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andrej_NDC · 01-25-2006, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Look at some of the, not monster programs, but big ones.. They don't have the best listings either.

Nobody has those listings without any work. Its always the fault of the program. And 99% of all paysites are not SE optimized at all, no matter if small or big programs.

TheDoc · 01-25-2006, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

its strong enough to make my paysites PR4-5 and have top listings...

A pr4 isn't nats, open a domain, put 10 links to it, its a pr4. A pr5, isn't from nats. You don't even use nats. You probably have a pr4/5 on most of the domains because your money program is linked up all over, and it HARD LINKS the paysites from the main page of the program.

And CCbill dumps to the front of tour with NO codes attached. Nats doesn't.

Abyss_Vee · 01-25-2006, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Any program, if they don't click the linking code and type in the domain, the site owner is going to get the credit for the sale.

The "traffic is not mine", this is really simple. The keywords "bustyamateurboobs" and "busty amateur boobs" are mine.

Correction... The domain BustyAmateurBoobs.com is yours

Trax · 01-25-2006, 02:10 PM

no offense but you are whining about something you shouldn't be whining about
I could target your sites keywords and send em to another site,
There are so many sites having content fitting to the keyword: busty amateur boobs

there is a sentence I like: Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Just because you suck at SEO doesn't mean people who don't are bad.

Wanna see it done right?
http://www.google.com/search?q=milfhunter

This could be the same for your site name.
just my two cents

andrej_NDC · 01-25-2006, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

The keywords "bustyamateurboobs" and "busty amateur boobs" are mine.

the keywords wouldn't even exist without the traffic and affiliates are sending the traffic, too

Crypt · 01-25-2006, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

I really careless if any agrees. A few posting own review sites so of course they don't like the idea, they really seem to hate the idea.

It's not like I'm running out and telling them to quit, I have a different game plan for active review sites that already push us. I'm not going to kill their accounts, have anyone EVER heard of me doing that? No..

Really only two ways to get kicked from my program. Fraud and one other way, which I have only had to happen once.

haaaaa ok ..... why this then?

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

..... I feel I shouldn?t have to pay for this traffic, traffic that should be mine anyway. Traffic I 100% had before review sites came out.....

Phoenix · 01-25-2006, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Any program, if they don't click the linking code and type in the domain, the site owner is going to get the credit for the sale.

The "traffic is not mine", this is really simple. The keywords "bustyamateurboobs" and "busty amateur boobs" are mine.

wtf..how do you figure they are yours?

if you own them then pay for the ranking on google..pay for it..and compete just like everyone else does.

if you dont buy the misspelt domain names and other extensions when you launch a site..that is your own negligence...just be happy the traffic will coem to you instead of to a competitor.

FUCK IT....from now on im buying all misspelt domains and typos and pointing them at sponsors...if they wont buy it to protect themselves ill help them out.

andrej_NDC · 01-25-2006, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

A pr4 isn't nats, open a domain, put 10 links to it, its a pr4. A pr5, isn't from nats. You don't even use nats. You probably have a pr4/5 on most of the domains because your money program is linked up all over, and it HARD LINKS the paysites from the main page of the program.

And CCbill dumps to the front of tour with NO codes attached. Nats doesn't.

if its a NATS issue, use your own sites for hard links

andrej_NDC · 01-25-2006, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Trax

Wanna see it done right?
http://www.google.com/search?q=milfhunter

its even better to have both top listings
http://www.google.com/search?num=50&...o m+next+door

beemk · 01-25-2006, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Any program, if they don't click the linking code and type in the domain, the site owner is going to get the credit for the sale.

The "traffic is not mine", this is really simple. The keywords "bustyamateurboobs" and "busty amateur boobs" are mine.

they really arent yours, its apparent when looking at google results. i would agree that they should be yours if you were responsible for everyone that searches those keywords. but the reality is that the reason they are searching for the site is because they have seen affiliates promoting the site.

Doctor Dre · 01-25-2006, 02:14 PM

That's interesting... john was asking for what to improve in a new version of nats ... maybe you should let him know

TheDoc · 01-25-2006, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

wtf..how do you figure they are yours?

if you own them then pay for the ranking on google..pay for it..and compete just like everyone else does.

if you dont buy the misspelt domain names and other extensions when you launch a site..that is your own negligence...just be happy the traffic will coem to you instead of to a competitor.

FUCK IT....from now on im buying all misspelt domains and typos and pointing them at sponsors...if they wont buy it to protect themselves ill help them out.

A lot of sponsors will kill the accounts for typo domains. I don't care, I buy up most of mine. But start asking around to the owners, and see if others care.

wedouglas · 01-25-2006, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Any program, if they don't click the linking code and type in the domain, the site owner is going to get the credit for the sale.

The "traffic is not mine", this is really simple. The keywords "bustyamateurboobs" and "busty amateur boobs" are mine.

you dont own any keywords. no one owns any.

beemk · 01-25-2006, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

A pr4 isn't nats, open a domain, put 10 links to it, its a pr4. A pr5, isn't from nats. You don't even use nats. You probably have a pr4/5 on most of the domains because your money program is linked up all over, and it HARD LINKS the paysites from the main page of the program.

And CCbill dumps to the front of tour with NO codes attached. Nats doesn't.

if you think the affiliates linking to your domain with their nats code doesnt help you out, you dont know very much about seo.

abyss_al · 01-25-2006, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Any program, if they don't click the linking code and type in the domain, the site owner is going to get the credit for the sale.

The "traffic is not mine", this is really simple. The keywords "bustyamateurboobs" and "busty amateur boobs" are mine.

actually i own the letter B, so u have to pay me royalties thank you. you just used it six times... so you owe me eleventy billion dollars.

Evil1 · 01-25-2006, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

The keywords "bustyamateurboobs" and "busty amateur boobs" are mine.

Im really fucking confused right now.. you own search terms?

wedouglas · 01-25-2006, 02:19 PM

should the guy who owns milf.com be the only result for "milf" ?

andrej_NDC · 01-25-2006, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

A lot of sponsors will kill the accounts for typo domains.

I didn't even think to punish affiliates for that. LOL Some got really good domains which get nice traffic and sales, but its not their fault. It was my stupidity and their cleverness to get them. I say, let them enjoy them.

Phoenix · 01-25-2006, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

A lot of sponsors will kill the accounts for typo domains. I don't care, I buy up most of mine. But start asking around to the owners, and see if others care.

np at all..can send the sales to someone else...the direct competition

sending away joins that convert is never a good idea

Evil1 · 01-25-2006, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

A lot of sponsors will kill the accounts for typo domains. I don't care, I buy up most of mine. But start asking around to the owners, and see if others care.

Hahaha, oh well, then the traffic goes to the competition.

beemk · 01-25-2006, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

I didn't even think to punish affiliates for that. LOL Some got really good domains which get nice traffic and sales, but its not their fault. It was my stupidity and their cleverness to get them. I say, let them enjoy them.

yeah really, if you cancel their account some other program with the same niche will very soon be getting the same traffic instead of you.

TheDoc · 01-25-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

I didn't even think to punish affiliates for that. LOL Some got really good domains which get nice traffic and sales, but its not their fault. It was my stupidity and their cleverness to get them. I say, let them enjoy them.

We have a webmaster with a bad spelling of EGC, and one of our other sites. I don't mind. Those are possible traffic sources I would have not had anyway. A lot of times if someone did type in a typo domain, and it doesn't come up, they don't try to fix it, they move on. So in my eyes, it's not a bad thing.

However, it really does piss some program owners off. A lot don't care, but a lot do.

TheDoc · 01-25-2006, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil1

Hahaha, oh well, then the traffic goes to the competition.

Misspell domains can't advertise other sites legally.

jimmy-3-way · 01-25-2006, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Targeting my domain name keywords, "targeting" which is what review sites do, it's how they get the traffic.. That is what I have a problem with.

And I DAMN WELL KNOW other owners have problems with it too. I have talked to at least 5 they hate review sites and have started to think of ways to kill them from the program. Just wondering who is going to be the first to do it. It?s coming.

This is very interesting we've been dealing with this exact same issue this morning. It is a tough issue to come down on. I mean thses guys are playing the game, so it's hard to fault them for it, but it is annoy as fuck to pay webmasters for traffic we already have.

wedouglas · 01-25-2006, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Misspell domains can't advertise other sites legally.

Maybe in some cases, but bustyamateurboobs isnt exactly branded. that isnt exclusive whatsoever. there is no way in hell you're going to win some case agianst bustyamatureboobs.com. that is a totally generic phrase.

Trax · 01-25-2006, 02:34 PM

I wanna see you get review sites banned lol
then the exact same traffic will go elsewhere lol

oh... i feel ignored by the way
this ain't good for my ego

wedouglas · 01-25-2006, 02:35 PM

Keep in mind, that if you come down on review sites and kill acounts of SE people they will just send your traffic elsewhere. you either get %50 the sales they generate or you both get haha because you can sure as hell believe that their spot isnt going away.

bdld · 01-25-2006, 02:37 PM

you don't own anything, you own a domain name. SE traffic is for those who can get their hands on it. if you want top rankings, become a better marketer.

wargames · 01-25-2006, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way

This is very interesting we've been dealing with this exact same issue this morning. It is a tough issue to come down on. I mean thses guys are playing the game, so it's hard to fault them for it, but it is annoy as fuck to pay webmasters for traffic we already have.

What program do you run ?

abyss_al · 01-25-2006, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Trax

oh... i feel ignored by the way
this ain't good for my ego

hi

rabbit · 01-25-2006, 02:40 PM

i dont think you would have started this thread if you were happy with your reviews. why not just implement the suggestions made and ask for the reviews to be updated? that can only work in your favor and in many more ways that just with this issue...

iwantchixx · 01-25-2006, 02:40 PM

I'm sorry but that keyword is hardly yours to begin with.

It's a generic term.

Now if you had a non generic term copyrighted you might have a fucking leg to stand on.

Ok now that aside. What the fuck is so wrong with someone targeting busty amateur boobs and gettign #1?? Are you going os eriously be sucha stingy prick about it? Think about it, how many other people doing keyword targeting are building in the same niche and flowing traffic to you??? So you want to cut that all off?

Also, you don't own google traffic. If an affiliate takes your keyword complain to google with a copyright infringement notice.. oh wait, you can't copyright generic terms and words.

xxxice · 01-25-2006, 02:40 PM

You are right about one thing. Webmasters are not going to be happy.

wargames · 01-25-2006, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Trax

I wanna see you get review sites banned lol
then the exact same traffic will go elsewhere lol

oh... i feel ignored by the way
this ain't good for my ego

Hey Trax how is your day going so far ?

TheDoc · 01-25-2006, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by wedouglas

Maybe in some cases, but bustyamateurboobs isnt exactly branded. that isnt exclusive whatsoever. there is no way in hell you're going to win some case agianst bustyamatureboobs.com. that is a totally generic phrase.

It's branded rather well, and all exclusive, has a great name with members, thanks. And we had the listings a year before we had the program. "busty amateur boobs" didn't have any keyword searches before we came around.

Bryan G · 01-25-2006, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil1

make your site not suck, simple concept

xxxice · 01-25-2006, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way

This is very interesting we've been dealing with this exact same issue this morning. It is a tough issue to come down on. I mean thses guys are playing the game, so it's hard to fault them for it, but it is annoy as fuck to pay webmasters for traffic we already have.

Please post your program here so I can never send it traffic

TheDoc · 01-25-2006, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbit

i dont think you would have started this thread if you were happy with your reviews. why not just implement the suggestions made and ask for the reviews to be updated? that can only work in your favor and in many more ways that just with this issue...

I'm happy with my reviews, and really I love your traffic. I'm in the top 8 or so on almost every review site for my niches. I'm happy with that. Review sites however, don't review sites good at all. We "busty amateur boobs" target the boob niche, only the niche, not hardcore, just the titties. Yet, we get bashed because we don't have hardcore, and we don't update 7 days a week.

What suggestions do I take? Change my niche? Or spend 4 times more money for updates on a site that retains perfect for us, and we have zero member complaints about updates.

Phoenix · 01-25-2006, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Trax

I wanna see you get review sites banned lol
then the exact same traffic will go elsewhere lol

oh... i feel ignored by the way
this ain't good for my ego

Trax has a big ego ;)

and big traffic to match

bringer · 01-25-2006, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by beemk

but the reality is that the reason they are searching for the site is because they have seen affiliates promoting the site.

this sums it up.

Trax · 01-25-2006, 02:51 PM

at abyss_al and wargames

iwantchixx · 01-25-2006, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

It's branded rather well, and all exclusive, has a great name with members, thanks. And we had the listings a year before we had the program. "busty amateur boobs" didn't have any keyword searches before we came around.

so?

'Cell Phone' didn't exist until the first company produced one, does that mean they own the term 'cell phone' ???

Chripes man, it's a generic term.

Stop being so godamn selfish and petty. You're going to alienate a lot of webmasters with networks that spread beyond 'busty amateur boobs' targets.

I've used that term quite a few times for other sites...

TheJimmy · 01-25-2006, 02:54 PM

Sorry man, I agree with you most of the time, BUT...

also consider this point...

You BY YOURSELF (or your company) did not BRAND this domain entirely.

Once you open it up to affliates THEY infact did, I'm sure, a huge part of the branding. No matter how big you are, you can not, nor ever will own the entire Interweb...affiliates control domains on geography that's just mind numbing, putting your links up on bazillions of pages is what branded your domain into something worth searching for. Sure you BUILDING the product in the first place gave 'yall' something to brand, without it they could just brand 'big bobo boobie pages dot com'

The way I look at it, once a domain is opened up to affiliates they are part owners in the branding process, so why focus on crying about it like Steve & others. You have mad skills, hardware, coders, employees, etc....go out there and BEAT those spots....DO EEET, quit crying about loosing top spots on 'your' brand.

I would never promote a program that was stingy with their 'brand' or would not allow me to use their domain name in my promotions, nor would most people I know. Sure ultimately you own the brand, but how is it that you can't see that these fish are just helping you continue the branding process.

Is 50% or 60% a cut too high for you to payout to these people working their asses of to push your product/brand?

Simple, redo your math and lower your payouts if you must.

wedouglas · 01-25-2006, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

It's branded rather well, and all exclusive, has a great name with members, thanks. And we had the listings a year before we had the program. "busty amateur boobs" didn't have any keyword searches before we came around.

so who owned the keyword before your site was out? i gaurantee google didnt return 0 results for the keyword. you are forgetting that google doesnt care about your site name. it helps that you have the domain, but google still uses it's own algorithm. notice the number one result for "busty amateur boobs" isnt for your site? half of the results dont even promote your site.

Obviously they werent targeting your site but they are ranked well.

if your site name was unique, you wouldnt find many listings going else where. the reason 6/10 links go elsewhere is because you arent unique enough (branded well)

iwantchixx · 01-25-2006, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

I'm happy with my reviews, and really I love your traffic. I'm in the top 8 or so on almost every review site for my niches. I'm happy with that. Review sites however, don't review sites good at all. We "busty amateur boobs" target the boob niche, only the niche, not hardcore, just the titties. Yet, we get bashed because we don't have hardcore, and we don't update 7 days a week.

What suggestions do I take? Change my niche? Or spend 4 times more money for updates on a site that retains perfect for us, and we have zero member complaints about updates.

AAAH ha so that's what this is all about.

better your site, or, leave it the way you think it should be for the niche and let the reviewers give thumbs down, big deal, there are thousands of sources for traffic online, find them and stop crying.

willysbirthday · 01-25-2006, 02:55 PM

You use NATS... Just shave them for what you think they deserve

baddog · 01-25-2006, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

The keywords "bustyamateurboobs" and "busty amateur boobs" are mine.

If they were, would you have started this thread?

TheJimmy · 01-25-2006, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way

... but it is annoy as fuck to pay webmasters for traffic we already have.

Apparently you DON'T HAVE it or you wouldn't be annoy

but yeh, I can imagine the pain, go take some of that profit and hire some Trax or WG like people to get that traffic you 'HAVE' back

FreeOnes · 01-25-2006, 02:59 PM

lots of text here....

If you don't want traffic well that's fine to me......

beemk · 01-25-2006, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way

This is very interesting we've been dealing with this exact same issue this morning. It is a tough issue to come down on. I mean thses guys are playing the game, so it's hard to fault them for it, but it is annoy as fuck to pay webmasters for traffic we already have.

i say whoever it is, you cancel the fuckers account!

edit: one hunnie

01-25-2006, 02:40 PM	#81
rabbit Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 2,124	i dont think you would have started this thread if you were happy with your reviews. why not just implement the suggestions made and ask for the reviews to be updated? that can only work in your favor and in many more ways that just with this issue... __________________ Got a paysite? Get it reviewed by RabbitsReviews and TheBestPorn

01-25-2006, 02:54 PM	#93
TheJimmy ICQ- five seven 0 2 5 5 0 Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 10,747	Sorry man, I agree with you most of the time, BUT... also consider this point... You BY YOURSELF (or your company) did not BRAND this domain entirely. Once you open it up to affliates THEY infact did, I'm sure, a huge part of the branding. No matter how big you are, you can not, nor ever will own the entire Interweb...affiliates control domains on geography that's just mind numbing, putting your links up on bazillions of pages is what branded your domain into something worth searching for. Sure you BUILDING the product in the first place gave 'yall' something to brand, without it they could just brand 'big bobo boobie pages dot com' The way I look at it, once a domain is opened up to affiliates they are part owners in the branding process, so why focus on crying about it like Steve & others. You have mad skills, hardware, coders, employees, etc....go out there and BEAT those spots....DO EEET, quit crying about loosing top spots on 'your' brand. I would never promote a program that was stingy with their 'brand' or would not allow me to use their domain name in my promotions, nor would most people I know. Sure ultimately you own the brand, but how is it that you can't see that these fish are just helping you continue the branding process. Is 50% or 60% a cut too high for you to payout to these people working their asses of to push your product/brand? Simple, redo your math and lower your payouts if you must. __________________ Investor with 5m - 15m USD to invest. Do you have a site or network of sites earning 50k - 200k a month income? Email your contact and preliminary data to: domain.cashventures (at) gmail.com....Please...no tire kickers...serious offers and inquiries only. Last edited by TheJimmy; 01-25-2006 at 02:55 PM..

01-25-2006, 02:55 PM	#96
willysbirthday Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: balmer Posts: 436	You use NATS... Just shave them for what you think they deserve __________________ oOooooooOOo

01-25-2006, 02:59 PM	#99
FreeOnes Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 3,400	lots of text here.... If you don't want traffic well that's fine to me...... __________________ The new FreeOnes! - AdultFilmStarContent - BabeGalleries and much more! - 1Strike Movies and much more! All powered by Xpressa

01-25-2006, 02:10 PM	#54
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	no offense but you are whining about something you shouldn't be whining about I could target your sites keywords and send em to another site, There are so many sites having content fitting to the keyword: busty amateur boobs there is a sentence I like: Don't hate the player, hate the game. Just because you suck at SEO doesn't mean people who don't are bad. Wanna see it done right? http://www.google.com/search?q=milfhunter This could be the same for your site name. just my two cents

01-25-2006, 02:19 PM	#67
wedouglas So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dearborn, MI Posts: 5,921	should the guy who owns milf.com be the only result for "milf" ?

01-25-2006, 02:34 PM	#76
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	I wanna see you get review sites banned lol then the exact same traffic will go elsewhere lol oh... i feel ignored by the way this ain't good for my ego

01-25-2006, 02:35 PM	#77
wedouglas So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dearborn, MI Posts: 5,921	Keep in mind, that if you come down on review sites and kill acounts of SE people they will just send your traffic elsewhere. you either get %50 the sales they generate or you both get haha because you can sure as hell believe that their spot isnt going away.

01-25-2006, 02:37 PM	#78
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	you don't own anything, you own a domain name. SE traffic is for those who can get their hands on it. if you want top rankings, become a better marketer.

01-25-2006, 02:40 PM	#82
iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	I'm sorry but that keyword is hardly yours to begin with. It's a generic term. Now if you had a non generic term copyrighted you might have a fucking leg to stand on. Ok now that aside. What the fuck is so wrong with someone targeting busty amateur boobs and gettign #1?? Are you going os eriously be sucha stingy prick about it? Think about it, how many other people doing keyword targeting are building in the same niche and flowing traffic to you??? So you want to cut that all off? Also, you don't own google traffic. If an affiliate takes your keyword complain to google with a copyright infringement notice.. oh wait, you can't copyright generic terms and words.

01-25-2006, 02:40 PM	#83
xxxice Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,042	You are right about one thing. Webmasters are not going to be happy.

01-25-2006, 02:51 PM	#91
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	at abyss_al and wargames