Could not have been better said. I totally agree with you.

I know a thing or two about this reject also. One thing I've seen (that you may not have) is his photo sets in their entirety. Jeff's photography has improved very little if any since perfectiongirls. His indoor photography looks like video captures that are dark and often out of focus. Jeff's photography is so bad that it actually qualifies as being fraudulent. If you do your homework "BAD NEWS JEFF" should be avoided at all costs. :warning

I dont know..tell us why.

likewise..


Maybe these guys are referring to the thai whores they use for content.. maybe they are shooting all euro whores will will do almost anything for a buck or a fuck and a green card.. who knows.. there are so many different models and so many different aspects to porngraphy/photography..that a cut and dry answer will never be found or agreed upon

I'm a photographer and a pornographer. I'm not saying I have slept with all the models I have shot, but it does happen. I never push myself on anyone, actually I'm quite the opposite.

I think its a combination of things. Some models do get horney after they have been working for hours naked. Compared to most photographers, I'm pretty young ...31 .. and not bad looking. To be honest, when it does happen, it doesn't take much when I shoot before she starts getting frisky with me. I would say 75% of the models I shoot have hit on me first.

The reason one shoots a model over and over at $1000 a day is simple. I can make good money on her shoot and have fun with her while doing it. My business comes first, so if I can make money, why wouldn't I shoot her again. And if she happens to be great in bed .... well then I'd be getting a bonus when I shoot her.

Yep. I am the same way. As the cliche goes, "Don't get your meat where you make your bread".

It's not that some don't try. But I think in a business that has a lot of focus on your 'reputation' in the area where you live, it would make it difficult to be fucking all your models. Not to mention unethical, and professional.

I do not concern myself with those who do fuck their models, coworkers. I am just not going to risk my business, or create unnessesary drama just to get a fotojob or something. It's not worth it to me. I've seen plenty who DO fuck them, and they always have some powerkeg going off. Or borderline big ass drama that is just not worth the headaches.

:pimp

i dont care how many models anyone in this thread fucked
i dont care how good your pics are
i dont care how cheap or expensive your sets are

i like to buy content from people that arent asshats

Cause the bed in the suite is more comfy than the couch?
:rasta

Usually it is the model who wants to sleep with the shooter. For some reason this is weired because they have all those guys out there who want to get into their panties, but with a photographer it is the other way around. It's a nice world :-)

Ya have to know a thread like this would end up this way...

Because you build a closer relationship with them. This relationship shows through in the work, the work sells better and makes more money.

There are so many people in this thread who think there is an element of force applied or a girl needs to be a whore to sleep with a guy because she fancies him. A lot also seem to think a shooter/model relationship should never go beyond business.

Well criticize me if you like, but please point out the shooter who has a better track record than me. Let's hear from the shooters who are earning what I earn who have the years in business that I have, who have the cover shots I have. Many of them telling me how it should be done are no where near my level. Maybe I should listen to there advice of them and sell sets for $150 a piece. :1orglaugh

Then look at the shooters who do sleep with models and tell me where they are going wrong.

Eva Markham
David Bailey. I rest my case.

While you're in Vegas go to the AVN show and look at all the shooters who have girlfriends who are models.

Every time I read one of your threads I am more amazed that English is your native language.

It's strange as an industry what we put some girls through in order to make money. Some of the content we sell is close to abuse, degrading and insulting to women.

Yet to read some of these posts it seems the worse thing a shooter can do is have a close relationship with a model. DP her, anal fuck her till it hurts and then cover her face in cum is fine.

Make love to her and you're really are breaking the rules.

But some of the fools in this thread obviously have not got a clue. They live in a world where a set sells for $150 to $200 and would cream themselves to sell a set for $4,000. Yes a good solo girl set in my world sells for that money.

Excuse me if I do not listen to some of the advice given here.

Site owners and affiliates, what makes the difference in this business is the look in the girls eyes. Now who do you think will get the better look an employer or lover? The idea that a person the model does not like will get the look is beyond absurd.

I'm off to enjoy my holiday in SoCal.

I read that before and I just think you are talking for what works for you. You also deal with european women who have a totally different view on how to get more work.

I wonder what super models (tyra banks level) would say to your theory, I have seen some incredible pictures done where these models come off the billboards/magazines just oozing sexuality..and I could probably be safe to say they did not have to sleep with anyone to acheive that look.

I dont sleep with my photographers, and I find it easier to act stupid (or turn it on ) in front of someone I do not have an intimate relationship with...put my hubby behind the camera and I would totally freeze up..and he is the only man I desire.

brag all you want.. you cant pin point shit in this thread but what works for you...this subject is way too broad to narrow it down to such a black and white theory.

Poor English education. :(

Very true, it does work for some.

But to assume I would spend $1,000 to shoot a girl because she slept with me is a bit off. The girls who have to sleep with shooters to get work don't last long.

Off the top of my head I can think of 10 super models who slept with shooters.

probly they are bunch of nast fat greasy hoes

It's the unspoken, unwritten part of the contract that's understood between model and photographer as soon as they agree to do a shoot. It's not just in adult though. I have no doubt that many of the top female movie stars and singers had to sleep with the men in power to get where they are. But that part of their 'big break' won't air on Biography any time soon.

damn, thats a bad quality

Well, what do you do when your kick-ass photographer..pre-cum's in his shorts?

#1 reason,for me taking a step back from the "model" in front of the camera, to the "model" behind the camera. I hear about to much drama over the photographer
wanting to sleep with the model, and the model is soooo turned off, she doesn't even feel comfy shooting with the photographer again.

What a waste, mixing business with pleasure.

:1orglaugh Yeap

I though it was becuase you got to fuck the bitch and write it off as a business expense :pimp