I bet that people like Willem Holleeder (kidnapper of Heineken, yes the former owner of the beer brand) and Willem van Boxtel, former president of Hells Angels Amsterdam, who had to leave the club in 'bad standing' will also be assassinated within 1 year here in Holland.

I think you're missing the point here, its not whether or not it was designed to kill, its the fact that it can/did kill. Some indigenous people have been using guns to kill food for years, years and years before a bunch of idiot gangster wannabes and drunken rednecks used them to kill each other. Does this mean that it would have been better for them to not have guns ever, that way they couldn't protect themselves from voracious elk and mountain lions eager to eat their whole village? Or that instead of hunting to eat, they should have just eaten dirt until they died?

You need to think outside the box here man. I know society has programmed you all to think a certain way about guns and to not use your imagination, but let loose for once and use your imagination.

I love Heineken.

When I was there 2 summers ago some stupid fucker tried to rob a gas station with an unloaded grenade launcher. Coulda been bad if it had been loaded. I say give em guns! Less dangerous that way :)

So the crime scene doesn't get wet... you're a regular genius aren't you.

It was one of the first big kidnaps here in Holland (around 1984 I think). Leader was Cor van Hout (assessinated 3 years ago) and there where Frans Meijer (went crazy), Jan Boellaard (still a big criminal) and Willem Holleeder (one of the biggest criminals in Amsterdam). Target was former owner of Heineken, Freddie Heineken (died of natural causes later).

It was a very spectacular time here in the Netherlands. Later Cor van Hout published a book in which he describes all preperations they took before the kidnap and everything that happened during. Very interesting to read.

I think I saw pictures of that Heineken guy when I went through the old Heineken brewery tour. Was he the one who more or less turned Heineken into a major brewer and made it really profitable?

ah so gang land cleaning house...good...things need to be shooken up now and then

No guns in Holland.

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MMMMM nice one.

50 gats go blaka blaka

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Well that's pretty blatant :1orglaugh

...Now Check It Bitches! :thumbsup

That's my baby. :winkwink:

Criminals killing criminals..who cares? Jeez get a clue before you start posting stuff that that.

No reason to sugarcoat it. :upsidedow

That wasn't the point, might not hurt to take your own advice. :2 cents:

What about this one:

Top criminials, can get guns, and they kill eachother so now and then when a deal goes wrong.

If everyone woulod be able to buy a gun, more ppl would be killed FOR SURE.

Example: Sometimes I get really really mad, what I do now is I punch him, and walk away. When I would have a gun, I MIGHT freak out and use it...Get the point now?

Hey man.. it's Holland we live in. You can get a gun at every corner of the street. Don't have to be a topcriminal for that..

Exactly... I know somebody that would have been likely to kill somebody if he owned a gun...

You pretty much have to be a criminal for it though, and you'll need some sort of criminal connections. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in this country who do not engage in illegal weapons sales.

Bullshit You'd be surprised how many people own a gun here.
Just got to the nearest coffeeshop, pay $ 1k and walk out with a gun. That simple.

Hawaii is sooooo not depressing compared to NYC dude. I really love it out of all the tropical places. I hope to have a crib in Kona someday overlooking those hypnotic bodies of water and the millions of stars. Swoon.

Has it occurred to you that it wouldn't even occur to the majority of the population to go to a coffeeshop with $1k in cash to buy a gun?

If they want to buy one ? They will.. can't buy it on Marktplaats. :winkwink:

I know what you mean, I am in Michigan at the moment and its cold as fuck here, and there isn't shit to do. Not only that, I raked leaves the other day for the first time in my adult life and now I am sick as a result. :Oh crap

ANYTHING can be obtained for the right price. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves. Franck knows this, he just likes to argue about it, which is fine, because I do too. Plus I like being right. :winkwink:

And that's exactly the point. The fact that guns are (mostly) illegal and that buying one requires someone to go to some shady coffee shop with a handful of cash to give to some shady arab is enough to put most people off the idea of buying them.

Yeah he was. He was really the BIG guy behind Heineken.

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SHADY coffeshop ? SHADY arab ? You're a tool.

Actually, I'm not a criminal, and thus have very little idea of how one would go about buying illegal weapons to post pics of on message boards. If not engaging in crimes which could land me in prison makes me a tool, so be it.

Me, I like it here on the non-Tokkie side of society.

All respect. Bought the gun for something completely else. However, that's not the issue. I respect the fact you say you have little idea how to obtain a weapon here. I just wanted to say it's easier than you think. No Tokkie stuff..your neighbour could be selling them.

Ah yeah, I remember seeing all kinds of pictures of him all over the place. My hats off to that guy. :thumbsup

You could be right about Willem van Boxtel, but since Holleeder is good friends with mr.Jocic, and some other things I've heard, I think he is playing a different role in this story........

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Fuck off you useless spamming piece of shit. :321GFY

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What he said.

Hey at least he was done right! Next time I come to holland... I'm goin franck huntin!

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I guess thats what you call self control. With a permit to carry a concealed pistol, you need to flex your self control, not your rage. And if comes down to it, break his face with your hand, let him wake up in the morning, look in the mirror and remember not to slip up again. Some people don't deserve to be put down so quick.

Smart posting your gas-pistol (pretending its a real one) which is illegal where youre from on a public board.