ARS - Main reason for the 0:7000 ratios - GoFuckYourself.com

Webmaster101 · 04-06-2002, 07:08 PM

'Nuff said....make your fucking vote please. Thx.

04-06-2002, 07:13 PM

i'm on 1:235 on gallery traffic, dunno what your problem is....

redshift · 04-06-2002, 07:16 PM

Every fucking newbie in the world pushes ARS

Webmaster101 · 04-06-2002, 07:16 PM

me either...using targetted, filtered, prequalified FPA traffic...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

angelsofporn · 04-06-2002, 07:43 PM

1:90 here ,any problems i usually call them up in Vegas and they situate things pretty quickly.
I have some super qualified traffic for Voyeur Dorm that does 1:90 consistently and I used ARS...I noticed that Fantasyman pays 5 bucks more per SU so i switched all my codes from ARS to FMP gave it a week and coverted 0/3000...i dont know if it was the FMP tour or what but i switched them back to ARS and 5 mins later Su's started up again....dont know if it was shaving or what but ARS has been good by me.

Za Ha · 04-06-2002, 07:44 PM

I used to be shit at converting now I am at a constant 1:450

Webmaster101 · 04-06-2002, 07:54 PM

I have no idea whats up...I was a steady 1:100-150 for months...then all a sudden, everything goes to the shitter.

I use the same method of advertising for other sponsors and they are currently 1:50-1:150

Gary · 04-06-2002, 08:22 PM

1/500 here. Anyone who converts at 1/7000 couldnt market a glass of water to a thirsty man.

On some of their sites im converting under 1/100

sasush · 04-06-2002, 09:00 PM

i'm a newbie at ARS
ratio
1:271

gallery's

Wildman · 04-06-2002, 09:51 PM

I Vote:

E. You are crap! Everyone else does just Fine

FlyingIguana · 04-06-2002, 11:18 PM

i used to convert good with adult movie station. then it just went to shit and i've yet to have a decent ratio with that site.

everything else is about the same.

Lightning · 04-06-2002, 11:21 PM

Theres no choice for All of the above?..

AWC · 04-06-2002, 11:51 PM

The last week of the year I had a gallery listed on The Hun promoting All Petite and had 15 signups. I created my own tour and sent the filtered traffic direct to the join page.

Last month, I had a similar gallery listed on The Hun linked to the same tour... ARS showed ZERO signups.

I bailed from ARS.

wizardmerlin · 04-06-2002, 11:56 PM

Ars is wierd like that. You either love it or hate it!!!!! I love them.

Exxxotica · 04-06-2002, 11:57 PM

You are still is still using ARS after how fucking long? If I werent about to go watch TV, Id dig up your posts from last year.

The ones where you bitch about how poor ARS converts.

Dam bro... push another sponsor!!! Hit the current hot ones... freeezine bucks, ox cash shit, or nasty dollars.

or my favorite... Vivid Video!!!

Exxxotica · 04-07-2002, 12:01 AM

IMO... ARS sites look like every other site out there. Nothing catchy to make the surfer pull out his credit card.

FlyingIguana · 04-07-2002, 12:25 AM

vivid still pay 35 bux per active member?

Lexxx · 04-07-2002, 02:40 AM

way too overpromoted.... but the new sites they keep adding make up for that... I don't get how allpetite can stay the (one of) most selling site for more than a year now... ARS was a program that EVERYBODY pushed a year ago... now, ppl have a lot of similar programs to choose from, so the conversions should have gone up...

ZapMan · 04-07-2002, 03:25 AM

You forgot one option in your poll. You fucking suck at what you do and you need to go away and stop saturating my business. If you knew what you were doing you wouldn't get 1:7000

Aussie Rebel · 04-07-2002, 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Exxxotica
IMO... ARS sites look like every other site out there. Nothing catchy to make the surfer pull out his credit card.

Yes I agree but most of the big money making sites all need redoing it's getting stale

RaGe · 04-07-2002, 03:41 AM

Post what sites you guys are getting those ratios with.. I'm sure it has something to do with it. All Petite for example, is DEFINATLY over-advertised.. every surfer and his brother has seen a few AP ads. But they have like 60+ sites, so there are a few others in there which would convert much better..

Part of ARS's problem is Ibill I think, just check out the ARS forums. Lots of people posting one week how they dropped from 60 su's per week to like 5 to 10.. not just one person, but quite a few.. nothing should make it drop like that in just a week.

Michael O · 04-07-2002, 06:50 AM

For the last 3 months I´ve been doing 1:500-600 execpt for the 2 weeks where I at 1:3000

But overall I love them ;)

Sloane · 04-07-2002, 07:40 AM

I cant convert ARS with TGP traffic...yet my other sponsors are fine with TGP.
But ARS does extremely well with SE traffic. I guess the TGP surfers have seen it all before.

sasush · 04-07-2002, 08:52 AM

Adult Movie Station 1318 992 0 0:992 $0.00

thats my today gallery traffic.

WTF ?

bunky · 04-07-2002, 09:07 AM

when i used ars i was gettin 1:245

dunno whats up now though

bunky

ldinternet · 04-07-2002, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Adult Movie Station 1318 992 0 0:992 $0.00

thats my today gallery traffic.

WTF ?

i sent 6 raw clicks to ars and didn't get a sale!

what the fuck!

angelsofporn · 04-07-2002, 09:30 AM

What about Maxcash...I get 1:90 for most of my sponsors but maxcash i send the same type of traffic and its like 1:2000...anyone do well with these guys?

eroswebmaster · 04-07-2002, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RaGe
All Petite for example, is DEFINATLY over-advertised.. every surfer and his brother has seen a few AP ads.

Out of all of ARS' sites I promote AllPetite exclusively and for March my ratio was 1:70

For April so far it's 1:157 (was higher but continues to drop and will drop consistently until the endof the month) but the only reason it's that high...
it's not because of Ibill, it's not because of Jettis...it's not because Mard De's signup monkey was out eating banannas it's because my hosting gave me a bunch of shit around the end of last month and I had to change hosting...so my archived galleries and fpas were up and down.

I don't think there's some big conspiracy...all these companies ARS, IBILL etc make money by us making sales. It is not in their best interest to fuck over webmasters. Not saying it has NEVER happened but it is unlikely.

I solved my problems by studying and analyzing any and every gallery I could find and I began to see patterns in so called successful galleries.

I also had friends continuously critique my templates etc until I found a style that not only made the tgp owners happy but sent surfers to my fpa.

Anyway since I started doing this I have seen my sales increase steadily since February.

I think it all boils down to change. Try to keep things fresh...and with ars you can do that by using fpas.

My fpas change weekly...I don't want the surfer getting used to seeing the same old content over and over...that's the whole idea of using your own fpa.

jojojo · 04-07-2002, 01:13 PM

ARS and tgp traffic always fluctuates for me..

SO if ARS sux for tgp traffic - who is better to use (big programs)

thanks

ez12 · 04-07-2002, 01:27 PM

I still make good sales with ARS it's TopBucks & trafficcashgold that don't work for me. TrafficCahGold I can understand they shave but Topbucks wel maybe they do to (0:800) isn't as bad as your shitty conversion but still pretty bad.

sasush · 04-07-2002, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sasush
Adult Movie Station 1318 992 0 0:992 $0.00

thats my today gallery traffic.

WTF ?

Its

0:1364

now !

Sexymail · 04-07-2002, 04:59 PM

You freaks, why keep using a sponsor that you know isnt working for you? You think your ratio is going to get better all of a sudden out of the blue? wrong, try something else!

oh yeah, and BTW, that idiot that locked my thread yesterday, I would love to know how the program i was promoting is old news, since it is still in beta you you asshole

amadman · 04-07-2002, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by eroswebmaster

I don't think there's some big conspiracy...all these companies ARS, IBILL etc make money by us making sales. It is not in their best interest to fuck over webmasters. Not saying it has NEVER happened but it is unlikely.

I dont know... not talking about any one sponsor but...

Just think if you could get thousands of people to send traffic to a fpa of yours and keep all of the money made.

Sounds like a good deal dont it?

So, I cant believe for a minute that there isnt people out there who think of affiliats as a trafic source for their popups instead of for making signups on thier sites.

Of coarse the smart ones would throw out some bones once in a while to keep em guessing.

kush · 04-07-2002, 07:51 PM

ARS can be very inconsistent with signups - but overall I'm pleased.

The Hun · 04-08-2002, 05:22 AM

I'd have to vote 'none of the above' though I do agree with the pole. the reason they're responsible for those low conversions is that people learn who they are...

Surfers are not stupid. Some people here seem to think they are though, but how often would you click on a banner when you know that clicking it will get in a loop of advertising consoles? And give an honest answer please! I'm pretty sure you will not click anymore. Why do people here assume that surfers will continue clicking then? I don't get it.

Funny to see so many people bitch and moan about dropping conversions and at the same time show no respect to the surfer. Any business, Internet or 'real world' needs customers. Our customers are the surfers. And they should be treated like customers...

Marc De · 04-08-2002, 09:08 AM

That is a pretty amusing analyzation coming from the person who could possibly be responsible for distributing the most free porn on the internet. Why would you go to a grocery store that charges for food if there is one next door that is giving it away.

Your theory works if people are complaining about declining clicks. However, this thread is about declining ratios. That means that people are clicking, they just aren't buying. My theory of you giving away our product as a helpful cause in lower sales productivity is much more logical.

I guess we just see 2 different ends of the spectrum. You look to be 'respectful' to our possible customers by giving them stuff and I see trying to get them to purchase something. We offer consoles give to give more choices and to make the traffic more productive. Consoles actually INCREASE sales...

Blondy · 04-08-2002, 09:20 AM

you sound a litlle cranky ;)

eroswebmaster · 04-08-2002, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Blondy
you sound a litlle cranky ;)

But he has a point.

either way I see another huge thread coming

Uncle Vinny · 04-08-2002, 10:00 AM

Everyone seems to forget that part of the resposibilty for the sale falls on the sponser...if a sponser can't convert your traffic, then you need a new sponser.
If you're sending bullshit traffic, ie: blind clicks and such, then expect low conversions from all sponsers..but if you send qualified traffic, surfers that click sponser links (and they know it's a sponser link) then it's up to the sponser to convert that sale.

FlyingIguana · 04-08-2002, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Uncle Vinny
Everyone seems to forget that part of the resposibilty for the sale falls on the sponser...if a sponser can't convert your traffic, then you need a new sponser.
If you're sending bullshit traffic, ie: blind clicks and such, then expect low conversions from all sponsers..but if you send qualified traffic, surfers that click sponser links (and they know it's a sponser link) then it's up to the sponser to convert that sale.

well said

eroswebmaster · 04-08-2002, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Uncle Vinny
Everyone seems to forget that part of the resposibilty for the sale falls on the sponser...if a sponser can't convert your traffic, then you need a new sponser.
If you're sending bullshit traffic, ie: blind clicks and such, then expect low conversions from all sponsers..but if you send qualified traffic, surfers that click sponser links (and they know it's a sponser link) then it's up to the sponser to convert that sale.

This is why I use my own fpa.

Uncle Vinny · 04-08-2002, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Marc De
That is a pretty amusing analyzation coming from the person who could possibly be responsible for distributing the most free porn on the internet. Why would you go to a grocery store that charges for food if there is one next door that is giving it away.

I think you're confused...almost every grocery store has them old farts standing around handing out free samples, and if you like what you try...you buy it.

Quote:

Your theory works if people are complaining about declining clicks. However, this thread is about declining ratios. That means that people are clicking, they just aren't buying. My theory of you giving away our product as a helpful cause in lower sales productivity is much more logical.

umm, confused again...if the clicks are qualified, then it's on you and your programmers to close the sale. The commercial gets the customer to your door..what you do next is up to you.

Quote:

I guess we just see 2 different ends of the spectrum. You look to be 'respectful' to our possible customers by giving them stuff and I see trying to get them to purchase something. We offer consoles give to give more choices and to make the traffic more productive. Consoles actually INCREASE sales...

This may be true, but your gonna piss off more people than you sell, what about the surfers who are close to buying...but maybe just a little nervous or scared..you piss them off and they wont be back.

FlyingIguana · 04-08-2002, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Uncle Vinny

I think you're confused...almost every grocery store has them old farts standing around handing out free samples, and if you like what you try...you buy it.

ya but they don't give u the whole turkey, just a small slice.

Uncle Vinny · 04-08-2002, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FlyingIguana

ya but they don't give u the whole turkey, just a small slice.

Exactly, a small slice=free sample...just like galleries at the Hun=free samples...there's no full length movies. Sure he gets some really good galleries, but they still only qualify as free samples.
again this is just my opinion, but in my opinion...I'm right.

Jakke PNG · 04-08-2002, 12:02 PM

Umm.. I think there's no such store that offers so many samples that you're all full and won't buy anything.. But hey! You can go back the next day and eat some more free samles, after all the store gets them for free from distrubutors that get them from free from the providers. Get my point?

Now, of to start a teen TGP.. not shitting you either.

Webmaster101 · 04-08-2002, 12:20 PM

Ok...I have to chime in now.

The Hun: Your method of salesmanship is much like that of the resteraunt business (which I have much experience), where you attempt to give the visitor a great fresh experience on every visit to keep them comming back for more. You probably make the majority of your income from paid advertising spots were joins and ratios don't really apply becuase you will get your money regardless. Due to your impressive volume of visitors, keeping them comming back usually requires that you give them the best porn (hardcore, movies, you name it) on the net with as little bullshit as possible. Thats how you make your money and in your shoes, I'd probably do the same. But, Marc has a valid point about your business and its affect on the industry. If joe surfer knows he can get it for free, he will not pay.

You can say that you can offer the surfer something he cannot find anywhere else and you will make a sale (the goal of every gallery submitted to your site), but with loads of quality paysite quality pornography dished out everyday for free, with no hassles involved, in every niche you can imagine...How can you expect others to make substantial profit without the use of things like consoles, etc?

Prime example: I've heard many stories of the old adult internet where money was made with relative ease and minimal advertising expertise. Nearly all of the major players claim the same thing about this time in the biz..."well..the surfer really had no were else to get it, or there was too much bs involved for them to get it without purchasing a membership." Compare that with how things are now and you can see that the majority of porn surfers know that if they try, they can find exactly what they are looking for without any price attachments or popup hells. This is attributed to not just The Hun.net, but every site out there trying to emulate your success.

Your style of business is great for you, but how does it contribute to the long term success of this industry as a whole?

FlyingIguana · 04-08-2002, 12:26 PM

giving away so much free porn is worse for the industry than the consoles ars has. the consoles aren't too bad, at least they don't crash ur browser. only a couple exit consoles anyways plus the small enter.

surfers are hit with consoles on a shitload of non-adult sites. as long as its not a zillion pop ups or funky change ur homepage crap the surfer is use to it.

FlyingIguana · 04-08-2002, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Uncle Vinny

Exactly, a small slice=free sample...just like galleries at the Hun=free samples...there's no full length movies. Sure he gets some really good galleries, but they still only qualify as free samples.
again this is just my opinion, but in my opinion...I'm right.

ya but if the surfer is looking for pics, he can get all he wants at a tgp. there's enough slices to feed the whole block

it doesn't help conversions at all, but thats just the environment we have to deal with now.

Hooterdog · 04-08-2002, 12:40 PM

Do you guys think the Hun is going to change what he's doing?
That would be rather stupid, don't you think?

Webmaster101 · 04-08-2002, 12:48 PM

Hehe, of course he won't change. The industry has spiraled into a hole where TGP is the norm that it will NEVER recover from. Becuase there will always be someone willing to post anything and everything to get the traffic, and someone else to submit it to get a piece of that traffic. I don't look for things to get better in this industry, I KNOW it will only get worse.

View Poll Results: ARS - Main reason for the 0:7000 ratios.
Ibill fucking sucks and scrubbs too much	32	26.02%
Too many fucking newbies saturating the product	29	23.58%
Customers have an underground boycott going and on any givin date will send out their newsletter to be sure no one buys from the ARS sites.	3	2.44%
ARS have the fucking leetest, most advance shave script in the business.	59	47.97%
Voters: 123. You may not vote on this poll

04-06-2002, 07:08 PM	#1
Webmaster101 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 113	ARS - Main reason for the 0:7000 ratios 'Nuff said....make your fucking vote please. Thx.

04-06-2002, 08:22 PM	#8
Gary Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kimmykims couch Posts: 6,110	1/500 here. Anyone who converts at 1/7000 couldnt market a glass of water to a thirsty man. On some of their sites im converting under 1/100 __________________ Up to 35$ per join...!

04-06-2002, 11:56 PM	#14
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04-07-2002, 03:25 AM	#19
ZapMan Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: in front of my computer Posts: 467	You forgot one option in your poll. You fucking suck at what you do and you need to go away and stop saturating my business. If you knew what you were doing you wouldn't get 1:7000 __________________ submit your sites to http://www.zap-man.com New Clean Galleries http://www.freesexpicsforyou.com

04-06-2002, 07:13 PM	#2
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	i'm on 1:235 on gallery traffic, dunno what your problem is....

04-06-2002, 07:16 PM	#3
redshift Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: anus fuckin' yo mama Posts: 1,044	Every fucking newbie in the world pushes ARS

04-06-2002, 07:43 PM	#5
angelsofporn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 3,218	1:90 here ,any problems i usually call them up in Vegas and they situate things pretty quickly. I have some super qualified traffic for Voyeur Dorm that does 1:90 consistently and I used ARS...I noticed that Fantasyman pays 5 bucks more per SU so i switched all my codes from ARS to FMP gave it a week and coverted 0/3000...i dont know if it was the FMP tour or what but i switched them back to ARS and 5 mins later Su's started up again....dont know if it was shaving or what but ARS has been good by me.

04-06-2002, 07:44 PM	#6
Za Ha Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Still lost Posts: 5,112	I used to be shit at converting now I am at a constant 1:450

04-06-2002, 07:54 PM	#7
Webmaster101 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 113	I have no idea whats up...I was a steady 1:100-150 for months...then all a sudden, everything goes to the shitter. I use the same method of advertising for other sponsors and they are currently 1:50-1:150

04-06-2002, 09:00 PM	#9
sasush So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,026	i'm a newbie at ARS ratio 1:271 gallery's

04-06-2002, 09:51 PM	#10
Wildman Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 326	I Vote: E. You are crap! Everyone else does just Fine

04-06-2002, 11:18 PM	#11
FlyingIguana aspiring banker Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: toronto Posts: 10,870	i used to convert good with adult movie station. then it just went to shit and i've yet to have a decent ratio with that site. everything else is about the same.

04-06-2002, 11:21 PM	#12
Lightning Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 870	Theres no choice for All of the above?..

04-06-2002, 11:51 PM	#13
AWC Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Bumfuck Posts: 1,223	The last week of the year I had a gallery listed on The Hun promoting All Petite and had 15 signups. I created my own tour and sent the filtered traffic direct to the join page. Last month, I had a similar gallery listed on The Hun linked to the same tour... ARS showed ZERO signups. I bailed from ARS.

04-06-2002, 11:57 PM	#15
Exxxotica Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Oregun Posts: 4,396	You are still is still using ARS after how fucking long? If I werent about to go watch TV, Id dig up your posts from last year. The ones where you bitch about how poor ARS converts. Dam bro... push another sponsor!!! Hit the current hot ones... freeezine bucks, ox cash shit, or nasty dollars. or my favorite... Vivid Video!!!

04-07-2002, 12:01 AM	#16
Exxxotica Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Oregun Posts: 4,396	IMO... ARS sites look like every other site out there. Nothing catchy to make the surfer pull out his credit card.

04-07-2002, 12:25 AM	#17
FlyingIguana aspiring banker Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: toronto Posts: 10,870	vivid still pay 35 bux per active member?

04-07-2002, 02:40 AM	#18
Lexxx Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Boston Posts: 1,489	way too overpromoted.... but the new sites they keep adding make up for that... I don't get how allpetite can stay the (one of) most selling site for more than a year now... ARS was a program that EVERYBODY pushed a year ago... now, ppl have a lot of similar programs to choose from, so the conversions should have gone up...

04-07-2002, 03:41 AM	#21
RaGe Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,158	Post what sites you guys are getting those ratios with.. I'm sure it has something to do with it. All Petite for example, is DEFINATLY over-advertised.. every surfer and his brother has seen a few AP ads. But they have like 60+ sites, so there are a few others in there which would convert much better.. Part of ARS's problem is Ibill I think, just check out the ARS forums. Lots of people posting one week how they dropped from 60 su's per week to like 5 to 10.. not just one person, but quite a few.. nothing should make it drop like that in just a week.

04-07-2002, 06:50 AM	#22
Michael O More Cowbell Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Nakhom Nowhere Posts: 10,607	For the last 3 months I´ve been doing 1:500-600 execpt for the 2 weeks where I at 1:3000 But overall I love them ;) __________________ Truth Teller

04-07-2002, 07:40 AM	#23
Sloane Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Vietnam Posts: 815	I cant convert ARS with TGP traffic...yet my other sponsors are fine with TGP. But ARS does extremely well with SE traffic. I guess the TGP surfers have seen it all before.

04-07-2002, 08:52 AM	#24
sasush So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,026	Adult Movie Station 1318 992 0 0:992 $0.00 thats my today gallery traffic. WTF ?

04-07-2002, 09:07 AM	#25
bunky Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Charlotte NC USA Posts: 902	when i used ars i was gettin 1:245 dunno whats up now though bunky __________________ BoneProne 4 Life - BoneProne Family [insert title here]

04-07-2002, 09:30 AM	#27
angelsofporn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 3,218	What about Maxcash...I get 1:90 for most of my sponsors but maxcash i send the same type of traffic and its like 1:2000...anyone do well with these guys?

04-07-2002, 01:13 PM	#29
jojojo Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 2,318	ARS and tgp traffic always fluctuates for me.. SO if ARS sux for tgp traffic - who is better to use (big programs) thanks

04-07-2002, 01:27 PM	#30
ez12 Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: 388 753 309 Posts: 2,438	I still make good sales with ARS it's TopBucks & trafficcashgold that don't work for me. TrafficCahGold I can understand they shave but Topbucks wel maybe they do to (0:800) isn't as bad as your shitty conversion but still pretty bad. __________________ Main sites: Duclerck.com & Diderote.com My Hosting: AmeriNOC My Sponsors: NewNudeCash, Silvercash, Sapphic Cash, BCash4you Email: webmaster @ duclerck.com

04-07-2002, 04:59 PM	#32
Sexymail So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 350	You freaks, why keep using a sponsor that you know isnt working for you? You think your ratio is going to get better all of a sudden out of the blue? wrong, try something else! oh yeah, and BTW, that idiot that locked my thread yesterday, I would love to know how the program i was promoting is old news, since it is still in beta you you asshole

04-07-2002, 07:51 PM	#34
kush Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,382	ARS can be very inconsistent with signups - but overall I'm pleased.

04-08-2002, 05:22 AM	#35
The Hun Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,207	I'd have to vote 'none of the above' though I do agree with the pole. the reason they're responsible for those low conversions is that people learn who they are... Surfers are not stupid. Some people here seem to think they are though, but how often would you click on a banner when you know that clicking it will get in a loop of advertising consoles? And give an honest answer please! I'm pretty sure you will not click anymore. Why do people here assume that surfers will continue clicking then? I don't get it. Funny to see so many people bitch and moan about dropping conversions and at the same time show no respect to the surfer. Any business, Internet or 'real world' needs customers. Our customers are the surfers. And they should be treated like customers...

04-08-2002, 09:08 AM	#36
Marc De Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 632	That is a pretty amusing analyzation coming from the person who could possibly be responsible for distributing the most free porn on the internet. Why would you go to a grocery store that charges for food if there is one next door that is giving it away. Your theory works if people are complaining about declining clicks. However, this thread is about declining ratios. That means that people are clicking, they just aren't buying. My theory of you giving away our product as a helpful cause in lower sales productivity is much more logical. I guess we just see 2 different ends of the spectrum. You look to be 'respectful' to our possible customers by giving them stuff and I see trying to get them to purchase something. We offer consoles give to give more choices and to make the traffic more productive. Consoles actually INCREASE sales...

04-08-2002, 09:20 AM	#37
Blondy Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 731	you sound a litlle cranky ;) __________________ PLR Tuesday night Radio Show at 7 PM EST / click on "Listen Live".

04-08-2002, 10:00 AM	#39
Uncle Vinny Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hiding In A Corner Of My Room Posts: 282	Everyone seems to forget that part of the resposibilty for the sale falls on the sponser...if a sponser can't convert your traffic, then you need a new sponser. If you're sending bullshit traffic, ie: blind clicks and such, then expect low conversions from all sponsers..but if you send qualified traffic, surfers that click sponser links (and they know it's a sponser link) then it's up to the sponser to convert that sale.

04-08-2002, 12:02 PM	#45
Jakke PNG ex-TeenGodFather Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suomi Finland Perkele Posts: 20,306	Umm.. I think there's no such store that offers so many samples that you're all full and won't buy anything.. But hey! You can go back the next day and eat some more free samles, after all the store gets them for free from distrubutors that get them from free from the providers. Get my point? Now, of to start a teen TGP.. not shitting you either. __________________ ..and I'm off.

04-08-2002, 12:20 PM	#46
Webmaster101 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 113	Ok...I have to chime in now. The Hun: Your method of salesmanship is much like that of the resteraunt business (which I have much experience), where you attempt to give the visitor a great fresh experience on every visit to keep them comming back for more. You probably make the majority of your income from paid advertising spots were joins and ratios don't really apply becuase you will get your money regardless. Due to your impressive volume of visitors, keeping them comming back usually requires that you give them the best porn (hardcore, movies, you name it) on the net with as little bullshit as possible. Thats how you make your money and in your shoes, I'd probably do the same. But, Marc has a valid point about your business and its affect on the industry. If joe surfer knows he can get it for free, he will not pay. You can say that you can offer the surfer something he cannot find anywhere else and you will make a sale (the goal of every gallery submitted to your site), but with loads of quality paysite quality pornography dished out everyday for free, with no hassles involved, in every niche you can imagine...How can you expect others to make substantial profit without the use of things like consoles, etc? Prime example: I've heard many stories of the old adult internet where money was made with relative ease and minimal advertising expertise. Nearly all of the major players claim the same thing about this time in the biz..."well..the surfer really had no were else to get it, or there was too much bs involved for them to get it without purchasing a membership." Compare that with how things are now and you can see that the majority of porn surfers know that if they try, they can find exactly what they are looking for without any price attachments or popup hells. This is attributed to not just The Hun.net, but every site out there trying to emulate your success. Your style of business is great for you, but how does it contribute to the long term success of this industry as a whole?