It is time to show your outrage

[theking]

...over the recent Supreme Court decision involving imminent domain. Since the decision...properties all around the nation are in the process of being seized and given to a private enities...to build this or that...and the local governments are going along to increase the local tax base. Imminent domain is written into the constitution but only provides for the seizure of property for public use...like a park...a road...a bridge etc. The Supreme Court expanded upon this to include seizing the private property of one citizen to give to another citizen/private enterprise.

In Florida there is a move being made on a group of two thousand homes...involving the displacement of up to 6,000 people. In Oakland a move is being made on a man that has owned a business for decades. In another case a move is being made on a lady whose home has been in the family for 65 years and an adjacent business has been in the family for 56 years. These are just some of the moves being made since the "outrageous" ruling of the Sumpreme Court a few months ago.

Contact your Congressman via phone...e-mail...fax...or snail mail at least once per week expressing your outrage and demanding that Congress do something to correct this "outrageous" decision made by the Supreme Court. In addition complain to your local media in the hopes that they will keep this "outrage" in the public eye.

[Titty Fucker]

That's what happens when you vote Republican

[ElvisManson]

ok...whose got a timeline pic?

[Mike Okitch]

The majority of GFY won't be outraged...they're renting.

[BoyAlley]

Originally Posted by Mike Okitch

The majority of GFY won't be outraged...they're renting.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Titty Fucker

That's what happens when you vote Republican

It was the so called liberal Supreme Court Justices that made the "outrageous" decision.

[sonofsam]

Theking: why do you care? your house is portable

[Doctor Dre]

OMG You made a good political thread ;) Congrats !

Now, luckily, I'm not american... and there isn't much I can do about it.

[pornguy]

" Contact your Congressman via phone...e-mail...fax...or snail mail at least once per week expressing your outrage and demanding that Congress do something to correct this "outrageous" decision made by the Supreme Court. In addition complain to your local media in the hopes that they will keep this "outrage" in the public eye."

this is a waste of time. the best route to fixing this issue is to seize the property of the Justices.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by sonofsam

Theking: why do you care? your house is portable

FYI, he bought his USED ....

[theking]

Originally Posted by pornguy

" Contact your Congressman via phone...e-mail...fax...or snail mail at least once per week expressing your outrage and demanding that Congress do something to correct this "outrageous" decision made by the Supreme Court. In addition complain to your local media in the hopes that they will keep this "outrage" in the public eye."

this is a waste of time. the best route to fixing this issue is to seize the property of the Justices.

There is already a move to seize two of the Justices properties.

[pr0]

Originally Posted by Titty Fucker

That's what happens when you vote Republican

no thats what happens when you give the govt unchecked power, like that provided in the patriot act

the patriot act silences dissent, thus shifting power from the people back to the govt

there is no "party", the 2 party system is merely a diversion

[ElvisManson]

Originally Posted by theking

There is already a move to seize two of the Justices properties.

you should provide links. This IS the internet after all.

http://www.freestarmedia.com/hotellostliberty2.html

[theking]

Bump....

[BV]

sad, but it's for the better of the community as a whole, i do believe that they should be compensated at fair market value or relocated to something better than what they have for the inconvenience

[jade_dragon]

Originally Posted by Titty Fucker

That's what happens when you vote Republican

no that is what happens when you are poor. And please do not go into a "first them, then you, it will never stop" because that simply is not how it works. When people talk about wanting to aquire money and power it is not only for ego trips it is to protect themselves from things like this. Being poor is a bad idea, ask anyone from New Orleans who has common sense. Know where most of the FEMA money is going, people who live in well off parts of New Orleans and the northshore area like Mandeville and Covington right outside of Slidell that city that got wiped off the face of the map. The reason is because they want those houses put back up, they want those businesses back in, they do not want blight in the city.

I learned my lesson early. I was at my gf's family beach house one summer. Every hour or so a lifeguard helicopter flew by, it happened everyday I was there. I was on the private beach side of the island. On the other side of the island was the public beach, no helicopters at all, no lifeguards, swim at your own risk. When I got home it was shark week, they gave the location of a bunch of attacks, all within 5 miles of where I was. Coastguard was there looking out for sharks for all of us on the beach while it was sink or swim for the people on the public beaches not very far away. This told me that the rich are looked out for and the poor are on their own, i could either try to change it, or i could work within the system to set myself AND THEN try to change it.

Money and power go together, enough people with enough money and power together are going to be protected by those who do not have as much (their workers/government/business) at the expense of those around them. This is nothing new, so you either take your chances being poor or you get money and power so you do not have to deal with it if you do not want to. Can you show me where the people are not getting market value for their homes and property and just being thrown out on the streets?

[HomoErectus]

This eminent domain thing is gonna piss off the wrong redneck family and theres gonna be a hella gun battle to erupt over this stupid shit... so after a few people are killed maybe then the all knowing god like justices will change thier minds........

[jade_dragon]

So you think a few gun toting people are going to FORCE the US government into changing policy with some shotguns? Waco ring a bell here? That is what happens when seperatists mix it up with governmental agency force. Shotguns are not very effective against tanks and S.W.A.T.

That was the thought process behind the first world trade attack i believe, after that did not work they tried again, you see any change in policy to satiate them? On the contrary what happened to them? So why do you think that a social group that the majority of the people of the country really would rather not live around are going to force the governing body of this country to change through non democratic means?

[HomoErectus]

Dude we have some crazy gun toting people out there that take their land very seriously... and I hope it doesnt get nasty.. cause i got a feeling after one redneck family puts up a physical fight another one will follow...

Btw.. big differenct between waco and this issue.

[spunkmaster]

"That's what happens when you vote Republican"

The democrats voted for this not the Republicans

The democrats are also pushing to outlaw and tax porn !

I'm not a Republican and never ever have been but why the fuck porn webmasters
worship democrats just boggle my mind.

If you don't remember Clinton tried to outlawed porn and it got overturned by the Republicans on the supreme court !

[HomoErectus]

Its all getting outta hand... this whole fucking trend of letting each individual city/county government make thier laws is just rediculous... having one thing illegal in Polk county FL and the same thing LEGAL in Orange County FL... and giving each town the ability to ban/control adult businesses and NOW the whole abuse of Eminent Domain... Things are going to get reeeaaaallly ugly before it gets better.. and i really believe it will get better.

[Gunni]

you guys need to start rioting more over stupid stuff the government does.
That plus mass strikes that would cost the country hundreds of millions each time would deffinately do the trick

[jade_dragon]

Originally Posted by HomoErectus

Dude we have some crazy gun toting people out there that take their land very seriously... and I hope it doesnt get nasty.. cause i got a feeling after one redneck family puts up a physical fight another one will follow...

Btw.. big differenct between waco and this issue.

really because i see the common denominator of lower middle class/lower class seperatism, which most lower class people flirt with dangerously all the time. See a lot of upper middle class people joining malitias and para military groups? Why not, because for them life aint so bad and they have LOTS to lose. I understand one was a cult and the other are people who have nothing to lose and feel that the government owes them the right for them to just run their areas into the ground as a "god given" BUT god does not enforce his rules as fast and as broadly as those who make the laws of the land do, love it or (and you have the option to) leave it.

If you can not beat them, join them, in this case what in the hell is the worst thing that could happen to poor people for saying. "Well shit, I think I need to end whatever habits are keeping me in this situation, ie drugs, alchahol, multiple children, gambling, stupid purchases and get on the good foot so that the powerful can not take my shit" and yes it IS that easy and it can and is being done everyday, each day this happens someone will open their eyes and get their shit straight and get out of the hood or the trailor park.

If the poor were better using their land they would be more productive communities and the masses would help them fight against those "evil" corporate monsters IF they were going to even try to do something like this. This is a trickle down economy, big business is going to use the land to make more products to make more money for people to buy to put the money back at the top. If those people were making themselves more productive in life, like most of us here, they would be working with those companies and be left alone, as it is they are only buying some products occasionally so why would the giant care about the anthill if he can build a home on it?

Social Darwanism, evolve or perish, the world is a hard place, life is a priveledge not a right, you work for it or you lose it.

[Tempest]

I find it interesting that you blame the Supreme Court.. It's the government that passed the laws that made this possible, not the Supreme Court. If the law(s) were cut and dry and did not conflict with the constitution and/or bill of rights, issues like this would never even get to the Supreme Court...

[luv$]

Dude, you never post any links, sources or anything of the like to A) add to credibility or B) Do anything about it....

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

I understand what you are saying Jade. The only Caveat is that there are well educated poor people, smart as nails. Going out and getting rich is not a day and night thing. Poor people do not set out to be poort they all want to be rich, and the sad fact is they are never going to be rich. Thats just the way it is.

Poor families remain poor families not because they have problems but because they simply CANT get ahead. Wont Get Ahead, will never get ahead.

If you are born poor you are likely to die poor and thats all there is to it.

There is a CLASS system in all nations and the class system is becomming very appearent in America. More poor people fewer rich people.

I understand most of you were born and were bred and raised to achieve, be intelligent and go through life believing in hardwork or smart work bring in big money.

BULLSHIT.
Thats total bullshit. Its a pipe dream.

Money is alot of things, a ton of things and with it comes ability.

Abilities financially others do not have.

Ya got money ya can open a company, hire people, and kick back and still make money. The Poor do not have those options, most never will. Some will spend thier entire lives trying to do something as simple as open a small shop.
All the while one with money from Family, Inheritance can do it faster and easier once the decsision is made to do it.


I will use myself as a perfect example. I am not rich, I am not middle class. I am nearly poor. I make a little money in the biz and save all I can, but it really is not shit.
I managed to open a company sure, but I sure as hell got a long ways to go.

Oh lets say I did have money.

Simple I open shop hire 5 designers set up a manager and buy advertising. Voila done money. 5 times the output and a steady stream of clients through advertising and watching pretty designs being made.

I know plenty of guys in this very biz have done EXACTLY that!

Me...
I never could afford it I am to busy trying to just survive.
There will never be a big step to wealth or rich. Odds are I am going to die poor just like my family has done for generations.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Or if ya are wealthy come froma wealthy family you can just chill for the rest of you're life maybe have a kid and pass it on...

No drama thats all there is to it and believe this.
Many wealthy people do JUST THAT!

[Saeun]

What the fuck is wrong with you people?

'Outrage' is a word for 30-something soccer moms with mental problems.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Saeun

What the fuck is wrong with you people?

'Outrage' is a word for 30-something soccer moms with mental problems.

They wont be taking out Soccer Moms houses, that would upset Middle class suburbia, they gonna go for the real poor people that can't defend themselves.

thats where power comes in.

Hire security, attornies, and work with the local government.
Thats money and power.

Shit poor people just do not have.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Tempest

I find it interesting that you blame the Supreme Court.. It's the government that passed the laws that made this possible, not the Supreme Court. If the law(s) were cut and dry and did not conflict with the constitution and/or bill of rights, issues like this would never even get to the Supreme Court...

Not really...the Supreme Court...simply chose to expand upon imminent domain...which is a part of the constitution.

[theking]

Contact your Congressman.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by theking

Not really...the Supreme Court...simply chose to expand upon imminent domain...which is a part of the constitution.

But they only did that because the government wanted them to and it didn't violate the Constitution and other current laws. If the government didn't want the expanded imminent domain than it never would have gone before the Supreme Court.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by BV

sad, but it's for the better of the community as a whole, i do believe that they should be compensated at fair market value or relocated to something better than what they have for the inconvenience

What is "fair market value"? If I own a piece of property, expect the value to rise, and want to hold on to it because of that, is the only value it has the current value? If this guy had been forced to sell his home 20 years ago for "fair market value", he would have been screwed out of quite a bit of money.

Fair market value only has meaning within a free market, where transactions are free rather than forced.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Tempest

But they only did that because the government wanted them to and it didn't violate the Constitution and other current laws. If the government didn't want the expanded imminent domain than it never would have gone before the Supreme Court.

Which government are you speaking about...local...county...state...or federal? Can you site the government case that brought it before the Supreme Court?

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by theking

Which government are you speaking about...local...county...state...or federal? Can you site the government case that brought it before the Supreme Court?

Does it really matter which level of "government"? The fact is that any level of government can use it to take away peoples properties.. And you're right, the government didn't take it to the court.. They already have the ability to do it and it's the fucked over individuals that have taken it to the court to try and get it ruled as illegal.