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ry0t · 12-02-2005, 09:50 AM

Chris is that you?

Doctor Dre · 12-02-2005, 09:51 AM

50 how to run a business

Anthony · 12-02-2005, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

And about the "have you ran a business" comment, please keep thoses personal attacks to you, because I've been arround for much longer then you.

If we can keep those type of comments out of this thread, we can actually call this a business thread.

Btw, I can vouch for Mart, he knows this game, in and out.

Doctor Dre · 12-02-2005, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

Let's not throw around mail numbers, next thing you know there will be another wave of noobs with DM looking for peas.

Diversification has always been the name of the game. But the pie is shrinking. You have to have one hella of a kick ass product (BangBros), great new software (NATS), etc... to really capture the market.

Just having alot of traffic doesn't neccesarily mean you are making any money. This is the biggest change from 2000 to now.

Thoses won't make shit money anyways ... mailing is way too complicated for their little brains . (I don't mail btw)

fallenmuffin · 12-02-2005, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ry0t

Chris is that you?

lol, sup mate.

ry0t · 12-02-2005, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by fallenmuffin

lol, sup mate.

It's good to see you here. Today just errands and work. No partying for me.

fallenmuffin · 12-02-2005, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ry0t

It's good to see you here. Today just errands and work. No partying for me.

Yeah, same I'm getting everything around for my journey home. Watching some TV and chilling out tonight. Sat and Sun are going to be insanly busy with packing and a party. Then I'm off to the new world, lol.

David - PG · 12-02-2005, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

I've been arround for much longer then you.

You mean you have more posts than me lol

(didn't mean to attack you, especially not personally. sorry.)

chshkt · 12-02-2005, 11:16 AM

great thread!

could someone teach me how to make $70-300 a day with AdultBouncer or maybe other AVS :P lol
i would be king considering that here $200 is the average monthly income...

David - PG · 12-02-2005, 11:24 AM

I love being sarcastic

I can not comment on the "100 small sites vs. 1 big site" theory. I guess you can't generalize here. If small sites work for you, then it's fine.

If expanding means using low cost but limited resources (such as your yourself), great. Do it. Try to automate (scripts, tools, crons, bots, etc.) as much as possible, if you know programming & databases this will come in handy. Most people in adult don't have a clue about coding so this should come in as your advantage.

If "expanding" means taking on onetime or even longer term costs without having sufficient cash flow... just so you can increase your gross revenues beyond $X Dollars a day, then you will likely just burn your fingers.

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Originally Posted by fallenmuffin

Hmm, are you being sarcastic? hehe. I really like the advice you have given me throughout this thread. You seem to really know what is going on and right moves to make. I find it easier to have 5 different sites doing 2k UV/day each pulling in $30 a day then one large site doin 50k uv/day and doing $250... I believe in expanding more then scaling.. Would you agree with that?

fuzebox · 12-02-2005, 11:29 AM

Good thread, I'm in the same boat... My affiliate income now is enough to live on, but I seem to have plateau'd... not making anymore with galleries than I was 6 months ago.

fallenmuffin · 12-02-2005, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by chshkt

...considering that here $200 is the average monthly income...

Hmm, I see alot of people posting stats where they pull in 10+ sales a day.. maybe on average since alot of people are new? I just assumed people where making alot more then that...

Yes, I know don't believe everything someone posts :P

chshkt, if you really want to make $70 a day then find a niche that is a lifestyle (keyword here, lifestyle) rather then a fetish. Something searched for under 30k a month and cater to them. With 2-3k a day you can make 70/day..

fallenmuffin · 12-02-2005, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by David - PG

I love being sarcastic

I can not comment on the "100 small sites vs. 1 big site" theory. I guess you can't generalize here. If small sites work for you, then it's fine.

If expanding means using low cost but limited resources (such as your yourself), great. Do it. Try to automate (scripts, tools, crons, bots, etc.) as much as possible, if you know programming & databases this will come in handy. Most people in adult don't have a clue about coding so this should come in as your advantage.

If "expanding" means taking on onetime or even longer term costs without having sufficient cash flow... just so you can increase your gross revenues beyond $X Dollars a day, then you will likely just burn your fingers.

I'll stand by 10 small sites vs 1 large site any day, lol. Expanding means, to me, launching more sites in different areas (different niches).. expanding the empire if you will. I do my own programming, design, ect. Which does come in handy because within a few hours of an idea I can have it online.

That's good advice about longer term costs.. I wouldn't invest in anything unless I had liquid money at hand. The per day is really just a goal (300/day). Which is roughly 9,000 a month. A very suitable income.

fuzebox · 12-02-2005, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by fallenmuffin

Hmm, I see alot of people posting stats where they pull in 10+ sales a day.. maybe on average since alot of people are new? I just assumed people where making alot more then that...

I believe he means the average income where he's living.

fallenmuffin · 12-02-2005, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Good thread, I'm in the same boat... My affiliate income now is enough to live on, but I seem to have plateau'd... not making anymore with galleries than I was 6 months ago.

Exactly, though the stability is nice it's moving forward that seems to get me every time. Hopefully a new site can get me to the 100/day mark. And some things said here will be looked into. I'm here to make this work through and through. So whatever it takes, I'm game. This has become my full time job.

fallenmuffin · 12-02-2005, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

I believe he means the average income where he's living.

Ah, thanks for clearing that up.

Maxy · 12-02-2005, 11:58 AM

Great thread, here's a bump.

chshkt · 12-02-2005, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by fallenmuffin

Hmm, I see alot of people posting stats where they pull in 10+ sales a day.. maybe on average since alot of people are new? I just assumed people where making alot more then that...

Yes, I know don't believe everything someone posts :P

chshkt, if you really want to make $70 a day then find a niche that is a lifestyle (keyword here, lifestyle) rather then a fetish. Something searched for under 30k a month and cater to them. With 2-3k a day you can make 70/day..

bro i meant that here in Bulgaria the salaries are such, i'm not saying that for GFY with all those millionaires posting here...

my main site on Adultbouncer is http://wannafuck.adultbouncer.com, i once did little SEO and it has PR3, used to be PR4 year ago
and the other is http://vgz.allowednet.com

wannafuck was in the first page of google results for fuck movies
now it's gone way behind
i've started total redesign because it's design sucks ass
the site is online since Dec 2002
honestly i haven't updated my site for more than a year
i've used to promote to MGP once but i had no luck, that's why i gave up
i like SEO much better and i would appreciate any tips for the redesign...

Doctor Dre · 12-02-2005, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by David - PG

You mean you have more posts than me lol

(didn't mean to attack you, especially not personally. sorry.)

I been arround since 99... used a lot of diff business plans. Also got a mainstream business here in town. I'm not saying I know better, but the money you WANT to earn is a big factor in the business plan.

Doctor Dre · 12-02-2005, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by David - PG

I love being sarcastic

I can not comment on the "100 small sites vs. 1 big site" theory. I guess you can't generalize here. If small sites work for you, then it's fine.

If expanding means using low cost but limited resources (such as your yourself), great. Do it. Try to automate (scripts, tools, crons, bots, etc.) as much as possible, if you know programming & databases this will come in handy. Most people in adult don't have a clue about coding so this should come in as your advantage.

If "expanding" means taking on onetime or even longer term costs without having sufficient cash flow... just so you can increase your gross revenues beyond $X Dollars a day, then you will likely just burn your fingers.

I thought you were trolling arround... really got me pissed.

And like I said, doing something other people don't is always the key to success. It's a joke how we are late in the technology (on most sides) in adult websites.

Doctor Dre · 12-02-2005, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by fallenmuffin

I'll stand by 10 small sites vs 1 large site any day, lol. Expanding means, to me, launching more sites in different areas (different niches).. expanding the empire if you will. I do my own programming, design, ect. Which does come in handy because within a few hours of an idea I can have it online.

That's good advice about longer term costs.. I wouldn't invest in anything unless I had liquid money at hand. The per day is really just a goal (300/day). Which is roughly 9,000 a month. A very suitable income.

It depends ... honestly I built a big tgp (was in st top 20... some days over 500k ucj stats), then used it to start other ones... and it was much easier to get the smaller sites to 100k a day. A big stable site can be the key to success. Problem nowdays is that everything is saturated and you need fresh ideas to get the market.

Doctor Dre · 12-02-2005, 12:44 PM

P.S. Dave we are definitly not talking about a paysite in this thread ... way different business plan ... we are talking about making 200-300 a day here.

Doctor Dre · 12-02-2005, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by chshkt

bro i meant that here in Bulgaria the salaries are such, i'm not saying that for GFY with all those millionaires posting here...

my main site on Adultbouncer is http://wannafuck.adultbouncer.com, i once did little SEO and it has PR3, used to be PR4 year ago
and the other is http://vgz.allowednet.com

wannafuck was in the first page of google results for fuck movies
now it's gone way behind
i've started total redesign because it's design sucks ass
the site is online since Dec 2002
honestly i haven't updated my site for more than a year
i've used to promote to MGP once but i had no luck, that's why i gave up
i like SEO much better and i would appreciate any tips for the redesign...

read spider-food.net and learn all the basic rules about optimizing a webpage... high pr is useless if you cant target the right keywords

69pornlinks · 12-02-2005, 01:18 PM

the rumor is going the avs/aen route (niche it out, not doing teen or anything that's widespread) and treat it like it's a paysite....updates, push traffic via freesites,galleries etc....

John Marco · 12-02-2005, 01:35 PM

you guys who do your own programming have a huge advantage.. anytime I have an idea we have to wait on our programmers to put it together, and everything gets really backlogged because there are so many ideas.

I would just keep it simple and suggest consistency with whatever you do, and yeah, I think when you're talking $70 versus $300 linear growth is fine.. just do more of what you're doing and try to be really consistent with it. Once you hit the $300/day you might be able to hire someone for $70/day to maintain it, then do more of it to reach $500/day, etc. up to a point..

I think the best approach for someone starting out is to automate to save time, and build a lot of sites instead of just one. In my opinion, to get one site really large, you have to have other sites to get traffic to it. It's kind of like building the first layer of a pyramid. Anyway, promote webcams.com

Doctor Dre · 12-02-2005, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by John Marco

you guys who do your own programming have a huge advantage.. anytime I have an idea we have to wait on our programmers to put it together, and everything gets really backlogged because there are so many ideas.

I would just keep it simple and suggest consistency with whatever you do, and yeah, I think when you're talking $70 versus $300 linear growth is fine.. just do more of what you're doing and try to be really consistent with it. Once you hit the $300/day you might be able to hire someone for $70/day to maintain it, then do more of it to reach $500/day, etc. up to a point..

I think the best approach for someone starting out is to automate to save time, and build a lot of sites instead of just one. In my opinion, to get one site really large, you have to have other sites to get traffic to it. It's kind of like building the first layer of a pyramid. Anyway, promote webcams.com

You can always hire a programmer or get one on your team... a lot of programmers I know have very good imagination to build the software, but lack design / original ideas (outside their technical knowledge) skills among other things. There are exceptions thought. That's with the ones I dealt with at least.

fallenmuffin · 12-02-2005, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 69pornlinks

the rumor is going the avs/aen route (niche it out, not doing teen or anything that's widespread) and treat it like it's a paysite....updates, push traffic via freesites,galleries etc....

How does one start a _paysite_ with PornAccess/AVS/AEN is it a matter of supplying content (i.e. pictures and movies) or selecting from their content database, branding, and then pushing traffic..

I'm interested in this and would love to know more about it.. any links you have with more detailed information would be very appricated.

jojojo · 12-02-2005, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by fallenmuffin

How does one start a _paysite_ with PornAccess/AVS/AEN is it a matter of supplying content (i.e. pictures and movies) or selecting from their content database, branding, and then pushing traffic..

I'm interested in this and would love to know more about it.. any links you have with more detailed information would be very appricated.

Select content from them, make a site, send it traffic.

Knowledge is power - see sig ;)

Rinaldo · 12-02-2005, 04:03 PM

There's some great advice on this thread... if you have any questions start ICQing some of the guys on here. I'm also available for help if you need it.

Rui · 12-02-2005, 04:12 PM

Quite a nice thread indeed, this sort of business related threads on GFY for a change

DamageX · 12-02-2005, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jojojo

Select content from them, make a site, send it traffic.

Knowledge is power - see sig ;)

I see you have decided to make use of my motto. What else, which is not yours, are you using?

Part-timer · 12-02-2005, 04:46 PM

educate yourself to google adwords professional, (or at least take the 1st steps to PPC advertising) focus on mainstream (less competition) and you will make a $1000 in a day in no time..

John Marco · 12-02-2005, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Part-timer

educate yourself to google adwords professional, (or at least take the 1st steps to PPC advertising) focus on mainstream (less competition) and you will make a $1000 in a day in no time..

Google adwords takes quite a lot of money to see any decent return, because it's pretty hit and miss. You can spend $500 and only get 10 sales and then the next $100 will get you another 10.. This requires a substantial investment for it to be worthwhile. Same goes for buying gallery traffic -- one top hun gallery will get you only 10 sales for a $300 loss but the next one will get you 30 to make up for it.

I think it's better to build a stable network of free sites with free traffic until you are netting at least $300 per day before you venture into paid spots (at least for adult).

fuzebox · 12-02-2005, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

I see you have decided to make use of my motto. What else, which is not yours, are you using?

Wtf? "your motto"?

fallenmuffin · 12-02-2005, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by John Marco

Google adwords takes quite a lot of money to see any decent return, because it's pretty hit and miss. You can spend $500 and only get 10 sales and then the next $100 will get you another 10.. This requires a substantial investment for it to be worthwhile. Same goes for buying gallery traffic -- one top hun gallery will get you only 10 sales for a $300 loss but the next one will get you 30 to make up for it.

I think it's better to build a stable network of free sites with free traffic until you are netting at least $300 per day before you venture into paid spots (at least for adult).

I agree with you John regarding Google Adwords. I once did a champign for a mainstream template site and lost $375 in the process. I was even weeding out keywords like _free_ and only after targeted buying searchers. I think Adwords is a good tool but unless you already have a large stable income I wouldn't risk it.

Part-timer · 12-02-2005, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by John Marco

Google adwords takes quite a lot of money to see any decent return, because it's pretty hit and miss. You can spend $500 and only get 10 sales and then the next $100 will get you another 10..

Yes but what about if i get $150 per sale?

For $500 investment, with 10 "sales" it's about 300% ROI. You can start to learn adwords by spending only 1 cent per click.

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Originally Posted by John Marco

This requires a substantial investment for it to be worthwhile. Same goes for buying gallery traffic -- one top hun gallery will get you only 10 sales for a $300 loss but the next one will get you 30 to make up for it.

it's all about knowledge and education, to know what to sell and how to sell. You can get the knowledge from education or from experience. As i said you will need education to get that profit from galleries, free sites or adwords. I have tried them all and adwords rocks for me!

Part-timer · 12-02-2005, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by fallenmuffin

I agree with you John regarding Google Adwords. I once did a champign for a mainstream template site and lost $375 in the process. I was even weeding out keywords like _free_ and only after targeted buying searchers. I think Adwords is a good tool but unless you already have a large stable income I wouldn't risk it.

I doubt you are adwords professional?

DamageX · 12-02-2005, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Wtf? "your motto"?

It's on top of ADX. He doesn't have the brains to think of that himself.

detoxed · 12-02-2005, 05:17 PM

repeat what you've been doing, with a new site and a new main source of traffic... for example trade with new sites etc.

fuzebox · 12-02-2005, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

It's on top of ADX. He doesn't have the brains to think of that himself.

people have been saying that since before you were born.

Did you invent the internet too?

DamageX · 12-02-2005, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

people have been saying that since before you were born.

Did you invent the internet too?

No. Al Gore did.

chshkt · 12-02-2005, 06:11 PM

Actually "Knowledge is Power" is said in like 16th century by Francis Bacon, an english philosopher.

DamageX · 12-02-2005, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by chshkt

Actually "Knowledge is Power" is said in like 16th century by Francis Bacon, an english philosopher.

Was.
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Tala · 12-02-2005, 06:17 PM

Thread bookmarked!!

Part-timer · 12-02-2005, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by chshkt

Actually "Knowledge is Power" is said in like 16th century by Francis Bacon, an english philosopher.

Todays philosophers says "It's not about what you know, it's about what you do whit what you know"

But basically, you can always do more if you know more

kahell · 12-02-2005, 06:36 PM

This is the best thread that I ever read and I am learning a lot of things . The admin of GFY should pin this thread as important and a must read thread. (on top. page1). Just like what the GFY slogan say ?where the industry meet?.

fuzebox · 12-02-2005, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Part-timer

I doubt you are adwords professional?

I think that's the point of this thread

Are you saying you promote cams using Adwords?

Part-timer · 12-02-2005, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

I think that's the point of this thread

Are you saying you promote cams using Adwords?

No, i used to promote cams making living before, via freesites, galleries and stuff.

Now i use Adwords and other popular SE's (PPC) to promote articles which bring me the most profit in the industry, and it's not the adult industry.

Doctor Dre · 12-02-2005, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Part-timer

Todays philosophers says "It's not about what you know, it's about what you do whit what you know"

But basically, you can always do more if you know more

I gotta agree with this . Too many people don't perform like they could.

LiveDose · 12-02-2005, 07:16 PM

A business thread... nice...

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