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squizzel · 11-23-2005, 02:05 AM

For several months now i have been earning $100+ daily in ccbill. And over the past two weeks i have several days which are severly out of check. Yes you can blame it on shit not converting but why do i go from earning $100 + daily for several months to earning nothing. Please check out these screenshots and draw your own conclusions, maybe even shed some light on it.

This is not a one off, roughly a week ago it happend again and then a week before that it happend again.

I dont wish to tarnish ccbills reputation since they seem to be a very good company, but the quaity of traffic im sending is good and i should be getting sales all day long. Anyway, enough of the crap.. Here are the screenshots.

bringer · 11-23-2005, 02:07 AM

been having the same problem here.

phonesex · 11-23-2005, 02:07 AM

your conversions suck. try sending your traffic to topbucks.com

CuriousToyBoy · 11-23-2005, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phonesex

your conversions suck. try sending your traffic to topbucks.com

Those numbers are AWFUL !!

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squizzel · 11-23-2005, 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phonesex

your conversions suck. try sending your traffic to topbucks.com

thanks. The day i showed with $128 i would considder a bad day on ccbill. Good days im converting at 800 and making $175 from ccbill. Alot of the traffic is from SEO of paysite / model names so changing sponsors isnt the option.

twist · 11-23-2005, 02:12 AM

Too little traffic to recognize a pattern.

squizzel · 11-23-2005, 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaughtyWhores

Those numbers are AWFUL !!

For your gay/bi/curious traffic try http://www.CuriousCash.com - 30+ original and exclusive content sites, hosted galleries, 2000+ fresh model teaser pages, freesites, content and loads of other tools.

For straight and straight niche traffic use http://www.LionDollars.com/ with 80+ sites and new sites weekly, 10000 unwatermarked promo pics in sets to use with any site, over 20000 galleries, EPassporte payments weekly and heaps more !

If you have celeb traffic you cannot go past http://www.RevshareRewards.com, 3 awesome female celeb sites, 1 hot male celeb site, FHG's, Freesites and a bunch of extras !!

These work well for us !

I DONT WANT ANY MORE RECCOMENDATIONS OF WHERE TO SEND MY TRAFFIC.

CCBILL isnt my only site i promote and am already making alot more money with other sponsors so dont spam me. Also, i might add. Im converting amazingly well with TCG, nasty dollars and a few other big programs. Its just CCBILL that seems to be out of check.

aico · 11-23-2005, 02:46 AM

ya, they scrub, so? it's what has to be done from time to time to keep Visa happy and off their ass...

it's called "The Cost of Doing Business".

Would you prefer they go out of business and keep all your money like iBill?

Due · 11-23-2005, 02:48 AM

To increase your revenue you might wish to try and build your own tours and send directly to their join page.
Convertions that go up and down might not be because of CCbill but could be because the sponsors server is slow some days.
If you see a pattern with CCbill sponsors try look at where they are hosted and if they are using quality hosting.
This is in no way ment to dish any CCbill sponsors, but you might also consider the factor on how easy / cheap it is to startup a CCbill based sponsor program, this could attract less serious "sponsor programs" as well.

DutchTeenCash · 11-23-2005, 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aico

ya, they scrub, so? it's what has to be done from time to time to keep Visa happy and off their ass...

it's called "The Cost of Doing Business".

Would you prefer they go out of business and keep all your money like iBill?

exactly. they HAVE to scrub or would you prefer cb every day?

If anyone could get a million dollar morgage the world would look different as well. Think bout that. And realize ccbill ratios arent join or 2nd page ratios.

squizzel · 11-23-2005, 02:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Due

To increase your revenue you might wish to try and build your own tours and send directly to their join page.
Convertions that go up and down might not be because of CCbill but could be because the sponsors server is slow some days.
If you see a pattern with CCbill sponsors try look at where they are hosted and if they are using quality hosting.
This is in no way ment to dish any CCbill sponsors, but you might also consider the factor on how easy / cheap it is to startup a CCbill based sponsor program, this could attract less serious "sponsor programs" as well.

well said, thank you

Pandemos · 11-23-2005, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by squizzel

For several months now i have been earning $100+ daily in ccbill. And over the past two weeks i have several days which are severly out of check. Yes you can blame it on shit not converting but why do i go from earning $100 + daily for several months to earning nothing. Please check out these screenshots and draw your own conclusions, maybe even shed some light on it.

Same thing has happened to me. Everything fine and dandy then about 10 days ago CCBill referrals dropped to zero.

Brad Mitchell · 11-23-2005, 08:11 AM

Everything is just fine, this is the ebb and flow of being in the online business. There is no conspiracy or changes at CCBill that is affecting your sales.

Brad

rowan · 11-23-2005, 08:28 AM

Personally, November 2005 has been the worst ccbill month ever. Prior to then I used to occasionally complain about a day or two that suddenly had zero sales; this month alone there have been 5 of them.

Rebill $ are also higher than initial $ this month, which is not a good sign.

rowan · 11-23-2005, 08:31 AM

It's almost like a reprise of November 2003 where the new visa rules kicked in and ratios went to shit.

CC · 11-23-2005, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowan

Personally, November 2005 has been the worst ccbill month ever. Prior to then I used to occasionally complain about a day or two that suddenly had zero sales; this month alone there have been 5 of them.

Rebill $ are also higher than initial $ this month, which is not a good sign.

Very interesting, same here.

rowan · 11-23-2005, 08:42 AM

Just saw the caps. 0:12063, plus a refund - OUCH!

ListYourPorn · 11-23-2005, 09:00 AM

Im with you too on this - though if they are scrubbing then so be it if it protects the long term network, lets say worst case CCBill did go over their cb ratio and lost their accounts many of us would be well and trully screwed up.

The moral to this story is dont put all your eggs in one basket, I have built up a steady flow of affiliate revenue via the ccbill network, I am now doing the same with other stand alone programmes or on networks such as verotel.

Its a sad fact but you have to plan for lows and the only way to date I have managed this is to build 4 or 5 regular revenue streams up. IF I had done done what I was tempted to do - stay 100% exclusive CCBill scemes I would be in trouble right now.

Violetta · 11-23-2005, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowan

Just saw the caps. 0:12063, plus a refund - OUCH!

yep... It cant get any worse than that!

slapass · 11-23-2005, 09:31 AM

The caps come out real small here for some reason. last week was real brutal with them. I have been moving some links off as last month early was horrible. Maybe it is a natural progression but still sucks. Big prgrams might be better off going to their own merchant account.

latinasojourn · 11-23-2005, 09:40 AM

well, i have been on ccbill with lots of paysites since 1997.

and in the last couple years i have seen the same things.

WIDE variability in daily conversions starting about 2002 and getting worse yearly.

form hits steady, traffic steady.

which leads me to only one logical conclusion.

i suspect CCbill needs to keep their entire PORTFOLIO within a certain chargeback ratio, and they turn scrubbing up and down daily like a rheostat to stay within guidelines. no other scenario makes sense...certainly ccbill does not want to decline transactions.

the fact is, shit sites run by webmaster scammers that are getting high chargebacks are hurting all legit webmasters, because they impact ccbill's portfolio with visa/mc, etc.

ATKCash · 11-23-2005, 09:45 AM

Number1Thumb · 11-23-2005, 09:59 AM

ahh the joys of mainstream

bigdog · 11-23-2005, 10:02 AM

If a credit card is good why would they decline it, not like they make any money on declines.

rowan · 11-23-2005, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdog

If a credit card is good why would they decline it, not like they make any money on declines.

It's the process of deciding whether a card is "good" that is fuzzy, not absolute.

coolegg2 · 11-23-2005, 12:15 PM

Do CCBill affiliates have access to decline stats? I know we program-owners do.

A low conversion is not the same as a high scrub. This thread is worthless without your decline stats. When talking about scrubbing, you are talking about the % of attempted sign-ups that were declined. CCBill tracks that.

My decline/scrubbing stats with CCBill are so consistent it's not funny - always about 8% - so the scrubbing is consistent.

Without decline stats it is impossible to conclude that your poor conversions are due to high scrubbing.

Mathematically speaking...
X = # of sign-ups
Y = % Declines (scrubbing)

X = traffic * % of traffic that tries to join * ((100 - Y)/100)

Just because X is low doesn't mean it's because Y went up - there's two other variables in that equation that you must consider.

I would get a hold of your decline stats and compare them to your historical average, so you can narrow down the source of the problem.

Furious_Male · 11-23-2005, 12:27 PM

Everyones traffic reacts differently. I for one have 6+ years of historical data I refer to. This past 13 months I have noticed that the latter parts of the month have been producing terrible conversions. This month is no different.

Is it scrub? Who knows it could be a lot of things. So many factors to consider. Just continue to tweak your sites and campaigns. I am sure you will find a happy medium eventualy.

ilbb · 11-23-2005, 12:28 PM

the same problem with ccbill last month

Maxy · 11-23-2005, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Due

To increase your revenue you might wish to try and build your own tours and send directly to their join page.
Convertions that go up and down might not be because of CCbill but could be because the sponsors server is slow some days.
If you see a pattern with CCbill sponsors try look at where they are hosted and if they are using quality hosting.
This is in no way ment to dish any CCbill sponsors, but you might also consider the factor on how easy / cheap it is to startup a CCbill based sponsor program, this could attract less serious "sponsor programs" as well.

Babagirls · 11-23-2005, 12:39 PM

same here.
i went from a 1:1500'ish ratio last month to a 1:4500'ish ratio this month.
traffic is actually HIGHER by a little bit. mostly se traffic. i didnt change nothing. you make the call.

Dennis69 · 11-23-2005, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aico

ya, they scrub, so? it's what has to be done from time to time to keep Visa happy and off their ass...

it's called "The Cost of Doing Business".

Would you prefer they go out of business and keep all your money like iBill?

Thats fine to look at it that way... but most of the complaints are always about ccbill, other processors have to watch the cb as for for visa!

BradM · 11-23-2005, 12:52 PM

1:8800 last month, 1:2080 so far november. I'm down, sending way more traffic.

coolegg2 · 11-23-2005, 12:54 PM

I just checked and there is a way for CCBill programs owners to report scrub stats on an affiliate by affiliate basis. If you affiliates don't have access to this data directly then I would contact the program owner and ask them to forward your Decline stats to you. Give them the time periods you would like (maybe your historical average - the last six months say, and then the period corresponding to your slow sales).

Your program owner generates the report thus: Reports > Analysis > Declines > Breakdown by Referrer.

Then you know exactly what your Decline/Scrubbing Rate is (and was) and can either rule it out, or focus on why it has gone up for you.

Site-wide my declines are 7.0% for the last two months - the cost of doing business in a chargeback-sensitive world.

I think in most cases you are going to find that your declines are consistent, and the issue is your conversion of raw traffic to attempted sign-ups - fresh advertising material/content/layout has always fixed that problem for me. And if your program-owner isn't completely redoing his tour about once per year, then you should consider a different program.

As a businessperson you are doing yourself a disservice if you jump to the conclusion that slow sales must mean high scrubbing. Afterall, even if it were so, what can you do about it? Shouldn't you focus on the parts of that equation in my previous post that you DO have control over.

pornguy · 11-23-2005, 12:56 PM

I dont think that it has that much to do with ccbill.

Dirty Dane · 11-23-2005, 01:04 PM

129 bucks to 0 ...
1.129 bucks to 1.000 ...

now, which one is "scrub" and which is normal variation?

11-23-2005, 02:05 AM	#1
squizzel So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 900	CCBILL SCRUB [pics] For several months now i have been earning $100+ daily in ccbill. And over the past two weeks i have several days which are severly out of check. Yes you can blame it on shit not converting but why do i go from earning $100 + daily for several months to earning nothing. Please check out these screenshots and draw your own conclusions, maybe even shed some light on it. This is not a one off, roughly a week ago it happend again and then a week before that it happend again. I dont wish to tarnish ccbills reputation since they seem to be a very good company, but the quaity of traffic im sending is good and i should be getting sales all day long. Anyway, enough of the crap.. Here are the screenshots. Last edited by squizzel; 11-23-2005 at 02:06 AM..

11-23-2005, 02:07 AM	#2
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11-23-2005, 02:07 AM	#3
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11-23-2005, 02:12 AM	#6
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11-23-2005, 02:48 AM	#9
Due Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Murrieta, CA Posts: 3,620	To increase your revenue you might wish to try and build your own tours and send directly to their join page. Convertions that go up and down might not be because of CCbill but could be because the sponsors server is slow some days. If you see a pattern with CCbill sponsors try look at where they are hosted and if they are using quality hosting. This is in no way ment to dish any CCbill sponsors, but you might also consider the factor on how easy / cheap it is to startup a CCbill based sponsor program, this could attract less serious "sponsor programs" as well. __________________ I buy plugs Skype: Due_Global /Due

11-23-2005, 02:46 AM	#8
aico Moo Moo Cow Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington State Posts: 14,748	ya, they scrub, so? it's what has to be done from time to time to keep Visa happy and off their ass... it's called "The Cost of Doing Business". Would you prefer they go out of business and keep all your money like iBill?

11-23-2005, 08:11 AM	#13
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,812	Everything is just fine, this is the ebb and flow of being in the online business. There is no conspiracy or changes at CCBill that is affecting your sales. Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

11-23-2005, 08:28 AM	#14
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Personally, November 2005 has been the worst ccbill month ever. Prior to then I used to occasionally complain about a day or two that suddenly had zero sales; this month alone there have been 5 of them. Rebill $ are also higher than initial $ this month, which is not a good sign.

11-23-2005, 08:31 AM	#15
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	It's almost like a reprise of November 2003 where the new visa rules kicked in and ratios went to shit.

11-23-2005, 08:42 AM	#17
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Just saw the caps. 0:12063, plus a refund - OUCH!

11-23-2005, 09:00 AM	#18
ListYourPorn Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 791	Im with you too on this - though if they are scrubbing then so be it if it protects the long term network, lets say worst case CCBill did go over their cb ratio and lost their accounts many of us would be well and trully screwed up. The moral to this story is dont put all your eggs in one basket, I have built up a steady flow of affiliate revenue via the ccbill network, I am now doing the same with other stand alone programmes or on networks such as verotel. Its a sad fact but you have to plan for lows and the only way to date I have managed this is to build 4 or 5 regular revenue streams up. IF I had done done what I was tempted to do - stay 100% exclusive CCBill scemes I would be in trouble right now. __________________ Sex Add your sites Click Here

11-23-2005, 09:31 AM	#20
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	The caps come out real small here for some reason. last week was real brutal with them. I have been moving some links off as last month early was horrible. Maybe it is a natural progression but still sucks. Big prgrams might be better off going to their own merchant account.

11-23-2005, 09:40 AM	#21
latinasojourn Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,191	well, i have been on ccbill with lots of paysites since 1997. and in the last couple years i have seen the same things. WIDE variability in daily conversions starting about 2002 and getting worse yearly. form hits steady, traffic steady. which leads me to only one logical conclusion. i suspect CCbill needs to keep their entire PORTFOLIO within a certain chargeback ratio, and they turn scrubbing up and down daily like a rheostat to stay within guidelines. no other scenario makes sense...certainly ccbill does not want to decline transactions. the fact is, shit sites run by webmaster scammers that are getting high chargebacks are hurting all legit webmasters, because they impact ccbill's portfolio with visa/mc, etc.

11-23-2005, 09:45 AM	#22
ATKCash Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 356

11-23-2005, 09:59 AM	#23
Number1Thumb Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,135	ahh the joys of mainstream

11-23-2005, 10:02 AM	#24
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	If a credit card is good why would they decline it, not like they make any money on declines.

11-23-2005, 12:15 PM	#26
coolegg2 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 210	Do CCBill affiliates have access to decline stats? I know we program-owners do. A low conversion is not the same as a high scrub. This thread is worthless without your decline stats. When talking about scrubbing, you are talking about the % of attempted sign-ups that were declined. CCBill tracks that. My decline/scrubbing stats with CCBill are so consistent it's not funny - always about 8% - so the scrubbing is consistent. Without decline stats it is impossible to conclude that your poor conversions are due to high scrubbing. Mathematically speaking... X = # of sign-ups Y = % Declines (scrubbing) X = traffic * % of traffic that tries to join * ((100 - Y)/100) Just because X is low doesn't mean it's because Y went up - there's two other variables in that equation that you must consider. I would get a hold of your decline stats and compare them to your historical average, so you can narrow down the source of the problem.

11-23-2005, 12:27 PM	#27
Furious_Male Doing the grind since 99 Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Buffalo NY Posts: 16,881	Everyones traffic reacts differently. I for one have 6+ years of historical data I refer to. This past 13 months I have noticed that the latter parts of the month have been producing terrible conversions. This month is no different. Is it scrub? Who knows it could be a lot of things. So many factors to consider. Just continue to tweak your sites and campaigns. I am sure you will find a happy medium eventualy. __________________ Living in Virtual Reality Contact: Email (preferred): furiousmale .at. gmail - Skype: live:shanedws

11-23-2005, 12:28 PM	#28
ilbb Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2005 Location: EU - Czech republic Posts: 3,025	the same problem with ccbill last month

11-23-2005, 12:39 PM	#30
Babagirls Text Writer Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 18,812	same here. i went from a 1:1500'ish ratio last month to a 1:4500'ish ratio this month. traffic is actually HIGHER by a little bit. mostly se traffic. i didnt change nothing. you make the call. __________________ Need a Text Writer? Blogs\|Reviews\|Descriptions\|Paysites\|TGP's\|Stories ICQ: 397892500

11-23-2005, 12:52 PM	#32
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	1:8800 last month, 1:2080 so far november. I'm down, sending way more traffic.

11-23-2005, 12:54 PM	#33
coolegg2 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 210	I just checked and there is a way for CCBill programs owners to report scrub stats on an affiliate by affiliate basis. If you affiliates don't have access to this data directly then I would contact the program owner and ask them to forward your Decline stats to you. Give them the time periods you would like (maybe your historical average - the last six months say, and then the period corresponding to your slow sales). Your program owner generates the report thus: Reports > Analysis > Declines > Breakdown by Referrer. Then you know exactly what your Decline/Scrubbing Rate is (and was) and can either rule it out, or focus on why it has gone up for you. Site-wide my declines are 7.0% for the last two months - the cost of doing business in a chargeback-sensitive world. I think in most cases you are going to find that your declines are consistent, and the issue is your conversion of raw traffic to attempted sign-ups - fresh advertising material/content/layout has always fixed that problem for me. And if your program-owner isn't completely redoing his tour about once per year, then you should consider a different program. As a businessperson you are doing yourself a disservice if you jump to the conclusion that slow sales must mean high scrubbing. Afterall, even if it were so, what can you do about it? Shouldn't you focus on the parts of that equation in my previous post that you DO have control over.

11-23-2005, 12:56 PM	#34
pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,911	I dont think that it has that much to do with ccbill. __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME!

11-23-2005, 01:04 PM	#35
Dirty Dane Sick Fuck Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: www Posts: 9,491	129 bucks to 0 ... 1.129 bucks to 1.000 ... now, which one is "scrub" and which is normal variation?