Why is porn so inconsistant? - GoFuckYourself.com

wedouglas · 02-04-2006, 02:17 PM

50 sales yesterday, 11 so far today.

1:60, then 1:90, then 1:70, then a couple days at 1:130

whats your opinion?

Sly · 02-04-2006, 02:18 PM

I bet its more stable than a lot of "store front" operations.

wargames · 02-04-2006, 02:19 PM

I was thinking the same exact thing this morning when i opened up stats remote bump

Manowar · 02-04-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

I bet its more stable than a lot of "store front" operations.

other than dealing crack lol!

OldSchoolJim · 02-04-2006, 02:29 PM

Because ALL processors scrub....you MUST meet quotas monthly to stay in this biz....so towards the end of the month they start to adjust their screening to ONLY allow cards the meet ALL of the required criteria...instead of just a few fields.....

This whole industry is a numbers game and you have to play by the rules...or you get shit on....

Just depends on how the numbers are running for the time in question....

Most affiliate programs change nothing in their day to day operations...it is up to the processing companies who gets through and who does not....

wedouglas · 02-04-2006, 02:31 PM

Do you see the same things with Epic overall?

OldSchoolJim · 02-04-2006, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by wedouglas

Do you see the same things with Epic overall?

We can tell when the processors fluctuate....but we have several merchant accounts in place to try and keep the affiliate numbers as stable as possible...

After Shock Media · 02-04-2006, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by wedouglas

50 sales yesterday, 11 so far today.

1:60, then 1:90, then 1:70, then a couple days at 1:130

whats your opinion?

Why would you ask "why porn is so inconsistant"?
Could it not be that the buying paterns of the particular traffic for that day are inconsistant? Or is there some general law of the universe that guarentees that for every 80 people that see porn one will always purchase it?

wedouglas · 02-04-2006, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Why would you ask "why porn is so inconsistant"?
Could it not be that the buying paterns of the particular traffic for that day are inconsistant? Or is there some general law of the universe that guarentees that for every 80 people that see porn one will always purchase it?

Look at mainstream numbers and you won't find the same inconsistancy

who · 02-04-2006, 03:53 PM

The best signups happen around the time of televised beauty pageants. That's one of those universal law thingies.

aico · 02-04-2006, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by EpicJim

Because ALL processors scrub....you MUST meet quotas monthly to stay in this biz....so towards the end of the month they start to adjust their screening to ONLY allow cards the meet ALL of the required criteria...instead of just a few fields.....

This whole industry is a numbers game and you have to play by the rules...or you get shit on....

Just depends on how the numbers are running for the time in question....

Most affiliate programs change nothing in their day to day operations...it is up to the processing companies who gets through and who does not....

Holy shit, someone with a straight forward answer... Only thing that could have made this better is a SOS stick figure illustration of how the scrubbing process works.

After Shock Media · 02-04-2006, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by wedouglas

Look at mainstream numbers and you won't find the same inconsistancy

Which types of mainstream numbers?

When I was running a store front our numbers still fluxuated despite having averages that showed it was beyond normal. Example was on fridays we would typically do around 4k in sales, yet once or twice a month friday would only hit 2k or so. Did not matter which portion of the month it was either, start, middle, end. Also foot traffic was not less than other typical days.

tony286 · 02-04-2006, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

I bet its more stable than a lot of "store front" operations.

Actually its not, with a store front you get a good location, good products, build a good rep and your set.With porn and the net in general you constantly have to look for new places to market and to get exposure to new eyeballs. Successful bricks and mortar doesnt have to worry about that as much.

After Shock Media · 02-04-2006, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Actually its not, with a store front you get a good location, good products, build a good rep and your set.With porn and the net in general you constantly have to look for new places to market and to get exposure to new eyeballs. Successful bricks and mortar doesnt have to worry about that as much.

I beg to differ.

wedouglas · 02-04-2006, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

I beg to differ.

Pizza place down the street has been there for 25 years and turns out very consistant numbers.

who · 02-04-2006, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by wedouglas

Pizza place down the street has been there for 25 years and turns out very consistant numbers.

hey, if it was a pizza-porn site online for 25 years it would have grown an absolute fuckload.. how much has the pizza shop grown?

Elli · 02-04-2006, 04:03 PM

All businesses have ebb and flow.

wedouglas · 02-04-2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by who

hey, if it was a pizza-porn site online for 25 years it would have grown an absolute fuckload.. how much has the pizza shop grown?

Depends. I don't have full financials from that long ago so it is hard to tell. I can say that the $5 pizza has increased orders significantly though.

After Shock Media · 02-04-2006, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by wedouglas

Pizza place down the street has been there for 25 years and turns out very consistant numbers.

Always exceptions.

Local hamburger place that had 5 local locations and was in business since mid 70's. Recently closed 3 of its local locations and is in process of closing a 4th.

TheDoc · 02-04-2006, 04:07 PM

A pizza place to the large corporations to us adult companies, we ALL see daily, weekly, monthly, etc.. trends. Just the day of the week a payday falls on will change signups ratios. The same goes with holidays, but what most Americans miss those holidays in other countries happen on different days. All the way down to major backbone issues to kill off parts of the net, which creates a chain reaction of slow services.

Having your signups ratios change daily, happens with every business in the world daily.

Sly · 02-04-2006, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Actually its not, with a store front you get a good location, good products, build a good rep and your set.With porn and the net in general you constantly have to look for new places to market and to get exposure to new eyeballs. Successful bricks and mortar doesnt have to worry about that as much.

It depends on the business. Some businesses, sure, pretty steady. But a LOT of businesses fluctuate due to the time of year, current events, upcoming holidays, etc.

I have a friend who used to develop film. Every Labor Day and Memorial Day people would swarm in with film to be developed.

Hardware stores. Lumber yards. Toy stores. Greeting card stores. Electronic stores. Clothing stores.

All examples of stores that have ups and downs throughout the year. A "good location" and "good products" does not guarantee steady sales.

who · 02-04-2006, 04:09 PM

I suppose the main difference is that more and more customers are getting onto the internet, which means more and more traffic for most websites.

I think the opposite is true for the good old pizza places. They'll probably (hopefully) always be around, but in order to really profit with it you probably need to cut some corners somewhere, and the customer suffers. you don't really have to do that with online stuff.

wedouglas · 02-04-2006, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Always exceptions.

Local hamburger place that had 5 local locations and was in business since mid 70's. Recently closed 3 of its local locations and is in process of closing a 4th.

I'm talking large day to day fluctuations. That happened over a long period of time.

tony286 · 02-04-2006, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

I beg to differ.

I worked in retail adult and food and ran a affiliate program for a mainstream site. I saw the differences had lunch today at a place that has been in the same place for 30 yrs.

wedouglas · 02-04-2006, 04:14 PM

never mind that last post

Sly · 02-04-2006, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

I worked in retail adult and food and ran a affiliate program for a mainstream site. I saw the differences had lunch today at a place that has been in the same place for 30 yrs.

Good for you. You must be one amazing person for your limited experience to outweigh the experiences of everyone else.

Congratulations.

TheDoc · 02-04-2006, 04:19 PM

The pizza place has hourly, daily, monthly, seasons, yearly, fluctuations of how many customers they have to the average order amount. One year may better than the next, summer may be stronger than school time, and lunchtime in the winter could be strong.

A $5 pizza may bring in more customers, it may increase gross, but whats the conversion ratio (how many customers) they need to make a larger net?

wedouglas · 02-04-2006, 04:19 PM

Well, a couple months from now, I'll set up a whole bunch on data in Excell and see what kind of trends I can spot, though I'm mainly concerned with one sponsor.

wedouglas · 02-04-2006, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

The pizza place has hourly, daily, monthly, seasons, yearly, fluctuations of how many customers they have to the average order amount. One year may better than the next, summer may be stronger than school time, and lunchtime in the winter could be strong.

A $5 pizza may bring in more customers, it may increase gross, but whats the conversion ratio (how many customers) they need to make a larger net?

I'm well aware of the fluctuations of that business. I worked it for some time.

The thing with adult is that I'm sending the same amount of people each day to a paysite. It's not like less people visit on a given day.

tony286 · 02-04-2006, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Good for you. You must be one amazing person for your limited experience to outweigh the experiences of everyone else.

Congratulations.

lets see Ive been working for almost 28 yrs ,how about you?

TheDoc · 02-04-2006, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by wedouglas

I'm well aware of the fluctuations of that business. I worked it for some time.

The thing with adult is that I'm sending the same amount of people each day to a paysite. It's not like less people visit on a given day.

Sending the same amount of people daily just means you consistently pull that number from your advertisements, just like any business that advertises, some days are hot, others are not.

Sometimes I go out to spend money on something but I just end up just looking, or maybe think I don?t really need it, or I really don?t have the money because payday is 2 days away.

wedouglas · 02-04-2006, 04:30 PM

All valid points in this thread. Nice to have some non worthless talk. Anyhow, I'm out for now. Adios.

Sly · 02-04-2006, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

lets see Ive been working for almost 28 yrs ,how about you?

Me? Probably 10 or so. Shall we add up the years of everyone else in this thread that has basically stated the same thing I have? It will far surpass 28 years and will encompass several different industries.

tony286 · 02-04-2006, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Me? Probably 10 or so. Shall we add up the years of everyone else in this thread that has basically stated the same thing I have? It will far surpass 28 years and will encompass several different industries.

Well its my opinion from my experience, I never said my comments are carved in stone lol . I dont have a big ego lol

dissipate · 02-04-2006, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by EpicJim

Because ALL processors scrub....you MUST meet quotas monthly to stay in this biz....so towards the end of the month they start to adjust their screening to ONLY allow cards the meet ALL of the required criteria...instead of just a few fields.....

This whole industry is a numbers game and you have to play by the rules...or you get shit on....

Just depends on how the numbers are running for the time in question....

Most affiliate programs change nothing in their day to day operations...it is up to the processing companies who gets through and who does not....

interesting view

Sly · 02-04-2006, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Well its my opinion from my experience, I never said my comments are carved in stone lol . I dont have a big ego lol

Fair enough.

beemk · 02-04-2006, 05:20 PM

"you gotta diversify yo bonds nigga!"

TheDoc · 02-04-2006, 07:37 PM

The credit card companies scrubbing is only part of it, a small part. Scrubbing happens offline too. While one of the two major processors does have double the declines, the amount or adjustments they make to the scrub is BS. No statistical trend has ever proven this and people have been using the same companies for years.

Yes, its true both may scrub more now, but it?s because the ban / decline lists are large and getting larger. Every refund, chargebacks, complaint, problem, even when a member right, the site did suck, he couldn?t get in.. its still a blocked account that never gets purged.

That?s scrubbing.

After Shock Media · 02-04-2006, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

The credit card companies scrubbing is only part of it, a small part. Scrubbing happens offline too. While one of the two major processors does have double the declines, the amount or adjustments they make to the scrub is BS. No statistical trend has ever proven this and people have been using the same companies for years.

Yes, its true both may scrub more now, but it?s because the ban / decline lists are large and getting larger. Every refund, chargebacks, complaint, problem, even when a member right, the site did suck, he couldn?t get in.. its still a blocked account that never gets purged.

That?s scrubbing.

That is just logical crazy talk. That stuff does not belong here.

OldSchoolJim · 02-04-2006, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

The credit card companies scrubbing is only part of it, a small part. Scrubbing happens offline too. While one of the two major processors does have double the declines, the amount or adjustments they make to the scrub is BS. No statistical trend has ever proven this and people have been using the same companies for years.

Yes, its true both may scrub more now, but it?s because the ban / decline lists are large and getting larger. Every refund, chargebacks, complaint, problem, even when a member right, the site did suck, he couldn?t get in.. its still a blocked account that never gets purged.

That?s scrubbing.

Doc...so your saying processors do NOT adjust the rate at which they decline auth's?

So that means when i try to do a test sale on the 15th...with the wrong name and the right CC info...and it processes...then on the 31st i cannot even get a legit one through...you actually believe they do not try to meet quotas?

I have been doing this for 10+years...(i know you know your stuff also) but they DEFINITELY have a sliding scale....

There are definitely times when the processing is more "lenient" than other times...THATS scrubbing(albeit slightly different than yours...which is also scrubbing)

spooky181 · 02-04-2006, 09:33 PM

I used to see that when we used ccbill but for 4 years we have been using Verotel and sales are always very constant, no peaks and troughs...

TheDoc · 02-04-2006, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by EpicJim

Doc...so your saying processors do NOT adjust the rate at which they decline auth's?

So that means when i try to do a test sale on the 15th...with the wrong name and the right CC info...and it processes...then on the 31st i cannot even get a legit one through...you actually believe they do not try to meet quotas?

I have been doing this for 10+years...(i know you know your stuff also) but they DEFINITELY have a sliding scale....

There are definitely times when the processing is more "lenient" than other times...THATS scrubbing(albeit slightly different than yours...which is also scrubbing)

Do your declines increase later in the month? Sometimes mine do sometimes they don't, however every month has different really bad days and different really good days, including the 30/31st.

I think Epoch needs to dump emails and get on the system idea / theory as CCBill with declines/scrubs. My decline % at CCBill is always at least 50% of what it is at Epoch.

With CCBill, I see zero trends, either I'm on that day or not, declines always stay in the same ranges. However, with Epoch, one day it can be 10%, the next 35%.. I don't think it's a scrub, I think they do things differently, and that email block list they have is part of the big problem.

BS aside, at least at one point Epoch was the monster of monsters for processing. They had pretty much every major company for years. The scrub list they have must be crazy.

When people use other processors they can see an increase sales, that processor flat doesn?t have the scrub list the two main companies do.

Really I don?t think an ?up and down? scrubbing system is making a difference in sales.

Neighbor · 02-04-2006, 11:50 PM

Sales in general are steady depending on branding as well. Ususally if someone come to our sites they realize they are there for a reason. When you get into Sponsored ads and such, people just get curious and browse around. The simple fact is even the "average school teacher" wants a vibrator, just depends on finding the one that appeals the most, so they will browse around a few places.

That's my take

spacedog · 02-04-2006, 11:54 PM

I'd love to make 11 sales in a day. Are you talking about sales from your own paysite, or sales as an affiliate? Shit, I'm lucky when I get that many in a week.

02-04-2006, 02:17 PM	#1
wedouglas So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dearborn, MI Posts: 5,921	Why is porn so inconsistant? 50 sales yesterday, 11 so far today. 1:60, then 1:90, then 1:70, then a couple days at 1:130 whats your opinion?

02-04-2006, 02:18 PM	#2
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,359	I bet its more stable than a lot of "store front" operations. __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Windows VPS now available Great for TSS, Nifty Stats, remote work, virtual assistants, etc. Click here for more details.

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TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	A pizza place to the large corporations to us adult companies, we ALL see daily, weekly, monthly, etc.. trends. Just the day of the week a payday falls on will change signups ratios. The same goes with holidays, but what most Americans miss those holidays in other countries happen on different days. All the way down to major backbone issues to kill off parts of the net, which creates a chain reaction of slow services. Having your signups ratios change daily, happens with every business in the world daily. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

02-04-2006, 02:29 PM	#5
OldSchoolJim Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,117	Because ALL processors scrub....you MUST meet quotas monthly to stay in this biz....so towards the end of the month they start to adjust their screening to ONLY allow cards the meet ALL of the required criteria...instead of just a few fields..... This whole industry is a numbers game and you have to play by the rules...or you get shit on.... Just depends on how the numbers are running for the time in question.... Most affiliate programs change nothing in their day to day operations...it is up to the processing companies who gets through and who does not....

02-04-2006, 02:31 PM	#6
wedouglas So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dearborn, MI Posts: 5,921	Do you see the same things with Epic overall?

02-04-2006, 03:53 PM	#10
who So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ICQ #23642053 Posts: 19,593	The best signups happen around the time of televised beauty pageants. That's one of those universal law thingies.

02-04-2006, 04:09 PM	#22
who So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ICQ #23642053 Posts: 19,593	I suppose the main difference is that more and more customers are getting onto the internet, which means more and more traffic for most websites. I think the opposite is true for the good old pizza places. They'll probably (hopefully) always be around, but in order to really profit with it you probably need to cut some corners somewhere, and the customer suffers. you don't really have to do that with online stuff.

02-04-2006, 04:14 PM	#25
wedouglas So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dearborn, MI Posts: 5,921	never mind that last post

02-04-2006, 04:19 PM	#27
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	The pizza place has hourly, daily, monthly, seasons, yearly, fluctuations of how many customers they have to the average order amount. One year may better than the next, summer may be stronger than school time, and lunchtime in the winter could be strong. A $5 pizza may bring in more customers, it may increase gross, but whats the conversion ratio (how many customers) they need to make a larger net? __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

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wedouglas So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dearborn, MI Posts: 5,921	All valid points in this thread. Nice to have some non worthless talk. Anyhow, I'm out for now. Adios.

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02-04-2006, 07:37 PM	#38
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	The credit card companies scrubbing is only part of it, a small part. Scrubbing happens offline too. While one of the two major processors does have double the declines, the amount or adjustments they make to the scrub is BS. No statistical trend has ever proven this and people have been using the same companies for years. Yes, its true both may scrub more now, but it?s because the ban / decline lists are large and getting larger. Every refund, chargebacks, complaint, problem, even when a member right, the site did suck, he couldn?t get in.. its still a blocked account that never gets purged. That?s scrubbing. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

02-04-2006, 09:33 PM	#41
spooky181 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: back of beyond Posts: 2,951	I used to see that when we used ccbill but for 4 years we have been using Verotel and sales are always very constant, no peaks and troughs...

02-04-2006, 11:50 PM	#43
Neighbor Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,511	Inconsistent Sales in general are steady depending on branding as well. Ususally if someone come to our sites they realize they are there for a reason. When you get into Sponsored ads and such, people just get curious and browse around. The simple fact is even the "average school teacher" wants a vibrator, just depends on finding the one that appeals the most, so they will browse around a few places. That's my take

02-04-2006, 11:54 PM	#44
spacedog Yes that IS me. Bitch. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 14,149	I'd love to make 11 sales in a day. Are you talking about sales from your own paysite, or sales as an affiliate? Shit, I'm lucky when I get that many in a week.