Every trade is INFECTED - GoFuckYourself.com

Choker · 03-16-2002, 09:57 AM

This last week almost ALL my trades have sent me bot traffic. I am talking about some of the BIGGEST and most RESPECTED sites on the web. They are getting it from their trades and it is being passed on to their trades. EVEN sites who don't even use trade script is being affected. I just verified with 3 of my trades by matching up ip numbers, that this BOT IS CAPABLE OF GOING UP TO 4 LEVEL deep thru trades. So tracking down the originating site is practically impossible. When you receive the bot traffic from a trade, that trades productivity increased greatly, so this bot is clicking all over your page. The only way to stop it is too look for unusually high productivity, more than 100 repetitive ips outgoing, and block the ip block with htaccess. If you trade at all and think this has not affected you, YOU ARE MISTAKEN.

Here is my htaccess, with many of the ips this bot is using : http://chokinchicken.com/webmasters/htaccess.htm

03-16-2002, 10:01 AM

format c:

or

rm -rf /

03-16-2002, 10:02 AM

hint:
get Lane's Cheat Buster and you'll be fine

The Truth · 03-16-2002, 10:07 AM

Nice page Choker...

I learned a couple things from it. I have someone else police my sites for me but I recognize a LOT of the domains you had listed as cheaters.

One question tho...
On the re-direct url you had pointed to your sponsor.... what was the [L] for at the end of it..??

Choker · 03-16-2002, 10:30 AM

The Truth: Honestly, I don't know what the [L] is for. I just know it works. I am with Datahosters who uses Plesk desk, so my htaccess is a little different. I don't even use

<Limit GET>
order allow,deny
allow from all

on my htaccess as the Plesk assumes these commands automatically.

The biggest problem with this bot is that most tgp's don't realize that they are getting and passing this bot traffic on to their trades. And many who do know choose to ignore it, thinking it will go away without any intervention on their part.

Jakke PNG · 03-16-2002, 10:35 AM

My sites have been a bit slow lately, where can I download this bot?

The Truth · 03-16-2002, 11:01 AM

I hear ya... if it aint broke.... :D

I sent that page to my host and my tech guy to make sure those ip's get added to our list.

I know for a fact I have a hitbot hitting my site twice a day running thru my links because I have hidden links that it hits right in a row on the same 2 hours everyday. It's fucked up tho cuz I know all of my large trades and it's none of them. I'm assuming it's someone I blacklisted and they never turned their bot off so to speak.

What script do you use to run your trades..?? and what sites ya run..?? Maybe we can work out a trade... I'm shutting down all my auto add pages cuz it's getting too hard to find real sites anymore.

Steve · 03-16-2002, 03:08 PM

Choker is a good guy. I started a trade with him recently, and his script kept shutting it down. My site was passing on this bullshit bot traffic over to him. Like you, Truth, I know almost every one of my trades, and I find it hard to beleive any of them are actually the source. On top of this, Choker saw similar stats coming from other established sites, run by well known and respected webmasters. So, thankfully, I didn't get blasted on a cheaters board. Instead, he helped me address this problem.

Choker says this bullshit traffic is possibly coming from as many as four trades away. He passed on the IP info to me, helped me get my htaccess set up, and our trade has been healthy ever since. And I have not noticed an inordinate drop in traffic, besides the usual weekend slowdown (my best days seem to be Mon-Wed).

This new bot is a motherfucker. It didn't click on my hidden links. I did not see any weird stats in my UCJ generated referrer reports. I do not know where it was comning from. And I'm sure my trades weren't aware they were sending this over to me, either.

Equinox
I spoke with Lane the other night. He said it wasn't ready for re-sale yet, and I might get in on phase two of his beta testing.

pr0 · 03-16-2002, 03:17 PM

I have 1.3 million proxy's for sale

Contact me a.s.a..p & i will cut you a deal.

Wiredoctor · 03-16-2002, 03:23 PM

Well since the traffic the cj scripts sends isnt real anyway, why don't you all just save all this wasted time messing with them and go back to REAL trading. Put a damm link up so a REAL surfer can click it and not just an electronically generated signal. Also it will virtually end the Hit Bot Saga.

Just my 2 cents.

boneprone · 03-16-2002, 03:23 PM

id be thankful if someone would icq me sometime to warn me about suspected hit bot sites.

I have a guy who looks over my shit for me, but you can never be too sure.

Steve · 03-16-2002, 03:57 PM

Wiredoctor
This shit could fuck you just as hard if you run trades old school. Maybe harder, since it would be harder to catch. These new hitbots not only come to your page, they can actually follow thru on your outgoing links. Much like a search engine spider.

And guess what? They can fuck over a click thru sponsor, too. So I hope all you big boys have invested into outstanding proxy protection. Because it's bad enough they fuck over trades, I don't want these basterds to make money.

Boneprone
Best thing you can do is check the AWI cheaters board once/day.
And this shit might not be coming from your trade partner. It might be coming from a site that trades with a site that trades with a guy that trades with your trade partner.

Fletch XXX · 03-16-2002, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Equinox
hint:
get Lane's Cheat Buster and you'll be fine

I use CJ Ulta, and One day I asked why so much of my traffic was being sent to 69tennies since I do NOT trade with them on the cjultra.com <a href=http://www.cjultra.com/board/thread.php?id=937>here</a> which explains that in the cj code "&first=1" which sends the surfer to the gallery 100%, well I noticed one day, checking my links, the first link I clicked brought me to 69teenies, interested I did a couple days worth of clicking on my site, including and NOT limited to finding out on my trades page, some of *their* first clicks were being sent to 69tennies and waaaaay more traffic was going to 69tennies than MY fucking trade! So I posted about it http://www.cjultra.com/board/thread.php?id=937

topic was closed... and my "why did you close the topic?" thread deleted. Is this the same Lane? Gonna bust my cheaters?

i was only curious as to why the script was sending my surfers to this site, thought something may be wrong, I am new to CJ Ultra... instead topics were closed, and replies deleted.

hmmm... yeah okay... "I dont own that site, you gotta email them to trade with them." uh huh...

Backov · 03-16-2002, 04:57 PM

Ok, first off - I will say I'm not a big fan of CJUltra..

Now that's out of the way, I'll say that Lane would have to be a complete and utter nut to do ANYTHING unscupulous like what you are describing. It took me all of 5 minutes to find where his script skimmed the traffic the last time I looked at it, and it was taking approximately 1.6% (ie, a certain second every minute had all of that seconds traffic redirected = 1.6%)

Anyone with source as open as Lane's (CJUltra is in PHP) would be asking to get their ass kicked if they tried something like that. I just don't believe it, most likely he shut the thread down because you were slagging him on his board.

However, I am quite willing to admit that I may be wrong here, and that Lane has changed his traffic skimming method.. In that case, he may very well be doing something unscupulous, who knows.

Cheers,
Backov

Fletch XXX · 03-16-2002, 05:08 PM

Hey man, thats why I posted links to the thread, I dont know anything about CJ Ultra, or Lane personally,... I was just asking a question, which my question is still posted on that thread, which says nothing "slagging him" , again the thread is still on his board...

My " hey man you locked the thread before I could reply, the reason I am asking here is because I am NOT trading with 69tennies but my traffic is going there" said nothing against him or his script, and if you really need to, ask him, not me what the post said..., I never bash anyone, especially not the Admin of CJ Ultra after 3 posts... not my style. And I am not that stupid, afterall, I was only asking the script owners how to use it...

I merely asked a question, and it was locked, fairly quickly too, which led me to speculate, so why would he lock the first post so suddenly?

I dont know anything about cracking php or anything like that, I simply installed it, added his code to about 200+ links and began checkin my links, I clicked every one of them, and out of them a shitload went to a site I was NOT trading with... its simple.

Nothing personal, I was just curious...

Corona · 03-16-2002, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone
Who really does own that site?

Whois says that Dawgy of Woof Media Group is the owner. He posts here on GFY.

Fletch XXX · 03-16-2002, 05:38 PM

Now that you mention it, I did see a ++parameter="dawgy" in a url that popped from 69tennies and places a nasty internet eraser alert window, guess thats from the tgp too?

uh oh spaghettios....

added:....\
++it may not have popped from 69tennies directly but from a cj link on my site.... again, sites I do not trade with, could it have anything to do with productivity?

Dawgy · 03-16-2002, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone
69teenies has had some suspicions and has been discussed between webmasters for sometime now.

Who really does own that site?

yep i own 69teenies... i am buying traffic from lane to feed the site while i screw around with designs and such to make it grow... whats wrong with that? why discuss "suspicions" with other webmasters without asking me? sometimes i think people on this board are looking for a reason to slander someone.

Dawgy · 03-16-2002, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
popped from 69tennies and places a nasty internet eraser alert window, guess thats from the tgp too?

its not nasty, hit altf4 & it closes. and yea it pops, but only from the url im sending traffic to... it does not pop on my site with trades....

Fletch XXX · 03-16-2002, 06:42 PM

Well bro, I am not trading with you and I hit your site from my cj links. I would have never heard of your site until it popped from my links...

Look I get my girl to check my links for me daily, and she checks for pop ups and traps... she asked me why links were going to 69teenies... and why she couldnt get an internet eraser banner off her screen, I didnt put the shit there, nor did I "add" your site to my trade list bro, I was just trying to find out why your site was popping from me dude... and if there was a way to set it up so I could get some credit for these outs, (new to the script) so I asked on the CJ Ultra board since thats where I got the fucking script, question dodged, topic closed, reply deleted...

My question still goes ignored, I just wanna know why its popping from my site, is there a way to stop it?

Dawgy · 03-16-2002, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
My question still goes ignored, I just wanna know why its popping from my site, is there a way to stop it?

in exchange for getting a free script, lane takes a % of the traffic... this is a well known fact and is a good deal for both the webmaster & lane...

i buy some of that traffic... and i send it to 69teenies as feeder traffic to grow the site...

thats why u get the site, and i doubt u can stop it.

sandman! · 03-16-2002, 06:50 PM

Fletch XXX:
No you cant get it stoped thats the price you pay for a free script the 1.6% of your clicks.

Unless lane made a paid version allready

boneprone · 03-16-2002, 07:01 PM

i have no idea why people tell me suspicions over this, like i care.
I also dont understand why they post it on boards.. You buy 404 from lane, who cares?
They should be talking it over with you directly. Why would I care if CJ Ultra is sending you traffic?

Strange why they just dont go and ask you or lane and rather them go and you, they instead ask others rasing suspicions, and posting on boards

But for some reason yes, I get questions about your site.
I have no idea why, I just do. Do people not know you run it or do you keep it secret or something? These people sound as if they have no idea who even runs and have no way of contacting you. Obviously you dont keep it a secret you own it or you wouldnt have responded to this thread. i just dont get it.

Dawgy · 03-16-2002, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone
But for some reason yes, I get questions about your site.
I have no idea why, I just do.

but...but...but... youre sposed to be all knowing

im outta here gang, i need a night off. if you have a problem what i do with my purchased traffic, well, you can buy it instead and do what you want with it

woof.

boneprone · 03-16-2002, 07:10 PM

shit, i was going to buy some 404 traffic also.
Now im scared!

People are gunna think something sneaky is going on!
LOL

Fletch XXX · 03-16-2002, 07:21 PM

How could we have a problem with you Dawgy, 69teenies rocks

I go there daily now

I just didnt like the other things that pop when your site was popped from mine, the Internet eraser banner whether you consider it nasty or not, anything that you simply cant "click to close" is nasty, imo... most surfers dont know about alt;f4

This was never personal, just when an honest inquiry is shut down it makes me wonder...why? Did I say something wrong?

So no big deal, I get the swap, its just at my expense, you buy the traffic from Lane, and I supply hehehe... I thought maybe it had something to do with productivity ya know, say if my hits were at a certain productivity % cj "ulart" would send *those* hits to Lane or whoever he sends them to ;) no big deal...good luck...

TheFLY · 03-16-2002, 08:50 PM

I think there are some people mistaken in this thread...

a: Not all proxies can be detected -- so a proxy detection script gives you a false sense of security.

b: Just because you can "detect" hitbot traffic from a site -- does not mean that this webmaster is using a bot.

Steve · 03-16-2002, 08:56 PM

Pete
Not saying that the site sending the bot traffic is the bot user.

Fletch XXX
You pay a price for buying traffic. Even if I were to buy traffic to feed a site, I'd send it to a mirror URL that pops up some kind of garbage sponsor (4free, dialer, eraser), in an attempt to immediatly recoup the price of the traffic purchase.

Lane gets a % of the traffic from all CJ Ultra users. All he will hold to is that he doesn't send it to a pure CJ hell.

03-16-2002, 09:57 AM	#1
Choker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orlando Posts: 9,024	Every trade is INFECTED This last week almost ALL my trades have sent me bot traffic. I am talking about some of the BIGGEST and most RESPECTED sites on the web. They are getting it from their trades and it is being passed on to their trades. EVEN sites who don't even use trade script is being affected. I just verified with 3 of my trades by matching up ip numbers, that this BOT IS CAPABLE OF GOING UP TO 4 LEVEL deep thru trades. So tracking down the originating site is practically impossible. When you receive the bot traffic from a trade, that trades productivity increased greatly, so this bot is clicking all over your page. The only way to stop it is too look for unusually high productivity, more than 100 repetitive ips outgoing, and block the ip block with htaccess. If you trade at all and think this has not affected you, YOU ARE MISTAKEN. Here is my htaccess, with many of the ips this bot is using : http://chokinchicken.com/webmasters/htaccess.htm

03-16-2002, 10:07 AM	#4
The Truth Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: U.S.of A. Posts: 920	Nice page Choker... I learned a couple things from it. I have someone else police my sites for me but I recognize a LOT of the domains you had listed as cheaters. One question tho... On the re-direct url you had pointed to your sponsor.... what was the [L] for at the end of it..?? __________________

03-16-2002, 10:35 AM	#6
Jakke PNG ex-TeenGodFather Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suomi Finland Perkele Posts: 20,306	My sites have been a bit slow lately, where can I download this bot? __________________ ..and I'm off.

03-16-2002, 11:01 AM	#7
The Truth Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: U.S.of A. Posts: 920	I hear ya... if it aint broke.... :D I sent that page to my host and my tech guy to make sure those ip's get added to our list. I know for a fact I have a hitbot hitting my site twice a day running thru my links because I have hidden links that it hits right in a row on the same 2 hours everyday. It's fucked up tho cuz I know all of my large trades and it's none of them. I'm assuming it's someone I blacklisted and they never turned their bot off so to speak. What script do you use to run your trades..?? and what sites ya run..?? Maybe we can work out a trade... I'm shutting down all my auto add pages cuz it's getting too hard to find real sites anymore. __________________

03-16-2002, 03:23 PM	#10
Wiredoctor Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Great USA Posts: 1,632	Well since the traffic the cj scripts sends isnt real anyway, why don't you all just save all this wasted time messing with them and go back to REAL trading. Put a damm link up so a REAL surfer can click it and not just an electronically generated signal. Also it will virtually end the Hit Bot Saga. Just my 2 cents. __________________ Search For Everything In One Easy Portal Big Juicy Nipples.com Last edited by Wiredoctor; 03-16-2002 at 03:25 PM..

03-16-2002, 10:01 AM	#2
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03-16-2002, 10:02 AM	#3
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	hint: get Lane's Cheat Buster and you'll be fine

03-16-2002, 10:30 AM	#5
Choker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orlando Posts: 9,024	The Truth: Honestly, I don't know what the [L] is for. I just know it works. I am with Datahosters who uses Plesk desk, so my htaccess is a little different. I don't even use <Limit GET> order allow,deny allow from all on my htaccess as the Plesk assumes these commands automatically. The biggest problem with this bot is that most tgp's don't realize that they are getting and passing this bot traffic on to their trades. And many who do know choose to ignore it, thinking it will go away without any intervention on their part.

03-16-2002, 03:08 PM	#8
Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,894	Choker is a good guy. I started a trade with him recently, and his script kept shutting it down. My site was passing on this bullshit bot traffic over to him. Like you, Truth, I know almost every one of my trades, and I find it hard to beleive any of them are actually the source. On top of this, Choker saw similar stats coming from other established sites, run by well known and respected webmasters. So, thankfully, I didn't get blasted on a cheaters board. Instead, he helped me address this problem. Choker says this bullshit traffic is possibly coming from as many as four trades away. He passed on the IP info to me, helped me get my htaccess set up, and our trade has been healthy ever since. And I have not noticed an inordinate drop in traffic, besides the usual weekend slowdown (my best days seem to be Mon-Wed). This new bot is a motherfucker. It didn't click on my hidden links. I did not see any weird stats in my UCJ generated referrer reports. I do not know where it was comning from. And I'm sure my trades weren't aware they were sending this over to me, either. Equinox I spoke with Lane the other night. He said it wasn't ready for re-sale yet, and I might get in on phase two of his beta testing.

03-16-2002, 03:17 PM	#9
pr0 rockin tha trailerpark Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: ~Coastal~ Posts: 23,088	I have 1.3 million proxy's for sale Contact me a.s.a..p & i will cut you a deal.

03-16-2002, 03:23 PM	#11
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	id be thankful if someone would icq me sometime to warn me about suspected hit bot sites. I have a guy who looks over my shit for me, but you can never be too sure. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

03-16-2002, 03:57 PM	#12
Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,894	Wiredoctor This shit could fuck you just as hard if you run trades old school. Maybe harder, since it would be harder to catch. These new hitbots not only come to your page, they can actually follow thru on your outgoing links. Much like a search engine spider. And guess what? They can fuck over a click thru sponsor, too. So I hope all you big boys have invested into outstanding proxy protection. Because it's bad enough they fuck over trades, I don't want these basterds to make money. Boneprone Best thing you can do is check the AWI cheaters board once/day. And this shit might not be coming from your trade partner. It might be coming from a site that trades with a site that trades with a guy that trades with your trade partner.

03-16-2002, 04:57 PM	#14
Backov Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Cat Detector Van Posts: 1,600	Ok, first off - I will say I'm not a big fan of CJUltra.. Now that's out of the way, I'll say that Lane would have to be a complete and utter nut to do ANYTHING unscupulous like what you are describing. It took me all of 5 minutes to find where his script skimmed the traffic the last time I looked at it, and it was taking approximately 1.6% (ie, a certain second every minute had all of that seconds traffic redirected = 1.6%) Anyone with source as open as Lane's (CJUltra is in PHP) would be asking to get their ass kicked if they tried something like that. I just don't believe it, most likely he shut the thread down because you were slagging him on his board. However, I am quite willing to admit that I may be wrong here, and that Lane has changed his traffic skimming method.. In that case, he may very well be doing something unscupulous, who knows. Cheers, Backov __________________ <embed src="http://banners.spotbrokers.com/button.swf" FlashVars="clickURL=http://banners.spotbrokers.com" quality=high pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="120" height="60"></embed>

03-16-2002, 05:08 PM	#15
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Hey man, thats why I posted links to the thread, I dont know anything about CJ Ultra, or Lane personally,... I was just asking a question, which my question is still posted on that thread, which says nothing "slagging him" , again the thread is still on his board... My " hey man you locked the thread before I could reply, the reason I am asking here is because I am NOT trading with 69tennies but my traffic is going there" said nothing against him or his script, and if you really need to, ask him, not me what the post said..., I never bash anyone, especially not the Admin of CJ Ultra after 3 posts... not my style. And I am not that stupid, afterall, I was only asking the script owners how to use it... I merely asked a question, and it was locked, fairly quickly too, which led me to speculate, so why would he lock the first post so suddenly? I dont know anything about cracking php or anything like that, I simply installed it, added his code to about 200+ links and began checkin my links, I clicked every one of them, and out of them a shitload went to a site I was NOT trading with... its simple. Nothing personal, I was just curious... __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

03-16-2002, 05:38 PM	#17
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Now that you mention it, I did see a ++parameter="dawgy" in a url that popped from 69tennies and places a nasty internet eraser alert window, guess thats from the tgp too? uh oh spaghettios.... added:....\ ++it may not have popped from 69tennies directly but from a cj link on my site.... again, sites I do not trade with, could it have anything to do with productivity? __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me Last edited by Fletch XXX; 03-16-2002 at 05:41 PM..

03-16-2002, 06:42 PM	#20
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Well bro, I am not trading with you and I hit your site from my cj links. I would have never heard of your site until it popped from my links... Look I get my girl to check my links for me daily, and she checks for pop ups and traps... she asked me why links were going to 69teenies... and why she couldnt get an internet eraser banner off her screen, I didnt put the shit there, nor did I "add" your site to my trade list bro, I was just trying to find out why your site was popping from me dude... and if there was a way to set it up so I could get some credit for these outs, (new to the script) so I asked on the CJ Ultra board since thats where I got the fucking script, question dodged, topic closed, reply deleted... My question still goes ignored, I just wanna know why its popping from my site, is there a way to stop it? __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

03-16-2002, 06:50 PM	#22
sandman! Icq: 14420613 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: chicago Posts: 15,432	Fletch XXX: No you cant get it stoped thats the price you pay for a free script the 1.6% of your clicks. Unless lane made a paid version allready

03-16-2002, 07:01 PM	#23
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	i have no idea why people tell me suspicions over this, like i care. I also dont understand why they post it on boards.. You buy 404 from lane, who cares? They should be talking it over with you directly. Why would I care if CJ Ultra is sending you traffic? Strange why they just dont go and ask you or lane and rather them go and you, they instead ask others rasing suspicions, and posting on boards But for some reason yes, I get questions about your site. I have no idea why, I just do. Do people not know you run it or do you keep it secret or something? These people sound as if they have no idea who even runs and have no way of contacting you. Obviously you dont keep it a secret you own it or you wouldnt have responded to this thread. i just dont get it. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids. Last edited by boneprone; 03-16-2002 at 07:04 PM..

03-16-2002, 07:10 PM	#25
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	shit, i was going to buy some 404 traffic also. Now im scared! People are gunna think something sneaky is going on! LOL __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

03-16-2002, 07:21 PM	#26
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	How could we have a problem with you Dawgy, 69teenies rocks I go there daily now I just didnt like the other things that pop when your site was popped from mine, the Internet eraser banner whether you consider it nasty or not, anything that you simply cant "click to close" is nasty, imo... most surfers dont know about alt;f4 This was never personal, just when an honest inquiry is shut down it makes me wonder...why? Did I say something wrong? So no big deal, I get the swap, its just at my expense, you buy the traffic from Lane, and I supply hehehe... I thought maybe it had something to do with productivity ya know, say if my hits were at a certain productivity % cj "ulart" would send those hits to Lane or whoever he sends them to ;) no big deal...good luck... __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

03-16-2002, 08:50 PM	#27
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	I think there are some people mistaken in this thread... a: Not all proxies can be detected -- so a proxy detection script gives you a false sense of security. b: Just because you can "detect" hitbot traffic from a site -- does not mean that this webmaster is using a bot.

03-16-2002, 08:56 PM	#28
Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,894	Pete Not saying that the site sending the bot traffic is the bot user. Fletch XXX You pay a price for buying traffic. Even if I were to buy traffic to feed a site, I'd send it to a mirror URL that pops up some kind of garbage sponsor (4free, dialer, eraser), in an attempt to immediatly recoup the price of the traffic purchase. Lane gets a % of the traffic from all CJ Ultra users. All he will hold to is that he doesn't send it to a pure CJ hell.