Jeez... I know a lot of people (including one of my old business partner) who were arround for a while and started making their money in 2002-2005... everything is possible to thoses who have the ideas and can think outside the box, manage a good business. And I'm talking about wayyyyyyyyy more then 300 a day here.

You just gotta do what you gotta do... don't count the hours, because if you do, you'll always end up short on something in the equation... invest the money you got to invest, even if it's a risk (just think rationally).

And why is that??????????? You're not making sense. What's the difference between 50k a day and $300 a day. Why does "duplication" stop working at 50k a day? lol

Have you ever run a business? You sure don't sound like it.

Dre, we are talking internet here, and not mail. LOL

I agree with you to a degree. I think it's important to know when to cut the dead weight from your 'empire' and move into a different direction. But you should stick with something until it makes you a return atleast. I also find myself wanting to launch new sites daily, lol. But you just can't do that. I do tend to get excited about everything and just want to grow my income. But stick with what works until it's stable then take a risk ? I'm launching a new site soon that has a wider audicane and I don't expect my income from this new site to be as good but just be another stream to add to the over all total.

I forget whom but someone on YNOT probably said it best... "slow down" which ironicly I've only sped up since then, lol.

When I do start a site I work non-stop for days. Then spend a week building traffic and once I'm happy with the traffic and search engine visitors .. I attempt to make it sticky. After that I really don't touch them other then manage traffic. Which I know how can it be sticky when it _never_ updates but it's all randomly done based on user sessions so it still has sticky factor. You could say I run CircleJerks (CJs) or more or less a TGP (with mainly text links) that have a few blind links in the mix.

I do find this works best.. and is great advice Paparazzi. CCBill sites that are not promated too heavly are my bread and butter. They have what I believe to be exclusive content and update a few times a month. Since this is only my second month I haven't gotten too many rebills but the ones I have gotten are great :)

Hmm, are you being sarcastic? hehe. I really like the advice you have given me throughout this thread. You seem to really know what is going on and right moves to make. I find it easier to have 5 different sites doing 2k UV/day each pulling in $30 a day then one large site doin 50k uv/day and doing $250... I believe in expanding more then scaling.. Would you agree with that?

You sound like you've been to business school but never done anything in this business.

You make ZERO sense. Tell me who is making 50 000 a day in this business ?
Very few people, and thoses who are doing aren't posting galleries on thehun.


I'm taking 300 a day because of the topic. 300 a day is midly EASILY doable in this business with some work and good business sense. For 50 000 a day you need to be a fucking genious

I'm not talking about mailing either ... anybody in mailing who dosen't make 300 a day is a fucking tool.

Dre, I think David was just trying to exploit your duplication theory. If you duplicate the _winning_ results countless times then the income is unstoppable.

And about the "have you ran a business" comment, please keep thoses personal attacks to you, because I've been arround for much longer then you.

Off course you can't do it for ever ... there is a limited market for everything. 300 a day is easily doable...

Let's not throw around mail numbers, next thing you know there will be another wave of noobs with DM looking for peas. :)

Diversification has always been the name of the game. But the pie is shrinking. You have to have one hella of a kick ass product (BangBros), great new software (NATS), etc... to really capture the market.

Just having alot of traffic doesn't neccesarily mean you are making any money. This is the biggest change from 2000 to now.

Chris is that you?

50 how to run a business

If we can keep those type of comments out of this thread, we can actually call this a business thread.

Btw, I can vouch for Mart, he knows this game, in and out.

Thoses won't make shit money anyways ... mailing is way too complicated for their little brains . (I don't mail btw)

lol, sup mate.

It's good to see you here. Today just errands and work. No partying for me.

Yeah, same I'm getting everything around for my journey home. Watching some TV and chilling out tonight. Sat and Sun are going to be insanly busy with packing and a party. Then I'm off to the new world, lol.

You mean you have more posts than me lol :)

(didn't mean to attack you, especially not personally. sorry.)

great thread!

could someone teach me how to make $70-300 a day with AdultBouncer or maybe other AVS :P lol
i would be king considering that here $200 is the average monthly income...

I love being sarcastic :)

I can not comment on the "100 small sites vs. 1 big site" theory. I guess you can't generalize here. If small sites work for you, then it's fine.

If expanding means using low cost but limited resources (such as your yourself), great. Do it. Try to automate (scripts, tools, crons, bots, etc.) as much as possible, if you know programming & databases this will come in handy. Most people in adult don't have a clue about coding so this should come in as your advantage.

If "expanding" means taking on onetime or even longer term costs without having sufficient cash flow... just so you can increase your gross revenues beyond $X Dollars a day, then you will likely just burn your fingers.

Good thread, I'm in the same boat... My affiliate income now is enough to live on, but I seem to have plateau'd... not making anymore with galleries than I was 6 months ago.

Hmm, I see alot of people posting stats where they pull in 10+ sales a day.. maybe on average since alot of people are new? I just assumed people where making alot more then that...

Yes, I know don't believe everything someone posts :P

chshkt, if you really want to make $70 a day then find a niche that is a lifestyle (keyword here, lifestyle) rather then a fetish. Something searched for under 30k a month and cater to them. With 2-3k a day you can make 70/day..

I'll stand by 10 small sites vs 1 large site any day, lol. Expanding means, to me, launching more sites in different areas (different niches).. expanding the empire if you will. I do my own programming, design, ect. Which does come in handy because within a few hours of an idea I can have it online.

That's good advice about longer term costs.. I wouldn't invest in anything unless I had liquid money at hand. The per day is really just a goal (300/day). Which is roughly 9,000 a month. A very suitable income.

I believe he means the average income where he's living.

Exactly, though the stability is nice it's moving forward that seems to get me every time. Hopefully a new site can get me to the 100/day mark. And some things said here will be looked into. I'm here to make this work through and through. So whatever it takes, I'm game. This has become my full time job.

Ah, thanks for clearing that up.

Great thread, here's a bump.

bro i meant that here in Bulgaria the salaries are such, i'm not saying that for GFY with all those millionaires posting here...

my main site on Adultbouncer is http://wannafuck.adultbouncer.com, i once did little SEO and it has PR3, used to be PR4 year ago
and the other is http://vgz.allowednet.com

wannafuck was in the first page of google results for fuck movies
now it's gone way behind
i've started total redesign because it's design sucks ass
the site is online since Dec 2002
honestly i haven't updated my site for more than a year
i've used to promote to MGP once but i had no luck, that's why i gave up
i like SEO much better and i would appreciate any tips for the redesign...

I been arround since 99... used a lot of diff business plans. Also got a mainstream business here in town. I'm not saying I know better, but the money you WANT to earn is a big factor in the business plan.

I thought you were trolling arround... really got me pissed.

And like I said, doing something other people don't is always the key to success. It's a joke how we are late in the technology (on most sides) in adult websites.

It depends ... honestly I built a big tgp (was in st top 20... some days over 500k ucj stats), then used it to start other ones... and it was much easier to get the smaller sites to 100k a day. A big stable site can be the key to success. Problem nowdays is that everything is saturated and you need fresh ideas to get the market.

P.S. Dave we are definitly not talking about a paysite in this thread ... way different business plan ... we are talking about making 200-300 a day here.

read spider-food.net and learn all the basic rules about optimizing a webpage... high pr is useless if you cant target the right keywords

the rumor is going the avs/aen route (niche it out, not doing teen or anything that's widespread) and treat it like it's a paysite....updates, push traffic via freesites,galleries etc....

you guys who do your own programming have a huge advantage.. anytime I have an idea we have to wait on our programmers to put it together, and everything gets really backlogged because there are so many ideas.

I would just keep it simple and suggest consistency with whatever you do, and yeah, I think when you're talking $70 versus $300 linear growth is fine.. just do more of what you're doing and try to be really consistent with it. Once you hit the $300/day you might be able to hire someone for $70/day to maintain it, then do more of it to reach $500/day, etc. up to a point..

I think the best approach for someone starting out is to automate to save time, and build a lot of sites instead of just one. In my opinion, to get one site really large, you have to have other sites to get traffic to it. It's kind of like building the first layer of a pyramid. Anyway, promote webcams.com :)

You can always hire a programmer or get one on your team... a lot of programmers I know have very good imagination to build the software, but lack design / original ideas (outside their technical knowledge) skills among other things. There are exceptions thought. That's with the ones I dealt with at least.

How does one start a _paysite_ with PornAccess/AVS/AEN is it a matter of supplying content (i.e. pictures and movies) or selecting from their content database, branding, and then pushing traffic..

I'm interested in this and would love to know more about it.. any links you have with more detailed information would be very appricated.

Select content from them, make a site, send it traffic.

Knowledge is power - see sig ;)

There's some great advice on this thread... if you have any questions start ICQing some of the guys on here. I'm also available for help if you need it.

Quite a nice thread indeed, this sort of business related threads on GFY for a change :)