Is it possible to get shaved with CCBill affiliates? - GoFuckYourself.com

dissipate · 12-24-2005, 11:04 PM

I'm getting a hunch someone is shaving my sales... how easy would it for them to do it with CCBill?

chadglni · 12-24-2005, 11:06 PM

No sir!

TurboAngel · 12-24-2005, 11:06 PM

Isn't anything possible?

Nookster · 12-24-2005, 11:07 PM

anything made with perl/cgi can be easily manipulated.

chadglni · 12-24-2005, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TurboAngel

Isn't anything possible?

That's just something failures like to say.

SleazyDream · 12-24-2005, 11:08 PM

i love ccbill. make no mistake. i think they are one of if not the best processor out there.

but it's POSSIBLE to get shaved from ANY sponser program.

including ccbill.

that doesn't mean it came from ccbill though.I don't believe ccbill would ever do that. Some of their affiliates, maybe.... I'm just saying it's POSSIBLE.

it's like saying you have perfect security - there is NO SUCH THING. There's ALWAYS a way.....

TurboAngel · 12-24-2005, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadglni

That's just something failures like to say.

xclusive · 12-24-2005, 11:15 PM

Of course it's possible there are a lot of greedy fuckers out there what is the program? By the way I think ccbill is great and it wouldn't be on thier end

kaori · 12-24-2005, 11:36 PM

unless it's ccbill shaving, there isn't much they can do with php if you're linking DIRECTLY to the ccbill code...
(refer.ccbill.com/xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
some sponsors set the cookies manually however, and that you'll never know

Hell Puppy · 12-24-2005, 11:38 PM

Always possible since the sponsor hosts the tour and join page.

Not all that likely though since CCBill programs are typically revshare. There's not near the incentive to shave revshare, and I'm sure CCBill would not be pleased if they caught someone playing games. Best case a sponsor is risking their reputation, so I just dont think it would be happening with anyone who has been around the block a time or two.

dissipate · 12-24-2005, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kaori

unless it's ccbill shaving, there isn't much they can do with php if you're linking DIRECTLY to the ccbill code...
(refer.ccbill.com/xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
some sponsors set the cookies manually however, and that you'll never know

I know it's know CCBill shaving it, im more worried about this affiliate.

dissipate · 12-24-2005, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dissipate

I know it's know CCBill shaving it, im more worried about this affiliate.

I meant to say i know its NOT ccbill..... fuck its late.

bdld · 12-24-2005, 11:43 PM

while its not considered direct shaving, a sponsor could add links to their dvd store, an email collection box or their other sites.

BIGTYMER · 12-24-2005, 11:45 PM

CCBill isn't shaving it would be the sponsor. They can easly swap out your affid for one of theirs and so forth.

Hell Puppy · 12-24-2005, 11:51 PM

Another thing to keep in mind is you typically wont see the same conversions on a CCBill sponsor as you get from sponsors who are running software such as NATS that can cascade thru several billers.

I will say that we've seen conversions dramatically improve for every site we've ever moved to NATS from just running one processor or the other. Not just a CCBill thing, sites running on Paycom only also fair better when moved to a cascading system.

woj · 12-25-2005, 12:17 AM

It's possible to shave with ANY processer and ANY affiliate software...

Zester · 12-25-2005, 12:25 AM

it can be done. not by ccbill, but it's possible.
a sponsora are like women, they are nice to you to manipulate you from realizing you are only a method of making money for them.

faxxaff · 12-25-2005, 12:29 AM

I can't believe that CCBill would be involved in shaving at all.
Unfortunately there are some sponsors who do use some dirty tricks, such as setting up 2 different ccbill accounts on similar sounding domains. Sometimes they redirect their traffic to the other domain where affiliates get no credit at all.
Another trick is to use alternative paying methods/processors and redirecting certain regional traffic to different signup pages (i.e. from Japan or Germany).
There are many ways of shaving and there are some black sheep out there who do it, but my guess would be that the majority of programs is pretty honest.

Manowar · 12-25-2005, 03:33 AM

you can ALWAYS be shaved

Calvinguy · 12-25-2005, 03:55 AM

If an affiliate send a visitor through the refer.ccbill.com/xxxxxx link but the sponsor also hardcode a affiliare ID using ccbills affilatevariable who will get the sale?

DWB · 12-25-2005, 04:26 AM

If they (site owner) set the rebills to ZERO and do not tell you...
If they set the exit pop from ccbill, the XXXXXX will not follow...

So you can lose money like that but CCbill does not have a shaving option.

spacedog · 12-25-2005, 04:49 AM

last couple of days I have been examining some sponsors closely & examining the linking codes, the tours & join links, etc, as well as the exits, leaks etc & some programs I can say I was not too happy with what I found.

One particular program with standard ccbill linking code, upon clicking a FHG, yes that's right, a FHG, & the fucking FHG has a popup on ENTRY to a webcam page that does NOT have the refers ccbill id in it???? & that popup ends up in FRONT of the FHG.

I have also clicked through tours & see my ccbill id in the linking code throughout the tour UNTIL I arrive at the join form & now all of a sudden there is a DIFFERENT ccbill id.

I have also come across several where upon clicking ccbill linking code I arrive at tour & the ccbill link is no longer visible anywhere at all throughout the tour. Not in the browser window, no where at all.

Quite a few of these also have exits with plenty of xsells to AFF, Weg, CE & plenty of other programs. Personally, I'm going to eliminate promoting any program that does this. I don't care if they upsell in members area, but that's pretty shady to do it on the tour. I'd prefer that they xsell their own sites & give me some sort of credit for the traffic I sent.

I am also going to eliminate using any program that has their url on the content used to promote them.
I am also going to eliminate using any program that uses the sites domain as the domain for hosted promo material like FHG. Why would surfer click the link in FHG that is at http://www.somepaysite.com/promo/fhg...01/gal_63.html when all he has to do is go to browser window & remove the promo/fhg/model_01/gal_63.html from the string & go straight to www.somepaysite.com?

Bet your friggen arse that more than 2/3 of surfers do this!!! You can also count on the fact that the url on content generates several type ins. particularly on movies & videos. The surfers are typing in the url, not clicking the fucking links. wake the fuck up people.

I've even been to sponsor sites that use ccbill, but instead of the ccbill linking structure I am given some link code that is NOT ccbill, but instead something of the programs creation. Now, how do I know that this code is tracking properly? Chances are that it is not.

faxxaff · 12-25-2005, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by spacedog

I am also going to eliminate using any program that has their url on the content used to promote them.
I am also going to eliminate using any program that uses the sites domain as the domain for hosted promo material like FHG. Why would surfer click the link in FHG that is at http://www.somepaysite.com/promo/fhg...01/gal_63.html when all he has to do is go to browser window & remove the promo/fhg/model_01/gal_63.html from the string & go straight to www.somepaysite.com?

Bet your friggen arse that more than 2/3 of surfers do this!!! You can also count on the fact that the url on content generates several type ins. particularly on movies & videos. The surfers are typing in the url, not clicking the fucking links. wake the fuck up people.

You have some good points, but I can hardly think of any sponsors that will give out content without their copyright notice/url. To many content thieves around!

About the directory sniffing, there should not be a problem with that at all, because once a user lands on the fhg (that is before he can dig into the file tree) his cookie for the affiliate program is already planted in the browser. So you will get credit for the sale.

If you want to check if your affiliate code is correctly transmitted, go all he way to the signup form and check the source code. Your affiliate code should by right there and not in the browser status bar.

Theo · 12-25-2005, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by spacedog

I am also going to eliminate using any program that has their url on the content used to promote them..

you'll be only left with celebrity content lol

TheSenator · 12-25-2005, 06:10 AM

Cookie monsters re-write cookies.

pussyluver · 12-25-2005, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Manowar

you can ALWAYS be shaved

ditto that. There are many ways.

BTW affiliates commit fraud too.

pussyluver · 12-25-2005, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSenator

Cookie monsters re-write cookies.

one of the easier ways. The hard question is how to beat that.

DWB · 12-25-2005, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by spacedog

I have also come across several where upon clicking ccbill linking code I arrive at tour & the ccbill link is no longer visible anywhere at all throughout the tour. Not in the browser window, no where at all.

This is normal. Once you go to the page you set with ccbill, you will not longer see yoru code and there is a cookie set. Though we CAN set the time of the cookie as well so if the surfer leaves, we can say how long that cookie will last for you to get credit if that surfer returns.

Theo · 12-25-2005, 06:23 AM

can you set a cookie from a .swf? if you can this has to be the easiest way to get away with it.

Calvinguy · 12-25-2005, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

can you set a cookie from a .swf? if you can this has to be the easiest way to get away with it.

sure you can but a cookie can only be read from the same domain it was set by

Theo · 12-25-2005, 06:53 AM

true, you could hide i guess from where the ccbill link loads for 2nd time (from a .swf)

Zester · 12-26-2005, 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spacedog

last couple of days I have been examining some sponsors closely & examining the linking codes, the tours & join links, etc, as well as the exits, leaks etc & some programs I can say I was not too happy with what I found.

One particular program with standard ccbill linking code, upon clicking a FHG, yes that's right, a FHG, & the fucking FHG has a popup on ENTRY to a webcam page that does NOT have the refers ccbill id in it???? & that popup ends up in FRONT of the FHG.

I have also clicked through tours & see my ccbill id in the linking code throughout the tour UNTIL I arrive at the join form & now all of a sudden there is a DIFFERENT ccbill id.

I have also come across several where upon clicking ccbill linking code I arrive at tour & the ccbill link is no longer visible anywhere at all throughout the tour. Not in the browser window, no where at all.

Quite a few of these also have exits with plenty of xsells to AFF, Weg, CE & plenty of other programs. Personally, I'm going to eliminate promoting any program that does this. I don't care if they upsell in members area, but that's pretty shady to do it on the tour. I'd prefer that they xsell their own sites & give me some sort of credit for the traffic I sent.

I am also going to eliminate using any program that has their url on the content used to promote them.
I am also going to eliminate using any program that uses the sites domain as the domain for hosted promo material like FHG. Why would surfer click the link in FHG that is at http://www.somepaysite.com/promo/fhg...01/gal_63.html when all he has to do is go to browser window & remove the promo/fhg/model_01/gal_63.html from the string & go straight to www.somepaysite.com?

Bet your friggen arse that more than 2/3 of surfers do this!!! You can also count on the fact that the url on content generates several type ins. particularly on movies & videos. The surfers are typing in the url, not clicking the fucking links. wake the fuck up people.

I've even been to sponsor sites that use ccbill, but instead of the ccbill linking structure I am given some link code that is NOT ccbill, but instead something of the programs creation. Now, how do I know that this code is tracking properly? Chances are that it is not.

I want to know about all the programs that do any kind of shit to their affiliates.
please name them here or if you don't want to shit on them here or don't have the balls to name them here: ICQ 135978-99-8

Theo · 12-26-2005, 04:54 AM

"I've even been to sponsor sites that use ccbill, but instead of the ccbill linking structure I am given some link code that is NOT ccbill, but instead something of the programs creation. Now, how do I know that this code is tracking properly? Chances are that it is not."

We do that with nats linking code, sales are tracked properly and you can check for your affiliate ID in the signup page. (view source)

12-24-2005, 11:04 PM	#1
dissipate The Dirty Frenchman Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Lost Angeles Posts: 8,904	Is it possible to get shaved with CCBill affiliates? I'm getting a hunch someone is shaving my sales... how easy would it for them to do it with CCBill?

12-24-2005, 11:07 PM	#4
Nookster Confirmed IT Professional Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 3,744	anything made with perl/cgi can be easily manipulated. __________________ The Best Affiliate Software, Ever.

12-24-2005, 11:08 PM	#6
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	i love ccbill. make no mistake. i think they are one of if not the best processor out there. but it's POSSIBLE to get shaved from ANY sponser program. including ccbill. that doesn't mean it came from ccbill though.I don't believe ccbill would ever do that. Some of their affiliates, maybe.... I'm just saying it's POSSIBLE. it's like saying you have perfect security - there is NO SUCH THING. There's ALWAYS a way..... __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

12-24-2005, 11:15 PM	#8
xclusive Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 35,218	Of course it's possible there are a lot of greedy fuckers out there what is the program? By the way I think ccbill is great and it wouldn't be on thier end __________________ I support MediumPimpin.com / Shemp's Outlawtgp.com /

12-25-2005, 12:17 AM	#16
woj <&(©¿©)&> Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 47,882	It's possible to shave with ANY processer and ANY affiliate software... __________________ Custom Software Development, email: woj#at#wojfun#.#com to discuss details or skype: wojl2000 or gchat: wojfun or telegram: wojl2000 Affiliate program tools: Hosted Galleries Manager Banner Manager Video Manager Wordpress Affiliate Plugin Pic/Movie of the Day Fansign Generator Zip Manager

12-24-2005, 11:06 PM	#2
chadglni Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: PEI, Canada Posts: 6,924	No sir!

12-24-2005, 11:06 PM	#3
TurboAngel H.B.I.C. Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: NC Posts: 30,122	Isn't anything possible?

12-24-2005, 11:36 PM	#9
kaori Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,569	unless it's ccbill shaving, there isn't much they can do with php if you're linking DIRECTLY to the ccbill code... (refer.ccbill.com/xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) some sponsors set the cookies manually however, and that you'll never know

12-24-2005, 11:38 PM	#10
Hell Puppy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hotlanta, Georgia Posts: 183	Always possible since the sponsor hosts the tour and join page. Not all that likely though since CCBill programs are typically revshare. There's not near the incentive to shave revshare, and I'm sure CCBill would not be pleased if they caught someone playing games. Best case a sponsor is risking their reputation, so I just dont think it would be happening with anyone who has been around the block a time or two.

12-24-2005, 11:43 PM	#13
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	while its not considered direct shaving, a sponsor could add links to their dvd store, an email collection box or their other sites.

12-24-2005, 11:45 PM	#14
BIGTYMER Junior Achiever Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Walled Garden Posts: 17,066	CCBill isn't shaving it would be the sponsor. They can easly swap out your affid for one of theirs and so forth.

12-24-2005, 11:51 PM	#15
Hell Puppy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hotlanta, Georgia Posts: 183	Another thing to keep in mind is you typically wont see the same conversions on a CCBill sponsor as you get from sponsors who are running software such as NATS that can cascade thru several billers. I will say that we've seen conversions dramatically improve for every site we've ever moved to NATS from just running one processor or the other. Not just a CCBill thing, sites running on Paycom only also fair better when moved to a cascading system.

12-25-2005, 12:25 AM	#17
Zester Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,344	it can be done. not by ccbill, but it's possible. a sponsora are like women, they are nice to you to manipulate you from realizing you are only a method of making money for them. __________________ * Mainstream ? $65 per sale * new male contraception Last edited by Zester; 12-25-2005 at 12:28 AM..

12-25-2005, 12:29 AM	#18
faxxaff Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Marina Hemingway Posts: 2,134	I can't believe that CCBill would be involved in shaving at all. Unfortunately there are some sponsors who do use some dirty tricks, such as setting up 2 different ccbill accounts on similar sounding domains. Sometimes they redirect their traffic to the other domain where affiliates get no credit at all. Another trick is to use alternative paying methods/processors and redirecting certain regional traffic to different signup pages (i.e. from Japan or Germany). There are many ways of shaving and there are some black sheep out there who do it, but my guess would be that the majority of programs is pretty honest. __________________ Asian Babes Last edited by faxxaff; 12-25-2005 at 12:32 AM..

12-25-2005, 03:33 AM	#19
Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	you can ALWAYS be shaved

12-25-2005, 03:55 AM	#20
Calvinguy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: European Union Posts: 1,752	If an affiliate send a visitor through the refer.ccbill.com/xxxxxx link but the sponsor also hardcode a affiliare ID using ccbills affilatevariable who will get the sale?

12-25-2005, 04:26 AM	#21
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	If they (site owner) set the rebills to ZERO and do not tell you... If they set the exit pop from ccbill, the XXXXXX will not follow... So you can lose money like that but CCbill does not have a shaving option.

12-25-2005, 04:49 AM	#22
spacedog Yes that IS me. Bitch. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 14,149	last couple of days I have been examining some sponsors closely & examining the linking codes, the tours & join links, etc, as well as the exits, leaks etc & some programs I can say I was not too happy with what I found. One particular program with standard ccbill linking code, upon clicking a FHG, yes that's right, a FHG, & the fucking FHG has a popup on ENTRY to a webcam page that does NOT have the refers ccbill id in it???? & that popup ends up in FRONT of the FHG. I have also clicked through tours & see my ccbill id in the linking code throughout the tour UNTIL I arrive at the join form & now all of a sudden there is a DIFFERENT ccbill id. I have also come across several where upon clicking ccbill linking code I arrive at tour & the ccbill link is no longer visible anywhere at all throughout the tour. Not in the browser window, no where at all. Quite a few of these also have exits with plenty of xsells to AFF, Weg, CE & plenty of other programs. Personally, I'm going to eliminate promoting any program that does this. I don't care if they upsell in members area, but that's pretty shady to do it on the tour. I'd prefer that they xsell their own sites & give me some sort of credit for the traffic I sent. I am also going to eliminate using any program that has their url on the content used to promote them. I am also going to eliminate using any program that uses the sites domain as the domain for hosted promo material like FHG. Why would surfer click the link in FHG that is at http://www.somepaysite.com/promo/fhg...01/gal_63.html when all he has to do is go to browser window & remove the promo/fhg/model_01/gal_63.html from the string & go straight to www.somepaysite.com? Bet your friggen arse that more than 2/3 of surfers do this!!! You can also count on the fact that the url on content generates several type ins. particularly on movies & videos. The surfers are typing in the url, not clicking the fucking links. wake the fuck up people. I've even been to sponsor sites that use ccbill, but instead of the ccbill linking structure I am given some link code that is NOT ccbill, but instead something of the programs creation. Now, how do I know that this code is tracking properly? Chances are that it is not.

12-25-2005, 06:10 AM	#25
TheSenator Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 13,337	Cookie monsters re-write cookies. __________________ ISeekGirls.com since 2005

12-25-2005, 06:23 AM	#29
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	can you set a cookie from a .swf? if you can this has to be the easiest way to get away with it.

12-25-2005, 06:53 AM	#31
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	true, you could hide i guess from where the ccbill link loads for 2nd time (from a .swf)

12-26-2005, 04:54 AM	#33
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	"I've even been to sponsor sites that use ccbill, but instead of the ccbill linking structure I am given some link code that is NOT ccbill, but instead something of the programs creation. Now, how do I know that this code is tracking properly? Chances are that it is not." We do that with nats linking code, sales are tracked properly and you can check for your affiliate ID in the signup page. (view source)