i dont think you would have started this thread if you were happy with your reviews. why not just implement the suggestions made and ask for the reviews to be updated? that can only work in your favor and in many more ways that just with this issue...

I'm sorry but that keyword is hardly yours to begin with.

It's a generic term.

Now if you had a non generic term copyrighted you might have a fucking leg to stand on.

Ok now that aside. What the fuck is so wrong with someone targeting busty amateur boobs and gettign #1?? Are you going os eriously be sucha stingy prick about it? Think about it, how many other people doing keyword targeting are building in the same niche and flowing traffic to you??? So you want to cut that all off?

Also, you don't own google traffic. If an affiliate takes your keyword complain to google with a copyright infringement notice.. oh wait, you can't copyright generic terms and words.

You are right about one thing. Webmasters are not going to be happy.

Hey Trax how is your day going so far ?

It's branded rather well, and all exclusive, has a great name with members, thanks. And we had the listings a year before we had the program. "busty amateur boobs" didn't have any keyword searches before we came around.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Please post your program here so I can never send it traffic

I'm happy with my reviews, and really I love your traffic. I'm in the top 8 or so on almost every review site for my niches. I'm happy with that. Review sites however, don't review sites good at all. We "busty amateur boobs" target the boob niche, only the niche, not hardcore, just the titties. Yet, we get bashed because we don't have hardcore, and we don't update 7 days a week.

What suggestions do I take? Change my niche? Or spend 4 times more money for updates on a site that retains perfect for us, and we have zero member complaints about updates.

Trax has a big ego ;)


and big traffic to match :)

this sums it up.

:1orglaugh at abyss_al and wargames

so?

'Cell Phone' didn't exist until the first company produced one, does that mean they own the term 'cell phone' ???

Chripes man, it's a generic term.

Stop being so godamn selfish and petty. You're going to alienate a lot of webmasters with networks that spread beyond 'busty amateur boobs' targets.

I've used that term quite a few times for other sites...

Sorry man, I agree with you most of the time, BUT...






also consider this point...


You BY YOURSELF (or your company) did not BRAND this domain entirely.

Once you open it up to affliates THEY infact did, I'm sure, a huge part of the branding. No matter how big you are, you can not, nor ever will own the entire Interweb...affiliates control domains on geography that's just mind numbing, putting your links up on bazillions of pages is what branded your domain into something worth searching for. Sure you BUILDING the product in the first place gave 'yall' something to brand, without it they could just brand 'big bobo boobie pages dot com'


The way I look at it, once a domain is opened up to affiliates they are part owners in the branding process, so why focus on crying about it like Steve & others. You have mad skills, hardware, coders, employees, etc....go out there and BEAT those spots....DO EEET, quit crying about loosing top spots on 'your' brand.


I would never promote a program that was stingy with their 'brand' or would not allow me to use their domain name in my promotions, nor would most people I know. Sure ultimately you own the brand, but how is it that you can't see that these fish are just helping you continue the branding process.


Is 50% or 60% a cut too high for you to payout to these people working their asses of to push your product/brand?

Simple, redo your math and lower your payouts if you must.

:pimp

so who owned the keyword before your site was out? i gaurantee google didnt return 0 results for the keyword. you are forgetting that google doesnt care about your site name. it helps that you have the domain, but google still uses it's own algorithm. notice the number one result for "busty amateur boobs" isnt for your site? half of the results dont even promote your site.

Obviously they werent targeting your site but they are ranked well.

if your site name was unique, you wouldnt find many listings going else where. the reason 6/10 links go elsewhere is because you arent unique enough (branded well)

AAAH ha so that's what this is all about.

better your site, or, leave it the way you think it should be for the niche and let the reviewers give thumbs down, big deal, there are thousands of sources for traffic online, find them and stop crying.

You use NATS... Just shave them for what you think they deserve :)

If they were, would you have started this thread?

Apparently you DON'T HAVE it or you wouldn't be annoy


but yeh, I can imagine the pain, go take some of that profit and hire some Trax or WG like people to get that traffic you 'HAVE' back

:thumbsup :pimp

lots of text here....

If you don't want traffic well that's fine to me......

i say whoever it is, you cancel the fuckers account!


edit: one hunnie

how are things? everything ok? got icq?

This is specifically what I was speaking to, I disagree with the rest of TheDoc's assertions. In fact, basically this is why we have affiliate programs so guys who are better at that than we are can get us the traffic.

However, it is possible to swipe a domain name in AdWords and so a surfer types in my exact domain name and is directed to an affiliates adwords page which resides above our actual page yet claims our exact domain.

Stop whining you little bitch!

The only thing sucky is when someone gets the top spot and then sells it... Actually I have a ton of Yahoo top spots, anyone buying?

Well that's the issue, innit? I am NOT speaking about review sites or SE optimized galelries, I'm talking abotu people using a site's domain name in their adwords profile.

The fact is if they thought of it before we did, we kind of have to pay, don't we? That's the tough call.

I hate to OUT you man, but FYI to any program owners, this dude is a freaking traffic whore...

:warning

thanks to the affiliates.

and i would say an overture score of 2962 being "branded rather well" would be an overstatement. i have #1 spots on terms with 50x that score and the person who runs the program was happy and was eager to have me review more of their sites.

things are good. yes, fine. yes, i do.

:)
lol
email in sig btw :)

This is the one part that I am not sure I agree with. If "busty amateur boobs" was so uniquely identified with your site wouldn't those surfer who know the "busty amateur boobs" brand just type in your domain rather than use the SEs? In the case of a site having a less generic name say "tnvgirls.com" I agree that the search term term "tnv girls" is so specific that they have a 'claim' on the name.

I have some sites that I have intentionally used the sponsors site name in my domain. I spoke to them before I even launched the site to make sure they were comfortable with it and did not cancel my account. I have even gone so far as to request written permission. I have never had a sponsor refuse the request although I have had a sponsor tell me they would only allow it if I used the site to exclusively promote their sites. Sounds fair to me.

i will take his traffic please


jk doc

You guys are so lost and in your own world. Just reading most of your comments make me laugh so hard, just seeing how many have no idea they are talking about, really gets me laughing.


I did 100 sales a day before review sites, once I had them I till did 100 a day. But now, for the same damn traffic / sales, I pay out 30% more because they ripped off the branding, on the sehahaha8217;s I built.

I love rabbits reviews, I remember when they first reviewed us. They added us and we got a few says a day up to 5 or so daily.. It was nice. Then they got listed in google/yahoo, and the amount of sales he got shot up and the in-house sales went down, yet together overall I lost about 20% of my sales, because the review sites send them off to other sites. At this point his checks shot up, yet I now net LESS money.

The keywords hahaha8220;busty amateur boobshahaha8221;, and so on, in overture, had zero search results the first few months of us opening the site. Meaning people didnhahaha8217;t go to the search engines and type in those keywords, even though if you did it would return results anyway. So ithahaha8217;s not like someone else built the branding, we did. Not the webmasters, we did. Years before we had webmasters.

People starting to undertstand yet?

the paysites that really get the raw end of the stick in review site scenario are not those that get a bad score. its those who's keyword is most popular.
'busty amateur boobs' is not a big keyword. chances are you're getting many times more traffic from review sites which initially comes from SEs through keywords like 'big naturals' and 'busty adventures' to name a few.

i dont agree that lack of hardcore should penalize a paysite. we don't.

and you have every right to provide whichever product you feel makes you the most money. but review site's job is to take the consumers pov. so your options are:

1. refuse reviews
2. use them to improve your product and compete against other sites
3. status quo, but then don't complain :)

I haven't had my program open that long, I built the branding. We have had DVD's for years, before we had webmasters. We built the damn branding.

He sure is complaining about it...

Review sites are good, they (mostly) give good, honest views on sites and whats good and whats not. It pushes us to provide a better site all the time.

lol overture numbers are bullshit.

it says some major site names werent even searched last month. do an adword test to see real impressions.

interesting how perspectives on things shift in time...

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We do refuse new review sites, we don't kill current webmasters for something I allowed. We can't really improve much more. Size/volume/revshare program, members seem to stay pretty happy and not bitch about content/updates, which is what most review sites nail us on.

You kind of make my point, if the traffic "started off" looking for score-land in google, found your site at the #1 or #2 slot, didn't like your review, then found my review and joined, yeah, it's not really fair. However, if it was a standard visitor hitting your site, maybe they thought they wanted score but found they liked my site, then so be it, fair fight for the traffic.

I understand the person may not have joined score anyway, but they could have, and I just ripped it from them. I don't find it fair.

I do see both ways guys :)

ever think about the fact that there are better sites now... and thats why your sales have not increased over time....... and its not because of your affiliates

Gee you think? So why don't you be a big man, ban all new review sites that "steal" your wonderful keyphrase, but give back the THOUSANDS of type-in sales you've gotten over the years due 100% to your gallery submitters. Then you can say you keep it fair, otherwise you look like a complete tool.

My sales have increased over time, and not because of my webmasters, I have more inhouse sales daily than I have ever had on EGC. You have no idea who I am, and even what I do, please go away.