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Old 11-03-2005, 09:34 PM   #1
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Again people will die in Ethiopia

For anyone that was a child of the 80s I'm sure that images of starving children and the first Live Aid still float around in your head.

Wars suck!!! They suck big time!!!
There might be Victory and Honour for the rich but for the poor it is only suffering and death.

It looks like suffering is ready to return to Ethiopia.

Read the story here:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/?fee...a-violence.xml

Not only during times of war are there human rights violations but leading up to the conflict there are numerious ones as well.

Amnesty international is one of the few organizations that works to protect human rights in the world.

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Old 11-03-2005, 09:38 PM   #2
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I hope you don't take this the wrong way cause I do care about people and kids all over the world that don't have what they need to help them live. But what about the people and kids in the US that are starving or don't have a roof over their heads. Shouldn't we first help those close to home first?
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I hope you don't take this the wrong way cause I do care about people and kids all over the world that don't have what they need to help them live. But what about the people and kids in the US that are starving or don't have a roof over their heads. Shouldn't we first help those close to home first?
The United States is a very rich nation that spends more on it's military than on education and social services combined.

At the height of the cold war it was estimated that if the United States stopped its spending on its nuclear weapons program for 6 months. The resources could have been used to erradicate world hunger in that time period.

Sorry to be cold and come across as bitch. And let me go on record as saying that the good old USA is a beautiful country with some wonderful people. (Spend some time in Mobile Alabama and you will know what I mean.)

But to be blunt, if rich countries like America want to every child in their nation to have a meal and roof over their heads... Then they should get their priorities straight.

It's the ones that the general public has to use grass to wipe their asses that I worry about.
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I'll admit you make some excellent points in your reply babe. I spend lots of time and money supporting local things that help kids that live here in Ringgold. We have toy drives each year for kids that won't be having christmas and the toys for tots that the marines have. I'll even admit that I send some cash to the over seas efforts. Like I said there is nothing wrong with helping those that are in other countries..
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Donations won't help them so much, but it's worthwhile still. Economics will save them though if their Governments were not so incompetent. Wages there are even less than those India, if they got their arse into gear they could cash in. Hell, even China is starting to outsource to Africa.
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Giving money, food or aid is not the solution. It never has worked and never will. And the reason is simple, though very harsh.

Starvation anf famine is natures way of saying, "You have too many people living off the land you have."

Now whether you can teach them to use the land better or to stop killing each other is another mute point.

I lived through the 50 and 60 when most of africa was rebelling to get rid of the evil white colonialists. So how much better have the black rulers been for the people of their countries?

The Europeans were there to make a profit, the profits mostly came from agriculture, now these same countries (run by corrupt rulers who are rich anf fat0 are bankrupt, unable to feed themselves and asking the "White" nations of the world for handout. When was the last time a Muslim oraginised a Live Aid type event?

Look at Zimbabwe, under Smith it exported food, under Mugabe people die of starvation.

And I will not even touch on the genocide of black against black.

Their excuse is it's all the Whites fault. So why is India growing at such a rate and Africa is falling behind? Same situation different leaders and people.

Save a child today and in 20 years time the problem is twice as bad.

Save a million and in 20 years 3 million are starving.

Solution is put the Europeans back in charge. Nothing else will work for 99% of the black people in Africa. Unless they learn from South Africa.
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Giving money, food or aid is not the solution. It never has worked and never will. And the reason is simple, though very harsh.

Starvation anf famine is natures way of saying, "You have too many people living off the land you have."

Now whether you can teach them to use the land better or to stop killing each other is another mute point.

I lived through the 50 and 60 when most of africa was rebelling to get rid of the evil white colonialists. So how much better have the black rulers been for the people of their countries?

The Europeans were there to make a profit, the profits mostly came from agriculture, now these same countries (run by corrupt rulers who are rich anf fat0 are bankrupt, unable to feed themselves and asking the "White" nations of the world for handout. When was the last time a Muslim oraginised a Live Aid type event?

Look at Zimbabwe, under Smith it exported food, under Mugabe people die of starvation.

And I will not even touch on the genocide of black against black.

Their excuse is it's all the Whites fault. So why is India growing at such a rate and Africa is falling behind? Same situation different leaders and people.

Save a child today and in 20 years time the problem is twice as bad.

Save a million and in 20 years 3 million are starving.

Solution is put the Europeans back in charge. Nothing else will work for 99% of the black people in Africa. Unless they learn from South Africa.
the words of an uninformed idiot, I guess you also agree with the US in IRAQ.. wow its amazing because I have heard your name before around Tampa as if you were a smart guy

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Again people don't bother to read before they put their foot in their mouth.
I'm responded to 1 post but I'm basically promoting Amnesty International in this thread.

Nothing to do with giving food or economic aid...

They are about protecting human rights in the world!!!!

And if you don't like what I write in the threads I start. No one is holding a gun to your head and making you read them.
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The United States is a very rich nation that spends more on it's military than on education and social services combined.

At the height of the cold war it was estimated that if the United States stopped its spending on its nuclear weapons program for 6 months. The resources could have been used to erradicate world hunger in that time period.

Sorry to be cold and come across as bitch. And let me go on record as saying that the good old USA is a beautiful country with some wonderful people. (Spend some time in Mobile Alabama and you will know what I mean.)

But to be blunt, if rich countries like America want to every child in their nation to have a meal and roof over their heads... Then they should get their priorities straight.

It's the ones that the general public has to use grass to wipe their asses that I worry about.
Spending billions of dollars buying them food isn't the problem. The problem is getting it there before it's taken by the war lords running the country.

Until the US - or someone - is willing to send troops in nothing is gonna happen.
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the words of an uninformed idiot, I guess you also agree with the US in IRAQ.. wow its amazing because I have heard your name before around Tampa as if you were a smart guy

Iraq ran itself better than the US will, India runs itself better than than the British did, America runs itself pretty well, South africa is doing well.

So I'm unimformed. So tell me which countries in Africa are doing better under black rulers than white. Each place is different.

The reasons for invading Iraq were wrong and IMO evil. They will learn soon what a mistake they made.

And I'm not talking about invading Africa, I'm talking about getting rid of the corrupt, tribal/religious rulers who are running their countries and people into the ground while they grow fat and wealthy.

Idi Amin when thrown out of Uganda for genocide went to live like a king in Lybia while his country wes bankrupt.

Point out the faults in my argumnet. Show me where the black leaders have improved life for their people more than he improved it for themselves. Show me where I'm wrong.
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Giving money, food or aid is not the solution. It never has worked and never will. And the reason is simple, though very harsh.

Starvation anf famine is natures way of saying, "You have too many people living off the land you have."

Now whether you can teach them to use the land better or to stop killing each other is another mute point.

I lived through the 50 and 60 when most of africa was rebelling to get rid of the evil white colonialists. So how much better have the black rulers been for the people of their countries?

The Europeans were there to make a profit, the profits mostly came from agriculture, now these same countries (run by corrupt rulers who are rich anf fat0 are bankrupt, unable to feed themselves and asking the "White" nations of the world for handout. When was the last time a Muslim oraginised a Live Aid type event?

Look at Zimbabwe, under Smith it exported food, under Mugabe people die of starvation.

And I will not even touch on the genocide of black against black.

Their excuse is it's all the Whites fault. So why is India growing at such a rate and Africa is falling behind? Same situation different leaders and people.

Save a child today and in 20 years time the problem is twice as bad.

Save a million and in 20 years 3 million are starving.

Solution is put the Europeans back in charge. Nothing else will work for 99% of the black people in Africa. Unless they learn from South Africa.
Well I don't think you'll ever see white people back in charge there. But your point on India is very correct. African Governments are incompetent, and really couldn't give a fuck about their country (they still remaing rich). My opinion is honestly that the west should overthrow some of these Governments. Take Mugabe for example, the West should of stepped in long before this happened. One Australia Special Forces squad could overthrow that Government. Instead, now the country will be fucked for the next 100 years.
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Again people don't bother to read before they put their foot in their mouth.
I'm responded to 1 post but I'm basically promoting Amnesty International in this thread.

Nothing to do with giving food or economic aid...

They are about protecting human rights in the world!!!!

And if you don't like what I write in the threads I start. No one is holding a gun to your head and making you read them.
Maybe if more Ethiopians would put their foot in their mouth they would not be so hungry
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Spending billions of dollars buying them food isn't the problem. The problem is getting it there before it's taken by the war lords running the country.

Until the US - or someone - is willing to send troops in nothing is gonna happen.
Sending troops is not the solution. The African people have to realise that there is a better way. Until that happens nothing will work.

Sending troops to Iraq was one of the biggest mistakes of the 21st Century and it's only started. It will still be seen the same in 2050 and beyond.
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Iraq ran itself better than the US will, India runs itself better than than the British did, America runs itself pretty well, South africa is doing well.

So I'm unimformed. So tell me which countries in Africa are doing better under black rulers than white. Each place is different.

The reasons for invading Iraq were wrong and IMO evil. They will learn soon what a mistake they made.

And I'm not talking about invading Africa, I'm talking about getting rid of the corrupt, tribal/religious rulers who are running their countries and people into the ground while they grow fat and wealthy.

Idi Amin when thrown out of Uganda for genocide went to live like a king in Lybia while his country wes bankrupt.

Point out the faults in my argumnet. Show me where the black leaders have improved life for their people more than he improved it for themselves. Show me where I'm wrong.
politics maybe...........
poverty possibly........
trade possibilities.....likely

but because they are black

I refuse to argue with an idiot

see your previous post, any man who thinks race has something to do with how well a country is doing is

.................a fucking idiot and you sir fit the bill

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So I'm unimformed. So tell me which countries in Africa are doing better under black rulers than white. Each place is different.
Well south africa is doing very well now. Economically you just have to look at their wine industry as an example.
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The reasons for invading Iraq were wrong and IMO evil. They will learn soon what a mistake they made.

And I'm not talking about invading Africa, I'm talking about getting rid of the corrupt, tribal/religious rulers who are running their countries and people into the ground while they grow fat and wealthy.

Idi Amin when thrown out of Uganda for genocide went to live like a king in Lybia while his country wes bankrupt.
Welcome to my world!!!
I don't care a blooming-flying-fuck about goverments, religious leaders, conservatism-liberalism, communists, democrats or any of that bullshit.

The only things I honestly care about are this.

1) The right to live your life in safety and be left alone in peace without criminal, rebel or goverment interference.

2) Have a good meal in your stomache.

3) Have a roof over you head.

4) Adequate medical and medicine available to everyone reglardless of social economic class.

5) Dignity and respect for all humanbeings.

These are the rights that should be guaranteed by international law.
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Again people don't bother to read before they put their foot in their mouth.
I'm responded to 1 post but I'm basically promoting Amnesty International in this thread.
Listen you arrogant little twat -

Your post was read and I know exactly who and what you are promoting. Your assumption that poor was used as economic adjective rather than as it was intended is not my problem. My post had nothing to do with giving food or economic aid either...

Poor people = people deserving of pity.
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Well I don't think you'll ever see white people back in charge there. But your point on India is very correct. African Governments are incompetent, and really couldn't give a fuck about their country (they still remaing rich). My opinion is honestly that the west should overthrow some of these Governments. Take Mugabe for example, the West should of stepped in long before this happened. One Australia Special Forces squad could overthrow that Government. Instead, now the country will be fucked for the next 100 years.
Overthrow Mugabe, a corrupt leader guilt of genocide, are you kidding?

The United Nations invites him to speak at events so he can tell everyone how corrupt Blair and Bush are. Kettle calling the pot black.

And who takes over when he's gone. Another one from the same mould?

The reality is the Whites will never go back and Africa will largely never recover. My solution is a dream.
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Listen you arrogant little twat -

Your post was read and I know exactly who and what you are promoting. Your assumption that poor was used as economic adjective rather than as it was intended is not my problem. My post had nothing to do with giving food or economic aid either...

Poor people = people deserving of pity.
Honey,

I just wanted to say I love the ignore function on GFY. If you don't like me, or what I write... please feel free to use it.

I know I certainly will.

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Overthrow Mugabe, a corrupt leader guilt of genocide, are you kidding?

The United Nations invites him to speak at events so he can tell everyone how corrupt Blair and Bush are. Kettle calling the pot black.

And who takes over when he's gone. Another one from the same mould?

The reality is the Whites will never go back and Africa will largely never recover. My solution is a dream.
this guy is a major idiot

you better thank god for porn buddy else I suspect you would be very hungry right now

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you better thank god for porn buddy else I suspect you would be very hungry right now

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Wow, great point you made there!


Oh hang on, you didn't make any points, you're just a retard mouthing off.
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Wow, great point you made there!


Oh hang on, you didn't make any points, you're just a retard mouthing off.
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"Fuck-Tard... you need to get a job."
"Anti-American piece of crap... you should be murdered by an elephant."

etc etc etc.

I hope that people like this aren't in control of the UN or in Goverment.

But on that note... Does George W. Bush have a pseudo on here? Because it sure as hell would explain alot.

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politics maybe...........
poverty possibly........
trade possibilities.....likely

but because they are black

I refuse to argue with an idiot

see your previous post, any man who thinks race has something to do with how well a country is doing is

.................a fucking idiot and you sir fit the bill

k bye now
How do you justify this to be about race?

South Africa is run by blacks and doing well. India is run by Indians and doing well, china and S. Korea is run by Orientals and doing well.

The problem has little to nothing to do with race, it's about culture. You are pulling the race card in a desperate effort to avoid replying to my statements.
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Why do so many threads on GFY end up becoming insult wars?

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"Fuck-Tard... you need to get a job."
"Anti-American piece of crap... you should be murdered by an elephant."

etc etc etc.

I hope that people like this aren't in control of the UN or in Goverment.

But on that note... Does George W. Bush have a pseudo on here? Because it sure as hell would explain alot.

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here is a guy that said the hardships of a country is due to white people not being in charge.......


and you ask why............

scroll up..if I see an idiot I call em on it

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I don't care a blooming-flying-fuck about goverments, religious leaders, conservatism-liberalism, communists, democrats or any of that bullshit.

The only things I honestly care about are this.

1) The right to live your life in safety and be left alone in peace without criminal, rebel or goverment interference.

2) Have a good meal in your stomache.

3) Have a roof over you head.

4) Adequate medical and medicine available to everyone reglardless of social economic class.

5) Dignity and respect for all humanbeings.

These are the rights that should be guaranteed by international law.
Try telling that to the majority of the leaders in Africa, must not use the color word.

The sad truth is the wealth the few aquired is nothing to the wealth they would of had if they had run their country properly. Look at the countries that went down the similar path and the wealth of the leaders.

Yugoslavia, a rich country until it broke up and started ethnic cleansnig. forget the leaders name but he could of been a very wealthy man today instead of in prison.

Same for Saddam, Mugabe, and countless other leaders who think wrongly. Can you imagine what Saddam could be worth today if he had not been busy killing people?

And he's not black, but still a fuck up.
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Old 11-04-2005, 12:03 AM   #32
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this guy is a major idiot

you better thank god for porn buddy else I suspect you would be very hungry right now

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Stop laughing your arse off because it's probably the best part of you.

I'm an idiot? So it should be easy to point out the faults in my argument, unless you're more stupid than me.
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Old 11-04-2005, 12:04 AM   #33
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Wow, great point you made there!


Oh hang on, you didn't make any points, you're just a retard mouthing off.
He hasn't got a point, he just laughed off the only thinking part of his body.
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Old 11-04-2005, 12:07 AM   #34
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and now you put a spin on it.................
you made it about race

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How do you justify this to be about race?

South Africa is run by blacks and doing well. India is run by Indians and doing well, china and S. Korea is run by Orientals and doing well.

The problem has little to nothing to do with race, it's about culture. You are pulling the race card in a desperate effort to avoid replying to my statements.

are theese your post yes or no?

howabout you read them a few times so you can understand exactly what you said


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Starvation anf famine is natures way of saying, "You have too many people living off the land you have."

Now whether you can teach them to use the land better or to stop killing each other is another mute point.

I lived through the 50 and 60 when most of africa was rebelling to get rid of the evil white colonialists. So how much better have the black rulers been for the people of their countries?

The Europeans were there to make a profit, the profits mostly came from agriculture, now these same countries (run by corrupt rulers who are rich anf fat0 are bankrupt, unable to feed themselves and asking the "White" nations of the world for handout. When was the last time a Muslim oraginised a Live Aid type event?

And I will not even touch on the genocide of black against black.

Their excuse is it's all the Whites fault. So why is India growing at such a rate and Africa is falling behind? Same situation different leaders and people.

Solution is put the Europeans back in charge. Nothing else will work for 99% of the black people in Africa. Unless they learn from South Africa.
Paul you are an idiot thanks for showing your true colors loser

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The reality is the Whites will never go back and Africa will largely never recover. My solution is a dream.
orlly????

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So I'm unimformed. So tell me which countries in Africa are doing better under black rulers than white.

Point out the faults in my argumnet. Show me where the black leaders have improved life for their people more than he improved it for themselves. Show me where I'm wrong.
your own words racist piece of shit

I advise you stop this conversation now before I get pissed and end up with a personal grudge against you
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here is a guy that said the hardships of a country is due to white people not being in charge.......


and you ask why............
I told you why, it's their culture. you can't change the way people think, their values, culture and beliefs in a few years. It takes decades.

The people of Yugoslavia, Iraq, Iran, Zimbabwe and many other places in the world can see what they are doing. They are not stupid or blind. Their leaders can see what is happening in the real world, they have an idea of what is happening. Yet they choose to go another route.

Look at the fear generated by Bush and the way the US followed him into a war and some remain to follow him even though it's now clear the reasons were false. The US is mostly an intelligent country.

Now look at these other countries. The truth is that one side would rather kill the other side in a war that started 500 to 3500 years ago, rather than bury the hatchet and make life better for themselves.

That is I'm afraid the sad truth.
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So the leaders are not black. They are still fucked up.

I argue they are the way they are because of their culture, be they black, white or grey. Plus I have pointed out quite clearly the problem is nothing to do with the colour of their skin. It's about their culture and the way they think.

You pull up the race card, because they happen to be black and I point out the Europeans mostly ran the countries better. Point out the faults in my arguments and stop hiding behind the race card.

Unless you thin it forgives them for their mistakes. Stop looking down on them and start asking them the same questions we would ask ourselves.
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You lost the race card and have nothing else to contribute.
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So the leaders are not black. They are still fucked up.

I argue they are the way they are because of their culture, be they black, white or grey. Plus I have pointed out quite clearly the problem is nothing to do with the colour of their skin. It's about their culture and the way they think.

You pull up the race card, because they happen to be black and I point out the Europeans mostly ran the countries better. Point out the faults in my arguments and stop hiding behind the race card.

Unless you thin it forgives them for their mistakes. Stop looking down on them and start asking them the same questions we would ask ourselves.
Buddy,
Just when we were getting along.

I admit that sometimes I have to raise my eyebrow at someone's "Culture." And I admit there is room for improvement in every single culture and method of thinking.

But I don't think anyone is better than the next. I think these people need to be taught economics and resource management. In some cases how to get along. However, everyone has the right to worship, dress, love, etc as they wish.

And I completely agree with you. We as people of Rich Nations need to ask the questions that deal with how are we going to bring these people up to our level.
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