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Old 12-23-2005, 08:32 PM   #51
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51 worse converting sponsors of 2005.......
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Old 12-23-2005, 08:33 PM   #52
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Minimum of 2k or 3k uniques I think is fair.

Mine is...


panchodog at 1:3939


surprised.. great sites and galleries but garbage conversions....
3k uniques. lol

try 20k or 30k
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Old 12-23-2005, 08:34 PM   #53
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Yeah Tempest - 1:1877 is pretty crap.

You have to imagine a football stadium filled with 60,000 ppl - and all you get is 31.79 sales.

Then - YOU ****KNOW**** ITS A SHIT CONVERTER.



Better off sending that 1887 to Adult Friend Finder - as they are cool as fuck.
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Old 12-23-2005, 08:37 PM   #54
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"panchodog at 1:3939"

We can show potential affiliates that stat no problem.

As I say - it doesnt matter - it doesnt matter - it doesnt matter.

Shaving - not shaving - it doesnt matter to the affiliate.

A shit stat is a shit stat - show the scores.
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Old 12-23-2005, 08:57 PM   #55
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so where is this nonconverting infamous gallery or whatever?
post the fucking thing!
and what tgp or wherever did you get the traffic?
post it up here.
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Old 12-23-2005, 09:12 PM   #56
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Yeah Tempest - 1:1877 is pretty crap.

You have to imagine a football stadium filled with 60,000 ppl - and all you get is 31.79 sales.

Then - YOU ****KNOW**** ITS A SHIT CONVERTER.


Nope... a good salesman is market oriented - not product oriented - and offer both hotdogs and icecream. Not all 60k want the same
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Old 12-23-2005, 09:21 PM   #57
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Saturation is such an overused excuse..
Look, ever hear of Kleenex? So saturated that sales suck right? No of course not. (no pun intended about saturated kleenex BTW, lol)

Seriously, "saturation"=Brand Recognition. Something companies pay billions in advertising to achieve.
It's a crutch when used as an excuse for poor conversions I hate to say it.

This does not mean to go submit the same pages advertising the same sponsors and sites as everyone and their dog, but dont delude yourself into thinking that because a site is very popular that it's conversions suck, lol. Doesnt make sense at all when you look at it that way, does it?

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I saturated a kleenex while reading that post.
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Old 12-23-2005, 09:22 PM   #58
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Poor title and unfair treatment of a sponsor. No one knows what traffic you are talking about and even if you ever sent them traffic. I call bullshit.

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Old 12-23-2005, 09:22 PM   #59
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Old 12-23-2005, 09:30 PM   #60
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He also invented shaving.
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Old 12-23-2005, 09:56 PM   #61
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Old 12-23-2005, 10:19 PM   #62
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wtf is mrchips tripping out about
he's trying to incite a riot of folks to bite the hand that feeds.
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Old 12-23-2005, 10:30 PM   #63
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agreed, NastyDollars sites are all over the place but most of their sites convert great
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Old 12-23-2005, 10:41 PM   #64
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Old 12-23-2005, 11:08 PM   #65
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ive been pushing Andi Pink (pancho dog)for couple weeks and nothing at all so far 0:1560
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Old 12-23-2005, 11:26 PM   #66
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I have a sponsor doing 1:2000 second page uniques with the last 50k hits I sent.

I think its a problem witht the holidays though - It better be
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Old 12-23-2005, 11:30 PM   #67
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panchodog always works great for me - guess your traffic sucks
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Old 12-23-2005, 11:36 PM   #68
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It would be hard to sell Kleenex if every one was giving out free sample packs.
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Old 12-23-2005, 11:49 PM   #69
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Hi,

Whenever your ratios are near 1:1000 you should always contact an affiliate representative to help you understand what the problem could be.

We have experience in this and can clear things up, when working one on one with the affiliate. By not contacting a sponsor, you are not allowing us to do our job.

We will analyze your account, your traffic, your ad tools, and the way you are promoting us. We will also look at our stats, join form hits, declines, and many other things that will allow us to determine what to do to improve your ratios and sales.

We will also request information from you, such as similar sponsor campaigns, etc. to better understand where the problem lies.

Last but not least, we will help you with what sites will work best with your traffic, based on our experience. Sometimes, a website just does not take to certain traffic, but by changing the sites you are promoting or limiting them to the top sellers, for example, things change quite a bit. ;)

Hit us up anytime.
Now that is what I call a pro answer!
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Old 12-24-2005, 12:33 AM   #70
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Old 12-24-2005, 01:35 AM   #71
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Interesting thread, here are mine:

TCG: 1:13k
SIC Cash: 1:2900
Pimproll: 1:2786
Braincash 1:2666

Straight from my statsremote and yes i have sent more than the numbers above

I should add that there was also some exit and 404 traffic in the mix, especially for pimproll
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Old 12-24-2005, 01:41 AM   #72
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Total: 246,871 23,161 13,067 60 1:386 60 $1,303.00
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Old 12-24-2005, 01:42 AM   #73
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Total: 246,871 23,161 13,067 60 1:386 60 $1,303.00
Oh, notice how the conversion ratio is 1:386, but it's counted from 2nd page...so in reality it's 1:4114
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Old 12-24-2005, 01:46 AM   #74
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Holy shit! That is REALLY terrible!
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Old 12-24-2005, 01:49 AM   #75
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That makes my worst converting sponsor look really good

1 sale in about 12,500 uniques. Not gonna say who they are .
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Old 12-24-2005, 01:59 AM   #76
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Old 12-24-2005, 02:09 AM   #77
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Here's another one.... This isn't a "bad" conversion rate.. but damn does that look "strange", especially since the "with console" sales are always for the same sites I promote and not sites you would see on a rev share pop-up. hmmmmmm why is it half the conversion of the "without consoles" traffic...
with consoles: 1:369
without consoles: 1:673
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Old 12-24-2005, 02:56 AM   #78
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never went above 1:800 for this year aside some old mrskin traffic and some crappy results from doopornstars.com of TB (their rest sites does good)
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Old 12-24-2005, 02:58 AM   #79
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take it as a spam or as you like it, I honestly believe kamilla18 is the best converting solo girl in the industry as we speak.




if you have teen traffic give it a try, if you sell teen traffic contact me we'll buy it.
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Hot girl and a nice tour. I bet she's converting good...
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Old 12-24-2005, 03:24 AM   #81
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Panchodog been berry good to me. They were one of my top five earners this year. Not one of the top five converters, mind you (1:2879) but who cares? I don't deposit click ratios into my bank account.
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Old 12-24-2005, 03:38 AM   #82
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Once again,

it doesnt matter, it doesnt matter - IT DOESNT MATTER.

Shavers or Good guys.
SE traffic or TGP traffic.

FUCKEMOFF.COM will list the stats - and sponsor site owners wont have a say on FUCKEMOFF.COM.

So all their little tactics for slagging off webmasters who post stats SIMPLY CAN GET FUCKED

So

Simple as that.

If an affiliate who works hard and gets fucking stupid returns feels like it - he can POST THE SPONSOR SITE ON FUCKEMOFF.COM and that sponsor will find it ****so hard**** to get affiliates in the future that he/she may as well close down before they start.

The 2006 name of the game is to convert well, and keep yourself oFf FUCKEMOFF.COM

Once listed - you will be in the shit.

I SWEAR TO GOD - SHIT CONVERTERS ARE GOING TO FIND IT SOOOOOO FUCKING HARD TO GET AFFILIATES THIS YEAR THEY ARE FUCKED FROM THE WORD GO.

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Old 12-24-2005, 03:42 AM   #83
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it doesnt matter, it doesnt matter - IT DOESNT MATTER.

Shavers or Good guys.
SE traffic or TGP traffic.

FUCKEMOFF.COM will list the stats - and sponsor site owners wont have a say on FUCKEMOFF.COM.

So all their little tactics for slagging off webmasters who post stats SIMPLY CAN GET FUCKED

So

Simple as that.

If an affiliate who works hard and gets fucking stupid returns feels like it - he can POST THE SPONSOR SITE ON FUCKEMOFF.COM and that sponsor will find it ****so hard**** to get affiliates in the future that he/she may as well close down before they start.

The 2006 name of the game is to convert well, and keep yourself oFf FUCKEMOFF.COM

Once listed - you will be in the shit.

I SWEAR TO GOD - SHIT CONVERTERS ARE GOING TO FIND IT SOOOOOO FUCKING HARD TO GET AFFILIATES THIS YEAR THEY ARE FUCKED FROM THE WORD GO.

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oops... my error. Panchodog conversion was 1:1642 ... but I guess "it doesn't matter"
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"he's trying to incite a riot of folks to bite the hand that feeds."

Nope - hes GOING TO get some sponsor sites onto a listing on FUCKEMOFF.COM

A wank site which does not convert well for whatever reason - be it suspect shaving or plain dross content - will be listed by those who promoted it.

Affiliates need to know who feeds the best you see - if they dont feed well enough - then affiliates should move on.

So - beans on fucking toast sponsors (shaving dickheads or just plain daft sites) can be seen by all potential hard working affiliates beforehand so they dont get promoted.

It is important that affiliates dont send traffic to fucking dumb ass shaving dickheads and plain non-converting sponsors - if they do - then they struggle.

So.

Peckers up - keep your stats clean and convert well - and you wont appear on FUCKEMOFF.COM

If you do appear - you WILL HAVE SERIOUS DIFFICULTY IN GETTING AFFILILATES.

Simple as that.
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now thats one evil post lol"

Yes - it is one fucking hell of an evil post for non converters.

But converters need not worry - Im a good dude and I aint after listing them on FUCKEMOFF.COM

Remember - 30,000 hits per month ill give it for nowt - a LOT OF WEBMASTERS ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SHOW SHIT STATS.

First sponsors listed will be the ones who declare that affiliates cannot list their stats anywhere.

All sponsors declaring that stats cannot be made public will be listed riight away.

Affiliates NEED TO KNOW good converters before they start - otherwise we struggle and get pissed off. Not in 2006 we dont.

All fucking stupid programs will be listed, and NO affiliates will join.
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My worst converters this year:

Pancho Dog: Raw 0:19,329 Unique 0:8,349
DC Cash: Raw 0:6,164 Unique 0:5,798
Brain Cash: Raw 0:3,439 Unique 0:2,686



My best converters this year:

Love Dollars: Raw 1:137 Unique: 1:110
WEG Cash: Raw 1:285 Unique: 1:228
Make Fucking Money: 1:341 Unique: 1:243



All based on Stats Remote stats.

NOTE: no sig. no linked affiliates. no agenda. just my raw stats.

That said your mileage may vary..... happy selling in 06!

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well comon man, why would you come and name panchodog as worst converting sponsor when you've only sent 2000 or 3000 uniques? that's not fair

what if you sent 5k uniques and made 4 sales in the last K ?


its not enough traffic to come and name them worst converting sponsor
3k is more than enough.
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3k is more than enough.

IT CERTAINLY IS.

Anyway - IT DOESNT MATTER - 3k would get them listed on fuckemoff.com

Quite simply because for whatever reason they convert so badly (be it shaving or just a plain poor site) - us affiliates cant do with working so hard to send 3k and get peanuts - we NEED good sponsors - and we will send GOOD SPONSORS HEAVY FUCKING TRAFFIC.

Shit sponsors - WE WONT SIGN UP FOR.

I can seriously see a lot of wank sites going down the fucking toilet in 2006.

And the the GOOD sites I can see making serious cash - 6+ figures.

So - if you own a site that converts like at 1:1000 on own fucking trade name - like SAPPHIC EROTICA FROM SE TRAFFIC - then ......

You will be listed - thus no more effort from affiliates.

(sapphic erotica is my own personal first listing - along with AC movie pass)



Simple as that - a listing on fuckemoff.com com will seriously damage a site owners potential for gaining affiliates.

The best part is that sponsors dont get a fucking say on it. The stats will speak for themselves.

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And having been doin it for 8 years - stupid comments like the one above can be filtered too.



LOL - half the sites listed in here on sigs are going down the fucking pan.

1:1000 SE traffic for 30 bucks - errrr - no more shit.

I think affiliates will realise just how damaging this can be for a website - NO MASS PROMOTION FROM AFFILIATES is a ***killer*** for a non-branded porn site.

Anyways - it matters not - go get a free hardlink from FUCKEMOFF.COM if your stats suck.

Once a site is listed on FUCKEMOFF.COM - it will stay there.

If your site converts well - then worry not - all is calm.

If your site produces shit stats - then enjoy the listing.
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And having been doin it for 8 years - stupid comments like the one above can be filtered too.



LOL - half the sites listed in here on sigs are going down the fucking pan.

1:1000 SE traffic for 30 bucks - errrr - no more shit.

I think affiliates will realise just how damaging this can be for a website - NO MASS PROMOTION FROM AFFILIATES is a ***killer*** for a non-branded porn site.

Anyways - it matters not - go get a free hardlink from FUCKEMOFF.COM if your stats suck.

Once a site is listed on FUCKEMOFF.COM - it will stay there.

If your site converts well - then worry not - all is calm.

If your site produces shit stats - then enjoy the listing.
Dude - I don't know what you are trying to promote - is it like a new school "good bad and ugly" page? either way it doesnt even load on this end, hence your OWN conversions are hurting.
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Simple as that - a listing on fuckemoff.com com will seriously damage a site owners potential for gaining affiliates.
Its not that simple. There are so many factors, so listing only ratios would be very noobish. Like price vs sales; Your ratio does not really matter... Money does. A ratio at 1:4000 with $50 per signup, is better than 1:1000 with $10 per signup. Which one will you list?

Btw, if you list the 'best' ones, you'll probably end up with the opposite of your intentions. Sure, a "good" listing will make the program owner more money in total, but it wont gain the affiliates much. Hell, Im not gonna list my absolute best (but not so known) programs anywhere just to see everyone else start promoting it.
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"Dude - I don't know what you are trying to promote"

I only registered it today - gimme a chance its xmas!!!

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"Its not that simple. There are so many factors, so listing only ratios would be very noobish."

Dont worry - it wont be a noob like thing - I wouldnt damage a website so badly by listing it on a whim........................................

Also - good sites etc. Well - fuckemoff.com wont mention good sites - so thats the end of that - only shit sites go on fuckemoff.com.
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Old 12-24-2005, 08:35 AM   #96
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one thing commonly forgotten is those who
use ccbill sponsors with fhg's, alot of time
those gallery clicks are included in the stats.
thus making your ratios worthless.

otherwise most pro reply from the panchodog peeps.
props to you guys.

I do shemale stuff, all search traffic. 1k clicks
and no sales
buh bye
btw I use virtually no pps or sponsors with nats.
ccbill sponsor recurring sponsors have worked best
for me since 99.

take what you can use from the above
and insult the rest if you must.
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Old 12-24-2005, 08:37 AM   #97
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"Its not that simple. There are so many factors, so listing only ratios would be very noobish."

Dont worry - it wont be a noob like thing - I wouldnt damage a website so badly by listing it on a whim........................................

Also - good sites etc. Well - fuckemoff.com wont mention good sites - so thats the end of that - only shit sites go on fuckemoff.com.
If you are serious about this idea, what measures would you put into place to ensure that the criticism of a sponsor was accurate?

Just so many variables. To take it to the extreme, you could get a nasty bastard program owner who decides to slaughter another sponsor with fake stats.

Easy to make show terrible looking stats...how would you know whether it`s true or not?

Wouldn`t work mate.
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Unfortunately - as is the case with the law courts - some good sponsors will get listed - thats life - its tough shit basically - just like the dude that gets put away for a crime he didnt commit.

Its an acceptable problem shall we say.

Nothing I can do about that.
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Old 12-24-2005, 09:27 AM   #99
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when the sites get older, the conversion rates drop, fact of life.

I was at 1 - 500 with andi pink when it first opened and now around 1 - 1500 or so.
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here are Andi Pink's conversion stats for today up to the fucking minute - first page uniques, all traffic, crap included

1:627

if you want me to sceencap it i will.

less than 10% of single girl sites can match that - and she REBILLS.
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