Originally Posted by Shooting_Maniac1

What an ignorant post. I would and always will do business people that put their monies back into their company rather then blowing it on a bunch of snot nosed 18 year old kids or a 33 year old that feels he is owed somethng. Un fucking real. How is investing money back into their company in lue of throwing bs parties where 90% of the people there never send them traffic anyways, "sucking money out of the industry"?. Its the total opposite. Fuck the parties, give us more content, more galleries, higher payouts, more site options. Let the kiddies buy their own damn bear. I send my clients a nice Christmas gift every year. I dont have to get them all fucked up and put a titty in their face to keep their business. Glad I dont either.... cuz the day after the show, they have forgot your name. Contest can be cool, if they are planned and targeted, but my god.. using parties and give aways as a buisness plan is just dumb. Service should win everytime and in the end.. it always does.

I didnt read this whole thread... maybe it was a joke thread by your Roger and if so, im sorry. If its not a joke, then its the dumbest thing you have ever said.

:2 cents:

Originally Posted by BrettJ

Sorry to hear that the people in this thread have swayed your opinion of sponsoring events.

But as the party lists get smaller - the people I talk to - seem to take more notice of the companies that are always involved in helping organize/get people together. Platinumbucks, Lensmans' Projects, Topbucks, CCBill - seem to be on the top of the list of companies that are continually sponsoring events.

I still don't do nearly enough with the companies I just mentioned - but I definately notice the effort they put out. Everybody else would too - if they dried up.

Originally Posted by RogerV

I guess your a sucker then LOL

your telling me programs like Silvercash,topbucks, hustler,Adult.com I can go on and on dont put there money back into the company and give you everyhting you just mentioned and more?

Originally Posted by WEG Cory

We try to mix things up as much as possible. We do contest / giveaways, raise payouts and play host to gatherings. You just have to be as smart and as optimal as possible when you do them.

The contest are a double-edge sword in a way, as most of the time the winner isn't your affiliate and will never send traffic, however, you really just exposed your product, for whatever that is worth (something of which you may never know).

With gatherings, you just have to be methodical and insure that both non-affiliates you have never met and current affiliates show up. We try to do this by teaming up with other non-competing programs.

At the end of the day, you will be judged by your product: the content, the billing schematics, the support, etc.

The financials in an IPOD giveaway in no way effect payout raises. We will always raise payouts before doing a contest, I think most programs would.

You have a great product Roger and you obviously care about it, I wouldn't read too much into events and IPOD giveaways. I would also not allow one thread to set the tone for all your future marketing, IMO.

I need a new ad from you when you get an opportunity :)

Originally Posted by Shooting_Maniac1

Didnt mean to be all harsh there Roger... Just seen to many new companies more concerned about the "party" then the product. The serious people here only care about the product. Getting together now and then is cool and everyone likes that, but to cater to a bunch of kids who has no clue on who you are or what you do is pointless and theres no finanical reward, longterm in doing so. However, the serious kids understand the value of increased sales tools and better content and day to day support and service that will help put food on their tables. Dont go after the kid looking for beer money for the weekends... those are the pricks that show up at those parties anymore. Go for the kids that wanna eat and ask questions, proving they are in it for more then the beer and peaks at some tits. Those people will come find you if your product is strong. Put the money into the company. Few on here have the resources to do it right. Ron and ccbill is one that does and has always put on parties that were benefical for all those that attended.


:thumbsup

Originally Posted by TDF

one of the worst..threads..ever

Originally Posted by RogerV

why it hits home?

Originally Posted by TDF

not at all..it just shows me how much I really value low key sponsors.Customer service and good content is king

Originally Posted by RogerV

thanks my brotha it wasnt even about me but I didnt want people to think I was complaining it was more of a general topic.

Hit me up tomorrow for the ad

and It bugs me but I will prob. continue to mix it up like you guys do. :thumbsup

Originally Posted by RogerV

what programs never give back by sponsoring party's at the shows or do contest on the boards etc.

what programs just take from the community and are not part of it or care to be?


Personally I would never do biz with them :2 cents:


Post away if you have the balls

Originally Posted by WEG Cory

Toughest thing for me to learn is that in this business, there is no hard-formula with marketing (not that I need to tell you that, you know better than I do).

At the end of the day, the product is what will sell the webmaster, how you get there is a different story. Bang Brothers and Nastydollars have a great product and word of mouth attracts tons of business for them. That is their marketing and that is where most any program strives to be. You have a great product as well and you work hard at marketing it, it will pay off, seems it already has.

People just misread they way you communicated the thread's contents, it actually is informing.

Have a nice night man.

Originally Posted by Translation

dumbest post EVER.

Originally Posted by wargames

Basically it comes down to how much a sponsor makes me every month. I personally dont care if they throw parties or do contests. If i send sponsor A 30k hits and that makes $2500 and i send sponsor B 30k hits and that only makes $1000 and they throw parties who do you think i am going to send more traffic to next month? :)

Originally Posted by RogerV

we are talking about hundreds of programs though and many that do give back in many ways and are part of the commuity and also have exclusive content etc.

what if sponsor c 30k hits and make you $3000 and does contest, sponsors parties and bars and gives away free shit

who are you going to send all your traffic too?

Originally Posted by Sly

Obviously Sponsor C because it makes more money. The contests, parties, and give-aways don't come into the picture.

What you should have said was: if Sponsor A and B make you $3k but Sponsor B has parties and contests, who would you pick?

For me it would still be a toss up unless one offer rewards.

Originally Posted by Sly

Oh, and actually, David from PG posts here quite often and offers a plethora of knowledge on a regular basis. I'd much rather have his knowledge than a few free drinks at a loud party where I can't hear myself think. I should be buying him the drinks, rather.

Originally Posted by JMan

I have to agree with Roger, since we been doing these contest three revsharehosting and our chat seminars we are seeing both sponsors giving away thousands of dollars and affiliates benefitting from it all. To me it's like nurturing the industry... if you don't do squat you don't deserve squat.

Originally Posted by Jim Hustler

Mark can you design box covers???

Originally Posted by slapass

Fuck, i was posting how contests are dumb, and the whole time I was working on sending traffic to Pussycash on that $50k give away contest.

Roger, ignore anything I said in here. I met the owner in LA at some function he was sponsoring and I mentioned how I love the new contest and the car one was cool. I had intended to do this work before but got busy and was just gettting to it now.

I am dogging the whole sponsor and event and board whore contests when the whole time I was working to send traffic because of those two things....

:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by slapass

Fuck, i was posting how contests are dumb, and the whole time I was working on sending traffic to Pussycash on that $50k give away contest.

Roger, ignore anything I said in here. I met the owner in LA at some function he was sponsoring and I mentioned how I love the new contest and the car one was cool. I had intended to do this work before but got busy and was just gettting to it now.

I am dogging the whole sponsor and event and board whore contests when the whole time I was working to send traffic because of those two things....

:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

i pay my taxes. thats all i need todo.

Originally Posted by pornguy

Remember also that not all of the comapnies give things away in the open, and brag about it. Some send things to thier affiliates, and some dont.

Originally Posted by Sly

Oh, and actually, David from PG posts here quite often and offers a plethora of knowledge on a regular basis. I'd much rather have his knowledge than a few free drinks at a loud party where I can't hear myself think. I should be buying him the drinks, rather.