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2HousePlague · 12-23-2005, 12:38 PM

Well, It's ON, it's learning aggressively, and it's setting down a "basis layer" of crawl information, but it is gettimng more discerning every day. I can't believe how little discussed google blogsearch has been on this board, even as you ALL hop onto the blog bandwagon for google goodness -- i didn't get that, but noticed a handful of you were hip. I have made every effort to enthusiastically salute all whom i find swimming in deep water -- if i have not said hello, it's only because we have not bumped heads in the night -- i am doing things rather visibly, which puts me at a social disadvantage --

I hope it's abundantly clear to those who would worry otherwise that i know there are people here who know all this already -- and they are not the ones contradicting me in my threads --

2hp

psili · 12-23-2005, 12:42 PM

I, personally, can't wait until blogs die and RSS is actually used appropriately.

That's just me though.

The net's been proliferating, un-bounded by natural selection, much like humanity. And it sucks.

2HousePlague · 12-23-2005, 01:42 PM

As I was explainig to Franck, the dissolution of the unit of content called "page" has left us

with "instantiations of dynamic content via templates and feeds, with design, visual

appearance, and user interface provided remotely through CSS." These pages don't exist. They

are contingent instructions for running scripts There was no way to avoid this happening, and

it's a very good thing -- URI's can be made and changed for large numbers of content items in

a few seconds, and yet it all remains emimently readable and traceable by the spider who

absorbs these changes almost seamlessly. The contribution of the blogform is all this backend

power in an irresitibele user vehicle for individual expression. But gone are the days of the

lonely, pathetic webmaster making lovely things no one will ever see. The blogs also bring a

form of democracy that is by far the most awesome development on the web to date.

Previously I wrote:

Quote:

RSS comes into play as the mechansm through which Syndicators will deliver content to

Afiliates, and through which Affiliates will communicate with each other and Syndicate

Forward.

While it is already commonly understood and expected that sponsor programs will give you tools

and content to help you promote them, the tipping point in that relationship is definitely

shifing in favor of the traffic sender.

Here again, RSS comes into the picture, as Sponsors/Syndicators pump billions into affliate

acquisition marketing. Production costs rise with audience market share. And audiences are

notoriously fickle. This is exactly like broadcast television, during its sponsored hey-day,

with a few very important differences.

1.For Syndicator/Sponsors the top line will no longer be limited because it is a

function of available ad-space or air-time inventory. Once you have spent a million dollars

for 30 seconds on the Super Bowl, where do you go from there?
2. In contrast, revenues from online sales will be comparatively unlimited. Affiliates

will be the ones who open markets for companies, using cultural, language and technological

expertise to monetize "traffic" in all its forms and wherever it exists.
3. The use of the Web for value transfer of unprecedented global scale creates new

billionaires all over the world, in many cases ovenight.
4. Everyone has a net "presence" of some sort, and whether they are recommending a

dentist to a friend or operating a $50,000/day e-commerce site -- we are ALL affiliates.
5. The onus of performance shifts all the way to the Syndicator/Sponsors. Just as it is

today, the programs with the highest payouts and the best tools win -- except in this future

scenario, Affiliate Marketing is the only marketing.

But back to images.., images and a few other "object" file formats are going to take on a more

substantive role in trustrank computations and other "assessments" companies will undergo
becuse they will be the most substantive (changeless) things people link to -- more

importanly, they will play a large role in feeding the next stage of the spider's evolution,

cognitive complexities such as

metaphor. This is where you must

stop thinking that the aim of this is misdirection or deception. You think Google is content

to have only solid/binary values of meaning shape the spider's actions? Course not. They

want it to PERFORM. Before I commence the list of things I would say are "rules", please

remember that a SE that has undertaken the enormous challenge of indexing and providing access to all collected human knowledge has got to learn some things. TEACH IT, INTEREST IT, REVEAL YOUR COMPLEXITY to it, it likes that a lot.

2hp

Dirty F · 12-23-2005, 02:47 PM

Kaboink.

2HousePlague · 12-23-2005, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck

Kaboink.

put your wings on.

2hp

nico-t · 12-23-2005, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

Trust. It's suddenly all about trust -- and amazingly -- the mathematical expression of trust. But since, "trust" is TRUST after all, something we have some sense of, you don't need math to produce "trust effect" only an understanding of the concept.

This is still a little abstract, but TRUST me -- lol-- you will be happy to have had the details grounded in these abstractions.

You recall the episode of STNG when data has the "emotion chip" installed -- he goes haywire in the most exhilirating (for him) way. That's kinda what it was like when Google put the "trust module" (just to call it something) online. Haywire. Red was gray and yellow white as the Moody Blues said. But it soon stabliized and began to evidence behavior Now it reminds me of Starman -- intense intellect, impenetrably deep remote and alien -- but LEARNING aggressively.

More in a moment...

2hp

____________

2HousePlague · 12-23-2005, 08:29 PM

The framework for specfic dont's and do's is simply the question: "What would a 'trustworthy'

web site do?"

DATA STRUCTURES AND GENERAL SITE ORGANIZATION

1. You would be a source of "original"* content, that INCREASES it's archive size at regular

intervals.

2. The material in archive mode would be distinguished by i. the oldest files very seldom

changing or moving, and ii. the addition of new material follows the organizational principles

in evidence in the earlier archive. In other words, if the archive is arranged alphabetically

then the new stuff should observe that organization, etc.

3. Data structures should show long-term planning when they are set-up.

4. Some organization is better than none. The benefit to being as organized as possible is it

allows the Spider to be more predictive, and therefore more efficient. Sites where the spider

performs well are the same as good sites. It has no judgement, remember.

CONTENT

Avoid having your content resemeble a big fuzzy, undifferentiated morass. The way trust works

for content (both images and pages) is you draw or suggest a line for the spider to assess.

You say "That is porn, and that is images of ripe strawberries." And you see if it believes

you.

In a bit, I'll tell you exactly how to categorize and name your images for maximum indexing

and maxumum trust.

2hp

*(Or an original combination of syndicated content)

Dirty F · 12-24-2005, 07:34 AM

Continue please.

Rui · 12-24-2005, 08:02 AM

No offense I like some of the things you are saying but it seems you are writting all that under the influence of mushrooms or something like that...ehh

2HousePlague · 12-24-2005, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rui

No offense I like some of the things you are saying but it seems you are writting all that under the influence of mushrooms or something like that...ehh

Really? Is it that incomprehensible to you? Your statement means either "I am stupid." or "I hate you, Jack." Which is it? And who are you? And why do you have an opinion? How have I ever offended or hurt you? Merry Christmas.

2hp

2HousePlague · 12-24-2005, 02:30 PM

Above I alluded that "giving the spider pause" is a good thing, that making it scratch its noggin a bit is a good thing. That much will get you noticed (indexed). But, to really win the spider's love you have to expand its mind.

Metaphor has proven a very exciting area of AI research for me. The metaphorical, for being the opposite of what computers are -- literal --
takes the burgeoning AI of the Google Spider into an uncharted direction heuristically and increases its power to serve our inmformation retrieval needs.

Here's a simple example I just whipped to show you how you can Teach The Google Spider Metaphor.

The basic elements are...

1. An image I've just indexed for bridge and for profitlabinc:

2. A high-ranking image for "spectrum"

3. And this:

A SPECTRUM IS A BRIDGE

Simple as that.

The spider feels pretty confident the above image is a spectrum, and since my decently ranked site has established the above image as a bridge, as related to my company name, and is fairly new in the index, we create for it the opportunity to enlarge its "sense" of what this image could be about. Hereafter, we also establish a connection in the Spider's mind between "bridges" and "spectrums" -- it will probably find others, and each time say "A-ha!"

2hp

Inde · 12-24-2005, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

Trust. It's suddenly all about trust -- and amazingly -- the mathematical expression of trust. But since, "trust" is TRUST after all, something we have some sense of, you don't need math to produce "trust effect" only an understanding of the concept.

This is still a little abstract, but TRUST me -- lol-- you will be happy to have had the details grounded in these abstractions.

You recall the episode of STNG when data has the "emotion chip" installed -- he goes haywire in the most exhilirating (for him) way. That's kinda what it was like when Google put the "trust module" (just to call it something) online. Haywire. Red was gray and yellow white as the Moody Blues said. But it soon stabliized and began to evidence behavior Now it reminds me of Starman -- intense intellect, impenetrably deep remote and alien -- but LEARNING aggressively.

More in a moment...

2hp

put down the pipe please

12-24-2005, 03:02 PM

what the fuck is wrong with this guy?

2HousePlague · 12-24-2005, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Equinox

what the fuck is wrong with this guy?

just a little strange.

2hp

Mr Pheer · 12-24-2005, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

Really? Is it that incomprehensible to you? Your statement means either "I am stupid." or "I hate you, Jack." Which is it? And who are you? And why do you have an opinion? How have I ever offended or hurt you? Merry Christmas.

2hp

Jack

I'm not stupid and have nothing but love for ya man... but sometimes I have a hard time understanding this stuff to

nico-t · 12-24-2005, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

Above I alluded that "giving the spider pause" is a good thing, that making it scratch its noggin a bit is a good thing. That much will get you noticed (indexed). But, to really win the spider's love you have to expand its mind.

Metaphor has proven a very exciting area of AI research for me. The metaphorical, for being the opposite of what computers are -- literal --
takes the burgeoning AI of the Google Spider into an uncharted direction heuristically and increases its power to serve our inmformation retrieval needs.

Here's a simple example I just whipped to show you how you can Teach The Google Spider Metaphor.

The basic elements are...

1. An image I've just indexed for bridge and for profitlabinc:

2. A high-ranking image for "spectrum"

3. And this:

A SPECTRUM IS A BRIDGE

Simple as that.

The spider feels pretty confident the above image is a spectrum, and since my decently ranked site has established the above image as a bridge, as related to my company name, and is fairly new in the index, we create for it the opportunity to enlarge its "sense" of what this image could be about. Hereafter, we also establish a connection in the Spider's mind between "bridges" and "spectrums" -- it will probably find others, and each time say "A-ha!"

2hp

now this was a nice post

Rui · 12-24-2005, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

Really? Is it that incomprehensible to you? Your statement means either "I am stupid." or "I hate you, Jack." Which is it? And who are you? And why do you have an opinion? How have I ever offended or hurt you? Merry Christmas.

2hp

chill the fuck out...I think my post was quite clear...

hate you?...

why do I have an opinion?

wtf....

2HousePlague · 12-24-2005, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrPheer

Jack

I'm not stupid and have nothing but love for ya man... but sometimes I have a hard time understanding this stuff to

Thanks, Will -- love you, too

I'd be happy to try to make the material a little more "digestible".

Was THAT the message, rui ? Did I misunderstand? I'd be happy to do that, if you ask --

2hp

2HousePlague · 12-24-2005, 06:48 PM

In the spirit of "tying things together"...

What does it cost you to do business only with your friends?

2hp

Rui · 12-24-2005, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

Thanks, Will -- love you, too

I'd be happy to try to make the material a little more "digestible".

Was THAT the message, rui ? Did I misunderstand? I'd be happy to do that, if you ask --

2hp

not really, that last post was in response for your "going berzerk posture"...a bit uncalled for IMHO, but hey whatever works for you I guess...

2HousePlague · 12-24-2005, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rui

not really, that last post was in response for your "going berzerk posture"...a bit uncalled for IMHO, but hey whatever works for you I guess...

"berzerk" -- ? --

You must be from Scandinavia. Brother, I'm a spic-Jew -- you think that was berzerk --

2hp

2HousePlague · 06-23-2006, 05:34 PM

2hp

12-23-2005, 12:38 PM	#51
2HousePlague CURATOR Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: the attic Posts: 14,572	Well, It's ON, it's learning aggressively, and it's setting down a "basis layer" of crawl information, but it is gettimng more discerning every day. I can't believe how little discussed google blogsearch has been on this board, even as you ALL hop onto the blog bandwagon for google goodness -- i didn't get that, but noticed a handful of you were hip. I have made every effort to enthusiastically salute all whom i find swimming in deep water -- if i have not said hello, it's only because we have not bumped heads in the night -- i am doing things rather visibly, which puts me at a social disadvantage -- I hope it's abundantly clear to those who would worry otherwise that i know there are people here who know all this already -- and they are not the ones contradicting me in my threads -- 2hp __________________ tada!

12-23-2005, 12:42 PM	#52
psili Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Loveland, CO Posts: 5,526	I, personally, can't wait until blogs die and RSS is actually used appropriately. That's just me though. The net's been proliferating, un-bounded by natural selection, much like humanity. And it sucks. __________________ Your post count means nothing.

12-23-2005, 08:29 PM	#57
2HousePlague CURATOR Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: the attic Posts: 14,572	The framework for specfic dont's and do's is simply the question: "What would a 'trustworthy' web site do?" DATA STRUCTURES AND GENERAL SITE ORGANIZATION 1. You would be a source of "original"* content, that INCREASES it's archive size at regular intervals. 2. The material in archive mode would be distinguished by i. the oldest files very seldom changing or moving, and ii. the addition of new material follows the organizational principles in evidence in the earlier archive. In other words, if the archive is arranged alphabetically then the new stuff should observe that organization, etc. 3. Data structures should show long-term planning when they are set-up. 4. Some organization is better than none. The benefit to being as organized as possible is it allows the Spider to be more predictive, and therefore more efficient. Sites where the spider performs well are the same as good sites. It has no judgement, remember. CONTENT Avoid having your content resemeble a big fuzzy, undifferentiated morass. The way trust works for content (both images and pages) is you draw or suggest a line for the spider to assess. You say "That is porn, and that is images of ripe strawberries." And you see if it believes you. In a bit, I'll tell you exactly how to categorize and name your images for maximum indexing and maxumum trust. 2hp *(Or an original combination of syndicated content) __________________ tada!

12-24-2005, 02:30 PM	#61
2HousePlague CURATOR Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: the attic Posts: 14,572	Above I alluded that "giving the spider pause" is a good thing, that making it scratch its noggin a bit is a good thing. That much will get you noticed (indexed). But, to really win the spider's love you have to expand its mind. Metaphor has proven a very exciting area of AI research for me. The metaphorical, for being the opposite of what computers are -- literal -- takes the burgeoning AI of the Google Spider into an uncharted direction heuristically and increases its power to serve our inmformation retrieval needs. Here's a simple example I just whipped to show you how you can Teach The Google Spider Metaphor. The basic elements are... 1. An image I've just indexed for bridge and for profitlabinc: 2. A high-ranking image for "spectrum" 3. And this: A SPECTRUM IS A BRIDGE Simple as that. The spider feels pretty confident the above image is a spectrum, and since my decently ranked site has established the above image as a bridge, as related to my company name, and is fairly new in the index, we create for it the opportunity to enlarge its "sense" of what this image could be about. Hereafter, we also establish a connection in the Spider's mind between "bridges" and "spectrums" -- it will probably find others, and each time say "A-ha!" 2hp __________________ tada!

12-24-2005, 06:48 PM	#69
2HousePlague CURATOR Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: the attic Posts: 14,572	In the spirit of "tying things together"... What does it cost you to do business only with your friends? 2hp __________________ tada!

12-23-2005, 02:47 PM	#54
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Kaboink.

12-24-2005, 07:34 AM	#58
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Continue please.

12-24-2005, 08:02 AM	#59
Rui web Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: On icq: 85-483-060 Posts: 9,533	No offense I like some of the things you are saying but it seems you are writting all that under the influence of mushrooms or something like that...ehh

12-24-2005, 03:02 PM	#63
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	what the fuck is wrong with this guy?

06-23-2006, 05:34 PM	#72
2HousePlague CURATOR Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: the attic Posts: 14,572	2hp __________________ tada!