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aico

I didn't say to stop Child Support. I just said the women I know don't use it for their Child. So maybe there should be a new system to ensure that the money is actually going to the child, rather than Nordstroms, and if that were the case I think more men would be willing to pay without the problems.

I should also point out that the fathers of those women's children, on top of the child support, pay for things for their child(ren) when they need it, because they know that the support doesn't go to them, but by law are forced to waste that money.

So maybe your question is why are so many women fucking bitches when it comes to Child Support?

chadglni

Hmm lets see 2k for 2 people that would leave $1500 for one person. Sounds about right to me.

C_U_Next_Tuesday

If i got $350 a month for child support and I contributed $350 also... it still wouldnt be enough to raise a child for a month.

Bottom line is if you dont want the responsibility of a child, Watch who you stick your dick in or who you spread your legs for.

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GatorB

No shit fucktard. So when is the father responsible for 100%?

Ok say the mother living by herself would pay say $800 a month for rent ( just a # so don't get anal over it ) ok she has the kid so now she needs 2 bedroom which is $1000 a month. Ok so that's an extra $200 a month 50% of which SHE should be responsible for don't you think? But everyone think dad should pay for it all. Dad is not responsible for MOM's bills.

Also funny how you are so pissed some kid didn't get his $350 from daddy but you say NOTHING about ME also a single parent not getting MY share of child support other to say I'm a retard. Funny how when it's woman that is not supporting her child you let that pass.



I'm a joke. Who in the fuck are you? Please. Get real. Unless someone died and made you GOD then you're no better than anyone else.

chadglni

God damn you idiots have a fucked up view of the world. What do you think the mother should just stick all of the bills aside until the child support check shows up? "Hey son, you can eat a months worth of food today, momma got her check!" They pay the shit out of pocket DAILY and it's usually well over the amount of the check so who gives a flying fuck what she spends the exact money on. Kids are a constant bill.

GatorB

Boy I'd like to know what one of those child support checks look like. You know some of us dads are out there raising the kid while momma smokes meth and fucks whoever.

eroswebmaster

[QUOTE=GatorB]No shit fucktard. So when is the father responsible for 100%?

Ok say the mother living by herself would pay say $800 a month for rent ( just a # so don't get anal over it ) ok she has the kid so now she needs 2 bedroom which is $1000 a month. Ok so that's an extra $200 a month 50% of which SHE should be responsible for don't you think? But everyone think dad should pay for it all. Dad is not responsible for MOM's bills.

Also funny how you are so pissed some kid didn't get his $350 from daddy but you say NOTHING about ME also a single parent not getting MY share of child support other to say I'm a retard. Funny how when it's woman that is not supporting her child you let that pass.

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You're not even worth the time man...taking care of a kid I figured you'd at least get the costs associated with being a kid.

You can't tell me that most if not all of your income goes to providing for you and your son..that if he was never born things wouldn't be much cheaper for you...Jesus man...lay off the sauce, or whatever it is that makes you strap on the tin foil hat as soon as you log onto gfy.

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Webby

Exactly chadglni!

Plus they look after the kids, run em back and forth from school and all the other activities. Then listen to their problems and clean the shit up after them.

Amounts like $350 are a joke. You could not employ a maid or nanny for that money.

Odd how ya hear the moms are on drugs, utter bitches, can't clothe their kids etc. Me smells a relationship problem

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You first make a blanket statement about men being horrible then make a blanket statement about how women are all great.

This board isn't as hostile as it use to be and I'm not sure I can say what I want to say but lets just say bite me.

This man paid over 100,000 in child support. I ate spam and hot dogs for five years while my X bought nice clothes and a huge home. It didn't cost $1100 a month for two kids in the south. It just didn't, unless you figure in college cost, then it makes sense. Guess what, my kinds have no money for school. And you know what, my kids hate me cause their mother told them I didn't pay my child support. That woman ruined my like. She's a pathological liar and is mentally ill yet the court had no idea how hard paying that support was.

Not paying the support is not the right thing to do. You gotta pay. But as for that 40K number, that's according to your sister. My X constantly lied about me. I have a feeling your sister is liar too.

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chadglni

Nice woman you chose to be your kids mother then idiot.

eroswebmaster

LOL show me where I said women are all great.

And as far as my sister being a liar about what is owed...ONCE AGAIN AND WITH FEELING. I have been financially supporting these kids whether they lived with me or not for going on 13 years now.

In the beginning that support wasn't as much as it was a few years later the first time they all came and lived with me...so I know approximately what is owed..and I know what approximately has been paid.

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aico

Anytime you want to take an I.Q. Test and compare results you let me know.

And the women I am referring to are spending the money on themselves, on shoes, getting their nails done, the spa, and aren't spending it on the child.

Sorry I didn't make the more clear, just figure someone with and average intelligence would understand what I was saying. Next time I'll be sure to spell it all out for you so you don't feel like a complete moron for not understanding the points made.

It's called "Child Support", not "Mother Support". If she can't take care of herself and the child, maybe she should have taken custody.

Webby

Sheesh!!!

I see the "hopeless defense syndrome" setting in. Yea.. I got disabilities (can't do brain surgeries) and depression (when ya hear of humans like him!).

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this has been an interesting thread...LOL
I commend those who have taken care of their own...and continue to do so.

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C_U_Next_Tuesday

Then give your self a pat on the back and be proud instead of bitter..your kid needs you, not the meth head or her troubles that come with it.

GatorB

Of course I have cost associated with my son. When I buy food half of that cost is mine. I do not expect my ex to pay for MY food. Just HALF of what it cost to feed my son. If I never had my son I'd still paying rent somewhere. Sure lower cost because I'd have a one bedroom. I don't expect my ex to pay HALF my rent when I'd be paying 80% of that amount anyways if I enver had kids. Just half of the extra cost. I buy clothes for me and my son. I don't expect my ex to pay for MY clothes just half of what it cost to clothe my son.

You make my point. I'd would have costs if I never had kids. You can't live for free. So I only expect my ex to only pay for her share of the extra expense of having a child and nothing more.

Webby

There is little doubt the vast majority of mothers (and fathers!) take good care of their children.

The exceptions may not be so rare, but they apply to both women and men.

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GatorB

She wasn't that way when we met. Anyways we all make mistakes in relationships. Tell me you've never been involved with the wrong person. I guess if your woman ever cheated on you that's YOUR fault because your were an idiot for being involevd with a cheater.

chadglni

You still don't get it. As long as the mother takes care of the child as needed she can do whatever the fuck she wants with the child support check. The bills are going to be well over the amount of the check in most cases but they are paid DAILY not whenever a fucking check shows up. Mother spends $1000 a month taking care of kid(s) but takes the $350 child support check to the fucking casino then woopity shit.

PS my IQ is in the 150's which has absolutely nothing to do with this topic. Common sense is far more useful in grasping the English language and comprehending how things work.

eroswebmaster

LOL I made your point?..show me where I said they should pay more?

Jeez dude...my point has been ALL ALONG that if a court orders you to pay 15-30% that's less than what you would be paying if the kid lilved with you...for most people that's a fact.

My brother in law is required to pay $350 a month...has been for years now.
That does not cover the costs associated with raising two girls, never has.

If they lived with him those costs would be considerably more...YOU CANNOT DENY THAT.

Can't you look at your own expenses and figure this shit out?

You trying to tell me that if your kid was living with your ex *let's say she's 100% okay* and all you were required to pay is $350-$500 a month that would be more than if the kid lived with you?

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chadglni

I was just being argumentative rather than respond to your emotional post that was completely misdirected. I assumed you would understand that if I think men should handle business when the mother has custody that I feel the same when the father has custody. Priorities should be 100% kids if that means starving yourself for 18 years.

aico

No you still don't get it, it's called "CHILD SUPPORT" the money is to go to the child, you are not paying to support the mother, you are paying to support the child. If I pay "Car Issurance" I expect all that money to go to insuring my car.

The mother is not suppose to say "well, I paid $400 this month on my kid, and here is my $400 child support check, so I will spend that on myself, since I already spent $400 on the child"

And IQ has everything to do with a guy who keeps calling everyone an idiot... Ya, sure, 150's, my ass... and I bet you have an 8" cock too.

Webby

When ya look hard, it's kinda transparent why their may have been "relationship problems" with parents.

Wiping aside possible core reasons for divorces and any warped views which may inevitably arise from that, - odds are, there was a fundamental problem from the start in establishing a real relationship and it just continues thru with stuff like paying child support.

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chadglni

And something everyone is overlooking is that the laws were written when women took care of the kids by staying home, cooking, cleaning, etc. I 100% believe that a child should be raised at home rather than daycare and a divorce doesn't change my opinion. Regardless of how shitty someone treated me I would still want them to be home with my kid(s) if they had custody. That would mean paying far more than any court ordered child support, same as Donny does. Everyone yelling that the person with custody should be paying 50% would just toss the kid(s) into someone elses care which once again screws the kid(s).

GatorB

I'm not bitter. I was pissed at the insuation that only women raise their kids and all deadbeat parents are men. I'm also pissed that people insinuate if a guy doesn't give a certain amount of child support he is somehow a bad father. My friend has 3 kids and pay $450 a month in child support. To some that's not enough. Well he makes $7 an hour. How is supposed to live? In order for a parent to support a child they need to work which means they need a place to live and they have to eat and clothe themselves have a vehicle. That's shit isn't free. It's amazing if kids are livng poor and mom doesn't work and get welfare and ffodstamps it's somehow DADs fault. It's 2006 mom can get a job.

Don't see me at the welfare office. I also have private health insurance for my kid thru Blue Cross which I pay $96 a month for and I get $166.66 taken out of my checking account every month to go into my son's education IRA. I get that ammount taken out because it's the max you can put into an education IRA( $2000 a year ). Not all of us dad deadbeats and I hate the insinuation.

chadglni

Nope 6 or so, what's the matter your IQ in the 130's so I fucked up your virtual dick measurements? I don't care if you were Einstein level genius you have the common sense of a turnip. Child support isn't like a fucking insurance payment on your car, it's to help the person with custody take care of your kid(s). You tell me where the fuck you can raise a kid for $400 a month.

chadglni

$7 an hour times 80 to 100 hours per week is plenty to take care of his kids properly.

GatorB

Even if you're right doesn't matter. If a father was living with the child he be paying for ONE household not 2. In a pefect world the non custodial parents make $100K a year or more and are able to fully support themselves and their kids. I'm dealing with realities. A kid getting $350 is better off than getting ZERO $ because dad got fired because he didn't have reliable transportation.

It seemed to me that at the start of the thread the issue was the fact he paid ZERO. Then it turned into men are eveil deadbeats. Paying NOTHING when you are supoposed to pay something and feeling that what a non custodial parent is required to pay is not enough are 2 completely different issues. Choose which one you want to discuss.

If my ex paid me $350 a month I would not bitch.

Once again if my ex had my kid I'd have him every weekend and 10 weeks in the summer, nothing less. Doing the math, that would mean he was in my custody 42% of the time. None of that 42% would she be required to give me a dime and somehow I'd still have to give her child support in the summer even though he's in MY custody. Is that even logical?

C_U_Next_Tuesday

and I get pissed that all guys tend to group the women who work in adult as whores and sluts.. but hey we cant have it all our way can we.

Been there done that.. when I met my hubby, he was making $6 an hour, had to pay $400 A month for one child. He sometimes didnt have electricity, he sometimes didnt eat...he didnt have a phone, and didnt have money to even enjoy his child when she could be with him..He was over $12,000 in back support cause the old "you cant see your kid but you still have to pay" game was being played. the mom on the other hand enjoyed trips to europe w/ kids, got a big inheritance 6 years ago, went on cruises and scuba trips.. BTW she was getting child support from two guys..till she trapped guy number two into marriage.. it was much cheaper for him to keep her in the house and know where his son was at than to deal with her antics.

I let him claim me and our kids together for his taxes for a few years because it was helping knock out his back child support. The bitch had the balls to call up and ask what she would be getting one year so she could plan her vacation and we would be taking care of the daughter ..talk about a kick in the teeth..

I now have a daughter that looks at her dad as a loser because he wont pay for her Tuiton and spending money while she is partying in college..yet this man put aside many a vacation with me and our family together to do for this child.. he always paid child support when she lived with us every summer..he always paid for the plane tickets to visit us..he over paid $2200 when all was said and done.. and he still got shit on in the long run.

I never asked for support from the father of my now 16 year old, needless to say he died when the boy was 8..but I never recieved a fucking dime from him and didnt want to..I was proud to have done it on my own.

Not everyone on here thinks all guys are dead beat dads.. every situation is different... I think what Eros was meaning to imply dead beat parents of both sexes SUCK!

GatorB

He's lucky to have the job he has. When unemplomewnt around here( and the surrounding counties ) get under 10% they have a party. I'm not shitting you. Well in May the new Wal-Mart Supercenter opens so 200 more job available for him.

Also there are only 168 in a week. 8 hours sleep X 7 days is 56 hours. He is supposed to have some contact with kids right? 2 days on the week-ends? 32 hours( 48 hours-16 hours of sleep aready accounted for ) hours. Getting ready for work and going to and from work. Say another 8 hours a week for 5 days. Of course there is taking care of daily shit. Buying groceires, fixing meals, paying bills, running errands, cleaning house, washing dishes, clothes etc etc. At least 12 more hours a week. Is he entitled rest any in your world or is he suppose to die of a heart attack before his kids graduate high school?

Sly

So a mans personal life and well-being should be overlooked so that his ex-Princess can live the life she dreamt of? That's fantastic that Donny and Puff Daddy and any other more successful guy can give their ex and children a great deal of financial support, but the reality is, those guys make up less than 10% of the population.

At various times I see people on this board talk about how difficult and expensive it is raising children and I'm always extremely amazed at what I read. In fact, I'm quite insulted on my parents behalf. My parents divorced when I was 6, my brothers were 2 and 1. They received split custody, meaning I lived with both parents during different points of the week. My parents both had blue collar jobs. So, we have 2 single people raising 3 young boys, it was like I had 2 different lives. Yeh, money was always pretty tight, we didn't get to do a lot of the fun "extra" things most other kids did. But if you ask me, I turned out fucking great and both of my brothers are doing very well too.

This was just another weird tangant to add to all of the other weird tangants in this thread. My point is simply, one man should not have to give up his whole life to raise his kid or kids. There are many ways to make things work. Expecting him to pay a sizable percentage of his income is absolutely ridiculous if it means that he can't feed himself. I have known people on both sides of the situation, and I have known people who have the perfect child support solution setup. There is no "one size fits all" in life, child support is certainly no different.

Money does not make someone a good parent nor does it guarantee a good childhood.

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$7 an hour is not enough to take care of himself let alone 3 kids. Sorry man, but he needs to get a 2nd and possibly 3rd job in order to do just that.

Wouldn't he have to somehow come up with that money if they were living with him? Goes back to my point...that you can bitch all you want about having to pay only $450 a month when it would be much more if they were living with him.

Of course that $450 would be applied to their food costs, clothing costs, housing costs, etc..etc..etc...but then there are the more subtle costs that I know you experience that are "unexpcted."

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Again, let me apologize for not being more clear... the $400 was just a number I used to make it more simple for you to understand, wasn't a figure from any stastic or what someone I know is paying...

No actually my IQ is 148 by the Stanford-Binet classification and 172 by the Cattel... let me guess you don't know what either is... imagine that.

GatorB

WTF does that have ANYTHING ot do with my post? Where did I even bring up women in adult?

This is the title of this thread "Why are men such idiots when it comes to child support? "

eroswebmaster

You bring up some good points but you also point out that both of your parents were working.

That's not always the case, you could very well be the exception rather than the rule.

And why are you offended for your parents just because I state that it's financially difficult to raise two teen girls...you say there is no one size fits all...well your view of what blue collar middle class lifestyle or pay, may not be exactly what the rest of the world's view may be.

Those on this board speaking of their difficulties may very well be making comparatively less than what your parents made, or once again maybe there is only the one income vs two.

And you say you turned out fine...I would have to disagree..one word NICKELBACK.

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Because in my personal experience I have dealt with ONLY men who have bitched and complained about having to pay child support for their kids.

Not once have I ever had a woman complain to me that she has to pay child support.

Not saying I have never heard of a dead beat mom..sure there are some out there.

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GatorB

His ex is a LPN who makes $18 and hour which quite a lot around here. If they were still together no he wouldn't be paying more. Her and his incomes combined would be more than sufficiant for around here. And he wouldn't have to pay for a place for himself and a place for his kids because they be in the same house. So that one household not 2. Her new hubby by they doesn't work AT ALL. So makes me wonder where that $450 is really going.

Now the fact that my friend is a retard and put himself into a position where he only makes $7 a hour is another issue.

C_U_Next_Tuesday

If you would put down the defenses for a second you would see that I was referring to the insinuations that I hate as to compared to the insinuations that you hate..we cant all have it our way... the two subjects only have one thing in common.. they are both insinuations... so ease up killer

It seems to me you just want to argue where no one is throwing any argument your way...

Dead beat parents of both sexes suck... and I am sure Eros would agree. Maybe its because he is dealing with one particular dead beat dad, his thread was worded the way it was.

But hey, as long as its productive to keep arguing go for it

C_U_Next_Tuesday

You sure are wrapped up in YOUR FRIENDS life...

GatorB

Maybe you should listen more carefully. Any man that would complain about having to help support child they helped bring into this world are fucked in the head. I'm sure some men do do this. I think it's more that the ammount and how the funds are being used. I'm sure most dads would be happy to give their kids $5000( that's $5K ) a month in child support if they could, but you can't can't get blood from a turnip as the saying goes.

My ex sure doesn't. Have you ever met a woman that was require to pay child support?

Yeah I know of at least one.

Around here you'd be surprised how many there are. Not that the father have them either. A great deal of kids being raised by grandaprents and BOTH parents are deadbeats.

GatorB

Well he's my friend and well yes I have to hear about it. ALL THE TIME. His kids and my kid are friends. No better entertainment than watching to a divoced couple with kids fight over shit.

eroswebmaster

It's the same kind of stuff I'm hearing in this thread.

"I pay $400 a month and she's spending it on bowling with friends!"

As if that $400 a month is allowing her and the kids to live like royalty.

That $400 a month gets spent one way or another taking care of those kids, it's just that the guys I think are fed up thinking they are broke while the ex gets to play.

Or that they use this as a way of controlling their ex, or it becomes yet another game...just like it has around here with my brother in law.

Like I said this guy owes about $40K in child support, and if he sends $100 to the kids, he then spends 15 minutes lecturing my sister or my nieces that the money is supposed to go to them and only them...not us...LOL...when most of my money goes to providing support for them..that $100 wouldn't even pay the cable bill.

I have had too many dumb ass friends, and acquaintances, step sisters and their exes and seen this same scenario played out far too often.

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GatorB

If you made that more clear there wouldn't have been a problem

Quite the opposite. In my idea world no one argues EVER. Everyone gets along.

Listen if I made a thread titled "All women in adult are sluts and whores" then I said I didn't mean it that way, what would you say? Be honest.

Sly

I've seen people say a yearly income of $50k isn't enough to raise one child. :-)

Yes, there were 2 incomes as a whole but each parent only had access to their personal income. The other parents income had absolutely no bearing on the others. Mom had to pay rent, electricity, car, food, "stuff", etc. Dad did too. Like I said, it was essentially 2 different lives I had. The only one thing less was insurance, my mom didn't have to pay for our insurance because we were covered under my dad... and maybe you could consider food because we only ate with each parent half of the week. But still, overall, only one income.

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No, you're right, $400 a month isn't unreasonable at all so long as the kids aren't suffering and the mom is out bowling. If the kids are suffering and mom is out bowling, somebody somewhere isn't taking their "job" as a parent seriously. Can you disagree with that?

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Yeah like I said some people's views are skewed, and some people live above their means...$50K a year would be sufficient if you lived within your means. I've made it work for far less...but god damn man it gets tiring when you have those lean times and there is an abled bodied father out there who just won't help out..and so gator doesn't blow a gasket...Mothers too.

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I know women who get child support and don't pay no where near that amount themselves in supporting the kids. Many get on welfare. Well that means I( the taxpayer ) is supporting the kids not her.

Sorry any parent getting child support and complains it's not enough but has enough money to buy cigs and beer, well sorry they don't get my sympathy.