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baddog · 01-25-2006, 10:11 PM

Moral of the story: target keywords and send them to a landing page. On that page you can decide what sponsor to send your traffic to.

TheJimmy · 01-25-2006, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Moral of the story: target keywords and send them to a landing page. On that page you can decide what sponsor to send your traffic to.

seriously

beemk · 01-25-2006, 10:25 PM

how many people do you think are going to go for top spots on "busty amateur boobs" now and send it to another sponsor?

MarkMan · 01-25-2006, 10:35 PM

TheDoc,

You been around for a very long time .. but.. here is the mistake you made.

if you are going to make an affiliate program.. don't bother making your own branding.

use the affiliates to brand your site.

if you are going to promote the site in DVDs and other places.. don't even try to get affiliates.

now in time .. people would find your domain and would compete with you anyway. only then is the time to open an affiliate program.. when you are no longer capable of keep your position without paying them off.

if you wanted to make money from an affiliate program.. create another site, a new one with no real brand and let the affiliates make you the money and the brand.

RogerV · 01-25-2006, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Targeting my domain name keywords, "targeting" which is what review sites do, it's how they get the traffic.. have a problem with.

And I DAMN WELL KNOW other owners have problems with it too. I have talked to at least 5 they hate review sites and have started to think of ways to kill them from the program. Just wondering who is going to be the first to do it. It?s coming.

everyhting has a a catch 22
I focused on my members section to retain longer.

because review site traffic is conditioned to buy and cancel over and over again just like All the free sites like TGP's and MGP's they all have tons of trial junkies

I was around when there was only maybe 5 programs up how do you think I feel with all the shitty programs that stole all my sales LOL..

Just build better shit and improve what you are doing. If you cant beat them join them and do it better

fr0gman · 01-25-2006, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by abyss_al

i've always wanted the keyword "bustyamateurbobos" to be mine...

It was mine once and I traded it for amateurbreastreduction. I am much lighter on my feet because of it.

Abyss_Vee · 01-25-2006, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Actually some people have agreed with me on this post, and on ICQ. Everyone has a bit different view which is cool and I asked for, yours on the other hand is based off the fact that we wouldn?t let you review our sites.

And please, no webmasters are going to drop me because of this post. If that was the case, pimpdogg would have went out of business years ago. Webmasters don't give a fuck, if I convert, they get paid, they promote, simple. And it?s not like I?m bashing my webmasters or pulling accounts.

im not upset that you didnt let us review your sites... just kinda bugs me that you had to come make a post right after i had asked to send traffic to your sites... u see what my point is? believe me some people look at morals more then money.. if im sending one of the sponsors a lot of sales and they get on my nerves and piss me off... that the last time they see 1 surfer from me..

Abyss_Vee · 01-25-2006, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TopBucksTrixxxia

TheDoc,
I can see your standpoint - however, in my opinion, the only time they are doing wrong (and I'm not referring to review sites) is when they are blatantly targetting your domain name and sending to a totally different sponsor & most likely they aren't your affiliate. This blows and yet you can't do anything about it cuz if it's not your affiliate, you can't even shut him down *if you're pissed*.

Review sites are keyword ladden, they are built for volume, they have similar sites, similar keywords, the are built intricately to get lots of traffic and their objective is to get the surfer to their site to read the reviews. Once the surfer is on the review, they hope to have convinced or given the surfer enough of an honest opinion to convince them to signup, if the surfer chooses to check other stuff then it's because the site didn't appeal to them or they wanted something a little different.

Some aren't necessarily targetting your keyword but yet will appear on top - because they mention those three keywords of your domain name in different areas of the review and have similar reviews with the same keywords so they get higher ranking. You can't penalize them for mentioning what's on your site, you can't penalize them for linking to BustyAmateurBoobs.com with the rest of the linkcode not showing. On that same note, you are also getting exposure, branding, traffic/signups from other keywords and other sites which you can't/weren't targetting in the first place.

If having reviews of your sites actually decreased your bottom line, then I'd have to say 'perhaps you got a point' but if, at the end of the month, your sales increased and your PNL increases and it keeps growing, you should be seeing this as a positive. You no longer have to concentrate on staying on top for those keywords (cuz they've got you up there) and you can work on gaining ground on an 'untapped' keywords. You are losing a little to gain alot more.

Trax · 01-26-2006, 01:36 AM

you can not forbid review sites
those are some strange comments you are making. If you would forbid me to review your site and really want to piss them on they can still do more harm.
What will happen if a review site comes up with a nicely optimized text explaining why they were forbidden to review the site along with the link to other boob pages that you dont seem to like

baddog · 01-26-2006, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Trax

you can not forbid review sites
those are some strange comments you are making. If you would forbid me to review your site and really want to piss them on they can still do more harm.
What will happen if a review site comes up with a nicely optimized text explaining why they were forbidden to review the site along with the link to other boob pages that you dont seem to like

No doubt, I could write a scathing review of his site, using his keywords, and send that traffic right over to the competition with no problem at all. . . . . Might even be fun.

V_RocKs · 01-26-2006, 02:11 AM

Well, Doc, you brought up an interesting way of looking at things.

Believe it or not I actually simpathize with you. But looking at the larger picture in all of this you have to know every affiliate is branding your website. By putting up more pages they are gaining you market share. Think of this point in time as an investment. Eventually all of those links to your website are going to add PR to it. This might be just over the hill if this is something that just started happening within the last few months.

I target both the name of the website in question and generic words... So if I am targeting "Cum Fiesta", I am also targeting just the word cum or cumshots, blowjobs, facials, etc... I get traffic into my sites on all of the variations...

In this particular example I have hits for full cum videos, cum neck, cum wives, cum auditions, models names, cum fuck, cum eaters, cum shots, cumshots, etc...

Granted a good amount are for 'cum fiesta', a very close second is 'cum' by itself...

More and more I try to target the generic words and sometimes I hit on a combination that is like hitting the lottery. That one combo of keywords might make me $250 a day for 8 weeks to 6 months.

I build my sites with a twist. Most people just cloak the original. I mostly do not unless I want something on the domain I just bought and want to age but have no time to build a free site on it. I make a strong effort to create websites that will sell even in position #7 because I used my brain and didn't cloak something like the spots 1 to 6 did... The surfer buys that day because of what I did to effect the sale. They passed up the original site a shitty free site and 3 cloaked sites to buy from me. So my sponsors cannot bitch because if it weren't for me and my ability to sell, they would have just surfed FHG's all day eating more sponsor bandwidth.

abyss_al · 01-26-2006, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

No doubt, I could write a scathing review of his site, using his keywords, and send that traffic right over to the competition with no problem at all. . . . . Might even be fun.

very true

TheDoc · 01-26-2006, 12:56 PM

Oh please.. Someone wants to take the time to build a site with those keywords, have at it. I have listings already, everyone seems to have missed that 100 times over and still missed overall point. Damn sure baddogs listings aren't going to worry me.

And the swank group, how gay can an overall group of people be, all pissed because we wouldn't let them review our sites.

V Rocks & MarkMan, point taken.

Don't have time to play on GFY today anyway, unlike yesterday, so good luck.

Abyss_Vee · 01-26-2006, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Oh please.. Someone wants to take the time to build a site with those keywords, have at it. I have listings already, everyone seems to have missed that 100 times over and still missed overall point. Damn sure baddogs listings aren't going to worry me.

And the swank group, how gay can an overall group of people be, all pissed because we wouldn't let them review our sites.

V Rocks & MarkMan, point taken.

Don't have time to play on GFY today anyway, unlike yesterday, so good luck.

Either you are really Dense or Hard of understanding.. i can care less about reviewing your sites. i asked and you guyssaid no which i said ok to and simply asked why not. and i said Fine.. u came here and pretty much indirectly tried talking shit. The only one here that is butt hurt is you.

Far-L · 01-26-2006, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Oh please.. Someone wants to take the time to build a site with those keywords, have at it. I have listings already, everyone seems to have missed that 100 times over and still missed overall point. Damn sure baddogs listings aren't going to worry me.

And the swank group, how gay can an overall group of people be, all pissed because we wouldn't let them review our sites.

V Rocks & MarkMan, point taken.

Don't have time to play on GFY today anyway, unlike yesterday, so good luck.

I don't think you should have to say that more than the ten times you have already here... but I will say it for you as a favor since I think you are being wildly misunderstood in this thread -This is not about the keywords - this is about keywording the actual domains.

devilspost · 01-26-2006, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Far-L

This is not about the keywords - this is about keywording the actual domains.

Even if it is... so what?

Far-L · 01-26-2006, 02:50 PM

I made my views apparent earlier.

In sum, I see Docs point but don't necessarily agree with it since I feel ultimately there are measures that can be taken to overcome the issues he is encountering and I feel that any legit traffic is good for biz.

justsexxx · 01-26-2006, 05:08 PM

Traffic Rank for bustyamateurboobs.com: 80,085

And doing 100 sales a day? Lol more like 15 or so...

Of course you gonna tell me I know shit blablabla. I do know however how to respect affiliates. Also I don't blame them when I personally fuck up.

Also why not hire a SEO when you are so pissed of because you have to pay 50% now to review sites of those 1-2 sales a day with your keywords used.

Oh well, some people I will never understand

Andre

bhutocracy · 01-26-2006, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by justsexxx

Traffic Rank for bustyamateurboobs.com: 80,085

And doing 100 sales a day? Lol more like 15 or so...

Um no, don't get too worked up over alexa. Sexgaymes comes up 770,300 at the moment which is bullshit and if you think we're getting less than 15 sales a day based off that then you are insane.. If doc says he's getting 100 I believe him, he's not some paysite noob that needs to bullshit.

x3guide · 01-26-2006, 06:10 PM

Review sites USED to be a good idea. Like, back when we invented the concept (x3guide). We don't exploit the use of names/search terms, but simply give our honest opinion of each site we review. Been doing it since early 2001, still doing it the same way.

(Yea I'm not counting linklist-sites like Jane/persian/etc when I say we were the first online and the one copied, re-copied, re-re-re-copied, etc)

The problem is that the term "Review Site" is now used as an _excuse_ to spam search terms. Typically you'll type in the name of a site, arrive at some bogus page with absolutely NO useful information about the site, but sure enough a ref-link to sign up.

Sometimes they use "clever" slogans like "Sorry, we haven't had time to review this site yet. Click here to visit it". Or "We have 20,000 sites in our database. 87 have reviews, the rest are 'pending'".

This (the latter) strategy is not honest. Running review sites like that is, as was initially stated, simply exploiting the name of the target site.

But don't go accusing review sites in general, because there are a handful that actually DO do what they imply they do. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with comparing sites to oneanother and giving surfers a choice.

If you want to include all reviewsites in the "bad guys" category, then it's simply a case of you wanting a monopoly in your niche. And that's pretty much BS

/x3guide.com

andrej_NDC · 01-26-2006, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy

Um no, don't get too worked up over alexa. Sexgaymes comes up 770,300 at the moment which is bullshit and if you think we're getting less than 15 sales a day based off that then you are insane.. If doc says he's getting 100 I believe him, he's not some paysite noob that needs to bullshit.

first, you are not 770k, but 300k
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...=sexgaymes.com

second, its a totally different niche

third, its not only alexa, but also overture numbers(site poularity) and some other factors...

I would believe it(100+ sales day) if I saw a screenshot and someone from the processing company would verify it.

u-Bob · 01-26-2006, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

It's not really funny.

welcome to the interweb.

u-Bob · 01-26-2006, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Crypt

Its always funny to see some program owner complaint like this because some affiliates do a better job than them with SE/Adwords ;) lol

You are the 2 program owner talking like this over a 3 weeks period. I hate this new trend really. If ppl send the sale , THEY NEED TO BE CREDITED for the sale.
Period. Even if they take over your top ranks, use adwords or any legit way to generate traffic.

By any chance, if any other program owner think like TheDoc and i dont know about it, please post, it will be a pleasure to remove your program as well from my traffic system.

what he said.

u-Bob · 01-26-2006, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

The "traffic is not mine", this is really simple. The keywords "bustyamateurboobs" and "busty amateur boobs" are mine.

why???????

u-Bob · 01-26-2006, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Misspell domains can't advertise other sites legally.

think again.

pocketkangaroo · 01-26-2006, 07:59 PM

Like it or not, it's part of life. SEO's aren't going after your name, they are going after the search volume. If a company bans affiliates from doing SEO on their terms, the SEO will simply do it and send it to somewhere else. If 20,000 people search your name a month, it's the 20,000 people we want. It's just whether you want that traffic or someone else.

bhutocracy · 01-26-2006, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

first, you are not 770k, but 300k
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...=sexgaymes.com

second, its a totally different niche

third, its not only alexa, but also overture numbers(site poularity) and some other factors...

I would believe it(100+ sales day) if I saw a screenshot and someone from the processing company would verify it.

Yeah, im incapable of checking alexa. The link you posted:

secondly, a point but 80k vs 770k?

Thirdly he didn't mention anything other than alexa. Hence me saying don't get too worked up over alexa. I know what overture's numbers say. But Alexa is BS purely on looking at the traffic rank. One of our sites is 83,000th but a site that gets more traffic is 770,300th (or 300k on your comp). I'm just saying it doesn't take all kinds of things into account like hosted gals etc. or is just very innaccurate. Certainly not accurate enough to use it to laugh at someone's figures.
At any rate, he may have been talking about his program overall not just this one site.

andrej_NDC · 01-27-2006, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy

Yeah, im incapable of checking alexa. The link you posted:

Dude, 770k is for a longer period(3 months), that doesnt mean much if the site is growing. Check "Today", you are at 90k today.

Krille · 01-27-2006, 04:30 AM

damn lots of posts, cant be bothered to read em all... if i take your #1 spot for bustyamateurboobs and promote your site then you wont pay me?

wm_cibi · 01-27-2006, 06:07 AM

There is no money to be made in SEO

bhutocracy · 01-27-2006, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

Dude, 770k is for a longer period(3 months), that doesnt mean much if the site is growing. Check "Today", you are at 90k today.

Yeah but 3 months is the default rank is it not and more importanly the length of period that was used to laugh at him - ie 80k 3/mo avg for BAB. I can hardly compare the two sites by using the stated 3/mo avg for him and a daily feature for myself - I *have* to use the longer default figure.

I only look for trends, I don't use the single day feature - it's not much use given how it oscillates. The current daily rank for SG is 205k today vs 90k when you tried with 2.5% difference in traffic between today and yesterday... So unless every other site on the web had their traffic halved.......
And i've only got 17% more traffic to SG this month compared to November, I wouldn't think that would take it from 770k to 90k yesterday but whatever...

Before it gets like we're arguing too pendantically or adversarially, my point was that alexa is unreliable and not worth laughing over.
If he had have posted alexa rankings, overture and wordtracker counts, backlinks etc and made a bit of a study of it with references - more like what you were getting into - I wouldn't have piped up.
*shrugs* and once again he might have meant the whole program.. I know I think more in terms of overall numbers on a day to day sales basis than what each site is doing, when im looking individually it's mainly at conversions.

Troels · 01-27-2006, 11:32 PM

I love it! Close accounts or tell people not to review your paysites because of some suspect agenda??

Youre just gonna group you program with the other minefield programs (clickcash and perfect1o): don't agree with the weird management and you're fucked!
You thinkl any big webmasters are gonna risk a lot of volume on minefield sponsors?

Nicky · 03-27-2006, 06:10 PM

Cant belive I missed this thread

01-25-2006, 10:25 PM	#203
beemk CLICK HERE Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 20,829	how many people do you think are going to go for top spots on "busty amateur boobs" now and send it to another sponsor? __________________ I host with Vacares

01-26-2006, 12:56 PM	#213
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	Oh please.. Someone wants to take the time to build a site with those keywords, have at it. I have listings already, everyone seems to have missed that 100 times over and still missed overall point. Damn sure baddogs listings aren't going to worry me. And the swank group, how gay can an overall group of people be, all pissed because we wouldn't let them review our sites. V Rocks & MarkMan, point taken. Don't have time to play on GFY today anyway, unlike yesterday, so good luck. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

01-26-2006, 02:50 PM	#217
Far-L Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 6,065	I made my views apparent earlier. In sum, I see Docs point but don't necessarily agree with it since I feel ultimately there are measures that can be taken to overcome the issues he is encountering and I feel that any legit traffic is good for biz. __________________ HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982. Contact - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

01-26-2006, 05:08 PM	#218
justsexxx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 13,723	Traffic Rank for bustyamateurboobs.com: 80,085 And doing 100 sales a day? Lol more like 15 or so... Of course you gonna tell me I know shit blablabla. I do know however how to respect affiliates. Also I don't blame them when I personally fuck up. Also why not hire a SEO when you are so pissed of because you have to pay 50% now to review sites of those 1-2 sales a day with your keywords used. Oh well, some people I will never understand Andre __________________ Questions? ICQ: 125184542

01-26-2006, 06:10 PM	#220
x3guide Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: lake titicaca Posts: 735	Review sites USED to be a good idea. Like, back when we invented the concept (x3guide). We don't exploit the use of names/search terms, but simply give our honest opinion of each site we review. Been doing it since early 2001, still doing it the same way. (Yea I'm not counting linklist-sites like Jane/persian/etc when I say we were the first online and the one copied, re-copied, re-re-re-copied, etc) The problem is that the term "Review Site" is now used as an _excuse_ to spam search terms. Typically you'll type in the name of a site, arrive at some bogus page with absolutely NO useful information about the site, but sure enough a ref-link to sign up. Sometimes they use "clever" slogans like "Sorry, we haven't had time to review this site yet. Click here to visit it". Or "We have 20,000 sites in our database. 87 have reviews, the rest are 'pending'". This (the latter) strategy is not honest. Running review sites like that is, as was initially stated, simply exploiting the name of the target site. But don't go accusing review sites in general, because there are a handful that actually DO do what they imply they do. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with comparing sites to oneanother and giving surfers a choice. If you want to include all reviewsites in the "bad guys" category, then it's simply a case of you wanting a monopoly in your niche. And that's pretty much BS /x3guide.com __________________ Shomer fuckin shabbas

01-25-2006, 10:11 PM	#201
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	Moral of the story: target keywords and send them to a landing page. On that page you can decide what sponsor to send your traffic to.

01-25-2006, 10:35 PM	#204
MarkMan Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Money Land Posts: 1,370	TheDoc, You been around for a very long time .. but.. here is the mistake you made. if you are going to make an affiliate program.. don't bother making your own branding. use the affiliates to brand your site. if you are going to promote the site in DVDs and other places.. don't even try to get affiliates. now in time .. people would find your domain and would compete with you anyway. only then is the time to open an affiliate program.. when you are no longer capable of keep your position without paying them off. if you wanted to make money from an affiliate program.. create another site, a new one with no real brand and let the affiliates make you the money and the brand.

01-26-2006, 01:36 AM	#209
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	you can not forbid review sites those are some strange comments you are making. If you would forbid me to review your site and really want to piss them on they can still do more harm. What will happen if a review site comes up with a nicely optimized text explaining why they were forbidden to review the site along with the link to other boob pages that you dont seem to like

01-26-2006, 02:11 AM	#211
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	Well, Doc, you brought up an interesting way of looking at things. Believe it or not I actually simpathize with you. But looking at the larger picture in all of this you have to know every affiliate is branding your website. By putting up more pages they are gaining you market share. Think of this point in time as an investment. Eventually all of those links to your website are going to add PR to it. This might be just over the hill if this is something that just started happening within the last few months. I target both the name of the website in question and generic words... So if I am targeting "Cum Fiesta", I am also targeting just the word cum or cumshots, blowjobs, facials, etc... I get traffic into my sites on all of the variations... In this particular example I have hits for full cum videos, cum neck, cum wives, cum auditions, models names, cum fuck, cum eaters, cum shots, cumshots, etc... Granted a good amount are for 'cum fiesta', a very close second is 'cum' by itself... More and more I try to target the generic words and sometimes I hit on a combination that is like hitting the lottery. That one combo of keywords might make me $250 a day for 8 weeks to 6 months. I build my sites with a twist. Most people just cloak the original. I mostly do not unless I want something on the domain I just bought and want to age but have no time to build a free site on it. I make a strong effort to create websites that will sell even in position #7 because I used my brain and didn't cloak something like the spots 1 to 6 did... The surfer buys that day because of what I did to effect the sale. They passed up the original site a shitty free site and 3 cloaked sites to buy from me. So my sponsors cannot bitch because if it weren't for me and my ability to sell, they would have just surfed FHG's all day eating more sponsor bandwidth.

01-26-2006, 07:59 PM	#226
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	Like it or not, it's part of life. SEO's aren't going after your name, they are going after the search volume. If a company bans affiliates from doing SEO on their terms, the SEO will simply do it and send it to somewhere else. If 20,000 people search your name a month, it's the 20,000 people we want. It's just whether you want that traffic or someone else.

01-27-2006, 04:30 AM	#229
Krille Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Bangkok Posts: 2,436	damn lots of posts, cant be bothered to read em all... if i take your #1 spot for bustyamateurboobs and promote your site then you wont pay me?

01-27-2006, 06:07 AM	#230
wm_cibi Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 663	There is no money to be made in SEO

01-27-2006, 11:32 PM	#232
Troels Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Between the clouds Posts: 1,035	I love it! Close accounts or tell people not to review your paysites because of some suspect agenda?? Youre just gonna group you program with the other minefield programs (clickcash and perfect1o): don't agree with the weird management and you're fucked! You thinkl any big webmasters are gonna risk a lot of volume on minefield sponsors? __________________ These guys steal your signups: Read here. And sexsearch.com profit from it. Check out which sponsors pay thieves here. And here's a list of clean sponsors.

03-27-2006, 06:10 PM	#233
Nicky Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 30,069	Cant belive I missed this thread __________________ gfynicky @ gmail.com