SleazyDream

Which GFY members do you think drink too much or do too many drugs and need to goto AA or some other like organization to help them with their addiction problem.


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TurboAngel

I'm drunk now.

Spunky

Sometimes I resemble that remark

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OG LennyT

I'm drinking wine... will fall asleep before drunkedness occurs

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Linguist

I'm in denial, so I don't need no AA

com

Meetings are for quiters... and nobody likes a quitter.

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jasonir

AA is a bunch of christian fucks that think there is a disease called alcoholism. Calling it a disease is a serious lack of responsibility.

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kmanrox

ummm... maybe Amp?

lol

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FlogTheLog

rolfamo..... so true

neverlearn

me...been there , done that...didnt work

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MikeHawk

lol.....true colors....hahaha..

You will die thinking you are right and not a quiter...what a way to go....lol

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com

eh? I know we're all going to inevitably die someday, but do you seriously think I'm going to consume myself into the grave on anything? Your sense of humor seems to be displaced!

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MikeHawk

in the mood so why not...when anyone looks stupid and does not know what they are talking about, sometimes just like to laugh, this time, i will help you...cause you are a dumb ass:

no.1

Alcohol abuse can cause a condition called "fatty liver" or another called "alcohol hepatitis" -- both of which can be treated, but only if alcohol consumption is stopped. If drinking continues, these conditions will cause cirrhosis of the liver.


Hardening of the Liver
What happens is the liver begins to harden. Scar tissue develops in the body's largest organ which hinders its ability to filter blood. When the scar tissue develops to a certain point, the liver can no longer do its work.
The problem is the liver performs more than 1,500 functions for the body, including more than 300 life-saving procedures. If the liver stops doing its job, all kinds of health problems develop quickly and death can come rapidly.

The liver detoxifies poisons, both those produced by the body and those from outside; filters bacteria from the blood; regulates fat metabolism; stores and manufactures vitamins; regulates and manufactures cholesterol and fats; synthesizes proteins; maintains the body's water and salt balance; secretes bile for the digestion of fat; stores energy (in the form of glycogen) helps regulate overall body metabolism; transforms the highly toxic ammonia (produced by exercise and by metabolism of proteins) into urea which is eliminated in the urine; manufactures lipoproteins for fat and cholesterol transport; and metabolizes alcohol.

If the liver stops doing any of these jobs, or numerous others it does constantly, the result is fatal.

Your welcome....



no.2

Q. Is Alcoholism a Disease?
from National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism

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Yes. Alcoholism is a chronic, often progressive disease with symptoms that include a strong need to drink despite negative consequences, such as serious job or health problems. Like many other diseases, it has a generally predictable course, has recognized symptoms, and is influenced by both genetic and environmental factors that are being increasingly well defined. (See also Alcohol Alert No. 30: Diagnostic Criteria for Alcohol Abuse and Dependence.)

enjoy....lol

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emthree

The ones who snort coke.

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SleazyDream

that depends on the chapter. I grew up in an AA family. My father and most of his real friends that went though AA didn't become overwhelmed by the religion aspect. Some need it - some don't.

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MikeHawk

lol...true we will...but to call someone a "quiter" that has a serious problem that needs to take a closer look at his life.....that person is far from quiter, that is someone who has woken up and maybe wants to live.....

Its not really something to humor about, its a very serious subject and many of my friends have died....and its all fucked up.

What is trully amazing to me how un educated the public is to this.....it is just amazing to me.

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SleazyDream

anyone with a disease needs to take responsibiliy to take care of themself and get better- rgardless of the disease

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jasonir

MikeHawk has informed us that alcoholism can cause liver problems. Oh great one, I thank you for sharing this uncommon wisdom with us, the uneducated public. He has also provided us with a quotation from an unbiased website with an opinion on alcoholism. Oh, he is so intelligent and awesome. I am so unworthy.

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SleazyDream

you are - without a doubt - an idiot

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jasonir

I totally agree with you man. Anyone with an addiction who can't get over it themselves should seek help.

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I have been there it sucks... Had the most successful days in sales but my life was

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SilverTab

hmmm well the fact that alcoholism can lead to further medical problem (ex: cirrhosis of the liver) doesnt make it a disease....(im not even argueing the fact that alcoholism is a disease or not here...) just saying that this arguement doesnt mean anything...

Smoking can cause cancer, but smoking isnt a disease...
Driving can kill you, but its not a disease....

alcoholism is an addiction...just like drug addiction etc...
anyone claming that alcoholism is a disease, and preaching their cause,etc. ..but would spit on a drugged up junkie asking for change in the metro is an idiot....

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SleazyDream

excuse me?

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Halcyon

This from the guy who gets his thoughts on alcoholism from South Park.

I'm guessing you're the same guy who wonders why an anorexic girl doesn't just eat a burger.

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MikeHawk

jasonir....its not that you are not unworthy, its just you dont know.

I will be sober 17 years this year in jan coming up, i have seen so much in those years....

Since we are the subject why not share, since you seem to be calling me out and i am in the mood to tell you...

I had a daughter with a woman, carried our baby girl for 9 months, when our daughter was 1 her mother decided that doing drugs and drinking was far better than being the mother to her own daughter....now you tell me that is only one of millions of stories like that....you dont think this deal is for real?

Think again...booze and drugs is the only fucked up thing that no matter how much you want to stop no matter how far down the ladder of life you have traveled ...how much you have lost....it still talks to you...tells you are ok....and you dont have a problem...what is that?

I am not quoting anything but speaking from experience and truth...

this deal ...only sickness that continues to tell us we dont have a sickness ...so dangerous


Oh on the daughter, i have been a full time dad 24/7 and the mother has always be able to see her own daughter if she chooses but she doesnt, she chooses the other shit....i stop trying too figure out that happens...it just does.

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com

I think you have me confused for someone else.... I come from an Irish family... I'm certified and allowed to make jokes about drinking problems, substance abuse, and meetings. I'm losing a dear friend as we speak to drinking induced heart disease. I think you need to lighten up.

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FlogTheLog

this is the GFY AA Meeting

SleazyDream

those are non alcoholic beers.

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Halcyon

Bravo. And said with the same class you bring to everything. Merry Xmas, btw....your personal sharing is a gift to all of GFY.

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MikeHawk

it is truly amazing to me just how many people are just clueless how booze and drugs effects our world

no idea

from kids to jails to crime to death...just to start....

Those drink and party responsible i have zero problem with, its those who have crossed the line, and decided they would do what ever it took to keep and stay high, no matter what.

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FlogTheLog

its root beer

SilverTab

ill explain it in simpler terms:

Mike Hawk was calling some guy an idiot because he was saying that alcoholism isnt a disease....

As an argument to prove his point, he said (Mike) that alcoholism can cause hardening of the liver etc...

I, in turn, observed that, although alcoholism can lead to terrible health issues, (i.e. liver problems, death...) it does NOT make it a disease...

Then, I used cigarette as an example of something that can lead to bad health, without being a disease...

Now I dont see how I could make it any easier

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poor choices and irresponsability cannot be excused that easily.

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sorry dude, there are many things that lead to medial issues that can be named chronic, but that doesn't make then a disease. And quoting the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism isn't helping your case either. it's like asking the republicans to justify their exsistance.

Alcohol abuse can be stoped by one thing.....changing one's behavior.

I'm not in the mood to hear anyone make excuses.

there are 2 kinds of people in this world. people who talk about it and people who do it. never met a sucessfull person who just talked about it. Even Tony Robins has an agent.

Merry fucking Christmas

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jasonir

I just don't agree with calling addiction a disease. It's not a fucking disease. People who have cancer have a disease. Alcoholics have an addiction. Oh, hell, YES addiction is serious - but you brought it on yourself. No one forced you to drink, but no one can control whether they get leukemia.

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SleazyDream

ok, then answer this - are all forms of mental illness not to be classified as a disease?

think about that

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SilverTab

yes...I would consider mental illness to be a disease....

I still dont think it has anything to do with addiction...

If I decide to start drinking (or even if im forced to it), then cant stop it...im addicted to it...its a bad thing, granted...

its still no medical condition like being bi-polar or schizophreniac

Im not saying that alcoholism isnt a serious problem, that it isnt really hard to overcome etc...I have a bunch of alcoholics in my family (serious ones...even uncles that lost their houses, wives etc..) and I will be the first to admit that its a terrible thing, and a serious issue...

I just...dont think its a disease...

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would you consider insanity a disease?

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SilverTab

oh and I still wish everyone in this thread a GREAT christmas! wheter you drink or not...or wheter you think alcoholism is a disease or not! ;)

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SleazyDream

is insanity a sign of a healthy person?

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MikeHawk

Dude?...hahaha...ok, i see who i am talking to now....

Maybe one day you will live your life and have some insight and undertanding to just what it is i am trying to say here....

I do walk the walk....those who have not gone down this path, have no biz talking about something they clearly know not a thing about.

Its ok....

and merry xmas to you too.......


one more thing, do something for me, if you dont mind, next time, find out just how many jails are full of people that are there because of the drugs and booze, tell them your wise idea.."change your behaviour"...or here is another one for ya....the guys sleeping in the boxes downtown on skid row, go down there and tell them they can change there behaviour...lol......

or next time if someone is trying to rob you at gun point to pay for a hit of some smack, instead of handing them your wallet ...tell them to "change there behaviour"

You prove my point on just how fucking stupid most people are to this.....and its ok, its not your fault.

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jasonir

I love my booze.

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Main Entry: dis·ease
Pronunciation: diz-'Ez
Function: noun
: an impairment of the normal state of the living animal or plant body or one of its parts that interrupts or modifies the performance of the vital functions and is a response to environmental factors (as malnutrition, industrial hazards, or climate), to specific infective agents (as worms, bacteria, or viruses), to inherent defects of the organism (as genetic anomalies), or to combinations of these factors : SICKNESS, ILLNESS called also morbus; ?compare HEALTH 1 ?dis·eased /-'Ezd/ adjective

Source: Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

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jasonir

MikeHawk obviously drinking leads to mental problems known as addiction in certain people who are predisposed to it. Addiction is an entire different class of disease. The way alcoholics use the word, as in "I have a disease and I need help!" is a total cop-out and you know it. That is where my gripe is, that is all I wanted to say. I think we should leave the semantics to the linguists and Webster?s.

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SleazyDream

i'm thinking you have a drinking problem or the like but don't want to confront it...

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lol...com...now to be fair...lets list them all:

Definitions of disease on the Web:

an impairment of health or a condition of abnormal functioning
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

A disease is any abnormal condition of the body or mind that causes discomfort, dysfunction, or distress to the person affected or those in contact with the person. Sometimes the term is used broadly to include injuries, disabilities, syndromes, symptoms, deviant behaviors, and atypical variations of structure and function, while in other contexts these may be considered distinguishable categories.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease

a term of health status; when something is wrong with a bodily function
www.jhsph.edu/publichealthexperts/Glossary.htm

Disease can be defined in three ways:
http://www.med.uwo.ca/ecosystemhealt...n/glossary.htm

Process injurious to health and/or longevity
www.weightlosssurgery.com.au/index.php

A condition of an organic being or of one of its parts that impairs normal living functioning.
www.iffgd.org/GIDisorders/glossary.html

A condition of being sick from a particular cause. Different plants and animals often suffer from certain diseases. Some animals are known to carry diseases that effect other organisms. For example, a beetle carries a fungus which causes Dutch Elm Disease in elm trees.
http://www.fcps.k12.va.us/StratfordL...s/glossary.htm

An abnormal condition of a plant in which its physiology, morphology, and/or development is altered under the continuous influence of a pathogen. (3)
ppathw3.cals.cornell.edu/glossary/Defs_D.htm

an abnormal bodily condition of a living plant or animal that interferes with functioning and can usually be recognized by signs, symptoms, and illness.
whyfiles.larc.nasa.gov/text/kids/Problem_Board/problems/biosphere/glossary.html

stress condition produced by the effects of a pathogen on a susceptible host.
scarab.msu.montana.edu/historybug/glossary.htm

Any condition that prevents the body from working as it should other that direct injury.
ricegenomics.plbr.cornell.edu/glossary.htm

A condition of an organism that impairs normal physiological function. Also see Infectious Disease.
fightaidsathome.scripps.edu/glossary.html

Any abnormality of bodily structure or function, other than those arising directly from injury.
http://www.canadapharma.org/Patient_...lossary_Terms/

A deleterious change in the body's condition in response to destabilizing factors, such as nutrition, chemicals, or biological agents.
highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/0070294267/student_view0/glossary_a-d.html

Diseases may be caused by microorganisms or by environmental factors such as a lack of available iron in the soil or excess water.
http://www.ottawa.ca/residents/healt...ssary_en.shtml

Illness, sickness. An interruption, cessation, or disorder of body functions, systems, or organs. Top of page
http://www.rationaltherapeutics.com/...e/glossary.htm

can be defined as a derangement in the function of the whole body of the host or any of its parts.
www.fao.org/Wairdocs/ILRI/x5436E/x5436e04.htm

A condition of the body in which there is incorrect function due to heredity, infection, diet, or environment.
http://www.mdk12.org/instruction/cur...glossary.shtml

a pathological condition that is cross-culturally defined and recognized.
oregonstate.edu/instruct/anth370/gloss.html

a condition, caused by living organisms or environmental changes, that impairs the normal functions of a living organism.
www.ipmalmanac.com/glossary/index.asp

a state in which a function or part of the body is no longer in a healthy condition
lib1.store.vip.sc5.yahoo.com/lib/allergybegone/glossary.html

A medical concept, which serves for communication between doctors. Disease does not exist as such in nature. What medicine conceives as disease is a tolerance decline accompanied by WOB complaints
http://www.what-is-cancer.com/papers.../glossary.html

a medically definable process, in terms of pathophysiology and pathology. Illness is what the patient experiences.
www.therubins.com/geninfo/Definit.htm

Presence of some pathology or abnormality in a part of the body. Bacteria and viruses cause many such diseases Tolerance ? In pharmacology, the ability to tolerate larger and larger doses of a drug after each exposure to it.
http://www.uwic.ac.uk/shss/dom/newwe...l/Glossary.htm

Disorder or pathology that affects health.
http://www.moh.govt.nz/moh.nsf/0/15f...256b6b0002b038

Any departure from health; a particular destructive process in an organ or organism with a specific cause and symptoms.
http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7...7394--,00.html

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jasonir

Sleazy I drink on occasion and I puke on occasion, but my drinking does not affect my home or work life, and it doesn't cause me to be violent with others, so I don't consider it a problem. People can enjoy alcohol without relying on it.

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Halcyon

You should print this page out and file it away... or have one of those services email it to yourself in 10 years.

Just as an experiment.

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