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Old 11-18-2005, 07:42 AM   #51
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i laugh at program owners who get bent out of shape when affiliates have high SE rankings for their site in a program - don't like it, then don't have an affiliate program - that's what affiliates are for - to do your work for you - they get paid 50-60% to do it instead of a salary - be happy when you get affiliates who know what they're doing.
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Old 11-18-2005, 08:13 AM   #52
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i laugh at program owners who get bent out of shape when affiliates have high SE rankings for their site in a program - don't like it, then don't have an affiliate program - that's what affiliates are for - to do your work for you - they get paid 50-60% to do it instead of a salary - be happy when you get affiliates who know what they're doing.
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Old 11-18-2005, 08:52 AM   #53
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i laugh at program owners who get bent out of shape when affiliates have high SE rankings for their site in a program - don't like it, then don't have an affiliate program - that's what affiliates are for - to do your work for you - they get paid 50-60% to do it instead of a salary - be happy when you get affiliates who know what they're doing.
its pretty clear it isnt an se "ranking"
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it seems strange yahoo would sell advertising like that.. When you click on "more pages for this site" in the "yahoo" listing for "raven riley" it shows the various pages found on the site , but the first one is not the raven riley site , its the redirect ( sold spot ) Seems odd they would sell out a page that isn't even on your site
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its pretty clear it isnt an se "ranking"
i wasn't commenting on this occurrence specifically Mr Bear - there were references in this thread to affiliates having higher ranked pages for a site than the program owner who owns the site - that's what my post was in reference to.
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i wasn't commenting on this occurrence specifically Mr Bear - there were references in this thread to affiliates having higher ranked pages for a site than the program owner who owns the site - that's what my post was in reference to.
true enough
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i wonder what stops a company from buying its competitions se term off yahoo and redirecting people that try to visit it , to your own site..

Like whats to say they dont forward that www.ravenriley.com traffic to www.othersite.com
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like if you search "playboy.com" on yahoo , it shows www.playboy.com , but it doesn't actually go to playboy.. meaning that person could sell that spot to hustler , thus making playboys directory result rather useless.
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whoops , actually the playboy one is wrong , but bangbros as an example is that way
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how is this any different than adwords or any other ppc advertising? you can display any url and send your traffic to any url. you're always competing with ppc advertisers. these just happen to look like natural search results. which you can pay for with yahoo.
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how is this any different than adwords or any other ppc advertising? you can display any url and send your traffic to any url. you're always competing with ppc advertisers. these just happen to look like natural search results. which you can pay for with yahoo.

because no ppc campaign allows you to use your competitions domain in your ad.

i.e. your not going to see an ad like this

Playboy magazine website
www.playboymagazine.com

but when click goes to hustler magazine..


Not only that but it seems like they are using "his" rank.. it would be oe thing if they "included" a paid listing , but they have replaced his "paid listing" with an affiliates ad..

The point being.. before the owner of the program was getting those signups for "free" with no affiliate percentage being paid, now he is paying an affiliate for the very same traffic he was getting for free.
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heres a better example.. search for "porn videos" on yahoo.

look for the listings for "cumfiesta" and "cartoonporn"

those are both going to wildlinecorp, those aren't "included" results , those are rankings for the respective site , that they earned..
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yeah, that is different though...one of your affiliates actually does have more se shit going on than you all....

i hate it when that happens though, makes me work twice as hard to gain the top spot for my sites back....in my mind, i should always retain the top spot for my own sites, i feel like I have missed out or lost if someone else gets it
yeah... go to google and search for Video Professor I'm right below them and they still haven't figured out how I do it... they pay Google for their ranking and sometimes, depending upon what they do to their site, I trump them and end up in the top slot anyway.
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thats easy to do, just a bit of honest seo, no cheating involved.
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thats easy to do, just a bit of honest seo, no cheating involved.
wrong.. sorry..

The same company wildline owns almost every link to every big sponsors paysite ? i think not.

Its a sort of ppc campaign through yahoo it appears, strange there is no competition.
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heres a better example.. search for "porn videos" on yahoo.

look for the listings for "cumfiesta" and "cartoonporn"

those are both going to wildlinecorp, those aren't "included" results , those are rankings for the respective site , that they earned..
Nah, I believe those are still payed results.
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Basically since Y! likes spammy shit, they must of indexed his code as being the actual "ravenriley.com" site. That's what you get when 100s of affiliates are linking to your site, with title tags and alt tags as "RavenRiley.com". It's almost the same as BV's situation, just yahoo didnt list the string but cached it instead.

I doubt this was done on purpose, it's just a case of yahoo having a shitty algo.
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Nah, I believe those are still payed results.
they might still be paid results, but they certainly aren't included sites , they are being replaced. Like those arent "included" in the results. Those are the results , but they sold the serp basically.
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Basically since Y! likes spammy shit, they must of indexed his code as being the actual "ravenriley.com" site. That's what you get when 100s of affiliates are linking to your site, with title tags and alt tags as "RavenRiley.com". It's almost the same as BV's situation, just yahoo didnt list the string but cached it instead.

I doubt this was done on purpose, it's just a case of yahoo having a shitty algo.
i highly doubt the same error happens for almost every major porn site around

seems to happen for every bangbros , tcg , nastdollars site , on yahoo.
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yes you do....its call a direct xml feed. I use to have one with inktomi just the same as my friend chip that owns www.wildlinecorp.com.
Hit me up if you want his contact, his traffic is cheap and converts like a motherfucker.
No you dont - Im sorry but Yahoo offers the Content Acquisition Program which puts xml feed directly into the organic search results - and the better you are at SEO'ing it the better youre gonna rank - but anyone that signs up for their advertising programs can do it
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This is not "high search engine rankings". Look at MSN, Yahoo, AND Google; those are sponsored results. Just an affiliate (of ARS) using the keyword "Raven Riley" to link to his portal "naughtyplay" to push smut.com, which is an ARS site. MSN and Yahoo place their paid results at the top, Google places theirs on the right...

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This is not "high search engine rankings". Look at MSN, Yahoo, AND Google; those are sponsored results. Just an affiliate (of ARS) using the keyword "Raven Riley" to link to his portal "naughtyplay" to push smut.com, which is an ARS site. MSN and Yahoo place their paid results at the top, Google places theirs on the right...

That's all folks.
Theyre not talking about the sponsored results - theyre talking about the Yahoo real search results - the first listing that has ravenriley dot com as the url - it doesnt really go there - and it is paid advertising as posted before - but a different kind that you can do with Yahoo in the regular search results - they started this back when they split from Google
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"No you dont - Im sorry but Yahoo offers the Content Acquisition Program which puts xml feed directly into the organic search results - and the better you are at SEO'ing it the better youre gonna rank - but anyone that signs up for their advertising programs can do it"

wrong. Yahoo/inktomi and all its feeder portals have a trusted feed program which allows you to put thousands of pages into its database which of course float to the top of any related search result and they charge the trusted feed client a PPC rate. I know this as i use to have a contract with them and worked for companies even before that who also had contracts. Its much harder to get them now but chip from wildline corp does it properly. Inktomi love him.
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Theyre not talking about the sponsored results - theyre talking about the Yahoo real search results - the first listing that has ravenriley dot com as the url - it doesnt really go there - and it is paid advertising as posted before - but a different kind that you can do with Yahoo in the regular search results - they started this back when they split from Google

Youre right. Still, its an affiliate pushing through paid ads, no biggie. Yahoo and MSN just camouflage them into their top listings. We have quite a handful of partners that make us money this way.
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wrong. Yahoo/inktomi and all its feeder portals have a trusted feed program which allows you to put thousands of pages into its database which of course float to the top of any related search result and they charge the trusted feed client a PPC rate. I know this as i use to have a contract with them and worked for companies even before that who also had contracts. Its much harder to get them now but chip from wildline corp does it properly. Inktomi love him.
well you obviously know more than we do because you have experience with this sort of thing but it seems to me they ( yahoo ) are sort of stiffing the program owner..

Correct me if i am wrong here, without this service ravenriley got all the hits from yahoo free of charge and now they have to pay an affiliate a cut to be listed even though they bought a directory listing ? That doesnt seem very fair to the program owner.. Its not going to increase sales , it will just decrease profit.. I could see "including" listings , but it seems rather unfair to add an affiliate code to the highest bidder.. because they basically removed ravenrileys PAID listing in the yahoo directory ( these hits they pay $0 for )

p.s. ( i'm in no way blaming wildline , as they seem to have just gotten in when the getting was good ) seems there isn't much competition either, almost every paysite yahoo click is bought by wildline
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Youre right. Still, its an affiliate pushing through paid ads, no biggie. Yahoo and MSN just camouflage them into their top listings. We have quite a handful of partners that make us money this way.

I think your missing the point .. do a search for "porn videos" then click on the www.cumfiesta.com link ( not a top listing ) it redirects through wildline to affilid=hentinc
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Im glad you dont have your contract with Inktomi anymore - as they stopped providing listings for Yahoo on April 15th, 2004
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Youre right. Still, its an affiliate pushing through paid ads, no biggie. Yahoo and MSN just camouflage them into their top listings. We have quite a handful of partners that make us money this way.
infact try this , do a search for "scorevideos"

see the first result , thats an affiliate listing who got that from his seo work.. now see the second listing, thats www.scorevideos.com with no affiliate code, ( your own seo work ) but its actually a paid listing, now the site with no affiliate code is not there anymore . Before if someone had searched those search terms , they would have found either A) someones seo listing with affil code or B) your site with no affil code.
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I think your missing the point .. do a search for "porn videos" then click on the www.cumfiesta.com link ( not a top listing ) it redirects through wildline to affilid=hentinc

Almost all nasty links in yahoo go to affid=hentinc (or did when i last worked yahoo), i suspect it is there tag for houseacct...houseacct is what tcg results show as for a lot of yahoo terms.
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jaYMan - in answer to your original question - this is how they do it basically:
http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/rc/srchsb/ssp_ugd.php

note the fields when they submit the feed has the "shown url" as well as the real landing page
No one has really brought this up yet - but the FTC is investigating this type of marketing although so far Yahoo hasnt been hit as they do have an explanation of it at the top of every search result page - when you have your search results click on the "about this page" link towards the top right and you will get an explanation of their CAP program
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G'day Jayman, very nice site BTW!

Not sure how it is comming from yahoo's url address (rds.yahoo.com) at present but these are my findings;

- yahoo.com & searched for Raven Riley

- copied link location on #1 spot (showing green I saw it was www.ravenriley.com)
http://rds.yahoo.com/;_ylt=ApsJWzCtU...DBB799B607D244

- Scaned url from yahoo which appears to be directed to;

11:57:36 Info: engine: transfer-status: link added: http://www.ravenriley.com/tour1/?nat...OjE&tour=tour2 -> E:/_Downloads/test/www.ravenriley.com/tour1/index3f21.html
11:57:37 Info: engine: transfer-status: link added: http://www.ravenriley.com/tour1/exit...OjE&tour=tour2 -> E:/_Downloads/test/www.ravenriley.com/tour1/exit3f21.html
11:57:40 Warning: File has moved from http://www.ravenriley.com/tour1/main...OjE&tour=tour2 to http://www.ravenriley.com/tour2/?nats=MTE2NzozOjE
11:57:41 Info: engine: transfer-status: link added: join.ravenriley.com/popup_code.php?nats=MTE2NzozOjE -> E:/_Downloads/test/join.ravenriley.com/popup_code1e0e.html

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I saw the wildlinecorp domain but the log didn't show the url

It looks like it might be hosted at isprime so if you feel that they are stealing type in traffic then....
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Didn't add that it was first directed to www.ravenriley.com/tour1/index3f21.html
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Jayman -- OCCash is getting the same treatment. Fucking sucks!
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Jayman -- OCCash is getting the same treatment. Fucking sucks!
Why dont you ask wildline why they allow an affiliate to do this? They specifically say they dont accept affiliates.

I'd be pissed off
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Why dont you ask wildline why they allow an affiliate to do this? They specifically say they dont accept affiliates.

I'd be pissed off
If I have understood everything then wildline does not accept affiliates but they are the affiliate themself.
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Old 01-05-2006, 01:20 AM   #87
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its a very nice stuff to do
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Old 01-05-2006, 02:03 AM   #88
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You guys might want to look into this a bit more... If they're using the "Search Submit" program (PPC) then they may be violating the "Pages dedicated to directing the user to another page ("doorway pages")" guideline.. If they're using the Pro program then they might have a contract that allows them to do that.
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Old 01-05-2006, 02:10 AM   #89
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If I have understood everything then wildline does not accept affiliates but they are the affiliate themself.
Ding Ding DIng, You win half the prize!

Now for the other half guess who they are in bed with?
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Old 01-05-2006, 02:12 AM   #90
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You guys might want to look into this a bit more... If they're using the "Search Submit" program (PPC) then they may be violating the "Pages dedicated to directing the user to another page ("doorway pages")" guideline.. If they're using the Pro program then they might have a contract that allows them to do that.
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. No prize for you.
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Old 01-08-2006, 09:44 AM   #91
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Its spyware
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Its spyware
no sorry it's not spyware
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