why would anything but conversions matter? if sponsor x makes me a few hundred bucks more per week than sponsor y who throws great parties and gives away xboxs, im gonna promote sponsor x.

like many i've never been to a show, never participated in a contest and never cared much about giveaways. conversions usually tank on giveaway days anyways.

people care about which sponsor puts more money in their pocket before anything else. i wouldn't call that not giving back to the community.

I just wanna know why why some of the most widespread programs have barely any, if any presence on this board. ie. Perfect Gonzo, Nasty dollars, etc.

Great post :thumbsup

I agree with you dont just promote on what they give back but on there conversions as well.

but I do see your point.. that said I will out convert those you promote who are not part of the community

take me up on a challenge if I dont convert better then your best sponsor I will pay you double what you would have made with them just for your time.

Why do you think designers are getting raped? Designers can set their own prices and get paid upfront. Companies pay the designers, everyone is happy, did you expect to own a percent of the website for your design? if so, I believe you are crazy.

No shit huh? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Did more business and made more contacts/friends there, than at all the blowout parties combined --- not to mention that I'm not into blowout parties. Used to go to the blowout parties just to be seen, but I'd end up leaving anyway. Now, I'd rather just hang with friends (or play Let It Ride with them - right Todd? :winkwink: ) - sure wish the NatNet Suite thing hadn't blown up to the point where they had to change directions :(

:winkwink: :upsidedow

The smaller NatNet parties were awesome. But when they got to the point where people were showing up who didn't know what a bidet was......... ;)

They all drive really nice cars from what I hear :1orglaugh and dont care much about us :2 cents:

What programs or content providers etc have done biz with them?
Just curious because I have never met an owner of either program

but I hear they throw great parties

BTW nothing against either program I dont really care

Paid up front?
Sure but during that PAID upfront process...

The price is knocked down, haggled and the prices are generally based on competitve pricing. Meaning that the company ultimatly got the best deal.

I been around long enough to know that it is not ability in the technical field but the price that most companies base there decision on. After all the haggling the innovator of lets just say...

A design tour.

600 bucks lets say?

That 600 dollar design nets over 20K during its duration of use.
Hundreds of affilaites relie on that tour and materials it comprises often done by the same designer or two and in most cases OUTSOURCED assets.

As a consultant and designer and content producer I know the deal and its the deal I play everyday, there is not one business dealing I have done knowing that I was not being taken advantage of for my abilities to a degree.

Hell I even designed for you! But what I am saying does not apply to you but generally it does from an existential point of view looking in, the internet is a buyers market, prices are low. In short the Bulls are out. I know the deal and how it goes and never really angry about it, I been doing it to long to get upset.

But I am a whore and treated like one for the love of money, while in the course I got little choice.
Thats the life of "Little People".

Then you have the other side of that coin... if Hustler is not buying everyone a drink or have a booth or throwing fucking money everywhere

"OMG Hustler is really tanking or so and so is totally doing better than Hustler, Hustler is this Hustler is that......

Hustler has never been doing better....Hustler is throwing a party in Vegas....Hustler will have its best year in 2006 to date.

Do I think it is becuae we throw parties... no not at all...do I think we benefit from the parties we throw...sure to an extent...

I think it can be a solid move for a young company looking to reach the next level from a marketing position but I do think that sponsoring the same gigs year in and year out can be a waste of time and will eventually make your brand invisible...

RonC does this well by only throwing things here and there...

ah, the memories..... :1orglaugh

Hey I'm not mad at ya speak your mind let it out :thumbsup

You are a great guy Roger, ya know from day one I have only wished ya the best:)

I am good sport about things and know when people have earned it.

You have earned it all the way. Which is why I love doing biz with ya:)
So any time yer rdy :thumbsup

you guys are a great example of a program giving back and are part of the community :thumbsup I love doing biz with Hustler..

another Great example with RonC he still gives back and trust me he doesnt need anything :)

I actually have an idea for designers and content providers to make more with us. let me hem it out

Mark can you design box covers???

throwing parties or having a board presence does not qualify as "giving back". some of the best sponsors do neither of these things and i hope they never do. they need to spend their money on their content.

A designer should not accept a job for that little then. Rarely we need a designer, but when we do, we pay wayyyyy more then that, and we pay upfront or however they want to deal with it. We dont need to haggle or any of that B.S. You just need to set rules and follow them, people that wont play by the rules, you dont deal with.

Nah that wouldn't happen. I mean nobody (cough WebInc) operates like that.

Someone posted on the weekend about an 80% recurring payout and I almost fell off my chair laughing.

If you believe anything over 70% you are an idiot.

We offer 70% and it's very close after costs, almost not worth it.

LOL

Of course:)

Hit me up. No one is buying shit as they scramble for Internext and Chrismas.

Easy.

They're too busy making people money to worry about stupid board games and silly iPod contests.

I am afraid if you keep making sense, people may begin to listen to you.

What he said.

Roger, you rock but long contest threads on GFY are not giving back. $50 days get people to try your program but if it does not convert, no one keeps the links up for long.

Oh, and actually, David from PG posts here quite often and offers a plethora of knowledge on a regular basis. I'd much rather have his knowledge than a few free drinks at a loud party where I can't hear myself think. I should be buying him the drinks, rather.

Exactly and they beter check to see when that program shuts the recurring off prob after 2 months

like other programs dont do that already if they dont they should

Shit this might be my last thread LOL I'm already doing fine I guess I like to do contest to help the little guys out if I can. trust me I dont get anyhting out of it

but from what I'm reading I'm done doing it now

I'm making people a shit load and I still give back more and I bet I out convert most. I always put my money where my mouth is..

if I dont I will pay you double what they would have made you

I call BS

Nah, Roger I think Contests and stuff are cool.
It is a part of branding and when ya get a gift from someone and they use that gift, they remember ya. It is important people remember since they change sponsors go to another sponsor and maybe come back etc.

Most people got the memory of a hamster so...

It's part of the treadmill to remind em.

:thumbsup
Help me think of a cool contest :winkwink:

Personally I always thought it odd that affiliate programs do not give away software packages or scripts that could be useful for a traffic genmaster.
Servers, Computers etc.
If I had a program thats what I would do.
Or even vacations.

Do you have free content available?

I'll start sending you traffic if you pay $35 per trial. Conversions can not be any worse than 1:400, second page is fine. No need to pay double, just match. I don't send massive traffic, but it is consistent, meaning you can expect to send me a new check every 2 weeks from my start til my end.

I do the contest for fun 80% of our sales come from whales and $50 days dont work dont it many times. I pay $30 on a trial and give a extra $1000 when you reach 100 trials

thats not the point I already do everyhting else and I'm done with the extra shit that nobody cares about like diners,contest etc. :)

this thread was real informative

Thats a nice bonus. I'll look into your stuff later this week.

Is the bonus a one time deal or does it renew after every 100 joins?

Sorry to hear that the people in this thread have swayed your opinion of sponsoring events.

But as the party lists get smaller - the people I talk to - seem to take more notice of the companies that are always involved in helping organize/get people together. Platinumbucks, Lensmans' Projects, Topbucks, CCBill - seem to be on the top of the list of companies that are continually sponsoring events.

I still don't do nearly enough with the companies I just mentioned - but I definately notice the effort they put out. Everybody else would too - if they dried up.

We try to mix things up as much as possible. We do contest / giveaways, raise payouts and play host to gatherings. You just have to be as smart and as optimal as possible when you do them.

The contest are a double-edge sword in a way, as most of the time the winner isn't your affiliate and will never send traffic, however, you really just exposed your product, for whatever that is worth (something of which you may never know).

With gatherings, you just have to be methodical and insure that both non-affiliates you have never met and current affiliates show up. We try to do this by teaming up with other non-competing programs.

At the end of the day, you will be judged by your product: the content, the billing schematics, the support, etc.

The financials in an IPOD giveaway in no way effect payout raises. We will always raise payouts before doing a contest, I think most programs would.

You have a great product Roger and you obviously care about it, I wouldn't read too much into events and IPOD giveaways. I would also not allow one thread to set the tone for all your future marketing, IMO.

I need a new ad from you when you get an opportunity :)

What an ignorant post. I would and always will do business people that put their monies back into their company rather then blowing it on a bunch of snot nosed 18 year old kids or a 33 year old that feels he is owed somethng. Un fucking real. How is investing money back into their company in lue of throwing bs parties where 90% of the people there never send them traffic anyways, "sucking money out of the industry"?. Its the total opposite. Fuck the parties, give us more content, more galleries, higher payouts, more site options. Let the kiddies buy their own damn bear. I send my clients a nice Christmas gift every year. I dont have to get them all fucked up and put a titty in their face to keep their business. Glad I dont either.... cuz the day after the show, they have forgot your name. Contest can be cool, if they are planned and targeted, but my god.. using parties and give aways as a buisness plan is just dumb. Service should win everytime and in the end.. it always does.

I didnt read this whole thread... maybe it was a joke thread by your Roger and if so, im sorry. If its not a joke, then its the dumbest thing you have ever said.

:2 cents:

Its a one time deal to get you to try us out and its an extra bonus once you see how we convert you will be hooked.

I didnt realize you guys think a program is hurting when they give back
shit I should go stealth hell Might just buy me something with the money.


At least i understand now I was wasting my time and money it was fun though :winkwink:

call me sometime and I will set you up