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Spacedog... if YOU don't like the idea, and it wouldn't be profitable for YOU it doesn't mean it's a bad idea.
Actually it's a great idea, but as with TGP2 there's a downside.. everyone should do it in order to make it work.

The big TGP's using this system now should start listing only those galleries that were paid for, otherwise the entire plan loses it's point.

Unfortunately this won't work. But ideas are a terrible thing just to let rot in your head.

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spacedog

the whole point I am trying to make is, What changes? Dont seem like anything changes.. all 30 or so tgps would need to conform to the same rules & standards..

What the hun sometimes declines is accepted at jjj & worldsex, & so on.. That's my whole issue.. the issue is not about making profit.. it's about how this will or will not work..

Rod

Who is Thumbsmaster?

Rod

The thing that could change is that there would be no more thousands & thousands of newbies that does not want to invest a penny in this biz, flooding all the TGPs forms...

That is my point...

Snake Doctor

This thread just confirmed what I already suspected.....Spacedog is a fucking moron.

The Hun is the filet mignon of the cow called TGP. 100K hits from his site brings in 2-3 times the joins that 100K hits from any other TGP would bring.
The fact that you can't convert his traffic and have decided to blame him and his traffic instead of your gallery layout, content or sponsor selection just goes to show how narrow minded you are. If you're not making $$ it must be someone else's fault right?

If you'd quit arguing with Steve and listen to him, you might actually be making $$ off of TGP instead of complaining about how bad TGP's are. That guy can build a sweet ass gallery and he's helped more than one newbie learn to make a living off of TGP traffic.

But as usual you think you already know everything, you should really go back to McDonald's before they find someone to take your position doing the fries.

Nedder

Well one of the things I love about the adult webmaster community is that there are plenty of people in it who once they've hit it big or even medium, they are willing to give back to the community that helped them earn success.

One thing I like about the Hun is he makes it a point to list people on freeservers or people who are just starting out. The first gallery I ever made was listed on The Hun's first page the day after I submitted it. And I know there are a ton of webmasters here who make it a point to help others out, its what makes this community strong in my opinion.

That being said, the mass influx of submissions is creating an obvious problem for everyone. Some people blame the newbies for autosubmitting. My personal belief is that there are tons of experienced cheaters out there using their resources to flood the lists with autosubmissions.

An idea of a network of sites, say 20-30 big ones, who band together and figure out an honest submitter verification process that would guarantee daily links evenly rotated on the front page for $1,000 is not out of line at all. That would be the same as paying 20 Large TGPs a $50 monthly listing fee, a great deal IMHO.

It's almost like an Adult HMO, rather than charge the big bucks for the prime top 10 spots, they will be getting paid less for all spots without having to market, a.k.a. guaranteed income. And of course they could still market the top listings the way they currently do to make even more money.

There would be alot of admin hassle with this plan no doubt, but it's an interesting idea nonetheless. Something needs to be done, and I think it needs to start with an honest, workable way to identify submitters. I wish someone smarter than me could come up with one.

Nz

Kimmykim

Dude, wake the fuck up. If you aren't this to make a profit you need to sit down shut up and STOP CRYING.

This is a business, not a collective, and what you seem to feel you are due, like guaranteed listings, is something from cold war communism.

Put a sock in your mouth, get yourself a tgp and collect a few dollars from people.

Oh wait, that would be too simple now wouldn't it?

Nedder

Kimmykim's comments illustrate perfectly that adult webmaster bond of altruism and charity i mentioned previously.

Nz

Kimmykim

Alas nedder, I have one charity at home, I don't need any others ;)

11 years old is an expensive age for a kid ;)

FATPad

This is a great idea.

If people want to charge to get into their pool of submissions that's their choice. No one has to pay if they feel they can't make it work.

No one owes anyone else listings anyways. TGP's aren't public utilities who have to take submissions from every single person in the world.

GTS Mark

Well I think there were some very good points raised here. I was thinking about this very topic the other day.

How about this...If the big top 50 sites decided to build a database. They then charge a nominal fee to get into this database of "preferred submitters". Make a database with full names, phone numbers (checked) and also domains, all done when the gallery maker joins the database and pays his/her $100 monthly fee. This way if someone did pay the monthly $100 fee and decided to 404 his gallery or cheat he could be banned and not allowed back into this preferred database of submitters.

This way the tgp makers would benefit because they are not in competition with the cheaters who make 10+ galleries a day and russian submit them all and flood all the submission databases. Hence way more chance of getting listed and making more $$$!

It would benefit the tgp owners because they get less bullshit, less submissions (yet quality), less cheaters and also a new influx of income.

I wonder if this would be a tax deductable expense?? Hmmmmm???

I would like the Hun's opinion on this...

DH

Snake Doctor

Do children have a "cheap age"?? Mine just turned 4 and for the last 4 years I've been bleeding money out of orifices I didn't even know I had.....are you telling me its going to get worse?

TheFLY

Yeah I was thinking about the same thing... this counter would have to be able to count a hell of a lot of hits -- the software could get pretty complex -- in each profile of each webmaster in the club you could show how much traffic each webmaster received from each TGP -- then total all those #'s and break that down into %'s to decide how to split the membership profits... then even the small TGP's can participate to make a little extra loot... there would be a lot of attempts to cheat a counter -- especially if you opened this club to any TGP -- so that idea may have to be thrown out... unless the TGP's sent the traffic directly to a cgi club ID link which would redirect to the proper gallery... that would be even cooler...

seems like a little work for some programmer -- but would probably pay off in lots of intangible ways -- banner spots, emails, think of all the sponsors wanting to advertise to these high-profile submitters through this club -- the quality of the galleries goes up, TGPs can find good galleries much faster, the TGP's make a little more profit, and everyone stays honest...

TheFLY

Sounds like most of us are in agreement on this -- we seem to be describing the same database type system ;) -- maybe somebody needs to build it? Somebody w/ connections to some big TGP's... If somebody builds this thing and it's clean looking -- I'd definitely participate -- submitting and posting galleries... Basically we have fleshed out an entire concept site here that will make bank -- somebody like Keev who always has hired programmers on hand should crank this sucker out ;) Even if we don't have all the big TGP's in participation -- I'm sure there would be plenty of TGP's willing to post galleries for a slice of the membership dues...

Theo

nice concept, sad it won't happen ;) trust me

Ludedude

Shit, Gary's only 11?? He looks old for his age

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Snake Doctor

Hey ya never know. TGP2 started on this board because a TGP owner threw out some crazy idea on a thread

Regardless of your personal opinion on TGP2, its still alive and growing.

SleazyDream

Yup, TGP2 is growing wild and out of controll like the pot plants in your local police station flower bed.

Wild and crazy and out-of controll but no one seems to have noticed or cared.

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spacedog

Hey Lenny2.. You must just fucking scan the threads & completely miss the whole fucking issue & point..
I wasnt fucking blaming no one for anything, & never said I didnt convert shit.. I was trying to make an example & a very valid point, but you can't seem to see that because of your blind greed.


I make a fucking valid statement, 2 posts above the one of you bashing me & you fucking twist is completely around on me..
shut the fuck up & listen...

This is my opinion..

this would only work if all the tgps in on it had the same set of rules & guidelines.. DUH...

webmasters, I think, would only be interested in paying a fee if it guarantees them that they will get listed if they follow the guidelines


If you were not too fucking busy trying to figure out your cut of $1000 a month x 100,000+ webmasters x 12 months % 30 tgps you'd see my fucking point!!!

421Fill

LOL. Go on ahead and do it. All of the big guys will be stuck with the same listings daily. hehe. Us *lowly* newbies will much more variety. It'd be kinda funny when all the bookmarkers they have figure this out and then go to us smaller guys for something different. LOL

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quiet

actually, it's 500.

you are correct sir ;)

Theo

i'm tired now and i dont have much time to express my thoughts about tgp2. One thing i'll point out, tgp2 doesnt need 500k tgp sites to be described as succesful. Same with linklists.

Frank W

Will not be an issue if the top 30-40 TGPs employ sophisticated content rotation software.

Maybe.... just maybe...the next step in the TGP business model will be to run these pages like magazines.

421Fill

So, who would get to post the new ones first? Number 40 on the list would have month old content.

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Snake Doctor

Yes you did say you didn't convert shit, you were the one who said you'd get listed on the Hun and get 0 sign ups, and then you said surfers from The Hun and Worldsex etc know where all the free porn is and that's why you can't sell them a membership.

I don't know why you're bothering with this thread anyways, you don't have 2 nickels to rub together much less would you be able to pay for listings if this concept were to ever be put into place.

And for your information, I don't own a TGP, so this idea wouldn't make me any $$, it would cost me $$ to get listed if this idea took off. So GO FUCK YOURSELF with your blind greed accusations.

If you spent half as much time building and submitting sites as you do lurking on this board trying to get other webmasters to sign up under you for affiliate programs you might actually make some money in this biz.

And everyone knows you have no idea what you're talking about, so quit trying to act like you have something valuable to add to the conversation.

spacedog

again, you just scan the thread & not actually read it you twit..

It was a fucking hypothetical example..
That's typical of assholes like you.. You read what you want & completely skip over the real issue.. as far as paying for listings, I am all for it, I was only trying to make some valid points..
Uniformity with the rules & standards, & guarenteed listings.. But you're too busy being a fuckhead as usual.. You just want to make what you want of it instead of seeing it for what it actually is..

quiet

another sd pissing match!

spacedog

Not really.. just some twit who wants to take bits & peices of a post & turn it around just to be an asshole....

I state some opinions & make some points & this fucker wants to turn it around & make an issue of it.. fuck him..

Snake Doctor

Ok, Spacedog you're an idiot, and an asshole. And I'm done with you. I could go back earlier in this thread, and on other threads where you've posted how bad TGP traffic is, how you're not making any money, you couldn't afford paid hosting or even the bill for you to connect to the internet from home, but I don't have the time or the desire. So you can sit there and say you never said such and such and that I'm full of shit, but we both know the truth.

And FYI, those aren't my sites, they're JR's sites, I was being a nice guy and putting his proggie in my tag line.

And JR, in case you're reading, I promise I'll send you an extra 10 hits a day to make up for the ones you'll lose when spacemutt pulls his links.

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spacedog

Hey Twat.. what do other threads have to do with what I said in this thread.. see, you just fucking prove to me you make what you want out of my post here.. you didnt even fucking read it , did you dumbass.. Did I say anywhere in this thread anything at all about not making any $$ .. No, I did not.. I made a hypothetical scenario, & said. "I can submit to.. blah..blah.. "
Nowhere did I say "I did submit to blah..blah" Get your fucking facts straight pal...

I was merely pointing out the fact that a fucking paid listing does not guarantee any fucking sales.. & stressing that when 250k hits can have the possibility of netting 0 sales after a paid listing, there are many smaller tgps that have potential of netting 1-2 sales per 1000 hits... Of course people are getting sales from big traffic tgps, but look at how much traffic it requires to even get the sales..

I do 1:100 or better with smaller tgps, but that same gallery & sponsors, when submitted to bigger tgps, the ratio fucking drops drastically...

Besides, I really dont fucking care one way or the other..

FATPad

So why even make the statement "I can submit to blah blah blah" if it has no basis in anything? I can submit to The Hun and get 20 sales or I can submit to The Hun and get zero. So what?

If you can't convert the traffic from sites that would be requiring a payment just to submit, don't pay and don't submit. Just because you can't make money off it, doesn't someone else can't.

Rod

You are absolutly right

CRAB

SpaceDog is an asshole - he has no brain whatsoever
Can someone finaly ban him ?

hatebreed

I'd hate the idea. Leave people the freedom to post FOR FREE. If people scam you with cheating galleries just ban them. Heck, Hun gets what like 4000 submissions a day and he can handle it. So why can't most people with their 500 submissions?

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kangaroo

It's a Bullshit !!

digi

what are you all smoking?

we already pay for the content and the bandwith! why should we pay a fee ALSO?

The TGP's wouldnt be what they are without gallery submitters. I'd like to see the big TGP's update every single day with 50 - 100 fresh galleries if nobody submitted to them. With all the scripts out there that lets you ban code, domains, IP's, e-mail addy's etc it shouldnt be that big of an issue to handle alot of submissions.

Ban the freehosts instead, Im guessing 90% of the cheaters use a free host.

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C2H5OH

about great amount of poor quality galleries - to be true I love them, with them my good clean galleries looks superb LOL

so guys - please, continue posting shit


btw. - could be so kind and write a little smaller posts? I'd really like to read them all but it is very time consuming now



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Pathfinder

"I do 1:100 or better with smaller tgps, but that same gallery & sponsors, when submitted to bigger tgps, the ratio fucking drops drastically..."

The above is a quote from Spacedog.

Using an auto submitter, smaller TGP's can provide 5,000-30,000 (or even more) hits per day and Spacedog converts "1:100 or better" so Spacedog may be getting 50-300 signup's per day.

Way to go Spacedog. Congrats.

amadman

Im not a tgp'er but this just sounds like anouther rule used to thin out the submits and cheaters.

This has been happing on tgp's forever and it may never stop.

Just from reading this post I see that there are plenty of people who are willing to do it. Good or bad.... who am I to say.

My only thought is what happens when everyone accepts it and starts paying?

Then there would be a need for yet another rule to thin them out again.

It really seems like an endless cycle to me.

But who the fuck am I anyway

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I have to say that like 75% of the galleries are on freehosts and sponsor/stolen content. Really.
That would immediately eliminate those, maybe.
It would also eliminate people with no CC's (Aka. juveniles)
I know a lot of people who started when they were 15-16 (I was), if it wasn't for free content those wouldn't survive.

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Sjayne

So ban freehosts. A number of the big guys have done that already.

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mika

Don't even wanna read this crap.

So are you basically debating whether people should pay TGP's so that they can give them FREE CONTENT.

I had to pay someone in order to give him free content.
LMAO

Hahaha a funny thread

FATPad

Nope. You don't have to until Congress passes a law saying you have to pay this fee and submit to these TGP's. It's actually a voluntary choice to pay the TGP's to submit to them.

Wiredoctor

Well this is another Stupid Topic... Yeah right, Pay tgp's to list your galleries..hahahhahahha

First of all you can already do that with most of the so called bigger tgp's. But who would want to ??? their traffic may be ok and can be converted, but so is any traffic..anyone with even 1/2 a brain would laugh at any tgp who it was manditory to Pay to be listed. ....Get real

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mika

okay go ahead.
Just more money to those that dont pay shit.

All big TGP's want to have a UNIQUE look. Do you think they can maintain it by getting submissions only from the same people LOL

FATPad

Who said I was gonna pay it? I don't submit now and it's free. ;)

Rod

If 900 gallery makers are in, and TGPs only list 100-150 galleries per day, then they wont always have the same content...

But the real gallery makers with talent will have the opportunity to get listed on TGPs...without giving their placements to cheaters or other similar people...

mika

Real gallery makers who are talented will get listed anyway. Free or pay.

Actually, shitty webmasters would get listed more easily when they have paid a "submission" fee. Actually I like the idea now ;))