use a bot to surf webpages that advertisers are paying to have real humans surf. It's the same thing as you buying traffic for you TGP's expecting to get real surfers and you get bot traffic instead. The advertisers we getting ripped off, so of course it's going to get termed. __________________ In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

02-06-2006, 12:12 PM	#28
polle54 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Beach Posts: 4,626	hehe this is a never ending story.... never the less did I almost myself try this one out. __________________ ICQ# 143561781

02-05-2006, 11:29 PM	#1
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	stormpay tells autosurf programs to fuck off Anyone else waiting for autosurf payouts via stormpay? I got in a couple of weeks before the trouble started, which means I haven't yet been paid a cent. It's not looking too good. Many autosurfs are probably just straight ponzi schemes (with a little bit of extra revenue from advertising) which means that if their accounts are locked they cannot sign up new members. Lose your new members and you lose your neverending (cough) revenue stream... From 12dailypro members news: We have learned that StormPay has completed its own independent investigation, which we have learned did NOT involve any law enforcement whatsover, only their bank and themselves, and have begun arbitrarily issuing refunds. In addition they are randomly denying claims of individuals at their own discretion and threatening THEM with legal action. We also learned that they are refunding members who have already received their upgrade payments from 12daily Pro. Thus essentially paying them twice with our money. Then on top of that they have announced they are going to seek to take additional money from us. Not only are they now holding money paid to us as non-refundable upgrade fees, but they are also holding a great deal of funds that came to us as via other revenue streams having nothing to do with member upgrades including: Thousands of dollars in referral commissions we earned by promoting their website. Thousands of dollars we earned in advertising sales Thousands of dollars we earned from other online sources Thousands of dollars in referral commissions we earned by promoting NETIBA, owned by StormPay. Thousands of dollars earned from advertising promotions and for convention registrations. They are also sitting on much more money that they earned in fees from both our company and all our members, transactions which they are now saying are null based on their own internal investigation. We also have not been contacted by any law enforcement officials and/or been informed of any investigation by anyone. StormPay has created this lie in order to cover their own trail of blackmail, deceit, and money shifting that made them unable to pay our withdrawal request. What does this mean? THERE WAS NEVER ANY INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF OUR STORMPAY ACCOUNT. STORMPAY LIED TO IS USERS...AGAIN. StormPay has also lied to all of its users informing them that they just discovered 12daily Pro's business model. However, their own daily records since we began using them in May of 2005, they have a detailed record of payments both received by us from members and sent to members by us. Not only did Stormpay tell us just 5 days ago that we were an excellent client and member, they blackmailed us into forcing us to chose them as our ONLY payment processor, with full knowledge our our business model. These current actions and this 'fake' investigation are simply a means by which they can cover their own illegal acts and mishandling of their users funds. They have provided us NO PROOF of an external investigation. And no external investigators have contact us. In addition, Stormpay has locked us from access to our account, so we don't know who is being refunded and whether or not those refunds are legitimate. We also fear that they may be laundering and syphoning funds out of our account to cover their debts to their other users who have never even been members of 12daily Pro. StormPay President, John McConnell openly admitted to me that they do not have the funds to cover their user accounts in their bank. These actions they are taking are ALL because of this. And now they intend to try to make 12daily Pro and all of you pay for their unlawful shifting both our money and yours. By the second, StormPay is absconding with money that we need to legitmately refund our members and operate our business. Their actions are making it very unlikely that everyone will get the refunds they are due. We have been advised that it may be possible to take legal action that will force them to cease and desist in dispursement of our funds until a REAL independent investigation is conducted. Other autosurfs are also in discussion of a class action law-suit against the company, who has a long negative history with the BBB. Many supportive members on the forum asked us if there is any way you can all help us recover our funds from Stormpay via legal action. Requests were made that we make available the ability for members to donate to a legal fund for this purpose. Over 200 members have already donated. If you would like to assist us in our efforts to recover 12daily Pro funds from Stormpay, you can send a donation electronically via EMO with the following payment details: Account Name: 12dp Stormpay Recovery Legal Fund Account Email: [email protected] OR you can send to our mailing address: LifeClicks LLC 8116 South Tryon St. Suite B3, #15 Charlotte, NC 28273 If we are able to pool enough funds for this legal action, we will not have to utilize company funds that are needed to provide refunds as we are able. As it is the staff has been cut to 1, myself, in order to use any and all available funds for refund purposes. Any assistance any member can give for this legal funds would be greatly appreciated. If we don't take immediate legal action against Stormpay, they will continue arbirtarily taking and spending our money that we need to pay you your refunds. Please know that I am here and I am going to stay here and continue to communicate with all of you the best way I possibly can. Thank you in advance for your support. Charis

02-05-2006, 11:52 PM	#4
BoyAlley So Fucking Gay Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 19,714

02-06-2006, 12:17 AM	#5
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	"4Daily.com Site Closed Sunday February 5, 2006" http://www.4daily.com/ Just my luck that I also put some money into this one.

02-06-2006, 12:20 AM	#6
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Stormpay news Rumors Put to Rest. 05-Feb-2006 08:38 Recently StormPay.com closed the accounts of what appear to be some major ponzi schemes. These account closures came as the early results of investigations into those businesses by outside investigational organizations as well as our own internal investigations. As a result, possible victims of these businesses are attempting to retaliate against StormPay.com by spreading false rumors and performing DDOS attacks against StormPay's servers. The rumors include such things as "StormPay.com has gone out of business", "Their building has been burned down", and other falsehoods. The DDOS attacks are "Denial of Service" attacks where massive amounts of traffic is sent to the website whereby disallowing legitimate web traffic to reach the website. These attacks only prevent legitimate traffic from reaching the website and pose absolutely no threat to the security of your StormPay account. StormPay will CONTINUE to cooperate with authoritative investigations into these businesses which very heavily appear to be nothing more than illegal ponzi or pyramid schemes. Our hopes are to get these investigations completed as early as possible so that victims can quickly be refunded monies that have been captured in those account closures. However, we must warn that those who are impeding the investigation are only slowing the process for everyone involved. StormPay Inc.

02-06-2006, 12:21 AM	#7
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Looks like I may have lost my $2,900.

02-06-2006, 12:37 AM	#9
bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	meh.. really.. you're better off putting it all on black than a bloody ponzi scheme. Given the fact they're illegal it's really silly to even join in the first place.

02-06-2006, 01:24 AM	#11
BIGTYMER Junior Achiever Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Walled Garden Posts: 17,066	Rowan you're such a funny guy. You just put it in the background and leave your comp on 24/7 or what?

02-06-2006, 01:33 AM	#12
Damian_Maxcash So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MaxCash.com Posts: 12,745	Ok - Sounds interesting - but WTF is a PONZI?

02-06-2006, 08:25 AM	#18
The Demon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 7,336	I know a lot of people that lost out in this and I can tell you if stormpay gets taken to court, the key players are going to prison. This is an enron type of situation.. On 1/31/06 they updated their tos so that autosurfs can ONLY use them as a processor, next day they deemed autosurfs illegal and froze all the money, stole rather. With this alone any autosurf that lost money has an easy case against them and 12dp will take them to court and win. It's the end of Stormpay regardless, nobody is going to use their piece of shit service anymore.

02-06-2006, 09:41 AM	#20
RayBonga too cool for highschool Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: East side, West side, Worldwide! Posts: 12,164	lookstoogoodtobetrue.com

02-06-2006, 10:08 AM	#21
Rui web Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: On icq: 85-483-060 Posts: 9,533	did any of you guys expected anything else to happen?

02-06-2006, 11:24 AM	#23
sfera Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: ICQ: 248877409 Posts: 8,597	o well lol

02-06-2006, 01:22 PM	#29
everestcash Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 2,194	stormpay sucks, autosurf programs suck, to put it brief and concise. __________________ Got solo girls/teen traffic? Promote our exclusive solo girl sites and boost your income!

02-06-2006, 02:49 PM	#31
~Ray visit hardlinks.org Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Las Vegas , Nv >>> [email protected] or icq 94994627 anytime Posts: 18,362	autosurf is SO 2k __________________ Adult Backlinks for Adult Websites - Testimonials Available

02-06-2006, 11:01 PM	#32
polster Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: in your head Posts: 178	Stormpay in not so innocent in this whole thing... As They were promoting obvious scams via "stormclix" and certifying obvious scams via NETIBA certification. 99% of stormpays business transactions came from people using it for MLMs, autosurf ponzis, and HYIP Ponzi's. They have been accepting payment for 12dailypro for 7 months now and too say they are just discovering they are a ponzi is ludacras. 12dailypro supposedly had 300 million (thats million) in there stormpay account before it was frozen. Btw - Stormpay was sued in 2003 by the Attorney General of Tennessee for running it own investment ponzi scheme. Read all about it here: http://tennessee.gov/commerce/securi...al08072003.pdf __________________ ~CUTE GIRLS~

02-10-2006, 11:05 AM	#33
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	www.stormpay.com down for me now, no DNS entry for www anyone else?

02-10-2006, 12:07 PM	#34
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	It's back up, with a "some information on this page is unencrypted" warning by Mozilla and a bunch of broken images on the login page.

02-10-2006, 12:08 PM	#35
kmanrox aka K-Man Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Gutter Posts: 29,295	stormpay has been on/off for a while now... they're ASS

02-10-2006, 12:11 PM	#36
Dollarmansteve Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: T.O. Posts: 2,849	Wow, this is the least surprising bit of news I've ever heard. __________________ I died.

02-10-2006, 12:22 PM	#37
The Demon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 7,336	Im not going to read this thread as i've been dealing with this the past 2 weeks. Stormpay is going to go to court and either go bankrupt or their top guys are going to prison. They have assisted HYIPS and autosurfs for 2 years now and suddenly stole millions of dollars from them. Not to mention they stole millions of dollars from stormpay users' banks, and zeroed accounts, and negated accounts. These guys are getting ddos'd 24/7 and they are going to go down hard

02-10-2006, 01:07 PM	#39
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Reading the 12DP forums is quite entertaining. Most of the people there strongly defend the company. In addition, every second post mentions god, and using naughty words like "bitch" are grounds for banning. The admin of 12DP is also losing it.... OK. As mad as I am at StormPay, TAGLIERA, I think I am about to get the maddest I have ever been throughout this whole thing at YOU right now. YOU ARE BLIND, SELFISH, & HAVE A VERY BAD MEMORY. LET ME QUOTE SOMETHING FOR YOU, TAGLIERA!... "A. There is never any guarantee of earnings or profits. C. Upgrade payments made to 12daily Pro are considered membership fees, not investments or deposits of any kind. The money we pay members is a payment for the service provided by them, viewing other member websites. All membership fees are non-refundable; charge-backs are grounds for account cancellation. D. We cannot be held responsible for unforeseen or uncontrollable events involving our reserve fund, member participation, technical issues, or legislation. It may become necessary for the managers of this site to change our earning rates and referral commissions for continued growth and sustainability." BUT EVEN THOUGH YOU agreed to these terms when you joined our program, I hav always maintained that I would do my best to do right by all members if I am able. AND THAT IS WHAT I AM DOING. NO, MY EMPLOYEES ARE NOT GOING TO GET PAID BEFORE YOU. I HAD TO LET MY EMPLOYEES GO SO I COULD AFFORD A LEGAL BATTLE TO GET MONEY BACK TO YOU THAT ACCORDING TO MY TERMS I DON"T EVEN ACTUALLY OWE YOU. MY FATHER IS IN CRITICAL CONDITION, MT GRANDMOTHER DIED TWO DAYS AGO, THE COMPANY THAT I HAVE SWEAT BLOOD FOR IS BEING ATTACKED AND MY PERSONAL INTEGRITY IS BEING DRAGGED THRU THE MUD. YET STILL HERE I AM, WHEN ALL OTHER ADMINS HAVE RUN FOR THE HILLS, FIGHTING FOR YOUR MONEY THAT I DON'T EVEN HAVE TO, AND WATCHING MY FAMILY GO THROUGH HELL. I AM EVEN GOING TO PROBABLY HAVE TO SELL MY CAR TO HONOR MY COMMITTMENT I MADE TO CONTINUE WITH THE CONVENTION, BECUASE MY PERSONAL SAVINGS ARE GOING TO HELP FIGHT STORMPAY AS WELL. ATTORNIES WON'T LET YOU TELL THE WHOLE STORY, BTW, but since you are not me and you are not dealing with what I am, you would have NO CLUE, would you. I am not going to ban you for this post. Because I want people to see what pure selfishness and greed looks like and I want people to know that despite the few people like you have want to take, take, take in life like the people over at StormPay, my God and my Jesus will have the glory in all of this and it is from them that I have my peace right now. Your nastiness has no power over me.