If TGPs would ask $$ to webmaster to submit...
 

If TGPs webmasters would only accept submissions from partners gallery makers who paid a fee (about 30$ monthly), to filter the underage cheater mofos, would you pay that fee?

Of course, I am talking about the TGP webmaster with huge traffic, like thehun, al4a, ampland, easypic, JJJ etc.

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Good Idea, but the fee would have to be higher than $30 due to the traffic amount and also $30 is not a "deterrent" to cheaters/flybynighters. I'd say a lot of the quality gallery makers who make $ from gallery making can easily pony up $1000 a month to be on a preferred and guaranteed list. Of course, cheat by changing the pages/inserting popups, your $1K is forfeited and you go to the ban list.

I like the idea, more cash for the tgp owners -- assured traffic to the gallery makers. Everyone wins since tgp owners should, at the insistence of the paid submitters, put some of the money to getting quality traffic and increasing traffic.

Just my :2 cents:

As a follow up to this idea. Maybe the top 30 tgps [in terms of traffic] should band together to form a publishing network that charges submitters 1 monthly fee for rights to submit to the network of 30 tgp sites. The fee [let's say 1000] is then split up among the members. There are open issues of course.... listing inventory, rotation, synchronizing inventory differences between member sites.

That leaves no place for the newbies to start off at.

you must be on crack..

That would be great.... sure a great idea... people will submit anyways... and there will be less free porn

As for the newbies, fuck them up the ass :1orglaugh

No, not really. Newbies can practice with the 3 million [j/k] existing smaller tgps and when they're ready they can step up to the big time tgp network. This gives ample "training" time.

Maybe the top tgps should retain a media agent for placement slots and specialty deals with paysites.

Top tgps gain the following by going on a PAY TO SUBMIT system:

1) higher quality galleries
2) guaranteed income
3) less maintenance work
4) less cheating


I have to admit, just like TGP2 there are migration issues with this--people may wait cuz they think they gain a competitive advantage by not going to a PAY TO SUBMIT system. One advantage is a greater diversity of galleries to submit from.
But this can also be a headache since who has the time to comb through THOUSANDS of daily submissions?

A lot of the quality TGPs out there already have a "preferred" list of submitters, why not go the extra step and charge them?

Thats the best part of it :Graucho
btw, Good idea :thumbsup - but 1000$ is too high. 100$/Month would do the job

Lets mail the petition to Hun!
:thumbsup

One major flaw in all this..

The BIG tgps send lots of traffic, but it is low quality traffic... their surfers know where the free porn is & rarely buy, that's my opinion.. I never had any success with the bigger tgps, only the smaller ones..

I can submit to the hun & get 250K uniques & net 0 sales, but at the same time, I can submit to any smaller tgp & get 1000 uniques & net 1 or 2 sales?

Space, my contractors submit only to 30-40 tgps a day to generate quite a bit of sign ups. Its all about how you market and where you market.

I hate the pay for a month at a time thing myself. I'd rather pay per gallery listing and get a good spot now and then to be honest. Screw the $1000 fees... think it's hard to make money off some traffic from big TGPs now, institute that plan and see how much worse it gets...

spacedog, you "can" do a lot, but think how much time it will take you to submit to those smaller tgps versus being a preferred member of the hun... You just need to have fresh sponsors and content at hand when dealing with the hun...
if you cant make a sale with 250 000, what kind of a webmaster are you??? :winkwink:

the hun already has this ;)))
remember, his top listings are paid listings ;)))

We DO pay them - with recip power :p

besides with paid submissions - they won't be able to gouge people for paid "spots"

LOL Sykk ;)

Anyone need processing for this? I won't do 1k a month in charges but I'd be more than willing to discuss how it could be worked out with any interested parties.

The traffic just dont convert.. The surfers who regularly visit the bigger tgp's just stay with surfing the free porn paradise..

Look at it this way.. You have the hun, worldsex, etc..

1000,s & 1000's of free galleries.. why on earth would they purchase a membership when they have all this free porn???

great! let's start charging Sleazydream!

Worldsex converts... I never get listed on the hun anymore so it don't convert for me :D

Oh, & don't forget that this also opens a new area of fraud.. think of how many tgp owners might rip people off.. what if, what if...


Also, it leaves tgp owners obligated to review submissions 24/7

Damn, if I am paying for a listing, I want it up right now.. not next week when you get back from honolulu?

Using the same logic, why would people sign up for HBO and showtime when they can watch regular tv--the answer is CONTENT. Good content and good marketing will always tease out the folks who want to pay premium. Not everyone wants "free stuff" -- people pay for interactivity, for full series, etc.

Sounds like a great idea...

Or how about a submitters club -- pay your dues -- verify your identity, etc... instead of a TGP sending an email to the poster saying "your gallery sucks" -- this info should go into the submitters club database... along w/ other stats... like what programs this poster pushes -- what exclusive content he has, a profile, etc... it could be really cool.

This keeps everyone honest...

www.submittersclub.com --

...register this domain and send me some traffic if you do this idea ;)

yeah, I can't wait for those newbie fucks with the 300 hit a day TGP's deciding they want to charge webmasters $50 to get listings and get those screaming 16 hits a day...

actually, Kult of BOL may have something interesting brewing on this front :) spam to follow ;))))

Can we get Thumbsmaster's opinion on this?.

regards

shemp

If I pay for a listing, I expect the fucker to get posted, regardless of opinion of the tgp, as long as it follows the tgps rules. I'm willing to bet most rejections of decent and better galleries are due to the fact the gallery maker would be taking sales from the tgp... with a paid listing, that shit has to go out the window.

You can scream and call me names saying it ain't so, but you fucking well know that's how it works right now, in some cases.

How simple could it be?

You have a contract, both sides comply, end of discussion. You know, the way that normal everyday business people conduct themselves.

Space, many if not all of the big TGP folks, got big because they do not burn people. In this business, like everywhere else, reputation is 99% of the game.

The pay for submit idea is only for the big TGPs. I am willing to pay up to $2500 a month, to be guaranteed a daily rotating spot in a network of 30-40 top tgps. I don't think I am alone.

I pay a few TGP's for daily listings. I think it's a great idea to weed out the morons who post 24 pics with a banner on top and one on the bottom.

Also, to everyone screaming that TGP traffic sucks.... learn how to build a gallery and you might make a sale or two.

I also think we should go with Shemp's idea and get ThumbMasters thoughts on this subject.:1orglaugh

I agree with dark soft.. If we are to pay for a submission, then we should have an absolute guarantee that it will be posted regardless of qaulity or how far up his ass the corn cob is & what he thinks about the content , or sponsor, or who it's hosted with, etc, etc.. Shit.. $1000 a month.. Fuck, for that price, better post every single gallery I submit, & right away.. Like within an hour.. not tommorow, not next week. Now.. as long as it fits the rules..


$1000 per month x 100,000 webmasters x 12 months??? Bling Bling..
Some of you people are getting greedy..

And I thought all hope was lost for French Canadians :P

Nice post Steve.

Space, only 1 post per day. Galleries must still abide by the rules. No autobookmark. No homepage changers. No ref ID # changer scripts. etc etc. The whole point is to guarantee quality by limiting cheaters. If you abide by the rules and pay the fee, you get listed with top spot rotation as agreed upon by members of the network.

$1000 is absurd in my opinion. Many places allow you pay $1000
a month and that gurantees your link #1 in the category you want the entire month. JJJ has that. You can buy top gallery tops at thumbzilla for $800.

But 1000 just to be listed in any location is crazy.

You could charge $100 for submitters to post & everyone who pays get listed first.

And what happens when you don't submit a gallery every single day?

1 gallery a day for $1000 a month?? That's absurd..

I like this idea...
What about, the club asks 100$/month to be a member...and the club review every galleries by a paid reviewer.

Then, 90% of the money made would go to TGP webmasters, and the 10% would go to the club owner company (to pay for the work made).

The amount of cash each TGP webmaster will get depends of the amount of hits they send to galelries...so I think the gallery maker would have to put a little javascript in his gallery to calculate the hits that the TGPs sent him...

Of course, before doiing anything, we should make sure some big TGPs guys would go in for that kind of club...

What about that?
Like this idea?

"to filter the underage cheater mofos, would you pay that fee"

... a cheater could afford that fee too, well the fee is a smart idea, but it will not prevent of cheaters ....

1 guaranteed spot on thehun cost 600$US...and thats for only 1 gallery spot...for 1 day...

Depends on what the traffic numbers are, and where it would be coming from.

How many negative comments can you post in one thread? Are you going for a record?

Just from you posting that you get skunked on a Hun listing, I know enough to ignore your thoughts on the subject of TGP.

It would not prevent every cheaters, but some of them...

Some cheaters would not pay 100$/month for beeing listed on TGPs...they wil try to scam the smalle ones instead...

Same goes for the underage newbies...they will never pay 100$/month to get listed...since they will not be able to afford that with 0 signups made on smutserver freehost :thumbsup

That is just my opinion tought

No, I'm just saying I think this idea is faulty & wont work..

way too many variables to consider..

what will happen to your idea if people just not join & not submit.. ? Let's not forget one thing.. Without webmaster submissions, tgp are nothing.. Now some people want to make it so that webmasters have to pay the tgp owner for a listing.. sounds like certain tgp owners arent making any $$ & want to come up with a half assed scheme to get rich off of webmasters,,

I'm lucky if a single gallery makes $1000 a month... seems that some of you are trying to make it so only the real big webmasters can submit to the hun, worldsex, etc.. TGP is what fucked this business up in the first place & now people want to continue to fuck it up & make it that much more difficult for anyone..

Instead of charging the webmasters, charge the goddamned surfers.. at least this qualifies the surfer & improves the conversion ratio.. & for $1000 per month, I'd want a guaranteed listing on ALL tgps in the list.. No fucking bullshit coming back telling me that. "I seen those pics b4, sorry", or I dont list ARS cuz my surfers dont like the inconveniences that come with getting free porn" or You have too much text, or, "I dont like the banner, cuz it looks like a thumbnail & my freeloading surfer might actually click on it instead of clicking the back button to stay on my site all night wacking off...

my point is that if people are paying, then it HAS to be a GUARANTEED LISTING!!

Really?

Not when your making $3,000. I know of a couple people being very profitable from paid listings on the major TGP's.

No, it does not. If you pay for a listing on the Hun, you STILL have to follow his regular guidelines. You don't get to pop consoles, use active x, and banned sponsors just because you anty up some coin. You paid for spots, but you still need to make a normal page in order to fill the spot.

Stop trying to sound like an authority.

spacedog, you will never change TGP. It is here, get over it. But, it sounds like you will love AVS and SE. And maybe even TGP2. Stick with them, and lower your blood pressure.

this already exists for several large tgps:
Thehun
Worldsex
Absolut Series
Video Post
Sublime
JJJ
Sleazydream


info can be found at http://www.cybercatinc.com

Why don't they list their prices? I hate that shit...

Dude, you just can't sell. Period.

I had a little gallery up on worldsex yesterday...did 2500 click throughs on 70K hits and made 6 sales. Nothing wrong with that traffic. Traffic is traffic. If they see something they like, they'll buy it. If you can't convince them that they like what they see, maybe you should reconsider your tactics.

lol

Instead of being a fuckwad & twisting my words around, wake the fuck up..

Oh... so we'd end up paying to get the same bullshit as usual & nothing changes at all.. thanks for making my point a little more clearer..


Tell me this.. what changes? NOTHING!!

Yeah hah! We need an "expert" view of things. :winkwink: